Stocks Plunge On Recession Fears

Dow Drops 733 Points As Fed Issues Gloomy Report, Retail Sales Show Steep Drop

(CBS/ AP)  Despair over the economy sent Wall Street plunging again Wednesday, propelling the Dow Jones industrials down 733 points to their second-largest point loss ever. Stocks fell on a combination of disheartening economic data, including a big drop in retail sales and a Federal Reserve report that said tight credit conditions are hurting businesses across the country.

The government's report that retail sales plunged in September by 1.2 percent - almost double the 0.7 percent drop analysts expected - made it clear that consumers are reluctant to spend amid a shaky economy and a punishing stock market.

The Commerce Department report was sobering because consumer spending accounts for more than two-thirds of U.S. economic activity. The reading came as Wall Street was refocusing its attention on the faltering economy following stepped up government efforts to revive the stagnant credit markets.

The release of the Beige Book, the assessment of business conditions from the Federal Reserve, added to investors' angst. The report found that the economy continued to slow in the early fall as financial and credit problems took a turn for the worse. The central bank's report supported the market's belief that difficulties in obtaining loans have choked growth in wide swaths of the economy.

"Even though the banking sector may be returning to normal, the economy still isn't. The economy continues to face a host of other problems," said Doug Roberts, chief investment strategist at ChannelCapitalResearch.com. "We're in for a tough ride."

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke offered a similar opinion, warning in a speech Wednesday that patching up the credit markets won't provide an instantaneous jolt to the economy.

"Stabilization of the financial markets is a critical first step, but even if they stabilize as we hope they will, broader economic recovery will not happen right away," he told the Economic Club of New York.

Analysts have warned that the market will see continued volatility as it tries to recover from the devastating losses of the last month, including the nearly 2,400-point plunge in the Dow over eight sessions. Such turbulence is typical after a huge decline, but the market's anxiety about the economy is also expected to cause gyrations in the weeks and months ahead.

The Dow has closed up - or down - in triple digits in 19 of the last 23 trading sessions, reports CBS News correspondent Anthony Mason. And if you take away last Friday's record 900-point rally, the Dow's been down every day this month.

Selling accelerated in the last hour of trading, a common occurrence during the eight-days of heavy declines. One reason for the heavy selling: Mutual funds need to unload stock to pay investors who are bailing out of the market.

Is there a silver lining?

Oil fell below $75 Wednesday - almost half what it was in July, which means gas prices are heading back to $3 in a hurry, reports Mason.

But prices fell because we're simply driving less - demand last week was nearly 10 percent lower than a year ago. While that's pushing down the price, it's also a sign of a deepening recession, adds Mason.

Investors apparently have come to believe that Monday's big rebound, a response to the government's plan to invest $250 billion in banks to get the lending business restarted, was overdone given the problems elsewhere in the economy.

"It really doesn't come as a shock after Monday's gains were I think a little bit excessive," said Charles Norton, principal and portfolio manager at GNICapital, referring to the market's pullback.

He contends that the government has taken so many steps that investors must now wait for some of the actions to help steady the economy.

"It seems like all the tools in the tool chest have mostly been used now and now it's back to reality," he said. "We're still faced with the fact that the economy is slowing and earnings aren't very good."

Doubts about the economy were already surfacing in Tuesday's session, when investors halted an early rally and began collecting profits from stocks' big Monday advance. Wednesday's data confirmed the market's fears that the economy is likely to remain weak for some time, and that corporate profits are likely to suffer.

Mark Coffelt, portfolio manager at Empiric Funds, said moves by European and U.S. government officials to begin investing directly in banks are easing worries about credit. But the steep pullback in stocks that began last month after the credit markets lurched to a near standstill has now created worries that consumers will spend less after seeing the value of their retirement accounts and other investments drop.

"Markets abhor uncertainty and so we got a lot of that resolved this weekend and we got the reward Monday but now people are saying 'OK, now what is the economy going to do?"'

