SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 19, 2008

Rewarding Failure: Why Stop With Big 3?

With Tongue In Cheek, Declan McCullagh Urges Treasury Chief To Bail Out Everybody

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(CBS)  This column, Other People's Money, is written by CNET's Declan McCullagh. It appears each Wednesday on CBSNews.com.
The Honorable Henry Paulson
U.S. Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20220

Dear Secretary Paulson:

I understand that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are urging you to hand $25 billion or more to Detroit's nearly bankrupt automakers. While President-elect Obama indicated on 60 Minutes that he likes the idea, the Bush administration has been skeptical.

That is unfortunate. Bailing out companies that lose money on every vehicle they manufacture and cannot adapt to changing market conditions is not merely necessary in today's economic climate -- it's the American way.

It would be shortsighted to stop at GM, Ford, and Chrysler. My modest proposal is that plenty of other nondeserving companies could use a helping hand.

Mervyn's department store can't compete with its rivals on price, selection, and locations. But its stores are a fixture of local neighborhoods across California and the West, and the federal government surely has an obligation to prop up this failed company -- even if it means everyone else pays more in taxes. This is the price we pay for keeping part of the American dream alive.

Managers at another retailer, Steve & Barry's, also made bad decisions. Today the failing company employs over 5,000 people, and it would be unreasonable to expect them to search for new jobs.

Because Circuit City was unable to keep up with Best Buy, it filed for bankruptcy protection last week. Bailing out this failed retailer would stimulate the economy by allowing it to go about the important business of outfitting Americans with 52-inch LCD TVs.

Trendy, unprofitable Web 2.0 startups are endangered. CNET's tech layoffs scorecard shows that Helium.com, Eons.com, ManiaTV.com, Imeem.com, Zivity.com, and Jaxtr.com have been struggling. So what if Al Gore's Current Media cable network has a self-described "history of losses" -- don't the San Francisco hipsters who recently lost their jobs there deserve a little bailout love?

Spoilsports point out that we have a record federal debt and already spent around $4.28 trillion on bailouts and guarantees. That misses the point. As Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke correctly observed, our government's printing press "allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost." There's really no downside.

With another $50 billion or so, Countrywide could have avoided its pennies-on-the-dollar sale to Bank of America. That led to an unfortunate situation for Angelo Mozilo, the Countrywide CEO and chairman who greased his way to more than $400 million in riches in part by handing out below-market-rate loans to favorite politicians, including an Obama aide and Senate Banking Chairman Chris Dodd. A bailout would have let Mozilo, an upstanding American success story, keep his job.

Smaller companies are not immune. Take Oregon-based Marnella Homes, which apparently believed that the housing bubble would never pop. Without an immediate bailout, owner Tony Marnella may lose his Maserati. Time is of the essence.

Let's not forget journalists. Newspapers are losing readers, advertising, and employees. Did you know that the Christian Science Monitor will cease publishing in print form? Not only is a media bailout necessary -- and you can count on some glowing editorials -- but perhaps you can do something about the Craigslist problem while you're at it.

Chrysler deserves a bailout. The car maker is owned by Cerberus Capital Management, a private equity firm that counts former vice president Dan Quayle as an executive. President George W. Bush's former Treasury Secretary, John Snow, is chairman. Taxpayers will understand that prominent Republicans and their colleagues must be rewarded for their distinguished service.

It's true that the United Auto Workers union demands above-market wages and featherbedding, such as a "Jobs Bank" program that pays people not to work, and has hamstrung Detroit's competitiveness. And it's true that the auto makers themselves have made one or two tiny mistakes, like GM's vice chairman dismissing the Toyota Prius as a public relations stunt.

But bailout opponents are short-sighted. Earlier this week, GM Chairman Rick Wagoner wrote: "Nearly a half-century ago President Kennedy declared that his generation of Americans was living in extraordinary times and facing extraordinary challenges. Our times are no less challenging. They demand solutions that are creative and courageous."

