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The Queen City Motel sits barely noticed on this city's West Side, just seven minutes from the wobbly banks and new construction projects commanding the downtown skyline. At the Queen City, you find people who are living by day and by week, watching economic calamity from the outer edge of misery. Some have no cars, no cellphones, no steady work, no health plan and not enough food to fill a small fridge in a $160-a-week room. But in this political season of surprise and possibility, the presidential campaign has found an audience here even among the disheartened.

Warren Kent Vaughn and Brenda Williams were living in an empty 18-wheeler semitrailer not long ago, in love but homeless, their drug histories a drag on their dreams. Then they found salvation in Room 77 of the Queen City, Vaughn working as a live-in handyman, Williams as a maid. They worked seven days a week for chump change, plus room and board.

"It's been a struggle, but I ain't gave up, bro," said Vaughn, who was honorably discharged from the Army, got sucked into the dope racket, killed a man in a street scrap, served 14 years in prison, and on this recent day was tugging on his scraggly beard, work gloves in his back pocket. He was about to measure a window that needed repair, and then put in a smoke alarm, and then whatever. The Queen City is a low-slung, pale brick structure of 47 rooms and little charm. Renovations are underway, management says. The parking lot is nearly empty, and some residents keep their doors open so they won't miss the conversations that may come their way.

The gale forces of the economy are blowing people in different directions, driving them to their presidential choices with an intensity that this state has not seen in some time. Many North Carolinians are either running toward a candidate or running away from one, the candidates now surrogates for folks' fears and aspirations. Even with his consuming worries, Vaughn found himself drawn to Barack Obama's quest as a symbol of the change Vaughn envisioned for his own life.

He even volunteered to register the ex-hustlers on the streets he once ran. And when they shooed him away, he kept insisting. "There are no limitations," he'd tell them. "Stop saying, 'I can't.' Just try, instead of saying, 'I can't.' " After all, Vaughn had found a job and shelter that wasn't under a bridge. His prospects were on the upswing -- just like Obama's in North Carolina, he figured. Now, the one thing missing, what Vaughn craved most, was a change in how others saw him.

"I want people to stop looking down at me," he said, "and look up."

North Carolina is in the midst of a transformation its people are grappling to comprehend. The state long has been a fat red dot on the electoral map, voting Republican in every presidential election since 1976. Some believe it may be turning blue before their eyes; polls over the past month consistently have shown Obama and John McCain in a dead heat. Since January, approximately 550,000 voters have been added to the rolls, a third of them African American, and Democrats have won the registration battle by more than a 5 to 1 margin over Republicans. Pockets of political enthusiasm keep surfacing in the most unlikely places -- even at a motel for itinerants on Wilkinson Boulevard.

"If this were 2012, I'd be willing to say this is no longer a red state," said Ferrel Guillory, a longtime observer of the state's politics and director of the Program on Public Life at the University of North Carolina. "I don't know if North Carolina is as far along as Virginia is, but the Obama campaign may be accelerating that. We'll see."

Early voting began last Thursday in the state, and as of Tuesday, 543,004 had already voted -- 306,493 Democrats and 147,276 Republicans.

The Obama campaign, with the greatest resources, has opened 45 offices in the state, compared with McCain's 35. This past weekend, Obama made his sixth appearance in North Carolina since winning the nomination in late August, compared with three visits for McCain since May 6. Still, the state's political structure is notably bifurcated: conservative and progressive simultaneously, power concentrated in both parties. Democrats have controlled the governor's mansion for four consecutive terms, so now it is the GOP gubernatorial candidate, Charlotte Mayor Pat McCrory, who is running on the change theme. Republicans occupy both U.S. Senate seats, but Elizabeth Dole is in danger of losing hers in November. Her enemy: change.

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In the presidential race, the traditional divides -- blue and red, black and white, rich and poor -- live alongside struggles over faith and doubt. It is the faith that Warren Kent Vaughn has in an Obama-led future vs. the doubt that brought Pam Demarest to an outlying county Republican office in heavy rain to pick up a McCain-Palin yard sign. It was something she had never done before, done now because she was tired of passing so many Obama yard signs. It was visceral.

