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There were not many conspicuous tributes to the legacy of President Bush at last month's Republican National Convention, but there was at least one.
It was a campaign button with the words "Thanks, W" across the top and photos of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. beneath the letters.

Conservative legal activists view the two men as remarkable successes in Bush's quest to move the court to the right, and that is part of the reason that, as the court begins its work anew today, public attention is focused less on the cases at hand than on the court's future.

It is a future entirely dependent on whether Sen. John McCain or Sen. Barack Obama prevails in November.

"A President Obama or a President McCain will likely be handed an opportunity to affect the makeup of the Supreme Court that is unprecedented in our history," said Wendy Long, chief counsel for the Judicial Confirmation Network, which was active in generating public support for the confirmations of Roberts and Alito.

Obama, supported by a strongly Democratic Senate, could be presented with three openings during his first term, said Walter Dellinger, a prolific Supreme Court practitioner who was acting solicitor general in the Clinton administration.

He said it likely that Justices John Paul Stevens, 88, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75, and David H. Souter, 69, would step down in the next four years if Obama were elected.

"President Obama is going to be able, I think, to name whoever he wishes to the court and have that person confirmed," Dellinger said last week during a discussion at the Institute of Bill of Rights Law at William and Mary Law School.

But whether that would alter the court's basic dynamic is hardly clear.

The court is roughly balanced on important constitutional issues, with four consistent conservatives, four liberals and, in the middle, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, who leans right on many issues but often joins liberals on some of the court's most controversial decisions.

Replacing liberals Stevens, Ginsburg and Souter with similar-minded justices would infuse the left wing of the court with younger leadership but leave the basic balance intact.

"What you really want to do in reshaping the court is change the median justice," said John McGinnis, a constitutional law expert and professor at Northwestern University. "That changes a lot more votes in the long run than just exchanging one liberal for another or one conservative for another."

To that end, advantage McCain.

The ages of the justices -- Souter is the youngest on the left, and Antonin Scalia is the oldest on the right at 72 -- favor the likelihood that the first opening would come from the liberal side. Stevens, although robust and in good health, is the second-oldest justice in the court's history. The fourth liberal is Justice Stephen G. Breyer.

Replacing one of the liberal justices with a consistent conservative such as Roberts and Alito -- the two McCain has said would serve as models for his picks -- could have far-reaching consequences on issues such as abortion, church-state separation, racial preferences and executive privilege.

But, as other presidents have found, justices take seriously their lifetime appointments and their legacies.

"We know from history that people generally do not leave the court when they're going to be replaced by someone they don't think is very much like them ideologically," McGinnis said.

Even if McCain has the chance to replace one of the liberals, he would face a formidable obstacle if Democrats control more than 55 seats in the Senate.

"It would be impossible for him to get somebody who's extremely conservative confirmed in . . . a Democratic Senate," said lawyer Miguel Estrada, whose nomination to a federal appellate court was blocked by Democrats.

McCain's best bet to appoint someone close to his "ideological ideal point," McGinnis said, would be to nominate a woman or a minority, who might be more difficult for Democrats to oppose. The last three appointments to the court have been white men, and there has never been a Hispanic justice.

Although there is no doubt the candidates would appoint very different people to the high court and lower federal judgeships, they also present a striking contrast in how they might approach the job.

Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, known for its analytic approach to the law, and would rely on his own thoughts on constitutional theories, said Cass R. Sunstein, a former colleague now at Harvard Law School and an informal Obama adviser.

"He knows these issues," Sunstein said. "I'd be very surprised if he wasn't extremely involved" in choosing nominees," Sunstein said, though he added that he has not had conversations with Obama about the qualities the Democrat would seek in a nominee.

Obama opposed Roberts and Alito and has mentioned Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer as models, although it was unclear whether he was looking only at the current court, rather than past justices, for examples.

Obama said in a speech this year that the court is in agreement much of the time. But on the important constitutional issues that divide the justices, "adherence to precedent and rules of construction will only get you through 25 miles of the marathon," Obama said.

"That last mile can only be determined on the basis of one's deepest values, one's core concerns, one's broader perspectives on how the world works and the depth and breadth of one's empathy."

McCain mocked such standards in a speech in May on the role of the judiciary, calling them "vague words" that "attempt to justify judicial activism."

