February 11, 2009 2:09 PM

Court Eyes Illegal Aliens And ID Theft

(CBS/AP)  The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide whether people picked up on immigration violations also can face charges of identity theft if they use Social Security and other identification numbers that belong to others.

Federal appeals courts have split over whether the defendant must know that the phony ID numbers belong to a real person and the court said it will resolve the question.

Federal prosecutors have increasingly been bringing the more serious identity theft charges against undocumented immigrants, including many who were arrested in raids on meatpacking plants.

Defense lawyers have argued that their clients should not be charged with stealing someone else's identity because the immigrants only were seeking documentation that would allow them to work. They didn't know if the numbers were fictitious or belonged to someone else, their lawyers say.

The Bush administration, however, has said that it doesn't matter under federal law.

CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen says no matter what the Justices decide, this trend toward charging undocumented immigrants with identity theft is here to stay.

"And if the Court says that current law restricts what prosecutors can do, then Congress can simply change the law to make such charges easier to prove.

This issue is not going to go away no matter what the Justices decide. And if this weren't an election year it's likely that Congress would be voting on how to give prosecutors more leeway to go after undocumented immigrants for identity theft charges,'' said Cohen.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in St. Louis, agreed with the administration and upheld the conviction of Ignacio Carlos Flores-Figueroa.

Flores-Figueroa, a Mexican national, worked at a steel plant in East Moline, Ill., since 2000. Originally, he worked there under an assumed name, and false Social Security and alien registration numbers. In 2006, he told his employer he wanted to be known by his real name and submitted new identification documents.

This time, though, the Social Security number belonged to someone else, and his green card number was that of yet another person. Suspicious, the employer contacted immigration authorities, who arrested Flores-Figueroa.

The five-count indictment against him included two counts of aggravated identity theft.

Federal appeals courts based in Atlanta and Richmond also have ruled in the government's favor in similar cases, while the appeals court in Washington, D.C., has sided with defendants.

The case, which will be argued next year, is Flores-Figueroa v. U.S., 08-108.

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by frankinaz October 22, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
"You know how to stop illegal imigration? You make things so miserable for anyone caught entering illegally, they don''''t come here without the proper documentation to begin with."
Absoulutely-It''s time to say "NO!" to illegal immigrants-NO Jobs, anchor babies, housing, utilities, licenses for driving and businesses, automobile ownership, free healthcare, clinics, non-emergency hospital visits, or in-state residence
college tuition in any US state.
It should be a felony to enter and remain in this country illegally, and deportation should be automatic, because there is no such a person as a
"Law-Abiding Illegal Immigrant." These people are breaking laws, making a mockery of this country and taking advantage of it, and it''s time to end their lawbreaking and drain on the taxpayers here.
If there is compassion to be shown, let the home governments and countries of where most illegal immigrants come from (Such as Mexico) show it. These countries and their governments need to be responsible for their own populations, and not take the easy way out by dumping the problems and costs of these people on the legal US citizens and taxpayers.
Illegal immigration to the US needs to be ended for good.
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by momofdaisy October 21, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
Theft is theft, no matter who does it.
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by mcdonaj3 October 21, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
They are smart enough to sneak illegally into our country and stay for years in some cases, but when caught they become very ignorant. Amazing.
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by darnedsocks October 21, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
OF COURSE ILLEGALS SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH IDENTITY THEFT CHARGES! THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW, DESTROYING AND DIMINISHING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PERSON WHOSE ID THEY HAVE STOLEN. IT IS IRRELEVANT WHAT THEIR MOTIVE IS: IF THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM; THEY ARE COMMITTING FRAUD. PERIOD. IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE. THEY ARE TAKING THESE RISKS OF BEING JAILED AND DEPORTED WHEN THEY DON''T FOLLOW THE LAW. THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS NEED TO RESPECT OUR LAWS, RULES, VALUES, AND WAY OF LIFE WHEN THEY COME TO THE UNITED STATES. THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAND OF "LAWLESSNESS" WHERE IGNORANT, 3RD-WORLD PEOPLE CAN JUST DO WHATEVER IS "CONVENIENT." THEY MUST FOLLOW AND RESPECT OUR LAWS! OUR LAWS EXIST FOR VERY GOOD REASONS!
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by csmith1948 October 21, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
brdliky6,
get back on your meds, you''re blithering.
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by cbsblogger October 21, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
It shouldn''t take the Supreme Court to decide that if someone uses fake ID and a fake Social Security number as the basis for bypassing our laws that they are committing an identity theft and a serious crime. The only question is why illegal immigrants have been getting a pass on this for years when a citizen would be charged immediately with a crime.

The second point is that those employers who hire these people are knowingly aiding and abetting a crime and need charged also.
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by greeneyes222 October 21, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
Well of course this is id theft. You can''t just make up a social security number and expect it to not be taken.

"They didn''t know" isn''t a defense.
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by connapa October 21, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
I think the big question should be, "are they having federal taxes (Withholding and SS)taken out of their paychecks under these false SS numbers?" If they are being taxed, just deport them and keep that money. I wouldn''t be surprised if one actually sues the government to get back all the money he''s paid to the government prior to deportation.
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by harbinger09 October 21, 2008 8:17 AM EDT
"The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide whether people picked up on immigration violations also can face charges of identity theft if they use Social Security and other identification numbers that belong to others."

Of course they should face ID theft, why wouldn''t they? They know THEY don''t have SS numbers so any number they have either belongs to a real person or is meant to defraud the government--the "ID" they took is not theirs so it is theft. This is a no brainer. If they can''t be charged then they are getting preferential treatment which is more than is afforded citizens who use other people''s SS number.
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by burneb October 21, 2008 2:33 AM EDT
In most cases, if you take and use something of value that does not belong to you, whether you know the rightful owner or not, it''s theft.

Even if you don''t know whether someone else may claim it, the burden is on the non-owner who took it if a rightful owner is found.
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