Nov. 17, 2008

Don't Punish Joe Lieberman

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(The New Republic)  This column was written by James Kirchick.
On Tuesday, Democratic Senators will decide the political fate of Joe Lieberman. For the past several years, Lieberman has been a persistent thorn in their side--a relentless critic of Democratic attempts to end the war in Iraq and a no-less-vocal advocate of President Bush's surge strategy. Relations have grown considerably worse since he endorsed John McCain for President last December and delivered a speech at the Republican National Convention this fall. Now that the Democrats have picked up at least six additional seats in the Senate, liberal activists are calling on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to strip Lieberman of his chairmanship over the Homeland Security & Government Affairs Committee, revoke his seniority, and possibly evict him from the Democratic caucus altogether. But to do so would send the wrong message to the country, needlessly divide the Democratic Party, and betray the principles Barack Obama stressed so eloquently in his campaign.

To his credit, Obama has sent signals that he wants Lieberman to stay in the caucus, and perhaps even as chair of the committee. "We don't hold any grudges," Obama spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter emailed Talking Points Memo's Greg Sargent on Monday. And, indeed, allowing Lieberman to stay--however obnoxious liberals might have found his dissidence--wouldn't just be a sign of non-partisan, post-election magnanimity; it'd also be in the long-term political interests of Obama and his fellow Democrats. Because if the Democratic Party wants to maintain control of Congress and the White House, it will have to reconcile its liberal and moderate wings. Punishing Lieberman could complicate these efforts.

First, just in terms of policy, those calling for the axe ignore that Lieberman has been a reliable Democrat. Last week, Reid said that "Lieberman is not some right wing nut case," and, in fact, Lieberman has secured a higher party loyalty voting record than 14 of his Democratic colleagues. He's also been a fine chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. He sponsored the legislation that first created the department, and under his leadership, the committee has achieved some legitimate successes: Lieberman helped alter the formula by which homeland security funding is dispersed so that the localities most at risk receive more aid, and he crafted legislation to mandate the inspection of all air and sea cargo within three years. He has also sponsored good, progressive legislation, like a bill extending domestic partner benefits to gay federal employees.

Yes, Lieberman's frequent and vocal complaints about the Democratic Party have irked his colleagues. But, in terms of policy, has he really damaged liberal aims more than the other Democratic congressmen and Senators who have not toed the party leadership's line? Senator Robert Byrd, for instance, has been one of the coal industry's greatest friends in Congress, angering environmentalists for decades with his attempts to block measures that would reduce pollution. As Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, he has been one of the most powerful men in the Senate, and it's not unreasonable to say that his position on the issue over the years has done more harm to the progressive cause writ large than Lieberman has.

Moreover, a political party that seeks to represent a broad swathe of the country should be able to accommodate someone (even a committee chairman) who holds slightly divergent views from the congressional leadership. For an example of what happens when a political party imposes ideological purity tests, Democrats need only cast their gaze across the aisle. The GOP is currently enmeshed in a civil war, where the conservative wing has all but destroyed the party's moderate faction. Starting in 1994 and continuing on through today, Republican leaders like Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay wouldn't allow for disagreement within the caucus, and the result has been the party's intellectual breakdown. Moderate Republicans like Chris Shays no longer exist, and the party is given to sensational acts of overreach, the congressional witch hunt over Bill Clinton's sex life and the federal intervention in the Terri Schiavo case being two of the most notorious examples.

There's also the strategic case for keeping Lieberman on: Just because the Republican brand has lost some its luster doesn't mean that the Democratic Party now has the leverage to excommunicate its centrists. For the past 40 years, the Democratic Party has been most successful when it has governed from the center--when it has governed at all. Its 2006 congressional takeover, engineered by incoming Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, wouldn't have happened if the party didn't run centrist and conservative Democrats in traditionally red states. Were the Democrats to punish their former vice presidential nominee, it could weaken the position of these legislators by making the party seem too liberal and intolerant of moderates. Leaving Lieberman alone would allow the Democrats to one-up the GOP by showing that they're the ones who believe in a big tent philosophy, as opposed to the small-minded, petty Republicans.