"We're definitely going to get a slowdown from the terror of going through that," Coffelt said.

According to preliminary calculations, a sell-off that intensified late in the session left Dow down 733.08, or 7.87 percent, at 8,577.91. On Monday, Sept. 29, the Dow had its largest point drop 777.68. The Dow's massive decline marks its 20th triple-digit move in 23 sessions.

Broader stock indicators also skidded. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 90.17, or 9.03 percent, to 907.84, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 150.68, or 8.47 percent, to 1,628.33.

[txgrouch2007]

The Dow is hovering around 8,500 today.

It was at 14,000 near the end of 2007.

Will it be that hard to believe if it drops to 6,000 or 5,000 by Election Day?

[txgrouch2007]

If all these Trillions of dollars lost actually exsisted wouldn''''t they still exist somewhere? Now that''''s something to think about.
Posted by thomopolous1 at 09:56 AM : Oct 16, 2008

Yes, the dollars still exist. They are in the pockets of the persons who SOLD the stock to the current owners.

Now the current stock owners can''t sell the stock for what they paid. Too bad, so sad.

THAT''S CALLED RISK.

Yes, you can blame the bums in Congess and the White House and the Fed for MAKING the circumstances that caused the markets to drop.

But the buyers knew the risk. That''s called "legislative risk."

THAT''S what you can think about.

[t fulton]

If all these Trillions of dollars lost actually exsisted wouldn''t they still exist somewhere? Now that''s something to think about.

[payasyougo]

Apologies for the multiple posts.

[payasyougo]

"target certain specific companies to drive out of existence, as an example to other companies who try to exert undue influence to their own agenda against the interest of the public at large"
----

Lets ignore for a minute that Congress (both parties) voted for $850B in bailouts to their friends, and look at your proposed model:

Oil companies, which collectively put over $200B in additional tax revenue into the government coffers while you paid higher prices at the pump these last 18 months, should be put out of business (i.e. taken over by government). What exactly happens?

Will the government will forgo that after tax revenue that was formerly distributions to the stockholders so that you can pay less at the pump?
This government? Really? The same government that took in that ADDITIONAL tax revenue during your tough times and did what with it exactly?

15% came back to you ($160B stimulus) and 70% went to the banks ($700B bailout) and 15% went to pork projects ($150B pork component of bailout).

This government has morphed into a revenue and redistribution machine. This is not the formula for longevity of capitalism.

[payasyougo]

"target certain specific companies to drive out of existence, as an example to other companies who try to exert undue influence to their own agenda against the interest of the public at large"
----

Lets ignore for a minute that Congress (both parties) voted for $850B in bailouts to their friends, and look at your proposed model:

Oil companies, which collectively put over $200B in additional tax revenue into the government coffers while you paid higher prices at the pump these last 18 months, should be put out of business (i.e. taken over by government). What exactly happens?

Will the government will forgo that after tax revenue that was formerly distributions to the stockholders so that you can pay less at the pump?
This government? Really? The same government that took in that ADDITIONAL tax revenue during your tough times and did what with it exactly?

15% came back to you ($160B stimulus) and 70% went to the banks ($700B bailout) and 15% went to pork projects ($150B pork component of bailout).

This government has morphed into a revenue and redistribution machine. This is not the formula for longevity of capitalism.

[payasyougo]

"target certain specific companies to drive out of existence, as an example to other companies who try to exert undue influence to their own agenda against the interest of the public at large"
----

Lets ignore for a minute that Congress (both parties) voted for $850B in bailouts to their friends, and look at your proposed model:

Oil companies, which collectively put over $200B in additional tax revenue into the government coffers while you paid higher prices at the pump these last 18 months, should be put out of business (i.e. taken over by government). What exactly happens?

Will the government will forgo that after tax revenue that was formerly distributions to the stockholders so that you can pay less at the pump?
This government? Really? The same government that took in that ADDITIONAL tax revenue during your tough times and did what with it exactly?