Demarest works full time as a nurse and teaches part time at a community college, while putting a son through college. "We're barely keeping afloat," she said. Her husband lost his job as a printer two years ago and was out of work for five months, and that "put us behind and we've never been able to keep up," she said. Her eyes filled with tears. "He says he's archaic." A husband who believes his worth has been drained from the marketplace? How does a wife deal with that? It was not that Obama was to blame. But her feelings were raw, and she didn't know quite where to take them.

"I don't like Obama," she said. "When you look at him, when you see him speaking, some of the looks he gives are condescending. He doesn't come off as somebody I would trust. He just doesn't. Sometimes you can't give a reason for that."

The state of Vaughn's and Demarest's struggles is one of the fastest-growing in America, set to be No. 7 in population by 2030, according to Census projections. Once reliant on tobacco, textiles and furniture, the economy fueling growth today is built on high-tech research, pharmaceuticals and a banking industry now reeling. Charlotte is the No. 2 banking center in the nation, but watching one of its financial pillars -- homegrown Wachovia -- crumble and get eaten up by outsider Wells Fargo was a karate chop to the psyche.

"There ain't nothing you can do about it," said a resigned but angry James Woods, who has worked for Duke Energy, another local pillar, for 36 years. He had been on the verge of retirement, "but it keeps getting further and further away." He's unsatisfied with his choices for president. He has linked the economic crisis to government failure, and government failure to the politicians running government, and that is bad news for both Obama and McCain. "I don't think either one of them can do anything."

The change they talk about inside North Carolina can be seen in the demographics, diversifying the state's culture and stirring up its politics. Blacks, who had been leaving the South, are returning in big numbers and finding comfort in the metropolitan areas. Affluent, well-educated whites have flocked to the Research Triangle Park of Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill. And good job opportunities have made North Carolina a new destination for Latino and Asian immigrants. Ten percent of residents 5 years and older now speak a language other than English at home, according to Guillory.

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It was this kind of environment that persuaded Jeffrey Watson, 33, to open a business he called the first of its kind here: a black barbershop combined with a Vietnamese nail salon called So Sharp. Lien My Thi Le grew up in Vietnam and has been in Charlotte for six years. Her English is not great, but one word rolls off her tongue effortlessly: "Obama!" She is a manicuring wizard, carefully painting nails in colors and stripes. Howard Sanders is a haircutting wizard, sculpting and lining and giving hard-luck parents breaks on their kids' cuts. Now 42, he has been cutting hair since he was 13 and is wondering if his dream to own a chain of mainstream salons can be realized.

"To tell you the truth, I live in my segregated box," Sanders said. "I have a fear of going outside the box and being rejected. By no means do I want to be segregated. I want to be integrated. I have had many chances that I just don't know how to embrace." Sanders has the swagger inside the barbershop. You can tell by the way he wields the clippers, cool in baggy jean shorts and an orange Nike shirt, an earring in his left lobe. But outside the shop, his confidence often wanes. He doesn't follow up on contacts he meets, or pursue financing that might get him where he wants to be. "It's me not knowing how to ask the right questions," he surmised. "Most importantly, it's my lack of self-esteem."

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By Kevin Merida
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by freedomobama October 22, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
America is turning very blue
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by junglejimy12 October 22, 2008 12:09 PM PDT
Obam did nothing for Chicago..all he does is talk talk talk..... Wake up already - this radical will destroy our economy when he gives away our money to Africa and the Middle East. They are his main priorities- not us !!!
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by Gary Kempf October 22, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
It would be nice if those that have been going without wake up to the fact that Republicans only deliver to select few!!!!!
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by wakeup60 October 22, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
"BLUE"..........IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL COLOR" .....!!!

