8-Year-Old In Cuffs At Murder Hearing

Arizona Boy Charged With Shooting Dad, 2nd Man; Abuse Charges Fly

(CBS/AP)  An 8-year-old boy charged in the shooting deaths of his father and another man appeared in handcuffs at a court hearing, drawing tears from some in the audience. The judge slapped a gag order on the shocking case.

While friends and neighbors disputed a suggestion that the boy had been abused, the judge on Monday proclaimed the gag order necessary to prevent "loose-cannon pronouncements."

The boy - who has been charged as a juvenile with two counts of murder - sat restlessly next to his mother, fidgeting, tapping his fingers on the table, and swiveling and rocking in his chair. His mother declined to comment as she left the courthouse.

Much of the hearing focused on court-ordered mental health and competency evaluations of the boy. Judge Michael Roca gave defense attorneys until Friday to either find an expert to evaluate the boy's competency or to agree to one suggested by the prosecutors.

Defense attorney Benjamin Brewer also asked for access to the crime scene - a two-story home where police say the boy's father, Vincent Romero, a 29-year-old employee of a construction company, and his co-worker and roommate, Timothy Romans, 39, were shot with a .22-caliber rifle on Wednesday.

Brewer complained that police questioned the third-grader without representation from a parent or attorney and did not advise him of his rights.

Hundreds of mourners packed a funeral Mass on Monday for Romero at St. John the Baptist Catholic Church. Romans' funeral was scheduled for later in the week.

Relatives and friends painted a picture of Romero as a caring father who seemed to be doing all he could to raise a polite and respectful boy.

"They were always together doing things as a family, fishing, hunting," said Carlos Diaz, a cousin of Romero's current wife.

About 600 mourners filled the church in this rural town of about 4,000 people 170 miles northeast of Phoenix. Those who could not get in crowded around an open door or sat on chairs set up outside. Romero, an avid hunter, was in a casket with a camouflage lid.

Police said Romero's son planned and methodically carried out the killings, and confessed. Authorities would not discuss specifics of the confession.

Police Chief Roy Melnick said over the weekend that police were looking into whether the boy might have been abused. He would not say who might be under scrutiny. The gag order was issued just before Melnick was to hold a news conference to discuss the case.

Prosecutors said there was no record of any complaints filed about the boy with Arizona Child Protective Services and that the youngster had no disciplinary record at school.

Former prosecutor Wendy Murphy said there is not enough evidence known yet to tell whether this murder fits the profile of an abuse victim who snaps.

"It's an incredibly unusual case," Murphy told Early Show anchor Maggie Rodriguez. "We hear about 8-year-olds accidentally shooting a gun. This was execution style. So I think it's fair to say there was something pretty awful going on behind closed doors. Police have already talked about the investigation of this child being an abuse victim. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that this child was suffering terribly horrible things behind closed doors."

Romero had full custody of the child. The boy's mother lives in Mississippi, according to officials. Police said the boy's stepmother was not home at the time of the shooting.

[nikosk11]

An eight-year-old does not pull a handgun, shoots and kills two adults, without a propper training how to handle a gun. There are a hell of a lot more in this story than we might ever know. Tragic, simply tragic.

[armydog2]

This is a young child with some very serious issues. They should be focusing on what prompted this child to commit such a crime.They handcuffed an eight year old, these guards afraid he will overtake them and escape. The poor kid is probably terrified.Is this justice?

[rrockaboo]

Where was the step-mother when this all happened?

[shanev137]

About 600 mourners filled the church in this rural town.

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I''m starting to see the problem.

25 percent of the entire town''s population goes to the same church.

[shanev137]

wow....only 3,269 people live there.

why is anyone talking anything that happens there seriously, and why is this even national headline news?

[dsr57]

Only in a backwater, geriatric, right-wing, seceded "state" such as Arizona or Florida could something this appalling occur. Hey all you 90 year old double-widers out there, let''''s export your ancient ***** for Soylent Green!

Posted by hatemorons

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ha ha ha WOW, Yeah, cause nothin horrible ever happens in the big city... Moron

[shanev137]

Where in the hell is St.Johns Arizona?

I mean how podunk are we talking here?

[carlylaine]

maedean: He is an 8 year old kid. Anyone with compassion would feel for this young boy. What he supposedly did is unconscionable. But he''s still only 8 years old.

You guys who have to vent your nasty rage and anger are acting like lunatics.

I hope he gets counselling and will be a good citizen someday.

[jimmydonn]

"NO ONE KNOWS IF THIS YOUNG BOY COMMITED THIS CRIME. ALL THEY KNOW IS THERE WAS A CONFESSION BY AN 8 YEAR OLD WITH NO ATTORNEY OR LEGAL GUARDIAN PRESENT. HOW DO WE KNOW THIS LITTLE BOY REALLY CONFESSED. THERE IS NO PROOF OF A CONFESSION! "

OK if it is not this little killer then it must be Santa, or one of the Elves!

[ocasanas]

This is odd: another poster asks if the boy is going to get the death penalty.

If that were the case (which I doubt it), there would then be a fine line between abortions and executions.

That line is: 8 years.

[sepa2]

"They were always together doing things as a family, fishing, hunting,"
Happiness never come to those who seeks happiness by hurting others (from Dhammapada)

[owlwomanxxxx]

So...what''s the scoop....they are going for the death penalty on this boy?

[kaffirboetie]

hatemorons claims there''s no evidence of young children being psychopaths. However, I would like to refer him to a case in England from about 30 years ago in which a serial poisoner may have begun his evil career at the age of 7 years old when he was thought to have poisoned his grandmother. What was proven in that case was that he poisoned some schoolmates at the age of 11 years old and after he was released from juvey at 21 he went on to poison 7 workmates. The case showed that occasionally a young child can indeed be innately evil

[maedean]

Excuse me but the kid should be in hand cuffs. He killed 2 people. Do you think they should treat him like a boy scout who just earned a badge? He kills not one but 2 people and everyone wants to feel sorry for the kid. Get real.......

[bizzybirdy]

Now they said the child killed these two grown men "execution" style! I find this so hard to believe. How could 2 MEN allow a child to shoot them if they were awake? Wouldn''t one of them have heard the first shot? It didn''t say they were sleeping, did it? And was this kid that good a shot that he could KILL them both, not even wounding one? Did he use a machine gun or what? This just doesn''t make much sense the way they say it happened unless I am not reading this correctly.

[rsmik]

This case isn''t about gun control or careless parenting. The father and his family were avid hunters and the father wanted the boy to be a hunter too, starting him out shooting prairie dogs. Maybe the kid didn''t like killing animals, maybe he liked it too much, maybe the mother put him up to it, maybe he was abused, who knows until the facts come out.

[incog-nito]

Under current he can''t be charged as an adult, period. They would have to do some extraordinary legal maneuvering to make that happen.

[docadams3]

What if it was a murder-suidice? Could the boy be covering for the father? One thing is for sure: this whole situtation is really messed up.

[waterandsand]

i started hunting at age 7,, i havent shot anyone,

[mugaluv]

batman2888
Your remarks are ludicrous (completely devoid of wisdom or good sense). He is 8 years old. I can''t believe you think an 8-year-old doesn''t deserve special consideration. He may have been abused and he may have been desensitized by video games, but to punish him as an adult won''t help anyone. Pray for the little guy; he needs to be really loved by someone who can really guide and nurture him. Locking him up for life won''t bring back his father or his father''s friend, it will only serve to crush and already broken child.