McCain said he would appoint judges "who have a proven record of strict interpretation of the Constitution of the United States."

The Judicial Confirmation Network's Long said McCain's speech offered more details than "any presidential candidate in history" about the qualities he would look for in judges. But the judiciary has not been one of McCain's areas of specialty during his long tenure in the Senate, and others describe his interest as more of an outreach to conservatives, who consider the issue very important and have had a sometimes rocky relationship with him.

When the court narrowly decided that detainees held in the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have the right to access federal courts, McCain called it one of the "worst decisions in history." Asked two months later what prompted such a strong denunciation, he said: "Sometimes I'm given to a little hyperbole."

Both men have ready evidence that even justices they hold up as examples do not always decide issues the way they would like. Roberts and Alito are deeply suspicious of McCain's landmark legislative accomplishment, the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill, and have voted to strike parts of it as unconstitutional.

Likewise, Ginsburg and Breyer were in the majority of a case that Obama said was wrongly decided, when they struck down the death penalty for the rape of a child.

Even the charge of "judicial activism" -- which is sometimes measured by a court's readiness to overrule legislation approved by a democratic body -- is becoming harder to define. Liberals, along with Kennedy, rejected Congress's mandate on the legal options for terrorism detainees. Conservatives, along with Kennedy, set aside the District of Columbia's gun-control law.

"The parties often argue about which is the party of judicial activism and which is the party of judicial restraint," Dellinger said. "I think it's pretty much a scoreless tie."

By Robert Barnes
© 2008 The Washington Post Company

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by jay1jay1 October 7, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
And what is Palins foreign policy experience?

Sarah Palins husband was anti-American secessionist, and why was she palling around with them?
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by drputt45 October 7, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
Wasn''t Biden on the plane with Hillary when they came under fire and had to run for their lives????????? Or, did someone just make that up?
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by briannorwood October 7, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
Again, some more dubious reporting by CBS. What''s going on. Today''s newslines look like they are in the tank for McCain.

Fact is, among the four principals (Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin), Biden is by far the more knowledgable and experienced with regard to foreign policy matters.

And if you want another example of forward thinking, Biden is the only one with the guts to point out that the only long-term solution to the Iraqi problem is de-facto partitioning. He said it last year, and he said it again in the primary debates.

And you know what? He''s absolutely right again!
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by rinnie5 October 7, 2008 1:21 PM PDT
Biden is like Obama.He wants to take credit for what others do.

But you sure don''t see McStain taking credit for what Georgie has done. Voted lock step with Shrub 90% of the time. Ol yellowstain mccain.......lol
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by heartlandjim October 7, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
At least he didn''t support a group that took drug money to buy wheapons to send to Iran like John McCain did. That move helped Iran become the problem they are today. Shame on you, John McCain!!
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by usclimey October 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
I really don''t care what happened 15 (Bosnia), 20 (Keating 5), 22 (Iran Contra) or 40 (Weathermen) years ago. I think only complete eejits base their votes on past records that old. It''s what they''ll do to help this country with the war, the economic meltdown, cancerous hateful politics and an inept Congress that everyone should be worried about. Forget ancient history (though don''t EVER forget to learn from it) and deal with the present. Obama/Biden have positive ideas on how to fix these problems. Mc.Cain may be good on bipartisanship, but his tactics right now are going to kill any good feelings from the left, and he just offers more of the same on the war and economics. And Palin doesn''t even know you can''t see Russia from Anchorage - you need to be on the west end of the Seward peninsular North of Nome to do that. I.e. Palin, if inheriting the Presidency, would make GWB look like Lincoln.
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by kc629 October 7, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
At least he didn''''t support a group that took drug money to buy wheapons to send to Iran like John McCain did. That move helped Iran become the problem they are today. Shame on you, John McCain!!


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Posted by heartlandjim at 01:22 PM : Oct 07, 2008


and now he says he can "deal" with Iran, through "strict sanctions" (they McCain/Palin always make it sound like the world is a big classroom and he gets to be the teacher giving out detentions to the "bad kids") he''ll send troops in there and attack they''ll nuke us and it''ll start WW-3
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by xmanborg October 7, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
RNC is sure diggin up the dirt and playin dirty and slingin mud.

I hope the RNC remembers this when the shoe is on the other foot and they cry about it.

