NASHVILLE, Tenn., Oct. 8, 2008
Obama, McCain Clash On Troubled Economy
Candidates Trade Barbs Over Causes, Cures For Worst Economic Crisis In 80 Years In Town Hall Debate
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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., wave to the audience before the start of the townhall-style presidential debate at Belmont University. (AP)
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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., face the audience at the end of the town hall-style presidential debate at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., Tuesday, Oct. 7, 2008. (AP)
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Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., answers a question during a townhall-style presidential debate at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., Tuesday, Oct. 7, 2008. (AP)
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Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., makes a point as Republican presidential nominee Senator John McCain, R-Ariz., listens during a town hall-style presidential debate at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., Tuesday, Oct. 7, 2008. (AP)
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Neither man landed a knockout punch and neither man committed a major gaffe.
"This one was as close to being a draw as I've seen," said CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer. "I don't think anybody won on substance. It was a very civil debate."
Added CBSNews.com senior political editor Vaughn Ververs: "Both candidates were well-prepared to talk about the overwhelming issue concerning voters - the economy - but between the finger-pointing and platitudes, there was no knockout winner in tonight's event, something that bodes well for the front-running Obama." (Read more analysis from Ververs)
A CBS News instant poll of uncommitted voters gave the nod to Obama by a margin of 40-26 percent. Thirty-four percent thought the debate to be a draw. Seventy percent of these voters remain uncommitted. Twelve percent have decided to support McCain, and 15 percent Obama. (Read more from the poll)
The 90-minute encounter at Belmont University was moderated by NBC's Tom Brokaw and included questions on both foreign and domestic policy raised by the audience and voters participating through the Internet.
As the debate began, McCain called for a sweeping $300 billion program to shield homeowners from mortgage foreclosure.
"It's my proposal. It's not Sen. Obama's proposal," McCain said at the outset of a debate he hoped could revive his fortunes in a presidential race trending toward his rival.
In one pointed confrontation on foreign policy, Obama bluntly challenged McCain's steadiness. "This is a guy who sang bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, who called for the annihilation of North Korea - that I don't think is an example of speaking softly."
He spoke after McCain accused him of foolishly threatening to invade Pakistan and said, "I'm not going to telegraph my punches which is what Sen. Obama did." (Read a full transcript of the debate.)
The debate was the second of three between the two major party rivals, and the only one to feature a format in which voters seated a few feet away posed questions to the candidates.
"It's good to be with you at a town hall meeting," McCain jabbed at his rival, who has spurned the Republican's calls for numerous such joint appearances across the fall campaign.
They debated on a stage at Belmont University four weeks before Election Day in a race that has lately favored Obama, both in national polls and in surveys in pivotal battleground states.
Not surprisingly, many of the questions dealt with an economy in trouble.
Obama said the current crisis was the "final verdict on the failed economic policies of the last eight years" that President Bush pursued and were "supported by Sen. McCain."
He contended that Bush, McCain and others had favored deregulation of the financial industry, predicting that would "let markets run wild and prosperity would rain down on all of us. It didn't happen."
McCain's pledge to have the government help individual homeowners avoid foreclosure went considerably beyond the $700 billion bailout that recently cleared Congress.
"I would order the secretary of the Treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those payments and stay in their homes," he said.
"Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy, and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America."
McCain also said it was important to reform the giant benefit programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
"My friends, we are not going to be able to provide the same benefit for present-day workers that present-day retirees have today," he said, although he did not elaborate.
The two men also competed to demonstrate their qualifications as reformers at a time voters are clamoring for change.
McCain accused Obama of being the Senate's second-highest recipient of donations from individuals at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two now-disgraced mortgage industry giants.
"There were some of us who stood up against this," McCain said of the lead-up to the financial crisis. "There were others who took a hike."
Obama shot back that McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, has a stake in a Washington lobbying firm that received thousands of dollars a month from Freddie Mac until recently.
Pivoting quickly to show his concern with members of the audience listening from a few feet away, he said, "You're not interested in politicians pointing fingers. You're interested in the impact on you."
But that didn't stop the two men from criticizing one another repeatedly as the topics turned to energy, spending, taxes and health care.
They were polite, but the strain of the campaign showed. At one point, McCain referred to Obama as "that one," rather than speaking his name.
Obama said McCain was going to require taxes on the health benefits workers receive from their employers at the same time his plan would wipe out the ability of states to enforce their own regulations to require tests such as mammograms.
McCain countered that under his rival's plan "Sen. Obama will fine you" if parents fail to obtain coverage for their children but had yet to say what the fine would be. "Perhaps we will find that out tonight," he said.
Obama quickly followed up, saying that McCain "voted against the expansion" of the children's health care program the government runs.
The two men prefer dramatically different approaches to easing the problem of millions of uninsured Americans. McCain favors a $5,000 tax credit that he says would allow families to find and afford health care on their own.
Obama wants to build on the current system, in which millions receive coverage through the workplace, with government funding to help uninsured families obtain coverage.