Pointedly, not a single Democratic senator has publicly called for stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship or expelling him from their caucus. (On the contrary, some are rallying to his defense.) The people most interested in penalizing Lieberman are a small but noisy group of liberal bloggers and activists, the same people who were plumping over two years ago to eject him from the Democratic Party for his supposed heresies. Earlier this year, far left activist Robert Greenwald started the website Liebermanmustgo.com, which hosts a petition demanding the revocation of Lieberman's seniority. The Daily Kos is urging its readership to call Democratic Senators and demand that they do the same. Joe Klein, who refers to the "flagrantly dreadful" Lieberman, writes that allowing him to keep his committee chairmanship but revoking his seniority is "far more than Lieberman deserves," while Josh Marshall declares that offer "simply unacceptable." The popular liberal blogger Jane Hamsher, who once doctored a photo to portray Lieberman in black face, bizarrely argues that Democrats must strip Lieberman of his committee chairmanship because he'll "no doubt" use it to investigate the Obama administration. If Democrats follow the cues of this crowd, then the party will lose credibility among the moderate majority of the American electorate.

From his reversal on FISA and selection of Rahm Emanuel as his Chief of Staff to the news that he's unlikely to overhaul Bush administration national security policies, Obama seems to understand that kowtowing to his party's left flank is not what the American people expected when they elected him president. Though it may be tempting to dump Lieberman now that he needs the Democrats more than they need him, doing so wouldn't put an end to "the partisanship and pettiness and immaturity" that Obama criticized in his victory speech last week. It would instead suggest that Democrats haven't learned a thing about what's currently rending the GOP apart.

By James Kirchick
Reprinted with permission from The New Republic.



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by briannorwood November 17, 2008 1:16 PM PST
I didn''t mind that Lieberman supported John McCain. BUT, when he decided to speak at the GOP convention, then started trashing Barak Obama, I had enough!

I am quite sure this little weasle was confident that Americans would never elect a black man as President. And, he was certainly looking for appointment as Secretary of State, since he knows that his Senate career is finished after this term. He could never be re-elected and he knows it.

I say to this turncoat go sleep with your new bedfellows!
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by troutfisher4 November 17, 2008 1:24 PM PST
BOOT HIM


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by deathofusa November 17, 2008 1:32 PM PST
The popular liberal blogger Jane Hamsher, who once doctored a photo to portray Lieberman in black face, bizarrely argues that Democrats must strip Lieberman of his committee chairmanship because he''ll "no doubt" use it to investigate the Obama administration....


Wow. The paranoia is spreading.
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by noloyalisti November 17, 2008 1:44 PM PST
I think we should use him to our benefit and when the Dems win even more seats in 2010, we can chuck him over to his buddies on the fascist side of the aisle.
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by cusefan21 November 17, 2008 2:11 PM PST
Go figure they will try to ruin his career since he won;t side with anyone time for a better system than a 2 party system cause it sure sucks
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by cusefan21 November 17, 2008 2:12 PM PST
Go figure they will try to ruin his career since he won;t side with anyone time for a better system than a 2 party system cause it sure sucks
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by nosider-2009 November 17, 2008 2:20 PM PST
Joe Lieberman is the biggest weasel and an a*skisser that tries to divide rather than join people and parties together. I don''t know what is on his agenda but I don''t TRUST the man a bit. He is a two faced flip-flopper that we would do much better without. Get rid of him now! We need more people that preach peace in this world and not war and hate like Lieberman. BOOT HIM!!!
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by nj1058 November 17, 2008 2:23 PM PST
Get rid of him now before he create more problems for the progress of the party,and the future of our new president of these United States of America Barack Obama,get rid of this LOW-LIFE otherwise we will all regret it.NJ.
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by notopennshut November 17, 2008 2:27 PM PST
What in the heck are people talking about in terms of "punishment"? This should and must be about principles!! For if you do not have any principles, then we are a doomed nation. Lieberman must be deprived of any positions within the democratic party for he has shown that he is not one of them, in fact, he was a turncoat and traitor, regardless of what some party members say. How can we, as a nation, see what he had done, so blatantly, and still accept him as part of the inner circle? How can he ever be trusted again?? If the party has any credibility, there is no recourse but to strip him of his positions within the party. It the republicans want to "crown" him with one of their top positions, so be it. There is no way one can trust and reward traitors, it is a fact of life. He did not just openly support McCain, he openly threw **** at the democrats and their nominee. How can anyone tolerate this?? He should lay in the bed that he made for himself and constantly remind CT voters what he is made of.
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by presjfk November 17, 2008 2:40 PM PST
If Lieberman had simply made a public announcement that he supported McCain, I would have been okay with that but to stump for McCain and stomp on Obama is unforgivable.