THERE ARE ARE GOING TO BE MORE STATES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COLORED IN ..... DEEPER THAN THE DEEP BLUE SEA ... ON THE BIG MAP...YES, THERE WILL...BE!!!!!
COME ON N.C......YOU CAN DO IT !!!!!
GO OBAMA GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COME ON NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by interobserv October 22, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
Sooner or later, America had to sober up. Eight years of tax the poor and the middle class to the benefit of the wealthy has taken its toll. But remeber, it''s not over yet. Even though that corpulent woman may have begun opining her warm-up repertoire, November 4 is still 13 days away. A lot can happen. It is up to us who demand change and accountability to stnad up and cast our votes, making this country as blue as we can.
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by john43218 October 22, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
If the media was fair and balanced, you would hear about:

- Obama''s actual connection to Ayers and his 3 different stories on that connection
- Obama''s connection to Tony Rezco
- Obama''s connection and relationship with Father Phleager and Rev Wrigtht (Black Liberation Theology)
- Obama''s early involvement with the New Party
- The fact that there are at least two lawsuits against Obama to provide his actual birth certificate (I personally
think he probably is natural born, but the news media has not reported the fact that there are lawsuits-not
even Fox...If there was a lawsuit filed against McCain for whatever cause it would be all over the media)
- His corrupt association and funding of ACORN
- Obama has benifitted by the meltdown of the financial networks--if the media would report the rout cause of
this which Obama and his party have their fingerprints all over this--then Obama should have slid in the polls
- His utter lack of any notable accomplishment as a state and US Senator
- His lying on his record of abortion and his many, many policy reversals from the primary to the general
election


I cannot believe that America is about to elect this person. I believe with every ounce of my being that if even half of the dirt on Obama were to be reported this would be a landslide!!!
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by antoniof123 October 22, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
Posted by john43218 at 01:04 PM : Oct 22, 2008

Okay John lets discuss your question:

Ayers - no longer a concern to America Obama was like 8 when he was doing his thing. Lie by the Right Wing.

Tony Rezco - Guilt by association no substance once again another division lie.

Rev Wrigtht - disassociation him self like McCain did wiht Hagee and other right wing fanatics, so what is good for one is not good for the other nice try but once agin a lie.

I though about answering all of these but they are just one lie and cut and paste after anoher.

Go to the washingtontimes they like this kind of stuff.

But neo con know this it is happening.
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by October 22, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
I don''t care about these divisive stinking colors. Color it America with OBAMA at the helm leading us through these difficult times.
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by pr_boxer October 22, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
Wonder if North Carolina is a "blue" state?... attend a football game in Chapel Hill!
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by pr_boxer October 22, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
I wish we in Tennessee would "catch on" and vote "Blue" again, our best years were when we voted for Bill Clinton in 92 and 96.
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by bunchofchemi October 22, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
North Carolinia isn''t going to be very happy to hear that the Republican VP pick''s family just spent $150,000 of campaign money for clothes and make overs. Sarah Palin and her campaign''s handlers must think they are ROYALTY, something North Carolina revolted against over 200 years ago.
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by irmcvet97 October 22, 2008 2:59 PM PDT
Tennessee would not vote for Gore you dumb used piece of azz-wipe

Tennessee want vote for no black

maybe Memphis (80% black)

not East Tenn.

Posted by leeomoca at 02:28 PM : Oct 22, 2008

LOL You think?? LOL
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by irmcvet97 October 22, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
I cannot believe that America is about to elect this person. I believe with every ounce of my being that if even half of the dirt on Obama were to be reported this would be a landslide!!!

Posted by john43218 at 01:04 PM : Oct 22, 2008

You just don''t get it do you? I mean YOU just do not have a clue do you? YOUR slime, Mud Slinging, Lies, half Truths... all those things you used to Elect the WORST in our history just aren''t working this time and YOU can''t figure it out can you? A suggestion! RESPECT the AMERICAN PEOPLE and address the INCOMPETENCE and FAILURE of the REPUBLICAN PARTY instead of acting like a school child!!
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by irmcvet97 October 22, 2008 3:03 PM PDT
When YOU are 13 days away from the election AND are forced to spend valuable time in a state that EVERYONE conceded to you 12 months ago, you aren''t just in trouble... YOU are flat out in a Panic and it shows with McSame!!
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by washcapitals October 22, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
Is North Carolina turning blue?