What could be more courageous than bailing out a failing company that paid Wagoner $15.7 million last year? That's a surely-justified increase of 64 percent in a year, even though around 83,000 employees lost their jobs this decade. (If asked, you may want to pretend you don't know that the domestic auto industry burned through $465 billion, enough to buy all of Honda, Toyota, Nissan, and Volkswagen outright.)

You may be concerned that by rewarding failure, you encourage it. The reality, of course, is that layoffs must be discouraged through any means necessary. One option would be a law preventing employers from firing workers until the current crisis is resolved, which would also eliminate unemployment payments and reduce the unemployment rate.

Killjoy economists no doubt will prattle about capitalism. Some nabob will point out that nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is the federal government granted the authority to bail out private companies. Ignore them. We must remain true to our nation's founding principles: no company may be allowed to fail.

As Wagoner said, it's vital that you remain courageous as you steel yourself for the daunting task of doling out other people's money. The future of the republic depends on it.

Sincerely,
Declan McCullagh
San Francisco, CA
declan.mccullagh@cnet.com


Declan McCullagh is the chief political correspondent for CNET. He previously was Wired's Washington bureau chief and a reporter for Time.com and Time magazine in Washington, D.C. He has taught journalism, public policy, and First Amendment law. He is an occasional programmer, avid analog and digital photographer, and lives in the San Francisco Bay area. His e-mail address is declan.mccullagh@cnet.com


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by helloall34 November 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST
I don''t agree with the author''s flippant attitude. However, I do agree that the auto industry needs a major adjustment. There are too many players in the market. The government needs to stand back and let that realignment happen. It is going to be painful, but putting it off by throwing money at the problem now will just make the problem worse later. Let them go through bankruptcy. Of course this is what we should have done in the financial sector too (and we didn''t).
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by skysoldier75 November 19, 2008 11:44 AM PST

How does loaning money, with the expectation of having it all returned, plus interest, equal "rewarding failure"?

Sounds like good old fashioned capitalism at it''s best to me.
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by BeyondGreen November 19, 2008 11:46 AM PST
think we best be getting on with the promise of making America energy independent.Iran just asked OPEC to reduce production by yet another 1.5 million barrels per day.This past year and the record gas prices played a huge part in our economic meltdown and seriously damaged our society.We keep planning to spend BILLIONS on bailouts and stimulus plans.Bail us out of our dependence on foreign oil. Make electric plug in car technology more affordable. It cost the equivalent of 60 cents a gallon to drive an electric plug in car. The electric could be generated from wind or solar. Get with it! Utilize free sources such as wind and solar. Stop throwing away money on things that don''t work. Invest in America and it''s energy independence. Create cheap clean energy, create millions of badly needed green collar jobs. Put America back to work. It is a win-win situation. We have to become more poractive citizens, educate ourselves and demand our elected officials move this country forward into the era of energy independence. Jeff Wilson''s new book The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence NOW outlines a plan for America to wean itself off oil. We need a plan and we need it now! www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com

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by November 19, 2008 12:00 PM PST
How does loaning money, with the expectation of having it all returned, plus interest, equal "rewarding failure"?

Sounds like good old fashioned capitalism at it''''s best to me.



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Posted by skysoldier75 at 11:44 AM : Nov 19, 2008


100% correct. It should be pointed out that under "normal" circumstances GM, Ford, Chrysler could go to their financial institutions and get market credit. At the moment that''s not really possible.

Secondly the domestics have had problems making profit only in the North American market, until the last few months.

As to all the "poor management" cries, think about this all these companies are burning through huge amounts of cash from their RESERVES. That''s right reserves. How many commentors here have any reserves at all?

Bankruptcy is not a great option because there is no capitol readily avaliable at the moment. What makes anyone think that the Feds would not get involved in the negotiations with retirement funds and healthcare.

I''ll repeat, 100 Billon has been given in incentives to import makers since the late 80''s from state, county, city and towns to come to their areas. That''s taxpayer money in case you didn''t know.

