LONDON, Nov. 19, 2008

Al Qaeda: Don't Be Fooled By Obama

Bin Laden Deputy Warns Muslims In New Audio Tape That U.S. Is "Still Full Of Hate ... Drowning In Greed"

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    This image taken from a jihadi Web forum shows a graphic which appeared over a new audio message from al Qaeda deputy leader Ayman Zawahri on Nov. 19, 2008. The three-picture collage includes: at left, President-elect Barack Obama at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem; at center, a file image of Zawahri, and at right a black and white photo of Malcom X.  (CBS)

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(CBS)  This story was written by CBS News' Internet terrorism monitoring team in London.
Al Qaeda has released its first detailed response to the election of Barack Obama. In an audio tape posted on jihadi Web forums Wednesday, Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman Zawahri, admonishes Muslims to keep up the fight against America, a country which he claims "is still full of hate."

The terror group's media wing, as-Sahab, released the 11-minute audio featuring a statement by Zawahri titled, “The Departure of Bush and the Advent of Obama.”

Zawahri began his remarks by congratulating Muslims on the election of Obama, describing it as, "the American people’s admission of defeat in Iraq,” noting that the American people had voted for the candidate who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.
He then addresses president-elect directly, warning him that President Bush was leaving a legacy of “failure and crimes” in his wake.

Zawahri tells Obama that his plan to re-concentrate military efforts in Afghanistan is doomed to failure. He warns the new leader that by doing so, not only will his forces be defeated, but he himself will be met by the same fate as Mr. Bush and former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf - both of whom arguably saw their popularity wither thanks to their respective actions in the U.S.-led war on terror.

“It appears that you don’t know anything about the Muslim Ummah (nation) and its history, or the fate of the traitors who cooperated with the invaders against it, and don’t know anything about the history of Afghanistan and its free and defiant Muslim people. And if you still want to be stubborn about America’s failure in Afghanistan, then remember the fate of Bush and Pervez Musharraf, and the fate of the Soviets and British before them,” Zawahri says in the audio.

Bin Laden's deputy labels Obama another president who has chosen a stance of hostility against Islam and Muslims. He said Obama had "abandoned his Muslim faith," and set up a direct comparison between the president-elect and Malcom X, “who prided himself on his fraternity with the Muslims… You represent the direct opposite of honorable black Americans like Malik al-Shabazz, or Malcolm X, may Allah have mercy on him.”

Despite having been schooled briefly at an Islamic school while living in Indonesia as a child, Obama has never been a practicing Muslim.

Zawahri warned Obama that America's fight is not against a small group or organization, but rather an Islamic Jihadi awakening spread all over the world.

The third part of Zawahri's statement was aimed at Muslims worldwide. He advises them that Obama’s election does not change what al Qaeda has for years sold as America’s hostile stance towards Islam, and therefore Muslims still have a duty to continue “causing harm” to the U.S.

“America’s criminal, expansionist crusader project in your lands has only been neutralized by the sacrifices of your sons, the Mujahideen," Zawahri says to Muslims.

Responding to the message Wednesday, White House press secretary Dana Perino dismissed Zawahri's remarks as, "more despicable and pathetic comments by al Qaeda terrorists."

"In America, we're going to have a smooth transition from one administration to the next and that will be a period of change in our country. What won't change is our commitment as a country to fighting terrorism and I think that these comments just remind everybody of the kind of people that we're dealing with."

Zawahri goes on to address the Islamic militants around the world, with special attention paid to those in Iraq. He congratulates them on their work, and urges them to keep up the fight. He speaks to the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, warning him of "conspiracies and betrayals" that may take place during the coming period, as the U.S. begins a serious withdrawal from Iraq.

Prior to Zawahri's audio release Wednesday, a far-less-specific message from al-Baghdadi, which failed to mention Obama, had been the only post-election message from al Qaeda.

Zawahri also addressed “the world’s weak and oppressed.” He told them not to be fooled into thinking that Obama's election may bring the change they’ve been longing for. Despite the new leadership, “America’s heart is still full of hate, its mind drowning in greed, and its spirit still spreading evil, murder, repression and despotism, as always,” he said.