Probably not but thats not what CBS would want you to know
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by washcapitals October 22, 2008 3:09 PM PDT
The media has given the democratic party that false sense of confidence. Empty threats through polls and questioning whether states are turning from their traditional voting records. Is Obama actually in the lead?? I dont know, he may be, BUT we have seen this scenario before. Statistics are the easiest to make up. They can be swayed to meet ones hypothesis. Therefore I dont feel these polls are ENTIRELY accurate, BUT I guess we will see in 13 days
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by dinkydog1 October 22, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
I cannot believe that America is about to elect this person. I believe with every ounce of my being that if even half of the dirt on Obama were to be reported this would be a landslide!!!

Posted by john43218 at 01:04 PM : Oct 22, 2008

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Face it your guy McCain has lost, your old hero Bush couldn''t get elected dog catcher in an assylum and the repub party has become the party for cave dwellers.

Meantime, why don''t you switch to Fox news, you''ll be a lot happier.

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by noamnestymc October 22, 2008 3:27 PM PDT

"I don''t like Obama," she said. "When you look at him, when you see him speaking, some of the looks he gives are condescending. He doesn''t come off as somebody I would trust. He just doesn''t. Sometimes you can''t give a reason for that."
*** I hate people that think they can''t trust Obama, and yet the trust amnesty mccain! Amnesty Mccain has shown time and time again that the only time he goes maverick, is when over 80 percent of the country DOES NOT agree with him! Amnesty Mccain wants to give amnesty to over 20 million illegals, so if that woman in the article thinks her husband would have a hard time getting a job now, just wait until amnesty mccain lets over 20 million illegals to have amnesty!
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by noamnestymc October 22, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
you stupid T.U.R.D. polisher
Obama at the Helm mean more blacks on welfare or in goverment jobs. send all the jobs to china
let the blacks works for Ronald Mcdonald
Posted by leeomoca at 02:26 PM : Oct 22, 2008
** You are the stupid t.u.r.d.! Obama would not mean more blacks on welfare, it would mean more blacks working because most illegal immigrants would get kicked out so us white and black working americans can finally work jobs here again! Rather than the rich companies that Amnesty Mccain supports that want those cheaper laboring illegal immigrants! Wake up and realize that amnesty mccain would be even worse than bush!
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by repforbarack October 22, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
Down with the neocons!



RealClearPolitics Poll Averages
General Election: McCain vs. Obama

RCP Average 10/15 - 10/21 -- -- 49.8 43.0 Obama +6.8

FOX News 10/20 - 10/21 936 LV 3.0 49 40 Obama 9
Rasmussen Reports 10/19 - 10/21 3000 LV 2.0 51 45 Obama 6
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby 10/19 - 10/21 1208 LV 2.9 52 42 Obama 10
Gallup (Traditional)* 10/19 - 10/21 2384 LV 2.0 50 45 Obama 5
Gallup (Expanded)* 10/19 - 10/21 2299 LV 2.0 52 44 Obama 8
Hotline/FD 10/19 - 10/21 782 LV 3.5 47 42 Obama 5
IBD/TIPP 10/17 - 10/21 1088 LV 3.0 46 42 Obama 4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/17 - 10/20 1159 RV 2.9 52 42 Obama 10
ABC News/Wash Post 10/17 - 10/20 1324 LV 2.5 53 44 Obama 9
GWU/Battleground 10/15 - 10/21 1000 LV 3.1 49 47 Obama 2
Associated Press/GfK 10/16 - 10/20 800 LV 3.5 44 43 Obama 1
Ipsos/McClatchy 10/16 - 10/20 773 LV 3.5 50 42 Obama 8


"Rasmussen Markets data shows Obama with an 86.1% chance of winning in November"

