Prop. 8 Anger Spurs Donor Blacklists

CBS Evening News: Online Donor Lists Prompt Boycotts Of Same-Sex Marriage Ban Supporters

(CBS)  For supporters of same-sex marriage, the Election Day loss in California seems to be energizing their campaign rather than ending it.

Demonstrations against Proposition 8, the ban on same-sex marriage, have been growing, CBS News correspondent John Blackstone reports.

Now the anger is moving to the Internet, where supporters of same-sex marriage are posting blacklists - the names and businesses of those who gave money to help Proposition 8 pass.

Chris Lee, an engineer who is an immigrant from China, was shocked to see his name on the Web site AntiGayBlacklist.com after he gave $1,000 to the campaign to end same-sex marriage.

"I was completely disgusted," Li said. "This sort of blacklist should only appear in communist countries, should not be found in the United States."

In Los Angeles, demonstrators called for a boycott of a restaurant whose manager made a personal donation of $100 to the "Yes on 8" campaign.

"She didn't think it would be public record," said Jeff Yarbrough.

Anger over the blacklists brought out demonstrators in Sacramento, where Scott Eckern resigned as musical director of a local theater when he was identified as a donor.

While it isn't clear who is behind the blacklisting Web sites, political donations are public record and publishing them is legal. But this campaign is making even many supporters of same-sex marriage uncomfortable.

"I understand the anger, but I think we need to channel it," said Molly McKay of Marriage Equality USA. "Into conversations, into moving forward because, you know again, hate vs. hate produces more hate."

Those campaigning to end same-sex marriage drew up their own blacklist, sending letters to large donors to the campaign to save same-sex marriage, demanding equal money or threatening to publish their names.

The Internet has made open political financing even more open - and perhaps more intimidating.

[pvperson]

"Those campaigning to end same-*** marriage drew up their own blacklist, sending letter to large donors to the campaign to save same-*** marriage, demanding equal money or threatening to publish their names"

Sounds like blacklists are a good way to go, it worked for the anti-gay people, what''s fair for them is fair for everybody.

[pvperson]

CBS, it really is stupid that you would censor a passage from your own article?

[differnet]

Voting with your dollars is certainly everyone''s right. If you gave money to a campaign that''s a public record. People don''t have to support YOU if they feel your beliefs are anathema to their lives. However, the risk here is that a boycott will escalate into something much more dangerous.

[stick1772]

Start standing in their yards and around their businesses and boycotting them.

See how much faster the gay businesses fail when we don''t support them.

[stick1772]

Who''s filled with all the hate now???

They would run you down in the street because you disagree with them. Funny you don''t see hetrosexual''s rioting or blacklisting anyone in Con or Mass. becuase the law isn''t in their favor.

[dburfears]

It never changes. It just evolves from one group to another over time.

Those who are in the majority want to create a minority with fewer civil liberties than they have. it is disgusting, but America has done it over and over again

Chinese

Blacks

Catholics

Hispanics

Italians

Jews

Germans

Irish

All were treated as second class citizens by the majority- they were denied everything from basic freedoms to the right to own property. Whites and hispanics were killed for getting married in the 1800''s. Blacks and whites were killed for marriage in the last century. Bigotry, fear, ignorance, and hate abound.

Yet today we again have people who, based on their "religion", will do away with the life , liberty, and pursuit of happiness of others who are "different" in their eyes.

Shame on my country. Shame on those who mistakenly consider themselves "Christian". For they are neither true to Christian ideas or good Americans. They are the worst of humanity- the fearful and the bigoted.

"Separate but equal" is the shame of America.

[dkhorse1]

How can you hope to win someone over to your side by pissing them off? Bible thumping doesn%u2019t work in the gay community, how can pro gay agendas make an impact in hard core religious communities?
I%u2019m gay and against prop.8, but for the life of me can%u2019t figure how antagonizing the adversary will bring about the desired results? Boycott specific businesses, YES, but reckless, forceful acceptance of an agenda won%u2019t work.
The world if rife with examples of forced acceptance that doesn%u2019t work.

[clathrate]

They would run you down in the street because you disagree with them. Funny you don''''t see hetrosexual''''s rioting or blacklisting anyone in Con or Mass. becuase the law isn''''t in their favor.


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Posted by stick1772

How is the law not in favor of heterosexuals in Mass. or Conn.? Last time I checked, *** weren''t preventing others from getting married there.

This is not a zero sum game. The right of *** to marry does not infringe on the ability of others to marry as well. Your viewpoint is not based on any form of logic.

[dkhorse1]

The likes of Obama were not elected to President after the civil war, equality, true equality will take time. For those with no patience it%u2019s tough to take, and I admit it is tough, but in the real world things don%u2019t always happen on the time scale that people are comfortable with. Obama%u2019s election proves that times change and acceptance will happen.