CEO pay? Well, lets see. GM is a 37 Bil a year company, the CEO made last year about 3 mil. Do the math on the % of the company''s business. Then do yours on your company. My help makes a higher % of my company that does the CEO of GM.



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by rational_1 November 19, 2008 12:10 PM PST
Declan, I admire your sarcasm - that you managed to maintain it for an entire article is a feat unto itself. You are right of course, where do the bailouts stop? Why not a homeowner who stupidly bought a $300,000 home when he could only afford a $200,000 home? Why not the millions of mom and pop businesses? What''s the minimum number of jobs lost accompanying the failure of a company that merits a bailout? Why that number and not one lower or higher?

This whole bailout philosophy stinks to high heaven. And there''s little evidence it''s going to do any good. In the case of the car companies it will just prolong the inevitable.
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by declanm-2009 November 19, 2008 12:34 PM PST
skysoldier75: If you look at the Big Three''s problems, and the amount of money they''re losing, there can be zero expectation of writing a taxpayer check and "having it all returned." There''s a reason GM''s bonds fell to junk status all the way back in 2005.

If the money would be paid back, GM, Ford, and Chrysler could just go to a bank and get a loan.
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by punkinpie1 November 19, 2008 1:27 PM PST
I think have to figure out why the American car industry isn''t able to sell cars. I think it has to be linked to fuel efficiency, the interest rate on a
a car loan and definately the sticker shock on a window of each car. We need cars that are environmentally sound, with good gas mileage. Maybe
make a car that can use natural gas or soup up the
hybrid sales. Cars that can take alternative fuels
would help both consumers and the ecology of the world.
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by punkinpie1 November 19, 2008 1:40 PM PST
I think the worst thing we could do with this situation is to let it go political. We have to rationalize why and try to figure out a solution, or
solutions maybe. It definately is not a thing of one
size fits all. I feel that lobbyists probably caused
a lot of troubles along with the good ''ol speculators
in Wall Street didn''t help matters at all. I think they should all be fired and be put in a dark hole somewhere. All they''ve done is cause this global depression.
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by hitoyou1 November 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST
We do it all the time. Why else would someone need a UNION to keep there job for them? The unions keep people working, that don''t know what the word work means.
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by hitoyou1 November 19, 2008 1:45 PM PST
How does loaning money, with the expectation of having it all returned, plus interest, equal "rewarding failure"?
There is NO EXPECTATION of getting the money BACK. Matter of fact, we, the tax payer, more than likely will NOT GET THE MONEY BACK.
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by imnho November 19, 2008 3:08 PM PST
In my opinion if the auto industtry goes under it will take the economy with it. That is why they bailed out the banks and that why after a lot of bluster they will have to bail out the auto industry. The differnce between a regular store and the auto industry is the impact on national security. If there were not grave national security iplcations I would say let them fail. The bailout needs to be a loan with conditions attached so that they don''t go back to the same failed policies that they have been persuing.
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 3:18 PM PST
Let''s take back most of the profits from the oil corporation criminals. Let''s start seizing personal assets of the rich and give them to the poor and working and middle classes.

We could likely raise a couple hundred billion dollars from the top 1 or 2 percent of Americans and use it as feed money. Of course we would also have to get rid of the fascist system we have let take hold.
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by declanm-2009 November 19, 2008 3:22 PM PST
savan11: Detroit is of course able to sell cars. It''s just that it can''t do it profitably, and Japanese and German automakers can. Here''s a chart of the pre-tax operating profit or loss for Honda and Nissan vs. Chrysler/GM/Ford:
http://theamericanscene.com/2008/11/17/detroit-same-old-same-old