Zogby Poll: Obama 9.6
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by newslink October 22, 2008 3:31 PM PDT
Here in NC, everyone in my circle are voting early. And democrat.
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by bigbowler5 October 22, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
There has to be a generational shift in NC, which I think is taking place as of right now. The old white establishment who supports Repubics are in real danger of losing their power.
As for Mrs. Dole, she is a carpet bagger. Isn''t she from KS? Who the hell elected her from NC? This tells me another thing: There may be too many dumb right wing wackos there!
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by hatesthecolt October 22, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
I cannot believe that America is about to elect this person. I believe with every ounce of my being that if even half of the dirt on Obama were to be reported this would be a landslide!!!

Posted by john43218 at 01:04 PM : Oct 22, 2008

........................................
...

Face it your guy McCain has lost, your old hero Bush couldn''''t get elected dog catcher in an assylum and the repub party has become the party for cave dwellers.

Meantime, why don''''t you switch to Fox news, you''''ll be a lot happier.




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john43218 will not be happier at Fox because they only confirm all the conspiracy theories that he''s making up in his Mom''s basement. He need the affirmation he gets on this site that everyone REALLY IS out to get him. Send him some more tin foil for his head.
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by flalady41 October 22, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
I still say McCain will win in North Carolina...I was in NC a couple of weeks ago and saw McCain signs every where and only a few Obama signs. I still say that if Obama does become our next president we are all in a lot of trouble...he has a hidden agenda. I will be one of the ones that can honestly say he did not get there on my vote and will say I told you so!
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by norepubs October 22, 2008 3:39 PM PDT
Just look at the ''dirt'' om McCain. The republican party is a cesspool. An open sewer......

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I cannot believe that America is about to elect this person. I believe with every ounce of my being that if even half of the dirt on Obama were to be reported this would be a landslide!!!

Posted by john43218 at 01:04 PM : Oct 22, 2008
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by norepubs October 22, 2008 3:40 PM PDT

You need to speak to a shrink about your paranoid delusions.....
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...he has a hidden agenda
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by heartlandjim October 22, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
I''m from North Carolina and my wife and I voted early for Obama-Biden. The campaign McSame-Palin has run has been disgusting and we are ready for a change for the better!!
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by flalady41 October 22, 2008 3:44 PM PDT
heartlandjim Well my parents & brother have already voted here in Florida and voted McCain! Tired of the same ole thing here too but sure don''t want all the lies Obama is telling. Voting McCain!
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by twig221 October 22, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
If there is so much dirt on Obama, why is it that it is so secret. Is it a vaste conspiracy on the part of the entire world? Even FOX news hasn''t come up with any real facts. You are all such loonies.
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by robjk1-2009 October 22, 2008 3:51 PM PDT
Alot of blacks in NC, so Obama may win it.
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by flalady41 October 22, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
I know people don''t like to hear this, but here in our area, it is a black and white vote. I have NEVER seen the black''s so excited about a candidate. What is a shame is the majority don''t know why they are really voting for him, just like the color of his skin. That is wrong! I vote values and can not vote for Obama, my beliefs will not allow me to vote for some one like him...I know why I won''t vote for him, but most don''t care...just want a black man.
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by robjk1-2009 October 22, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
Your right, many voting based on race alone.
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by hatesthecolt October 22, 2008 4:02 PM PDT
I know why I won''''t vote for him, but most don''''t care...just want a black man.


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Posted by flalady41

... and many just DON''T want a black man. How arrogant of you to assume that Obama supporters are voting exclusively based on race. I also note that, after several weeks of keeping an eye on these boards that many many McCain supporters trumpet their race neutrality (oh, it''s just his BELIEFS I can''t support), but over the course of time they invariably start spouting not-so-carefully code words in their posts that betray their racism. You may or may not be one of them, and I try not to prejudge, but the odds of racism tend to increase the more the source decries it.
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by flalady41 October 22, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
Posted by hatesthecolt
No, you have misunderstood what i was saying. I know several white people that are voting for Obama, what I am saying is that I have never, in my town, seen so many black people wearing the t-shirts, putting signs in their yards...they even had an Obama float in our high school homecoming parade...this has NEVER happened before. I love living in America were we can all vote for the candidate of our choice, however, in my town it is turning into a black/white vote.
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by robjk1-2009 October 22, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
I listen to an report were they went to Harlem interviewing Obama supporters but using Mccain policies.