[tmittelstaed]

This is the greatest thing I have read to come out of this campaign and it is why I made a career out of working at an ISP. This is exactly what the Internet was designed for.
If people don''t like being on a blacklist because they donated money then they should petition their congressional representative to permit anonymous donations of political money, or better yet, just don''t donate.
The conservatives have been screaming about Obama fun raising, claiming that some of the donations to his campaign were anonymous. Now they are screaming because the donations to yes-on-8 were NOT anonymous. So in other words, from a conservative POV, anonymous donations are good when it''s to me, bad when it''s to my opponent. That''s the language of a fascist.
NONE of these political campaigns NEED donations, think of all the good that would have been done if all the donations to both political parties during the election had instead gone to charities.
If people want to put their money where their mouth is, do it in the light of day, not sneaking around behind people''s backs. Anonymous donations of money to politics were NOT what the Founding Fathers fought and died for. Remember Taxation without Representation. How do you represent anonymous people?

[LIBNY PINEDA G]

I am really sorry for the moral condition of many people in our country. It is not a question of debate who is pro or against homosexuality. It is to define where you are. Are you a Christian or not? If you are then you have to live up to the Christian standards taught in the Bible. If you are not, you will line up with your own beliefs. It is that simple!

[tmittelstaed]

Jesus told Christians to go out and identify themselves to the world, to preach love. He did not say to go work away secretly like roaches in the wall. Remember Paul was killed for doing this. If you are a Christian you would never be opposed to publishing names of people donating to either side of a campaign.

[kansas1946]

"I was completely disgusted," Li said. "This sort of blacklist should only appear in communist countries, should not be found in the United States."
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Mr. Li apparently doesn''t understand our constitution and I would suggest that if he doesn''t appreciate freedom from oppression for everyone, then he toodle on back to China.
Anyone that wants to can boycott a place of business, or say anything they want about others as long as it is not liabelous. Your speech is protected FROM the GOVERNMENT, not other people''s opinions or distain. Get over it Mr. Li.

[sandycat2]

What a bunch of ugly nasty mean sore losers. I have found this behavior indicative of the extreme left. They want only their opinion to be expressed. And they want the rest of us to shut up.

[doorgunner3]

Just another oppressed minority -- bullying its way through blacklists, intimidation and economic terror.

How...liberal.

[doorgunner3]

Your speech is protected FROM the GOVERNMENT, not other people''''s opinions or distain. Get over it Mr. Li.
-- Posted by kansas1946


That actually isn''t so.

Proof of conspiracy to destroy others by coercion, economic destruction and blackmail can result in both civil and criminal penalties.

Of course, that would just put those standing up for their rights on another blacklist.

Pathetic.

[cbscrash072]

I voted against 8. I would like to know who donated to the yes on 8 campaign. I want to make sure non of those individuals or business receive a dime from me. All I can say is that if you want to use your business to make political donation be prepared for the backlash. Don''t expect me to do business with you if you are on the wrong side of an issue. Money is speech. Spend yours how you wish and I will do the same.

[doorgunner3]

Let''s see:

Economic terrorism.

Blacklists.

Personal destruction.

Terrorizing churchgoers.

Suing those with whom you do not agree.

Yep. Just another oppressed minority, pursuing peace and harmony with their intolerant neighbors.

[miriambk]

Wow. Attacking an elderly lady carrying a cross then stomping on it in front of news cameras. Defacing signs in front yards and damaging homes and cars. Bypassing the rights of parents by having a kindergarten class sign cards pledging to defend what they cannot understand (or even read). Blacklisting those who stand up for their beliefs(last time I checked, this WAS still okay). Nice. And being a conservative, I''m the intolerant, bigoted, uneducated hater?? Oh, okay.

[strangeworld]

I don''t know why the people on the list should be uncomfortable...they donated for a reason, right? Blacklists have been used for years by the right, yet the same people who think that they''re OK when used to out those who disagree with them on issues have suddenly gone soft when their names have shown up on other lists. If I donated $1000.00 to an effort like the guy in the story, I sure wouldn''t be surprised to see people question my motives on it.

[miriambk]

Wow. Attacking an elderly lady carrying a cross then stomping on it in front of news cameras. Defacing signs in front yards and damaging homes and cars. Bypassing the rights of parents by having a kindergarten class sign cards pledging to defend what they cannot understand (or even read). Blacklisting those who stand up for their beliefs(last time I checked, this WAS still okay). Nice. And being a conservative, I''m the intolerant, bigoted, uneducated hater?? Oh, okay.

[doorgunner3]

Honor my diversity.

Celebrate my preferences.

Endorse my lifestyle.