IMNHO: You claim that a non-bailout will "take the economy" down. This is a false claim; United Airlines, Texaco, Global Crossing, and Pacific Gas and Electric declared bankruptcy and went on to become stronger companies. I addressed this point in my column last week:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/12/politics/otherpeoplesmoney/main4595068.shtml
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by noloyalisti November 19, 2008 3:30 PM PST
We can have the fascist oil corporations of America bail out the auto industry. I mean they were behind keeping CAFE standards down, killing the electric car and electing right wingers to support building Hummers.
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by messiahx4eve November 19, 2008 5:54 PM PST
As I have stated previously, there are TWO Americas now, ONE is of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE. The other is the small, mealy mouthed liars, cheaters, thieves, charlitains we supposedly "elect" to help keep our union strong as a country and WE, the PEOPLE, unified as a shining example of prosperity and compassion to the rest of the world. Our values only apply to WE the PEOPLE, the other sect of america does not recognize these values and therefore resorts to other means to propagate their own agendas within OUR desires of what WE the PEOPLE want. We have become a nation of sheepeople that is herded daily and fleeced for every nickle & dime possible. We have stopped thinking for ourselves and thus dumbed ourselves down to unprecidented levels of stupidity and ignorance. FEAR & STRUCTURED ORGANIZED RELIGIONS have been employed since the dawning of the industrial age and now we are experiencing the effects, have a coke, big mac with fries and enjoy the fruits of being a slave to the machine. You actually think your place on this earth is for you to think for yourself? You are taught from birth to accept the work ethic and serve others greed until you die, that is your ONLY purpose in this life.....then you die and are forgotten, welcome to the matrix.
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by ampsanne November 19, 2008 6:24 PM PST
Why don''t we get all the countries that owe us to pay us back? We loan them billions and billions and do we ever get paid back? Seems to me that we ought to keep that money here and take care of our own. I never thought I''d see the day that the big 3 would go under. And if they do, just look how many more people will be without work. The auto industry helped build America. Just think how many people wouldn''t have had jobs over the years if it were not for the auto industry.
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by ubrew12 November 19, 2008 6:56 PM PST
We spent all our money, and trillions we don''t have on owning our own homes in America.

Now, we''re broke and can''t buy cars, or anything else. This nation needs to move its debt to some LONG term instruments, build energy independence, build some home-grown intelligence, and start buying stuff again. No CEO can save a company if no one can buy what they produce. Both Japanese and European car companies are greatly supported by their societies. Its a little wierd saying we wont go there. Like biting off your nose to spite your face.
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by treblhooks November 19, 2008 7:04 PM PST
I fully agree with the headline..."Why stop with the big 3?" Why not bail out the ones who really need the help? Let''s bail out the folks who have lost their jobs because of the greedy bank CEOs, near sighted auto industry leaders and the lobbyists in Washington that helped them get us in this mess. Let''s help those who are going to lose their homes because of the A.R.M. loans that were handed out like candy to those who couldn''t really afford a 250,000 dollar house but were "helped" to quailfy for a home loan by the unscrupulous, greedy realtors. I know of one instance where a lady told the loan officer that he had her income wrong on the application (by $30,000). He told her that it was the just to assure that she got the loan. How about it was the best way for him to line his pokects with a big commision check? Now she is a stones throw from repossesion because he stuck her with an A.R.M. Her mortgage has gone from a little over 900 to almost 2000 a month. These are the folks we should be helping.
As someone who recently lost their job because of slow business I would really like to know how I get in this handout line that big business is forming. I could use a little help myself. How about it Washington, anything there for the common folk who are the ones that are really suffering for the mess you have allowed to happen?
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by steamed2 November 19, 2008 7:21 PM PST
Normally I''m not a ''conspiracy buff'', but every move Sec. Paulson and those ( aiding and abetting him) in Congress brings me inescapably to this conclusion. Ask yourself this. As CEO-Chief Financial Officer of Goldman Sachs until appointed Sec. of the Treasury, is it even remotely believable Paulson didn''t understand the debt structure of his own company? If so, then he also has more than just an abstract idea of debts outstanding in others if they default, and not just in the U.S. He (and others) have always known there isn''t enough money to ''save'' the economy or ''end'' the recession. What they are trying to do is selectively prevent the collapse of certain companies like Citigroup that would bring the 8oo pd gorilla out to play, namely CDS''s and other derivative instruments that should have been illegal in the first place. He''s changed his mind where to put the money? Bull*#&t! For some interesting info, check out http://www.peak.org/~LW584
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by sparks224 November 19, 2008 8:11 PM PST
Bottom line:

Conservatives are against a GM bailout because bankruptcy would break-up the UAW.