They asked one lady what she like most about Obama that he was prolife or wants to keep the troops in Iraq, she responded both.


When asked about how she liked Obama VP pick Sarah Palin, she stated she will do a great job.

I listen to three people all clueless to Obama, but supporting him.



I sure Mccain side has some koolaid drinkers as well.
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by flalady41 October 22, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
Posted by Robjk1 : I heard the same thing, but I am living it here in my county!
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by pvperson October 22, 2008 4:25 PM PDT
"I don''t think he has the guts to handle the job," said Carpenter. "I think he is a mouth full of ''gimme'' and a whole lot of ''much obliged.'' He hollers ''changes, changes,'' and you never hear what the change is."

That''s the face of the ignorant, the neo-con that doesn''t know a thing about which he speaks, he just wants an excuse to vote against the black guy.
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by flalady41 October 22, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
Something to think about.... If Barack Obama would apply for a job with the FBI or with the Secret Service, he would be disqualified because of his past association with William Ayers, a known terrorist. If he is elected President he would not qualify to be his own body guard!
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by toolmangler-2009 October 22, 2008 4:51 PM PDT
This white NC Dem is voting for Obama for one reason, (He is not republican) I wish he weren''t black only because that gives hope to the Repugs, other than that I don''t care what color he is. To me, race is a non-issue....
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by October 22, 2008 4:58 PM PDT
If Obama wanted to emulate McCain''s attack ads, we would hear robocalls in North Carolina informing America''''s patriots that McCain:

a) was in the pocket of former Lincoln Savings & Loan president and convicted criminal Charles Keating;

b) was buddies with fellow criminal Republicans Ted Stevens, Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, Trent Lott, Jack Abramoff, Don Young, Alberto Gonzales, Nick Smith, Larry Craig, Mark Foley...etc;

c) accepted political donations from the Watergate convicted criminal G. Gordon Liddy;

d) picked a runningmate mired in scandal (Troopergate) and has acted "unethical" according to her own people - - and doctored expense reports to bilk Alaska''s taxpayers;

e) gave up information to his communist captors in North Vietnam, whereas other American prisoners did NOT;

McCain has a lot to answer for, but Obama hasn''''t stooped to that level. You can''t vote for criminals and call yourself a patriot.
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by toolmangler-2009 October 22, 2008 5:03 PM PDT
If he is elected President he would not qualify to be his own body guard
Posted by flalady41 at 04:38 PM : Oct 22, 2008


None of them would woman, Get real and try to find a genuine reason not to vote Obama. We (and the GOP and Democratic party not to mention the CIA,FBI,NSA,HSA, 50 different SBIs and a lot of other letters of the alphabet have investigated both candidate 100%. Where do you get the gall to tell all that read your words that you know more than them. (And yes, they also knew about 9/11 before it happened, but thats another topic)
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by toolmangler-2009 October 22, 2008 5:17 PM PDT
Posted by TheMasses1 at 05:02 PM : Oct 22, 2008



Swinehund, Dumpfbacke, Dumkopf, Ich spreche Kliene Deutsch. Geh mir aus der Sonne!
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by my0pinion381 October 22, 2008 5:19 PM PDT
You know what i changed my mind about Obama! I think he will be better for national security and the economy!

Besides I think Sarah Palin is really a Nazi!