The al Qaeda deputy concluded with a message to the American people, saying they had two choices; to accept the “defeat and losses caused by America’s policies," or take Osama bin Laden’s offer and “withdraw from the lands of the Muslims and refrain from stealing their treasures and interfering in their affairs.”

The tape was most likely recorded during the week of Nov. 3, 2008, shortly after the result of the U.S. election was announced. Zawahri referred to a U.S. airstrike that killed 37 people in Kandahar, Afghanistan on Nov. 3, saying it took place “last Monday.”

Zawahri's speech was played over a collage of three pictures: at center, Zawahri dressed in traditional Arab white robes and turban (this image is from his third taped interview for as-Sahab); at right, a black and white picture of Malcom X; and at left, a picture of Obama at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, wearing a traditional Jewish skullcap.

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by ajmarine111 November 19, 2008 4:11 PM PST
Maybe obama should call al-Zawahiri for a sit down face to face negotiation. That oughta get to the bottom of this.


Posted by standlee5 at 04:09 PM : Nov 19, 2008



Good luck finding some moderate Taliban or Al Qaida to talk to.
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:12 PM PST
Let''s keep Guantanomo open for the Bush Crime Family. The cowardly ant-American who turned us into a fascist country. The chickens who threated to use their big bad WMDs on anyone they wanted.
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:14 PM PST
many of us have our geds

Posted by TheMasses10 at 04:13 PM : Nov 19, 2008

Good for you


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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:14 PM PST
The Government of Pigs (GOP) party, the party of death and spending has been the best thing for terrorists the world has ever known. Thank you Bushoccio. Plus they frighthened the stupid right wing Americans. Like anyone would even waste ammo on these people.
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by libsh8theusa November 19, 2008 4:15 PM PST
Better yet DJ-ill
Well then prove to us your right. Prove he is alive.

I mean if you know so much you can provide the proof right .
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by cntrymuzksux November 19, 2008 4:15 PM PST
Nope no WMD there..

Posted by libsh8theUSA at 04:03 PM : Nov 19, 2008

Snicker, snicker. Yellowcake indeed. Didn''t Scooter get convicted(and subsequently pardoned) for outing the person''s wife who uncovered this bag of lies?
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:16 PM PST
The right wingers, the ones who advocate killing Muslims, are the true terrorists. They say they support the military but yet they support terrorists in Washington. Go figure.
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:17 PM PST
Masses, it is the right winger who are anti-patriotic. Blind allegiance to fascists is NOT patriotic. You would have been against the American Revolution to support King George.
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:18 PM PST
Another ignoramous chimes in.



Posted by TheMasses10 at 04:17 PM : Nov 19, 2008

You''ve been here quite awhile, give yourself more credit

You have your GED
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:20 PM PST
Maybe obama should call al-Zawahiri for a sit down face to face negotiation. That oughta get to the bottom of this.


Posted by standlee5 at 04:09 PM : Nov 19, 2008

Oh yes, that''''s a good idea, I want to see that :)


Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:18 PM : Nov 19, 2008


Bush as sixty days left maybe he can smoke him out of his hole like he promsied 7 years ago

GOOD LUCK
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by ajmarine111 November 19, 2008 4:20 PM PST
Maybe obama should call al-Zawahiri for a sit down face to face negotiation. That oughta get to the bottom of this.


Posted by standlee5 at 04:09 PM : Nov 19, 2008

Oh yes, that''''s a good idea, I want to see that :)


Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:18 PM : Nov 19, 2008




I have my popcorn ready.
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:21 PM PST
Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:19 PM : Nov 19, 2008

What''s that green gunk dripping from your mouth
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by mccain08nc November 19, 2008 4:21 PM PST
Posted by noloyalisti

Another ignoramous chimes in.
Posted by TheMasses10

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All you can do is ignore the ignorance of people like that all they are doing is chanting the lefts talking points of Bush is a criminal even thow not one of them have any first hand knowledge of what went on.