It''s about union busting.

It all makes sense now.
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by declanm-2009 November 19, 2008 9:02 PM PST
ampsanne writes: "Why don''''t we get all the countries that owe us to pay us back?"

That used to be the case. It no longer is. As I wrote in a previous column, the U.S. government borrows $450 billion a year -- largely from Asian central banks -- because the Feds spend more than they receive in tax and other revenues. In other words, we''re a debtor nation.

An excerpt from a September 25 Bloomberg article: "Japan is the biggest owner of U.S. Treasury bills, holding $593 billion, and China is second with $519 billion. Asian countries together hold half of the $2.67 trillion total held by foreign nations."

You are correct that we send billions of dollars overseas in the form of foreign aid or military aid.
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by cpelzar--2008 November 19, 2008 10:15 PM PST
Bottom line:

Conservatives are against a GM bailout because bankruptcy would break-up the UAW.

It''''s about union busting.

It all makes sense now.

Posted by sparks224 at 08:11 PM : Nov 19, 2008

And it should busted up and never come back again,
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by mikezembill November 19, 2008 10:46 PM PST
It is time for the USA get paid for all we do around the world with our military and Japan is one of them it should time to pay up and quit this bullshi!.
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by mikezembill November 19, 2008 10:51 PM PST
We just cant up proceting the biggest part of the world for free it has to stop now.
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by hitoyou1 November 20, 2008 6:27 AM PST
I understand that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are urging you to hand $25 billion or more to Detroit''s nearly bankrupt automakers. While President-elect Obama indicated on 60 Minutes that he likes the idea, Three nuts. That do noy belong in office. I say these three should give all there money to the NO GOOD JUNK DEALERS. The AUTOMAKERS.
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by tonykim42 November 20, 2008 7:07 AM PST
Steve Kroft, CBS News did not ask Obama how $150,000,000.00 donation from UAW to Obama%u2019s election
helped the big 3 auto industries to avoid their bankruptcy: The executives of 3 big auto industries have been
mismanaging their extreme resources last 30 years just like Obama had been taking
advantage of the honorable Federal Student Loan System till he decided to run for the presidency!

Neither Steve Kroft, CBS News did ask Obama how Obama%u2019s life time taking
advantage of the honorable Federal Student Loan System helped the executives of Fannie
Mae & Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns and AIG to avoid their taking advantage
of the Washington for the duration of their organizations!

Nor Steve Kroft, CBS News did remind Obama how %u201CThe drop hollows the stone,
not by its force, but by its frequency%u201D.
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by hitoyou1 November 20, 2008 8:16 AM PST
Every one isa blaming someone, calling people names. It has nothing, not one thing to do with name calling are what party you do or don''t belong to. It is just wrong to bail someone out, They got in, let them get out. DOn''t tell me about wall street. Who cares about what wall street does. You every head, the word SAVE. So if something goes wrong, you make it. The Big (little) 3 should learn how to save. As for the UAW, work for the big (little) 3 can pay are get out. What is the UAW going to do, Nothing. There is no LAW that says I can''t lay you off are that I can not shut the DOOR.
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by rjs1955 November 20, 2008 9:03 AM PST
In only 4 months, Chrysler designed from scratch and was mass producing the M-3 tank in 1941 for the Len-Lease Act. They and the other of the Big 3 all made helmets, guns, aircraft parts, and even the planes thmeselves, other tanks... Chrysler made the B-25 bomber... most all of this conversion happened in about a year or so. Auto production for civilian purposes pretty much stopped.