Breaking news:
www.chilitoz.com
Thousands of pictures of NAZI SS Officers and Adolf Hitler found property owned by Sarah and Todd Palin. Also an apparent Altar dedicated to the notorious Angel of death Dr. Joseph Mengele along with thousands of NAZi era coins.
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by October 22, 2008 5:27 PM PDT
If Obama wanted to emulate McCain''s attack ads, we would hear robocalls in North Carolina informing America''s patriots that McCain:

a) was in the pocket of former Lincoln Savings & Loan president and convicted criminal Charles Keating;

b) was buddies with fellow criminal Republicans Ted Stevens, Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, Trent Lott, Jack Abramoff, Don Young, Alberto Gonzales, Nick Smith, Larry Craig, Mark Foley...etc;

c) accepted political donations from the Watergate convicted criminal G. Gordon Liddy;

d) picked a runningmate mired in scandal (Troopergate) and has acted "unethical" according to her own people - - and doctored expense reports to bilk Alaska''''s taxpayers;

e) gave up information to his communist captors in North Vietnam, whereas other American prisoners did NOT;

McCain has a lot to answer for, but Obama hasn''t stooped to that level. You can''''t vote for criminals and call yourself a patriot.
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by thisandthat1 October 22, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
I wouldn''t live in Gooberville, NC if someone paid me a $1,000,000! I''ve been there and when you get outside the main cities, it''s still 1940!
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by windmaster12 October 22, 2008 5:40 PM PDT
America First?

According to documentation obtained by the U.S. Veteran Dispatch, not only did POW McCain promise to give the communists "military information" in exchange for special hospital care not ordinarily available to U.S. prisoners, but he also made numerous antiwar radio broadcasts.


The following is McCain''''s own admission of collaboration in an article he wrote, printed May 14, 1973 in U.S. News and World Report:

"I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size, shape and color of a football. I remembered that when I was a flying instructor a fellow had ejected from his plane and broken his thigh. He had gone into shock, the blood had pooled in his leg, and he died, which came as quite a surprise to usa man dying of a broken leg.

Then I realized that a very similar thing was happening to me.

"When I saw it, I said to the guard, `O.K., get the officer.''''

"An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as `The Bug.'''' He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, `O.K., I''''ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital

Google:
Mccain Collaborator
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by miles1967-2009 October 22, 2008 5:46 PM PDT
To read about the REAL McCain and Palin, check out the link below and send to all your friends:

http://www.rollingstone.com/
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by toolmangler-2009 October 22, 2008 6:12 PM PDT
I wouldn''t live in Gooberville, NC if someone paid me a $1,000,000! I''ve been there and when you get outside the main cities, it''s still 1940!
Posted by thisandthat1 at 05:37 PM : Oct 22, 2008



That statement makes you out a liar as there is no Gooberville, N.C.. There is a Gooberville La however and I suggest you move there. I live in the heart of North Carolina and bleed UNC Blue. N.C. Has always been blue (UNC Blue) We even have a (ugh) Dook blue. For 1.000.000 dollars there are few places I wouldn''t live (in the USA). I have been in every state in the lower 48 (cept for Ca) and like North Carolina best
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by pensacola98 October 22, 2008 6:15 PM PDT
John McCain wants to spread the poverty!!!

Barack Obama wants to spread the wealth!!!!

When you call someone a Socialist, IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!!!!
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by newlector October 22, 2008 6:45 PM PDT
I am wondering, when Mr. McCain will recognize the reality and roll over the carpet, take a permanent vacation (repairmen)after all he is a Senior Citizen
enjoy life. Why he want to condemn us with his stubborn attitude and impossible dream of wanting to become president of the United Sates of America.

This Nation deserves better, some one smart, enthusiastic, with a work plan, not a grumpy old man accompanied with one schizophrenic woman, who keep talking a lot of meaningless every single day.
She is worst that Bush, I though was going to be impossible to find some one worst than Bush, but I have to admit it I was wrong.

My advice,if you are a republican don''t tell anybody just go quitely and vote for Obama, on Nov. 4, be sincere even if you don''t mean it!!!
You gonna feel: pain,frustration, anger, disappointment, remorse, desperation if you vote for McCain and Palin........Will still have room for you, come and join us, we want to share the peace and tranquility with you....is not difficult to be successful.
Mr. McCain, I''m really sorry for your loss!!!
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