It is disgraceful the way some on the left act towards a sitting president and then they cry foul if anyone says anything out of the way about the almighty one elect Obama.
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:22 PM PST
I have my popcorn ready.


Posted by AJMarine111 at 04:20 PM : Nov 19, 2008



I''m sure you''ll be rooting for Zawahiri can''t end this bogus war as long as he''s still alive
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by ajmarine111 November 19, 2008 4:24 PM PST
Posted by AJMarine111 at 04:20 PM : Nov 19, 2008



I''''m sure you''''ll be rooting for Zawahiri can''''t end this bogus war as long as he''''s still alive


Posted by netbs9 at 04:22 PM : Nov 19, 2008



Why would I be "rooting for Zawahiri"?

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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:25 PM PST
Why would I be "rooting for Zawahiri"?



Posted by AJMarine111 at 04:24 PM : Nov 19, 2008


I have no idea what your problem is
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by cntrymuzksux November 19, 2008 4:25 PM PST
Still waiting Ill DJ.. Where is your prood that obama.. I mean Osama is still alive.. You can''''t prove it.. like your god Obama said.. "NOTHING BUT WORDS!"


Posted by libsh8theUSA at 04:18 PM : Nov 19, 2008

Niether can the CIA confirm he''s alive or dead. Every time he releases a video, they can only scour it for clues and speculate he''s (still) alive.
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:27 PM PST
Beats heck out of supporting the bastwards that killed 3,000 of our people...like your Obslime-a does..

Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:19 PM : Nov 19, 2008




Did you happen to READ the topic of this webpage, you moron?
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by mccain08nc November 19, 2008 4:27 PM PST
This country is RIGHT to pursue bin Laden into Afghanistan. If the Afghanis want us to leave, then either hand over bin Laden or take us to his remains. Until then, I support this war; and conservatives are idiots.
Posted by tj217

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See that is the way the left thinks right now the Afgan war is cheap to fight in comparison to Iraq so you support it just as many did the iraq war when it first started.

But give it time once we move our resources there from Iraq and it starts costing billions a month and it starts taking money from the lefts welfare programs we will here the anti afgan war chant just like we do about Iraq.

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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:27 PM PST
"I will stand with my Muslim friends....should the political winds in the US change...."


Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:26 PM : Nov 19, 2008

You also said polls don''t matter

McCain was going to win

among many other things you said that didn''t come true
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by ajmarine111 November 19, 2008 4:27 PM PST
Why would I be "rooting for Zawahiri"?



Posted by AJMarine111 at 04:24 PM : Nov 19, 2008


I have no idea what your problem is


Posted by netbs9 at 04:25 PM : Nov 19, 2008




Thanks for clearing that up.
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:28 PM PST
"I will stand with my Muslim friends....should the political winds in the US change...."

Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:26 PM : Nov 19, 2008




Post the preceding two paragraphs, so that we may see the quote in context.
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:28 PM PST
Thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by AJMarine111 at 04:27 PM : Nov 19, 2008

You''re welcome
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by cntrymuzksux November 19, 2008 4:30 PM PST
I will stand with my Muslim friends....should the political winds in the US change...."

Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:26 PM : Nov 19, 2008

Now put the rest of the quote in their and add the context in which it was made.
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST
Posted by TheMasses10 at 04:29 PM : Nov 19, 2008

How many years did it take for you to earn that GED

over under 26
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST
See that is the way the left thinks right now the Afgan war is cheap to fight in comparison to Iraq so you support it just as many did the iraq war when it first started.

But give it time once we move our resources there from Iraq and it starts costing billions a month and it starts taking money from the lefts welfare programs we will here the anti afgan war chant just like we do about Iraq.


Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:27 PM : Nov 19, 2008




It isn''t about "fighting the cheap war", numbnuts.

It''s about FIGHTING THOSE THAT ACTUALLY ATTACKED US - not an innocent nation that NEVER attacked or threatened us.

Attacking Iraq as part of the war on terror, would have been like us attacking Peru as retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack. NEITHER make sense.