15% came back to you ($160B stimulus) and 70% went to the banks ($700B bailout) and 15% went to pork projects ($150B pork component of bailout).

This government has morphed into a revenue and redistribution machine. This is not the formula for longevity of capitalism.

[payasyougo]

"Despair over the economy sent Wall Street plunging again Wednesday"
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Exactly who is surprised by this?

Economies slow down, earnings drop, stock prices go down. It''s been this way for decades.

[brianbwb-2009]

"-The MIDDLE CLASS has its say in all societies and needs to keep it. Obama addressed the MIDDLE CLASS issues and he is being heard... McShame is addressing the RICH class and is being heard by the Middle Class as well. LOL!" Posted by trishab58

Now if we could only organize and focus that middle class energy, target certain specific companies to drive out of existence, as an example to other companies who try to exert undue influence to their own agenda against the interest of the public at large, what a powerful tool we would have to re-level the playing field, and check the corrupt oligarchs.

[shanev137]

The silver lining in all this is that commodities prices are plunging as well, which will mean cheaper food, energy, and raw materials.

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/cfutures.html

[oneworldusa]

The middle class is finally taking charge. The economy is adjusting to our needs and incomes. Companies are now finally bending over backwards to earn and retain our business, the way it should be.
Spend very wisely, don''t rely on credit unless absolutely necessary, and the economy will continue to adjust to our abilities.

[joenikk]

If you really want to add to the unreal doom and gloom. The poll is too even for either candidate to get the majority.

Back in the real world: State government funds are about the only groups that buy all of exactly those blue chips at once. Your "major bank moves": one county cop with a laptop. Don''t forget to ''prove it'' and collect that fifty dollar fine, now guys, of they''ll all be doing it.

[joenikk]

Dear U.S. Treasury Ingravers office,

Thanks for the Moth eaten old socks.

Will return with your fourty year old baloney sandwich, when "The State" is through proving, "if they convict the guy, they get to keep it.".

[endofempire]

I think the country finally saw the big difference... Obama=higher taxes and higher spending. Yes, he is a lawyer and a very convincing one at that... A tool of the trade. You know, a lawyer, the kind of guy who defends a guilty child pornographers during the day and still get home and kiss his kids goodnight...

[cg37102006]

ok this is ridiculous. we are supposed to invest in this roller coaster ride known as the stock market for our retirement fund? up 10% one day down 8% the next? i dont want to hear another talking financial head say" stay in , dont sell, now is a good buying opportunity" that is all bull. stock traders are more schizophrenic than about everyone except for Brittany Spears. my mattress looks like a good place to keep my cash after all.

[edward1975-2009]

Hey Wall St, that bastion of geniuses, were in a RECESSION, can''t you read. And we trust these fools with our money. Can''t wait to see how they lose the 700 billion. Should have gave it to the taxpayers, at least we would have known that debt would be paid off.

[latrocinor-2009]

The GOP rushes into the party trenches to oppose.
Posted by alphaa0100

Now you get to explain whether its partisan or idealogical reasons.

[latrocinor-2009]

Why do people say that the poor do not give anything to society?

Posted by perk235

Not everyone thinks that way.

[perk235]

Why do people say that the poor do not give anything to society?

Why do you think credit is so valuable for starting a new business? People start business with credit because they are too poor to finance everything themselves.

People go to college with loans because they are too poor to finance it all themselves.

Haven''t your heard stories of people starting successful business by borrowing money from family members?

The poor include great inventors and entrepreneurs.

[stopsocialis]

Obama''s evil stance on abortion (murder) should raise flags in anyone''s heart who actually has moral character.

the man claims to be a Christian yet he believes a mother should be able to kill her baby in the womb at any point in the pregnancy.

Yet Jesus said in the Gospels that He came to bring life and bring it more abundantly.

John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

Obama vehemently disagrees with Christ.

Nuff said.