Why can''t that happen now?? Shut down the production of SUV''s. Close the door on this wasteful era of gas-guzzling idiocy. Open the files on concept cars that we have already seen... make deals with the VW Group, Mercedes, Silicon Valley think tanks, MIT physicists and engineers and get cars in the showrooms that get mileage like the new VW diesel Jetta and Polo, the Toyota Prius... cars that look good and make a statement... and make OPEC start eating their own oil on toast for breakfast... well, that won''t happen, but everyone is whining and everyone is concerned about one ox getting gored while the rest of the herd is running over the cliff...
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by markangeloo November 20, 2008 9:39 AM PST
I was just charged an over draft fee
& in my jealous rage I could certainly strangle
a few bankers, but I have taken anger management,
however there are plenty of people who have not.
Does that mean blood in the streets.
How to control the pissed off poor?
Most poor people are black.
The new president is black,
Coincidence ???
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by bobnjersey November 20, 2008 10:29 AM PST
[It would be shortsighted to stop at GM, Ford, and Chrysler. My modest proposal is that plenty of other nondeserving companies could use a helping hand. ]

the current state of things are a clear sign that the free market isn''t as pure and self sustaining as has been promoted for the last hundred years. even alan greenspan ... the protege of ayn rand ... one of the most fervent proponents of the laissez faire model of capitalism ... a champion of the idea that capitalism cures all ills ... begrudgingly admitted in testimony a few weeks ago that there may be a small flaw in the model (how modest of him).

instead of viewing all these troublesome conditions as a ''bailout'' ... it should be viewed as an opportunity to change the way these companies do business ... change their approach ... make them capable of dealing in the current environment. give them the assistance ... but insist that it''s contingent on changes to the way they do business ... and it should include all the players ... including the uaw.

the free market model is failing ... and those that keep chanting it''s mantra ... ayn rand''s mantra ... will be the one''s responsible for the complete failure of the american economy ... with the belief that this will serve everyone better.

it''s not about the model ... it''s about what the model provides for the society. the model should be shaped and molded to serve the society ... not the other way around.
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by rjs1955 November 20, 2008 10:43 AM PST
Good work bobnjersey, I agree.

Europe has never let the bulls loose completely in their economy. America has ridiculed France and Germany for many years. Europe''s way is not boom or bust. There is no foreclosure crisis there like here. Everyone has health insurance and education through grad school for free, they have a real retirement system that matters and provides plenty. Hell, wine is still cheaper than coca-cola in Paris restaurants, and I can stay at a really nice Comfort Inn in Paris for less than in Marion, Illinois near a federal prison!! Europe has cosen a more measured but more secure path to societal and economic stability. We need to also.
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by kyslugbug November 20, 2008 11:47 AM PST
I''ve got a couple of web sites that are going kind of slow. Need more "Ads by Googles" clicks!
Where do I sign up for this bail out money?
Gimme some cash!
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by amrt5016 November 20, 2008 12:13 PM PST
The issue here is whether the situation of the automakers is similar to the situation of financial innstitutions like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and even AIG where failure presents us with costs to the economy that exceed the amount of the bailout. If so, then the argument for bailing them out is a good one. There is no other consideration.
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by doctxt November 20, 2008 12:19 PM PST
EQUATION OF THE DAY:
FED LENDS OUR $ TO BANKS FOR 1% (PLUS) WE BORROW FROM BANKS @ 10 TO 20% (PLUS) 8% TAXES (EQUALS) WE FOREVER LOSE (PLUS) FED & BANKS WIN (MINUS) TRUTH (EQUALS) DEPRESSION (TIMES) MORE LIES (EQUALS) POLITICIANS (PLUS) INVESTORS (DIVIDED BY) GREED (MINUS) LAW (MINUS) GOD (EQUALS) REVOLUTION!!!