Figures that your blind loyalty to the most incompetent administration in our nation''s history would prevent you from using common sense.
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by irmcvet97 November 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST
Wow! It''s getting hard to separate the Propaganda from the Republican Party and that of Al Quaeda, well except THEY are insisting he is NOT Muslim but Christian... Same tired old trash otherwise!!
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by mccain08nc November 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST
J, not to be mean sir, but you know there are those who would rather see this country in shambles before supporting Obama

Posted by DJ_IL

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You don''t think the left loones have been rooting for Bush''s demise for 8 years. Where is the difference? I know alot people on the left beleive Obama is the chosen one and god''s hand played a role in becoming president.

With all that aside where is the difference with calling Obama a muslim loving terriorist with out any proof by the right and the left calling our president a war crimanal and saying he should be excutedwith out any proof just left propaganda.

Both statements are dispicable and anyone who says them should be ashamed of their self!!!!
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by irmcvet97 November 19, 2008 4:35 PM PST
You would not know what a commie was if it walked up and shook your hand. I have talked to several PHd''''s in POLY SCI, one who has been following Obama since before he was elected in the state senate who would laugh at you right now. I would believe him before I believed you anyday. At least he has looked at both sides and could refute things by citing sources

Posted by DJ_IL at 04:29 PM : Nov 19, 2008

I have actually KILLED a few Commie''s my friend AND I have had Obama as a State Senator for some time now. You are absolutely correct! This poor old tired Hood and Sheet Freak would call the Pope a commie if he didn''t agree with the "Party". LOL They haven''t changed in 40 years and I don''t think they ever will.
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:35 PM PST
You don''''t think the left loones have been rooting for Bush''''s demise for 8 years. Where is the difference? I know alot people on the left beleive Obama is the chosen one and god''''s hand played a role in becoming president.

With all that aside where is the difference with calling Obama a muslim loving terriorist with out any proof by the right and the left calling our president a war crimanal and saying he should be excutedwith out any proof just left propaganda.

Both statements are dispicable and anyone who says them should be ashamed of their self!!!!

Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:32 PM : Nov 19, 2008





Rooting for Bush''s demise?!?!

You think that WE LIKE to pay super high prices for gasoline?

You think that WE LIKE to see our retirement nest eggs, dry up and blow away?

You think that we like to see 4,200 of our brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters die for NOTHING?

You think that we like seeing all of our money shipped to Iraq, while our own infrastructure crumbles?
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by Druidfaith November 19, 2008 4:37 PM PST
"All you can do is ignore the ignorance of people like that all they are doing is chanting the lefts talking points of Bush is a criminal even thow not one of them have any first hand knowledge of what went on.

It is disgraceful the way some on the left act towards a sitting president and then they cry foul if anyone says anything out of the way about the almighty one elect Obama."- Mccain08NC

This coming from someone who obviously has no problems espousing the right''s talking points, makes it completely laughable. We do know from people involved that Bush/Cheney/Rove, etc., et al., committed acts of criminal/treasonous behavour. I will list but a few of them for you: Violating the Geneva conventions (which protect OUR Troops), Warrantless wire tapping of domestic and overseas calls, tasking the NSA/CIA to engage in domestic surveillance (which it is STRICTLY PROHIBITED FROM DOING BY LAW), Illegally invading a Sovreign country (Iraq) without provocation...

It is also disgraceful the way some on the right treat a sitting president (Clinton), because he did not have the balls to simply say "It''s none of your business, whom I do or do not have *** with." So I call "Hypocrite".
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:37 PM PST
Because everyone with half a brain knows that Obama is a Christian and that Butch is a war criminal. Bushoccio kidnapped, tortured and spied illegally as well as using chemical weapons on civilians. Put that in your pipe.
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by irmcvet97 November 19, 2008 4:38 PM PST
You don''''t think the left loones have been rooting for Bush''''s demise for 8 years. Where is the difference? I know alot people on the left beleive Obama is the chosen one and god''''s hand played a role in becoming president.