Or else.

[strangeworld]

I don''t know why the people on the list should be uncomfortable...they donated for a reason, right? Blacklists have been used for years by the right, yet the same people who think that they''re OK when used to out those who disagree with them on issues have suddenly gone soft when their names have shown up on other lists. If I donated $1000.00 to an effort like the guy in the story, I sure wouldn''t be surprised to see people question my motives on it.

[dkhorse1]

Vindictive behaviors from both sides?

What a way to come to an agreement and work together! Perhaps we should try tribal feuding like in Pakistan. That seems to work!

[doorgunner3]

Honor my diversity.

Celebrate my preferences.

Endorse my lifestyle.

Or else.

[miriambk]

Wow. Attacking an elderly lady carrying a cross then stomping on it in front of news cameras. Defacing signs in front yards and damaging homes and cars. Bypassing the rights of parents by having a kindergarten class sign cards pledging to defend what they cannot understand (or even read). Blacklisting those who stand up for their beliefs(last time I checked, this WAS still okay). Nice. And being a conservative, I''m the intolerant, bigoted, uneducated hater?? Oh, okay.

[miriambk]

Wow. Attacking an elderly lady carrying a cross then stomping on it in front of news cameras. Defacing signs in front yards and damaging homes and cars. Bypassing the rights of parents by having a kindergarten class sign cards pledging to defend what they cannot understand (or even read). Blacklisting those who stand up for their beliefs(last time I checked, this WAS still okay). Nice. And being a conservative, I''m the intolerant, bigoted, uneducated hater?? Oh, okay.

[doorgunner3]

Embrace my lifestyle.

Endorse my choice de jour.

Celebrate my diversity.

Or else.

[dkhorse1]

Vindictive behaviors from both sides?

What a way to come to an agreement and work together! Perhaps we should try tribal feuding like in Pakistan. That seems to work!

[doorgunner3]

Embrace my lifestyle.

Endorse my choice de jour.

Celebrate my diversity.

Or else.

[dkhorse1]

Vindictive behaviors from both sides? What a way to come to an agreement and work together! Perhaps we should try tribal feuding like in Pakistan. That seems to work!

[staycalm]

I just want to say THANK YOU to *** and lesbians for outing yourselves for what you really are...intolerant hate-mongers. I will be checking to see who donated to the No on 8 campaign and blacklisting them as well.

[strangeworld]

"Jesus told Christians to go out and identify themselves to the world, to preach love. He did not say to go work away secretly like roaches in the wall."

LOL

[doorgunner3]

I don''''t know why the people on the list should be uncomfortable... Posted by Strangeworld


The ghost of Joe McCarthy rises and shrieks with delight.

Congratulations, my friend.

You have become your own enemy.

[cbscrash072]

Wow. Attacking an elderly lady carrying a cross then stomping on it in front of news cameras.

Posted by miriambk at 08:46 PM : Nov 13, 2008

That elderly lady should be charged with inciting a riot. We have a law in California that says if you go up to a group of people with the intention of antaginizing them you are responsible for what ever happens. She should be arrested under California law.

[es48]

The divorce rate is 50%. Lives, especially children''s lives, are being destroyed by a group of people who for some unknown reason are holier than thou. Where does this group of people get off telling another group of people that they can''t get married?

No matter the color of their skin, their religious beliefs, their political beliefs, the piercings in their bodies, or their sexual orientation, your fellow man is not your enemy. You have been collectivized and turned against each other by a government and media that wants to control you. Keeping *** from getting married is not going to make your life better. The exultation you feel from having won is fleeting. If you directed all of this energy towards creating a better, less oppressive government, your life would be better.

Be free and let others do the same.

http://ewebsmith.com/gov/republicanism.html

[doorgunner3]

I will be checking to see who donated to the No on 8 campaign and blacklisting them as well.


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Posted by staycalm




Don''t do that.

It''s what they want.

Just ignore them.

[strangeworld]

"The ghost of Joe McCarthy rises and shrieks with delight."

Joe McCarthy advocated that the government hold hearings against people who supposedly demonstrated sicialistic behavior (like smoking marijuana). Those who supported gay marriage in California are simply posting the names of those who donated to efforts against gay marriage so that they know which businesses to botcott. I don''t see a problem with that. If you aren''t big enough to accept the consequences for your beliefs or actions like donating to defeat gay marriage, you shouldn''t donate.

[stick1772]

That elderly lady should be charged with inciting a riot. We have a law in California that says if you go up to a group of people with the intention of antaginizing them you are responsible for what ever happens. She should be arrested under California law.


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Posted by cbscrash072 at 08:50 PM : Nov 13, 2008

what you really mean is that she opposed you so she should just be crushed for the better of your cause.