I wish Lieberman was a man of character, flying in the face of partisanship and voicing an independent opinion for the good of the country and for the best of reasons -but this is not the case. Lieberman is an opportunist and he not only sided with McCain but he blatantly attacked Obama. Did Obama deserve the attack? Was Obama so bad that he deserved an attack from a Democrat attending the Republican national conventions? I don''t think so. It speaks of Lieberman''s character that he asked for and got Obama''s support to help him win his campaign in Connecticut, thanking Obama with attacks at a time when Obama needed support in kind.

We need independent and courageous leaders in our government but Lieberman is none of these things and should not be confused with such people.
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by mytoosense November 17, 2008 3:15 PM PST
Funny how the Republicans want congress to start "playing nice" only after they have lost control. The Democrates should not forget what things were like under the Republican leadership of Tom "The Hammer" Delay, and Dennis Hastert.

Joe Liberman chose his side and lost, Put him in charge of the one man committee responsible for serving congressional coffee and donuts.
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by noloyalisti November 17, 2008 3:59 PM PST
We should not underestimate the HUGE power of the right wing zionist lobby AIPAC. They control Liebermann''s brain and are pressuring Obama to be belligerent.

Go out of your way to protest AIPAC whenever you can. Make sure when you find out people who are supporting them, you tell everyone you know and what they stand for: Jewish Nazism.
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by F.F. November 17, 2008 4:02 PM PST
A rat is a rat... and all should abandon the "ship".
I trust him less than McCain.
He gave his word and he broke his word about attacking Obama. He was so sure McCain was going to win. Maybe he never thought a black man was going to win. Not even 2 weeks before the election, when he show up behind McCain, smiling every single time McCain open his mouth.

Get rid of him!!!
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by tmittelstaed November 17, 2008 4:04 PM PST
Boot him out - the Democratic party does not need him anymore, and he is a traitor.
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by letjoestay November 17, 2008 4:09 PM PST
Removing Joseph Lieberman from the Chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee would be an act of extreme pettiness, unbefitting the new political environment which President-elect Obama wishes to create. Sen. Lieberman''s demonstration of loyalty and friendship to John McCain are virtues to be desired, not disparaged. Hopefully the majority of the members of the Steering and Outreach Committee feel the same way.

Letjoestay.blogspot.com
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by tommieofford November 17, 2008 4:21 PM PST
He was as bad of choice in 2004 as Palin was in 2008.

Real change means finally cleaning out the closet of trash that has built up over the years.

GET RID OF HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by berchesgaden November 17, 2008 4:39 PM PST
Joe Lieberman, the best Senator Israel ever had!
Kick him out!!!
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by Razzl November 17, 2008 4:53 PM PST
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have done a skilful job of keeping the Democratic Congress realistic in the face of a Republican minority which was determined to practice scorched-earth obstruction in order to prevent anything at all from getting done. I would expect Reid to continue using those tactical skills by keeping Lieberman in the Democratic majority, however unfair or irritating that might be, because Lieberman remains, for want of a better term, a "useful fool", a reliable liberal vote on most issues regardless of his neocon warhawk midlife crisis. It would certainly be fair to expect Lieberman to give up his homeland security chair in exchange for lesser postings, which would still be a victory for his constituents, but keeping Lieberman happily voting with the majority is a worthwhile price for enduring his presence. Ultimately, it''s up to his constituents (of which I''m one) to deal with him...
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by delfmast November 17, 2008 4:55 PM PST
editorialstaff net notes: Every conservative, libertarian, and military family member in America is praying daily, that the defeatocrats are stupid enough to throw Uncle Joe under the bus, on the way to their deafeatist inaugural ball. When he is forced to caucus with the forces of liberty and justice for all, they can take down the sign that says, "When the last honorable statesman leaves the defeatocratic caucus, please turn out the lights."
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by wingnutsblow November 17, 2008 5:28 PM PST
Throw Holy Joe so far under the bus he comes out the back and gets run over by the next bus. Elections have consequences, turncoat.
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by ausus-2009 November 17, 2008 5:40 PM PST
For the Democrats to throw Lieberman under the bus would be an act of sheer stupidity. There is an outside chance that the Democrats and Lieberman together would give the majority needed of 60 to avoid filibusters. To antagonize him could push him over to the Republicans on crucial votes.
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by blackyowe November 17, 2008 5:46 PM PST
He slit his own throat and his blood is flowing from his body as we speak. Such a man is no leader.
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by thuderstone November 17, 2008 5:50 PM PST
His desicion are his, mistakes he made are also his. I think the man is senile. AIPAC goes, we could not afford him on as the chair on homeland security, because American intrest should come first before Isreal. But when people say we still need this guy, I think that is an mistake, we don''t need this guy in the democratic party, his every action warns about what is wrong with the government and we need to decide strong and firm, Joe is got to go. CT voters need to think clearly when his terms are up, because we Americans are peace loving, tree planting, freedom seeking, we don''t need confused old men running as our represetative in the highst form.
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by ausus-2009 November 17, 2008 6:05 PM PST
thuderstone,