With all that aside where is the difference with calling Obama a muslim loving terriorist with out any proof by the right and the left calling our president a war crimanal and saying he should be excutedwith out any proof just left propaganda.

Both statements are dispicable and anyone who says them should be ashamed of their self!!!!

Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:32 PM : Nov 19, 2008


God were do you low life creatures come from. WAY over 80% of this nation backed Bush to the hilt when we were attacked. They continued to back him UNTIL he LIED to them. It would appear, given the HORRIBLE Job Bush did, you would just once try to be an AMERICAN. You have called at least 90% of the people who post on here a "Leftist" or "Liberal" at one time or another. Their "Sin"? Not supporting your point of view. It''s sick!!
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by wheear November 19, 2008 4:38 PM PST
When America was attacked on 9/11, it brought the country together. No Dems or Repubs, just Americans. I hope that this guys comments will do the same. We have been on a constant economic downward spiral since 9/11 happened. This infighting needs to stop. I don''t care which party you support.
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:39 PM PST
Bush lied about the illegal spying in front of all of America. He said "we don''t torture" in front of us all.
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by mccain08nc November 19, 2008 4:40 PM PST
It''''s about FIGHTING THOSE THAT ACTUALLY ATTACKED US - not an innocent nation that NEVER attacked or threatened us.

Attacking Iraq as part of the war on terror, would have been like us attacking Peru as retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack. NEITHER make sense.

Figures that your blind loyalty to the most incompetent administration in our nation''''s history would prevent you from using common sense.

Posted by grouchyjohn
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Your blind hatred for bush keeps you from seeing that it was a bipartion decision that brought us to war in Iraq. Our vice president elect even voted for the war, I would be willing to bet if Obama had actually had a vote he would of either voted present or for the war.

But spout on about how you now support the afgan war and are against the Iraq war. I would be willing to bet that if you were honest with us you are one of the 90% of americans who supported going to war in Iraq when it started.
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by netbs9 November 19, 2008 4:41 PM PST
Yes, the Nets are underdogs again too.............

Posted by TheMasses10 at 04:39 PM : Nov 19, 2008


Who''s referring
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by mccain08nc November 19, 2008 4:42 PM PST
Bush lied about the illegal spying in front of all of America. He said "we don''''t torture" in front of us all.

Posted by noloyalisti
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Wasn''t the great cigar bill impeached for lieing and witness intimidation and all of the left cryed foul and said that it was no big deal he lied and couldn''t believe he was impeached for it.
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by cntrymuzksux November 19, 2008 4:44 PM PST
You don''''t think the left loones have been rooting for Bush''''s demise for 8 years. Where is the difference? I know alot people on the left beleive Obama is the chosen one and god''''s hand played a role in becoming president.

Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:32 PM : Nov 19, 2008

I seem to remember most of the country and Congress supporting Bush after 9-11. His approval ratings were through the roof to boot. Then came the news the march for the Iraqi war was based on a heap of lies. He started being led around by the nose by his neo-con buddies and their PNAC ilk and Iraq started to unravel as quickly as you can say ''Mission Complete.''

Just as silly as having MoveOn.org set this countries policies like PNAC did.

You get what you deserve.
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:44 PM PST
Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. He lied about the "yellow cake" and that Iraq posed an immediate threat. He lied us into killing women and children. That makes him a war criminal.
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by ajmarine111 November 19, 2008 4:45 PM PST


In Al Qaeda''s first response to Obama''s victory, al-Zawahiri also called the president-elect %u2014 along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice %u2014 "house Negroes."



He must have taken his talking points from Harry Belafonte.
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:46 PM PST
Your blind hatred for bush keeps you from seeing that it was a bipartion decision that brought us to war in Iraq. Our vice president elect even voted for the war, I would be willing to bet if Obama had actually had a vote he would of either voted present or for the war.

But spout on about how you now support the afgan war and are against the Iraq war. I would be willing to bet that if you were honest with us you are one of the 90% of americans who supported going to war in Iraq when it started.

Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:40 PM : Nov 19, 2008





Was it also a "bipartisan decision" to withhold the October 2002 NIE from congress and the senate until AFTER they voted on the war authorization, because it PROVED that Iraq did not have WMD''s?

Funny - everyone believes it was the Bush regime that did that, and here you are calling it "bipartisan".

And no - I NEVER supported attacking a country for no apparent reason.
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 4:48 PM PST
Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. He lied about the "yellow cake" and that Iraq posed an immediate threat. He lied us into killing women and children. That makes him a war criminal.
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:48 PM PST
Wasn''''t the great cigar bill impeached for lieing and witness intimidation and all of the left cryed foul and said that it was no big deal he lied and couldn''''t believe he was impeached for it.

Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:42 PM : Nov 19, 2008





What''s worse.....

A lie that led to a "pre-emptive war" leading to the death of 4,200 American service members, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed, TRILLIONS of wasted dollars, lost world respect, and a devastated foreign view of us as a nation.....

-OR-

a BJ?
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by cntrymuzksux November 19, 2008 4:49 PM PST
Wasn''''t the great cigar bill impeached for lieing and witness intimidation and all of the left cryed foul and said that it was no big deal he lied and couldn''''t believe he was impeached for it.

Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:42 PM : Nov 19, 2008

Getting your *** shined and lying about it pales in comparison to - how many thousands of lives now?
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:49 PM PST
In Al Qaeda''''s first response to Obama''''s victory, al-Zawahiri also called the president-elect %u2014 along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice %u2014 "house Negroes."



He must have taken his talking points from Harry Belafonte.

Posted by AJMarine111 at 04:45 PM : Nov 19, 2008




Or any of McCain''s redneck, racist supporters.
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by mccain08nc November 19, 2008 4:50 PM PST
Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. He lied about the "yellow cake" and that Iraq posed an immediate threat. He lied us into killing women and children. That makes him a war criminal.
Posted by noloyalisti

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You base all your statements on left propaganda, please explain how bush personally altered the WMD inteligance coming in . There was about 20 other countries who''s intelegance showed Iraq had WMD''s So I guess Britain''s prime minister forged his intelegance also thats why brittian joined us in the war.

Or do you think brittain would join a war based on american intelegance?
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by ajmarine111 November 19, 2008 4:50 PM PST
Posted by Mccain08NC at 04:42 PM : Nov 19, 2008





What''''s worse.....

A lie that led to a "pre-emptive war" leading to the death of 4,200 American service members, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed, TRILLIONS of wasted dollars, lost world respect, and a devastated foreign view of us as a nation.....

-OR-

a BJ?

Posted by grouchyjohn at 04:48 PM : Nov 19, 2008




This is something that I saved.




We are less than a decade removed from impeaching a president and nearly relieving him of office because of a lie in a civil deposition about ********. Yet when congressman Dennis Kucinich recently attempted to impeach Bush over torture, extraordinary rendition and other grotesque constitutional abuses, Kucinich''''s embarrassed fellow Democrats couldn''''t kill the measure quickly enough.

Why? Top Democrats are so complicit in what has happened since 9/11 that my guess is they dare not travel down that road. From voting in favor of the war in Iraq to holding the telecommunications companies guiltless for their role in spying on Americans (Barack Obama infuriated much of his progressive base by voting for immunity), the Democrats have often acted more as enablers than as a true opposition party. From their point of view, no doubt it''''s best to move on.
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by cntrymuzksux November 19, 2008 4:50 PM PST
Is "I will stand with my Muslim friend....." not CLEAER enough for you?


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Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:44 PM : Nov 19, 2008

what would be cleaer (sic) is if you posted the whole quote and the context it was made in.
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by grouchyjohn November 19, 2008 4:51 PM PST
Well, Clinton lied too, and even had the UN inspectors chasing them around for five years...

Not only that he was the first one that screeched that we had to protect the flow of oil in Iraq...

Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:46 PM : Nov 19, 2008




AGAIN - did Clinton lie us into a perpetual war, with no way out, that cost 4,200 American lives, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, TRILLIONS of wasted dollars, and a complete loss of our respect worldwide?
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