Grandpa McMunster / Doctor Evil is going to loose the election and the RNC is in PANIC MODE.
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by credibility2 October 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT
Geez and we were all led to believe that only the Repubs (and the Clintons) lie about things. My, my, my, my, my. Gotta'' love all of the Dem embellishments to conceal the fact that they haven''t anything substantive to share with the electorate. The smoke and mirrors routine, in addition to the carny shell game is working well with the myopic, misinformed, non-inquisitive, delusional dolts blindly supporting Obama and Biden.
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by mbourn2 October 7, 2008 2:10 PM PDT
But you sure don''''''''t see McStain taking credit for what Georgie has done. Voted lock step with Shrub 90% of the time. Ol yellowstain mccain.......lol
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Yea, and Obama voted with the Chappaquiddick Ted and the other Dems 97% of the time. (FactCheck.org) Neither one of them are all that much on change but I still think that McCain is the lesser of two evils.
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by tiddsanbeer October 7, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
Joe Biden.

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hmmmm....matches up pretty good.

Hussein, bin laden. Our Country is at risk if these two numbnuts get in.
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by easeup-2009 October 7, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
RNC is sure diggin up the dirt and playin dirty and slingin mud.

I hope the RNC remembers this when the shoe is on the other foot and they cry about it.

Grandpa McMunster / Doctor Evil is going to loose the election and the RNC is in PANIC MODE.

Posted by XmanBorg at 01:58 PM : Oct 07, 2008

BOTH sides are digging.
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
Where is the lie? Biden said he initiated the Balkans coversation before anyone else, and this article clearly states that he did. He never said that "his bill" was the one they passed. Biden is accurate in that without his involvement, there would have been no intervention at all. It is so hypocritical of Repubs to counter this because in the mid-1990''s, the Repubs were against intervening in the Balkans because "there was not sufficient economic interest" to do so. Biden pointed out that he was interested in ending genocide not making money. History proved Biden right. Why don''t you wait until after Biden comes back from a funeral this week before you start falsely attacking his record? This is a miserably dishonest, misleading headline, and CBS needs to be accountable for knowingly misleading the voting electorate during the most important election in our lives. Did McCain pay you to write this loose article, or was it the CIA? After all, almost 20 CBS-affiliated journalists since the 1990''s have been exposed for accepting payoffs, largely for propoganda efforts by Republican administrations and internal intelligence. Look it up.
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by tiddsanbeer October 7, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
Osama (JOE) BI nla DEN....

Hussein....

Good God.
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by mbourn2 October 7, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
After all, almost 20 CBS-affiliated journalists since the 1990''''s have been exposed for accepting payoffs, largely for propoganda efforts by Republican administrations and internal intelligence. Look it up

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Please cite your sourse.
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
Tiddandbeer, I am letting you know that I am reporting your last comment to the Secret Service. I hope you are arrested for treason you hate-filled, anti-American piece of fascist scum. You will rot in Hell
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by mooshe47 October 7, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
I can''t believe this. The blogs are lighting up with news about McCain rallies where people have shouted that Obama is a terrorist and that he should be killed. There are even reports that journalists have been booed and that one African-American crew member was racially slurred. More importantly, McCain or Palin have made no efforts to condemn or even respond to any of this. Yet, there is nothing about this in this site. The McCain "strategy" is leading to hate mongering and racial attacks and THIS is what this network decides to report on? What the heck is wrong with journalism in this country?
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
After all, almost 20 CBS-affiliated journalists since the 1990''''''''s have been exposed for accepting payoffs, largely for propoganda efforts by Republican administrations and internal intelligence. Look it up

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Please cite your sourse.
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My "sourse"? Try infowars.com for starters. There are literally thousands of sites documenting media corruption over the years, and much has been made even in the MSM of Bush payoffs to journalists. Hell, Fox News admitted a couple of weeks ago that the White House gives them talking points daily and directs their discussions almost entirely. Are you kidding? Open your eyes. Now, back to reporting that fool to the Secret Service . . .

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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
I''m not a lawyer, but live next door to one and he tells me a lot about what I can say and not say
Posted by archibunker2 at 02:28 PM : Oct 07, 2008
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And I can see Russia from my house . . .