[socialismsux]

Notice how CBSnews.com fails to report the incident in which the elderly lady was assaulted by these gaay protesters in California? They simply REFUSE to report this.

This shows their agenda BIG TIME

[miriambk]

Well, cbsnews, if people on the No on 8 side of the argument would have been calm and rational, no "riot" would have occured. If you condone attacking an old lady, and defend those who behave so poorly, then perhaps you need to examine the side in which you''ve chosen to take, and your own sense of common decency.

[miriambk]

Well, cbsnews, if people on the No on 8 side of the argument would have been calm and rational, no "riot" would have occured. If you condone attacking an old lady, and defend those who behave so poorly, then perhaps you need to examine the side in which you''ve chosen to take, and your own sense of common decency.

[socialismsux]

Notice how CBSnews.com fails to report the incident in which the elderly lady was assaulted by these gaay protesters in California? They simply REFUSE to report this.

This shows their agenda BIG TIME

[stick1772]

Joe McCarthy advocated that the government hold hearings against people who supposedly demonstrated sicialistic behavior (like smoking marijuana). Those who supported gay marriage in California are simply posting the names of those who donated to efforts against gay marriage so that they know which businesses to botcott. I don''''t see a problem with that. If you aren''''t big enough to accept the consequences for your beliefs or actions like donating to defeat gay marriage, you shouldn''''t donate.



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Posted by Strangeworld at 08:56 PM : Nov 13, 2008

Well under your mob like tactics the law abiding people are fearfull for their lives and wellfare. You''re just trying to fear people into not coming out to vote against your sick lifestyle or donate to their cause.

We see what your about and you will never win.

[cwazywabt]

This is funny.....I love it! Now G a y s think that they should Have Equal Rights.......too bad this has passed eh......Good for Cali....Prop 8 passed...now tell all those G a y Lovers to get the H ell out of dodge and go find somewhere else to live and get married.....somewhere like Canada.... LOL Being gay is a CHOICE and a LIFESTYLE....want to practice it go elsewhere to get married.....how about VEGAS????

[stick1772]

That elderly lady should be charged with inciting a riot. We have a law in California that says if you go up to a group of people with the intention of antaginizing them you are responsible for what ever happens. She should be arrested under California law.


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Posted by cbscrash072 at 08:50 PM : Nov 13, 2008

yeah and if that lady were a gay or lesbian approching a "yes on 8" protest or group and would have been shoved down the crowd would have been arrested for a felony hate crime, but it''s ok for the other side to do it.

[ixoye_02]

I see no problem with people taking public campaign information and using that to make decisions such as, "Do I want to patronize a business who supported taking existing constitutional rights away from a minority group?" The *** and lesbians as a demographic do have economic influence. And boycotts are effective at a local level. So, if these businesses who supported Prop 8 are squawking about extortion or economic terror, why did they donate to a campaign when they know that donations are public information? The people boycotting these businesses shouldn''t harass them but these people have the freedom to take their business elsewhere. It happens on many levels....people change religion, denomination, political affiliation. Economic boycotts are part of free speech. Get over it already!!
And can someone answer the question: How does the right for *** and lesbians to marry damage existing and future heterosexual marriages? It seems to me that there are mean-spirited people, especially those calling themselves "Christians", who can''t stand it when love flourishes between same-*** couples. If God is love as the Scriptures say, how can love (not ***) between two people be ungodly as the Pharisees would rant?
There are too many cultural fascists out there. And for those Christians who cannot leave gay and lesbian couples alone....why not take the "timber" out of your own eye before you point out the splinter in your neighbor''s eye...you might see much more clearly!!!

[rbsandiego1]

Let me see if I read this right, people are expecting for the supporters to donate just as much money for no when its against their beliefs, okay how about the same goes for the people who donated on No, will they donate the same for yes, because they actually raised more money. The people on no are displaying more hate, attacking old wome, getting people fired, I guess yes supporters are more civilized

[bonquishta35]

Hey Itsdemsfault, you are ignorant. Any person with any amount of sense knows that being gay is NOT a choice.

If you don''t like gay marriage, then don''t go to gay weddings!

[strangeworld]

"Well under your mob like tactics the law abiding people are fearfull for their lives and wellfare. You''''re just trying to fear people into not coming out to vote against your sick lifestyle or donate to their cause."

I''m not gay, nor do I live in California, but do believe that all Americans should be treated the same under the protection of the Constitution. If hetrosexuals benefit by being married, then it''s only fair that the same consideration be extended to the gay community. These anti-gay crusades/propositions are nothing more than spending taxpayer money to further religious beliefs. I''m a Christian, but would like to see that church and state remain separate...holding political votes to decide church doctrine should not even be considered as something to include on a ballot in the United States.