EQUATION EXPLAINED:
10 YEARS AGO-ALL OVER THE NEWS-"PEOPLE HAD TO CHOOSE-MORTGAGE PAYMENTS OR GAS FOR CARS". THEY CHOSE GAS-THE MORTGAGE INDUSRTY CRUMBLED-FED SAYS SOME FAULTY PAPER AGREEMENT BETWEEN BANKS AND INVESTORS CAUSED IT-WHEN HIGHLY PAID FEDERAL ECONOMIC GURUS LOOKED THE OTHER WAY-OIL COMPANIES REAPED $60 TO $80 MILLION A YEAR (TIMES) 10 YEARS = $800 MILLION (ONE COMPANY ALONE)-NO WONDER THE %u201CFAILOUT PLAN%u201D IS NOT ENOUGH%u2026 FORESIGHT AS GOOD AS HINDSIGHT-WHATEVER IT IS, THE PEOPLE MUST NOW PAY FOR IT.

FAILOUT PLAN IS TO BAIL OUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO BOUGHT AMERICAN SOIL VIA FANNIE AND FREDDIE-THEY GOT BAILED OUT FIRST TO COVER TRACKS, PLAN NOT WORKING FOR ANYONE ELSE. AFTER GOV%u2019T APPROVAL & MAE, MAC BAILOUT - GURUS CHANGE- WANT TO INVEST IN BANKS INSTEAD OF HELPING PEOPLE-NOW GURUS ADMIT ECONOMY IS IN A SLOWDOWN.

PRICE OF OIL COMES BACK DOWN, CONSUMPTION NEVER CHANGED.

ABORTION IS OK, BUT THE BILL IS ON FUTURE GENERATIONS THAT WILL BE KILLED, AND THEY ROB THE RETIREMENT EGGS OF US ALL.

THIS IS WHY WE HAVE AN ELECTORAL REVOLUTION-PEOPLE WANT CHANGE-IT WILL NOT COME FROM POLITICIANS.

THIS IS A BALANCED BUDGET-FOR THE GREEDY!
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by grigjd3 November 20, 2008 12:27 PM PST
I would agree with you amrt except that $25 billion isn''t the real cost of the bailout. The American automakers have horrible business practices. The long term effect of letting them continue on this line is terrible for the economy. As of yet, I have seen no plan for how they will be profitable again. This bailout just pushes the window of when they will fail back a couple of months.
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by terrapin78 November 20, 2008 12:48 PM PST
I was just charged an over draft fee
& in my jealous rage I could certainly strangle
a few bankers, but I have taken anger management,
however there are plenty of people who have not.
Does that mean blood in the streets.
How to control the pissed off poor?
Most poor people are black.
The new president is black,
Coincidence ???

Posted by Markangeloo at 09:39 AM : Nov 20, 2008


Show some statistics and state the source to show what you assert- That most poor people are black.

Otherwise, I''d say this is just a plain racist remark.
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by armandbeni November 20, 2008 1:45 PM PST
Rewarding Failure has become the American way!
If we didn''t reward failure, we would have to fire congress and close every federal program!
Congress is packing up for another vacation, never mind that the country is in crisis, and they once again failed to solve anything. It''s time to jet off home for the holiday and they won''t get back till next year.
It appears that the mortgage brokers bought more of congress than the big three. Now the big three are going to pay the price. Bail out the suits on wall street and the bankers that committed banking fraud but not the auto industry where you may save some blue collar jobs. Personally I wouldn''t have bailed out anyone but if your going to bail out Bankers why not Industry, at least Industry actually produces something other than an illusionary balancesheet

I guess congress is counting on the American people quietly lining up in bread lines like they did in the depression. America has changed since then, maybe they will figure out that they failed when the cities are burning and riots break out around their mansions.
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by noloyalisti November 20, 2008 2:45 PM PST
The money should be going to middle class consumers who will spend it on things we need like education and health care. Instead it is going to the same fascists who run the "democratically elected" government of pigs. Fortunately most of us see the American corporate crooks for what they are. I know the rest of the world does.
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by markangeloo November 20, 2008 3:01 PM PST
True that was a racist statement
but that still does not make it false. Sorry.
True most poor are not black but
more blacks are poor.