I''m sorry chief, but I guess I don''t find even idle threats to assassinate, hope for assassination, or even hypothetical discussions of possible scenarios for assassination, of a Presidential candidate even remotely humorous, and neither does the Secret Service. This will be investigated and taken seriously, and I will assure that. His ISP is recorded by the site, and he will get a visit.
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
I''ve documented this discussion and will be reporting you too archie. This isn''t about "crying liberals." This is about your discussion condoning discussions of assassination of Barack Obama. I am reporting your posts to CBS and will also be reporting them to the Secret Service. I don''t care if you call me a whiner. Look at all the false whining your party has done this election. If you say it''s whining to defend threats to assassinate the head of the Democratic ticket, I don''t think you''ll get much support
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by lwc777 October 7, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
Okay, Obama is a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. Isn''t it the lawyers that messed this whole country up in the first place, including all the ones we have there now in office? That''s the single least trusted profession in the country according to polls for the last 10 years, and yet we have naive people all over the country thinking (it''s a miracle - they are going to tell the truth now?). Just because they say they will do something - DOESN''T mean they will! They get paid high salaries to lie professionally and twist words so you can''t understand what they are saying. Then they deceive people into thinking they sound so intelligent, so they get elected. WOW - That''s really what we need in office right now. What a JOKE! Let''s see a list of how they have ever helped you. But please start by listing the Bill you got from them. They are good at taking your money - just where they belong - in Washington. People wake up!
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
You enjoy the taste of Sean Hannity''s third arm chief
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
Yeah, and McCain was a POW, but somehow he still ended up being a corrupt piece of garbage who repeatedly cheated on the woman who waited for him because she was disfigured from a car accident. The "prize" he ended up with is a recovering opiate addict who created a charity so she could steal opiates from it that were supposed to go to needy children. Somehow I don''t think your lawyer theory''s gonna hold too much weight
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:55 PM PDT
Hey there archiebunker2 and tiddsanbeer,
Notice that your comments about how funny it would be if someone assassinated Obama are slowly disappearing from this site? I wonder where they could be going? I am in discussion with CBSonline, and they are in fact taking them very serious. They will be discussing the matter with the Secret Service later today and have been inundated with reports of similar discussion. Who''s whining now? I hope your cell in next to Richard Reed''s you anti-American fascists
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
You can''t find them because CBS is removing them as abuse.
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 2:59 PM PDT
Don''t give me a lecture on patriotism. I was pointing out that being a POW doesn''t give him a free pass on the character discussion, so thanks for furthering my point. My grandpa was a POW in WWII, my father was a helicopter pilot KIA in Vietnam, I am retired military who served in the Gulf war, and my brother is currently stationed in Germany. Thanks for the lecture, though.
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by sbagetis October 7, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
Ok, at least McCain doesn''t make up history, or calls Bosnians, Bosnianacs

Biden: "When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, ''Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don''t know -- if you don''t, Hezbollah will control it.'' Now what''s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel."

And this is a foreign policy expert. Yeah right!!
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 3:03 PM PDT
Where is the lie? Biden said he initiated the Balkans coversation before anyone else, and this article clearly states that he did. He never said that "his bill" was the one they passed. Biden is accurate in that without his involvement, there would have been no intervention at all. It is so hypocritical of Repubs to counter this because in the mid-1990''''s, the Repubs were against intervening in the Balkans because "there was not sufficient economic interest" to do so. Biden pointed out that he was interested in ending genocide not making money. History proved Biden right. Why don''''t you wait until after Biden comes back from a funeral this week before you start falsely attacking his record? This is a miserably dishonest, misleading headline, and CBS needs to be accountable for knowingly misleading the voting electorate during the most important election in our lives. Did McCain pay you to write this loose article, or was it the CIA? After all, almost 20 CBS-affiliated journalists since the 1990''''s have been exposed for accepting payoffs, largely for propoganda efforts by Republican administrations and internal intelligence. Look it up.

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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
You''re going to get to the bottom of whether or not it''s appropriate to hope someone kills a Presidential candidate. Good luck. Again, I''d like you to take note of the fact that many of your and tiddsanbeer''s entries are being deleted very quickly.
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by nvorr October 7, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
Ok, at least McCain doesn''''t make up history,....
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He just uses his position to keep it concealed.