To discard Lieberman and push for a Democratic Party that embraces only your values is a recipe for a rout in 2010. You may have only a small window of opportunity to push your agenda. Bill Clinton had only two years.
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by scottyusa November 17, 2008 6:15 PM PST
The democrats won''t admit it but Leiberman was right, along with the republicans, on the Iraq war including the surge. He has served us well (I am a democrat). Unfortunately, the left wingnuts in the party will never admit they were wrong. Reid said we lost the war 3 years ago and Pelosi wanted to stop funding the troops. These are the wingnuts Leiberman had to deal with in his endever to head us in the right direction back then. He is a man of conviction and I will always vote for him no matter what party he is in.
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by beauzaq November 17, 2008 6:50 PM PST
What a cargo load of ***. LIEberman did exactly nothing with his privilege of subpoena power when it came to calling the chimp in chief on all of his crimes against humanity.

Now people want to say all is forgiven? You gotta be kidding me. This is the thing that drives so called moderates away from the Dems. Imagine a Rethuglican doing that to their party. Is it any question that they would throw him out on his rear so fast it would make your head spin? No I am not say do it because that is what they would do, I''m saying do it because it makes sense.

Who cares if he jumps over to the Rethug klan if he doesn''t get what he wants. Is there anybody that honestly thinks he has a chance to get re-elected doing that? He probably knows he cant get re-elected anyway and will probably make Obama''s life a living hell.

The Dems would show exactly zero backbone by letting this 2k Judas keep his chairmanship. I''m all for making an example out of this clown because one needs to be made. It is nothing more than ridiculous to think you can stab a guy in the back that you asked to help you get re-elected.

The Dems can''t possibly be that stupid.
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by roger3815 November 17, 2008 8:11 PM PST
Lieberman needs to be shown the door.
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by hhkeller November 17, 2008 8:36 PM PST
Liberman works for Israels right wing.
He lied us into Iraq so that Israels squatter settlements could stay on the West Bank.
This guy has gotten thousands of our GIs killed and should be investigated for treason.
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by eewrites November 17, 2008 8:45 PM PST
scottyusa:
It is ridiculous to say Lieberman was right about the war. Of course the surge worked. If you kill off enough Iraqi''s and millions of others are in exile, then you send in tens of thousands of our troops, isn''t it obvious that eventually things will calm down? Lieberman is the same guy who said things were great in Iraq while it was burning. He was right about nothing. Maureen Dowd in the times rightly said that when people like John McCain take credit for the surge it''s like an arsonist wanting credit for putting out a fire they started.
Having said that, this article makes some good points about bi-partisanship. But the idea that Lieberman was right about the war is laughable.

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by tangouniforn November 17, 2008 8:47 PM PST
Like most of the posters on this blog, I would like to see Liberman striped to his skin and thrown out into a blizzard. But until the dems have 60 senators, they need him. He could be the difference between passing legislation or not. The GOP has shown that they are willing to stand together and prevent any bill that they oppose, from even coming up for a vote. Having said that, I do think that he should be taken to the woodshed and have the facts of life explained to him and then show him what will happen to him if he steps out of line.
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by sjbj2322 November 17, 2008 9:35 PM PST
This just makes me sick. I was so hoping that there would be enough Democrats elected into office that they could finally tell Joe to take a hike. He is so repulsive that the thought of giving him the slightest satisfaction of thinking that he is in anyway needed, much less indispensible, just makes me want to stick my finger down my throat. As far as I''m concerned the most he should have been granted was his position on sub-committees. It''s not vindictive to hold someone accountable for their actions or to except them to suffer any meaningful consequences - unless the person happens to be in government...then anything goes.
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by ausus-2009 November 17, 2008 9:49 PM PST
sjbj2322,

It sounds like you want to follow the system of some Parliamentary countries and have party discipline. If a person does not toe the party line he or she loses party endorsement and therefore their seat. The trouble with this system is that you would therefore need one person in Congress to announce the leader''s decision, with all votes a foregone conclusion, and everything else is just for show. It doesn''t sound kike democracy to me.
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by ausus-2009 November 17, 2008 10:47 PM PST
Talk about embarrassing typos. I meant to say "It doesn''t sound like democracy to me".
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by fallingleaf1-2009 November 17, 2008 10:51 PM PST
"Lieberman has been a reliable democrat"

Running against Connecticut Democrats'' choice for the Senate candidate is being a "reliable Democrat?"