Politics of Poverty
Republicans -lock them up
Democrats -pay them off
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by mollydtt November 20, 2008 3:18 PM PST
After we bail out the companies, we, the consumers will have no money to shop there. I was in Circuit City last week and really wanted to buy some things, (USB memory, and a backup hard drive)--then I remembered that I can''t buy anything at all. The prices and products were great, but no money is no money.
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by mytoosense November 20, 2008 3:53 PM PST
Want to talk about rewarding failure?

How about the fact that Americans are supporting German and Japanese auto companies after they failed to defeat us in WWII.

Do you want America to depend on these country%u2019s auto companies the next time we need to equip ourselves for war? How about the Koreans or the Chinese?

We are running out of reasons to create steel in this country, Try fighting a war without steel.

Wake Up folks.
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by superdem November 20, 2008 3:57 PM PST
The American Auto makers didn''t just "fail" in a vacuum - the Republicans from Reagan on down made it very clear that hoggish consumption was the American way, big vehicles were "manly" and conservation, fuel mandates, alternative technologies, emission controls, hybrid designs - all of this was wimpy, un-American, costly intrusion into corporate perogatives and the choice of consumers ! Especially after the 9/11 attacks, American nationalism reached fever pitch, no one cared about down-sizing or alternative fuels - the leaders of the car companies are all Republicans, they all bought into the American macho thing - huge SUVs and Hummers with flags flying and Iraq War bumper stickers were the rage. But NOW - it''s the UAW making us anti-competitive ???? Now, after the Republicans have pissed billions of tax dollars into the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan, we can''t do anything to save the millions of American jobs ? It''s not the American auto workers who failed, it''s the Republican leadership who failed then and continue to fail now. This is the moment to completely remake the American auto industry, to force cars of the future into production based on science and technology, not glitzy ads and false patriotism.
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by rg0417 November 20, 2008 4:39 PM PST
Why not pay off the mortgages (just home mortgages, not loans for businesses). It would be cheaper, more people would be willing to buy more goods, and thereby creating more jobs and saving businesses.
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by markangeloo November 20, 2008 9:47 PM PST
You''re still giving money to losers whether they be bankers or dumb over extended, pie in the sky,
unthirfty home owners.
Reward greedy poor people or rich still a bad investment.
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by pjc27 November 21, 2008 8:04 AM PST
Let them FALL!
They will file, regroup & rebuild.
They build *** cars, bad MPG, low safety ratings, covered with plastic, no belles and whistles, and want me to pay the same for that crud as I would a Saab? Forget it.
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by foundme-2009 November 21, 2008 5:47 PM PST
Failure? Making gas guzzlers instead of electric cars to the expense of the public, and paying out $100,000 salaries and bonuses is hardly a failure in the eyes of the companies. Government lawyers at the Internal Revenue Service lied but lost their case anyway (http://www.howgbeattheirs.spaces.live.com). Lawyers at SulmeyerKupetz & Charlston Revich Chamberlin Wollitz (http://www.16lunchtime42.com) were rewarded over the years by Judges for their lies and violations of the law. Our only failure here will be if we don''t admit that the Big Three is just the tip of the iceberg --- or should I say tip of the Titanic?
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by gedunk2 November 21, 2008 6:48 PM PST
Circut City didn''t "fail to compete". A few years ago, the idiots running the place decided that the top sales staff were being paid too much, so they laid them off. Permanently.

I guess nobody mentioned to the CEO that the sales staff was paid on a commission basis, so all Circut City did was fire the top 20 percent of its sales force.

You can imaging the effect on the remainder of the sales people.

This is probably the most "Republican" thing I''ve seen done in many a year."Holy Cow! Our top sales force is actually making a living. Fire Them!"

What a true testament to the fallacy of Regeanomics.
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