RELEASE INFORMATION ON VIETNAM POW/MIAs NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
Anyone who jokes about assassination of the head of a political party, hopes that Obama is assassinated, or outright says theyu''d like to do it is not patriotic. They defy the values established by this country that 3 generations of my family have fought for in now 4 wars.
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 3:11 PM PDT
They''ve removed your comments you ***. I''ve said it now 4 times. Maybe you should write it down. THEY ARE REMOVING YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ASSASSINATION. I am online with media relations right now, and they agree with me that even idle threats or jokes about assassination are reportable offenses. Don''t lecture me you anti-American scum.
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
The first Amendment does not apply to treason. You should look it up. We have a thing called the Constitution that some of us still follow. In case you haven''t heard, the Confederacy Papers are no longer in play you fascist
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by teddie56 October 7, 2008 3:20 PM PDT
Hate is not a God-given right you know? None of us have the right to take another life, discuss the taking of another life, or even wish for the taking of another life. Any argument to the contrary is indefensible and counters every one of the many great values this country has to offer.
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by joann561 October 7, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
Nice work gun_tower. McCain''s/Palin''s character attacks have done nothing but open the door for discussions of McCain''s shady past, which is by far less known than the well-documented and entirely debunked Obama "relationships." The other thing it''s done is unfortunately bring out hate speech. When Palin was talking about Obama at a rally, someone yelled "kill him." When McCain was talking about Obama yesterday at a rally, someone yelled "Muslim" and someone yelled "terrorist." McCain smirked both times. Palin heard the "kill him" shouts and did nothing. Now today I come on blogs and see all kinds of hate speech about how people want to see Obama killed. That is disgusting, and if Obama is harmed, I think many of us will hold McCain and Palin accountable. I am not proud of my country right now. Hate must end. As someone else pointed out on this blog, we do not have the right to hate or wish harm to happen to anyone. If this were being said about McCain, I would be equally disgusted.
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by credibility2 October 7, 2008 3:58 PM PDT
There''s just as much hate, venom and vitriol on the Dem side being lobbed against McCain and Palin, but of course, it only matters when it''s the other way around. Come on kids, all together now, let''s all have a make nicey-nice moment, hold hands, form a circle, sing the kumbaya song and sway to and fro. Perhaps this naivete will make things all better now.
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by redbds October 7, 2008 4:11 PM PDT
I can''''t believe this. The blogs are lighting up with news about McCain rallies where people have shouted that Obama is a terrorist and that he should be killed. There are even reports that journalists have been booed and that one African-American crew member was racially slurred. More importantly, McCain or Palin have made no efforts to condemn or even respond to any of this. Yet, there is nothing about this in this site. The McCain "strategy" is leading to hate mongering and racial attacks and THIS is what this network decides to report on? What the heck is wrong with journalism in this country?

Posted by mooshe47 at 02:26 PM : Oct 07, 2008

Nothing that McCain is doing or saying is leading to racial incidents. No news source is reporting what you are saying here. Are you sure that it isn''t just being made up. As far as hate goes, that is nothing new on either side.
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by usclimey October 7, 2008 4:18 PM PDT
There''''s just as much hate, venom and vitriol on the Dem side being lobbed against McCain and Palin, but of course, it only matters when it''''s the other way around. Come on kids, all together now, let''''s all have a make nicey-nice moment, hold hands, form a circle, sing the kumbaya song and sway to and fro. Perhaps this naivete will make things all better now.

Posted by Credibility2

Get real; Mc.Falin and the right wing attack dogs are the one spewing venom. As long as you look for the mote in the liberal''s eye, you forget the barn door in your own.
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by thinkdeeply8 October 7, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
%u201CI saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School,%u201D said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who is backing Mr. McCain, described his fellow student as %u201Ca pragmatic liberal%u201D whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much farther to the left.
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by usclimey October 7, 2008 4:27 PM PDT
Desperation is the last refuge of a GOPig. From Mc.Carthy to Atwater, Nixon to Rove, the republicans have had a reputation that they couldn''t with an election without the lies they spread that are so voraciously gobbled up by the low-lifes they attract. There really hasn''t been anything as low as a GOPig in the Western World since.... well I really can''t think of when. You people really are the worst.
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by usclimey October 7, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
Desperation is the last refuge of a GOPig. From Mc.Carthy to Atwater, Nixon to Rove, the republicans have had a reputation that they couldn''t with an election without the lies they spread that are so voraciously gobbled up by the low-lifes they attract. There really hasn''t been anything as low as a GOPig in the Western World since.... well I really can''t think of when. You people really are the worst.
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by questionnews October 7, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
There''''''''s just as much hate, venom and vitriol on the Dem side being lobbed against McCain and Palin, but of course, it only matters when it''''''''s the other way around. Come on kids, all together now, let''''''''s all have a make nicey-nice moment, hold hands, form a circle, sing the kumbaya song and sway to and fro. Perhaps this naivete will make things all better now.