Campaigning against the Democrats'' choice for the Presidential candidate is being a "reliable Democrat?"

All this talk of needing Joe for some kind of filibuster-proof majority is nonsense. He''s a two-faced weasel and he''ll vote the same way no matter where he caucuses so let him stay with the like-minded Republicans. If I never hear his whiny voice again I''ll be so happy. What''s wrong with you, Connecticut?
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by fallingleaf1-2009 November 17, 2008 10:52 PM PST
This crazy thing turned my apostrophes into double quotes.
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by palmstorm November 17, 2008 11:31 PM PST
Throw Lieberman to the Republicans.
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by lmartink November 17, 2008 11:44 PM PST
Republican Joe can''t be trusted. He is fundamentally corrupt, running as an independent and then trashing the voters who supported him.

Since he''s corrupt, has no integrity, and a bald faced liar -- why would the Democrats want him? Let the Republicans have him. He''ll fit right in.
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by nearl4511 November 17, 2008 11:45 PM PST
No.Don''t punish Joe. Rather give him freedom from his obligations as a Chairman.
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by ausus-2009 November 18, 2008 12:36 AM PST
LMartinK,

Would you call Jim Jeffords corrupt, a man with no integrity, and a bald faced liar? After all, he betrayed the Republicans even more. He was elected as a Republican and caucused with the Democrats. Or are you being selective, taking ideology above scruples?
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by babooph November 18, 2008 5:59 AM PST
Why "punish" him -just for political trash?
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by formrusmcsgt November 18, 2008 6:25 AM PST
Everyone knows that Lieberman serves Israel first, the U.S. second.

With the change of administration and the Dem gains in the Senate, he has become a non-entity.
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by xlib November 18, 2008 7:39 AM PST
Now there''s all that compassion, understanding and diversity spouting libs. Yep, only you libs use terms like punish, etc. So, the man left your party because he didn''t like the way it was going. Therefore he must be destroyed. Destroy him, ruin him.
You people all shoulda that is basically run by aging hippies from the 60''s (pelosi, reid, etc)I sure don''t see a lot of "love".
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by sleepyric November 18, 2008 7:40 AM PST
Zell Leiberman. give em'' the axe.
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by longtree-2009 November 18, 2008 8:12 AM PST
something should be done to lieberman in the way of punishment. if for nothing else, than standing in the background smiling while mccain and palin made outrageous accusations, charges against obama which none of them ever were able to prove. just for that alone, lieberman was a big jerk. do something to him like put him in a lower post on some committee but take away something.
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by joobie810 November 18, 2008 8:53 AM PST
As Stephen Colbert said on the Colbert Report, Joe Lieberman "spit in the face" of every Connecticut resident who voted for him by supporting McCain so visibly. It''s become apparent from Lieberman''s words & actions that the only party he represents is the JOE LIEBERMAN PARTY!
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by augustman195 November 18, 2008 9:04 AM PST
Hey Xlib, Here''s food for thought....After the "***"
Lieberman pulled on his colleagues, (both Dems and Reps) don''t you think he should be "second guessed?" I mean, to whom has he shown loyalty? This isn''t third grade, this is American politics and in this arena one must suffer for one''s indescretions and given accolades for one''s successes. HANG ''EM!
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by godseyesore-2009 November 18, 2008 11:09 AM PST
He tried to destroy Democratic party. He deserves to be banished to the dust bin.
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by notopennshut November 18, 2008 11:48 AM PST
Such trash like Lieberman ought to be carted out and dumped by Waste Management! No one should tolerate such a hypocrite or traitor. He betrayed the democratic party and president-elect, and if he has ANY HONOR, he ought to remove himself out of shame. But he is such a scum bag that he thinks he can just put on his "smiling tiger" face and all will be forgiven. He should be ostracized and rejected by his senate colleagues if they have any sense of integrity!!
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by jsl45 November 18, 2008 12:10 PM PST
He needs to be thrown under the bus.....let him join the losers in the McBush republican party...
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