Posted by Credibility2

Get real; Mc.Falin and the right wing attack dogs are the one spewing venom. As long as you look for the mote in the liberal''''s eye, you forget the barn door in your own.

Posted by usclimey at 04:18 PM : Oct 07, 2008

A complete post there.
It illustrates the classic "You guys suck......No you guys suck.
You guys preach hate!........No, you guys are the one''s preaching hate.

Listening to Dems & Repubs argue about which party is best for America is no different than listening to The Bloods & The Crips argue about which gang is best for the neighborhood.



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by starleo146 October 7, 2008 4:45 PM PDT
I am sick of this republican destruction, They destroyed this country, and now they see they are so behind in this election, they only have one option left destroy the man that can understand these problems better, seeing he graduated summa c*uM lade and the republican in the bottom 5th of his class, who out of Mc Sames''s own lips said he doesn''t understand economics,his economic adviser Phil Gramm understands only deregulation.This is what got us in this mess in the first place. Enough of the negatives our country is in the negative now if they Mc Same and Palin keep it up as angry as Americans are it will end very badly for the republicans, the swiftboat technique will not work anymore we want you to answer the issues of today. Put these top investor CEO''s in prison for there deals to protect them and not the hard earned pensions of Americans . SHAMEFULL
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by starleo146 October 7, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Supporters who lined up before dawn to hear Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin speak at the Jacksonville Landing were still full of enthusiasm when Gov. Charlie Crist and Sen. Mel Martinez finally welcomed her to the stage.
After thanking the crowd estimated by party officials a 7,000 for "a warm Southern welcome" and saying she was so glad to be among friends, the Alaska governor first turned to some children in the audience. Thousands were turned back because of room.

Posted by archibunker2 at 04:45 PM : Oct 07, 2008

YES,and she is sent to only strong republican spots in states, so don''t look at the picture they want you to see only what it is.
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by xrepublic4u October 7, 2008 5:52 PM PDT
MCCAIN IS RUNNING HIS CAMPAIGN A LOT LIKE HITLER RAN HIS!
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by duhrer October 7, 2008 6:10 PM PDT
archibunker2, like your namesake you think you have it all figured out. Lieberman is an opportunistic addled old man who can''t figure out which side of the fence to sit on, so your reference there is meaningless. I''m impressed by your broker''s political savvy, too bad he didn''t have enough savvy to rescue your waning 401k, but I wouldn''t put any stake in his social sciences expertise. And *** RU to judge people by whether or not they have fought in a war? Are you such a helmet-head that you can''t distinguish anymore between right and wrong behavior? Go check your ill-educated mouth at the door. It''s amazing how conservatives always seem to believe that they know all the right answers. Hubris.
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by sgreen2006 October 7, 2008 6:58 PM PDT
Sarah Palin-Iran tie.
The founder of Alaska Independence Party Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American and Todd-Sarah''s political godfather, said, "My government is my worst enemy. I''m going to fight them with any means at hand."

"Vogler''s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska''s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That''s right ... Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran."
Palin''s friend and AIP chairwoman Lynette Clark : "[Sarah] is Alaskan to the bone ... she sounds just like Joe Vogler."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/

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by rmonroe401 October 7, 2008 7:06 PM PDT
archibunker2,

Caused by the democrats huh arch, lets hear some details on how that is so. Or are you just another blowhard republican with all talk and nothing to back it up. No wonder you support McCain, he is exactly the same as you.
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by donbl1 October 7, 2008 8:32 PM PDT
So, Joe Biden invented the Internet?
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by p-syrus October 7, 2008 9:35 PM PDT
Exactly as Biden says, he LED on Bosnia.

He was THREE YEARS AHEAD in providing leadership. The bill that was finally passed would not have been negotiated were it not for Biden''s making the case for action. That Biden was not himself a key negotiator of that particular bill is incidental.
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