The debate also veered into foreign policy, and the disputes were as intense as on the economy and domestic matters.
McCain said his rival "was wrong about Iraq and the surge. He was wrong about Russia when they committed aggression against Georgia. And in his short career he does not understand our national security challenges. We don't have time for on the job training."
Obama countered with a trace of sarcasm that he didn't understand some things - like how the United States could face the challenge in does in Afghanistan after spending years and hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq.
The debate was being held at a time most Americans have a dismal view of the country's direction.
A Gallup Poll released Tuesday showed just 9 percent say they're satisfied with the way things are going, the lowest ever recorded in the 29 years Gallup has asked the question. Asked to name the country's major problem, 69 percent said the economy. Next closest: 11 percent cited the Iraq war.
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See all 2437 CommentsTell us how your going to fix things and what distances your from George W. Bushies policies and administration. American Does not WANT another 8 or 4 years of Bush and is disasterous mess ups.
Generally, the last few weeks of an election like this very few people ''flip'' and movement in the polls is minimal.
I''m sure McCain will do well tonight, but so will Obama. I predict nothing much will change and the polls will continue to show Obama holding respectable leads in the critical swing states.
Anyone else heard that?
Posted by sly_64 at 11:03 AM : Oct 07, 2008
That is because you are not looking. I cannot bring myself to support a man who will not come clean about his past. A man who we really don''t know anything about. A man whose past and present is filled with radicals and criminals. A man who without a teleprompter and speech writer does not know what his message is.
Posted by bellschotsch at 11:20 AM
It is an appopriate mantra. Plus, from the recent commercials from McCain, I found that "war hero" McCain is no gentleman- much like a sleezee balll. we have enough of that. We don''t need a loser. Thank you.
This is NOT a great plan. It''s barely a plan at all.
Don''t fall for it.
Posted by redbds at 11:19 AM : Oct 07, 2008
Oh PLEASE! Those of us who LIVE in Chicago knows these Sleazy Stories and have heard them all... YEARS ago. All you had to do was google the Trib or Sun Times and you could have read all about it. The truth is you don''t care!! That''s right YOU DON''T care, anything to scare people into voting for McCain is OKAY with you... NO lie is to low to tell no deception is to out of bounds. You see WE know you people... YOU gave us GEORGE W. BUSH!!
Posted by bellschotsch at 11:24 AM : Oct 07, 2008
That''s all this is to you isn''t it? It isn''t about FAIRNESS or INCOMPETENCE?? It''s about GREED plain and simple. Me? My Family? We can starve to death that doesn''t bother you does it?? Any fool can see we MUST change direction or we are most certainly headed for Third World Status. Me? I don''t want to leave that to my Grand Kids. There are only 2 Candidates, ONE will change NOTHING! Frankly Sparky I''d gladly trade Jimmy Carter for George W. Bush... ANYDAY!! At least under Carter MOST of those Good Paying jobs... you know we lost over 100,000 more last month, those are HERE!!
Posted by bellschotsch at 11:28 AM : Oct 07, 2008
John McCain = George Bush DEPRESSION!!
Posted by bellschotsch at 11:33 AM : Oct 07, 2008
You are just LYING and you know it. Obama''s Economic Team is made up of Clinton Administration People... his PLAN is almost identical to Clinton''s. Thanks but I''ll have to trust the Democrats on this one... I haven''t seen "Trickle Down" work yet... not the FIRST time and we can''t afford to HOPE that finally and at last it will. Time for new blood and a NEW direction.
If Barack Obama carries out his plan for this "failed" economy with Higher Taxes and more government spending from Washington DC, Obama will return us back to the "Failed" economical policies of Jimmy Carter.
Posted by bellschotsch
Back at it again today I see!!! Why don''t you just come out and say that you''re being paid by McCain to be on here!
Posted by denny1233 at 11:37 AM : Oct 07, 2008
Oh, if only people had listened to the people who said this about GW Bush in 2000 and 2004. This nation would likely not be a f*cked up as it is.
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Posted by denny1233 at 11:37 AM : Oct 07, 2008
Right now it''s ALL about the economy. We need the best and brightest in our highest offices. Not the Grumpy Old Man who graduated at the bottom of his class after his dad and grandfather got him a free ride at the Naval Academy, and Carol Brady who took 6 years at 5 colleges to graduate with a 4 year degree in journalism from a state college. I''m thinking the elitist guy who graduated at the top of his class from Columbia and Harvard Law, and his running mate who has a law degree from Syracuse are a better choice for what faces us.
Here''s the $850 Billion Dollar Question: Which team do you put at the helm in the midst of a financial crisis that involves advanced economics?
Obama / Biden might actually come up with a workable plan.
McCain / Palin would probably suggest putting our National Parks on eBay.
Posted by bellschotsch
sure....are you? I liked McCain in 2000 when he actually was a moderate and "maverick".....he''s anything but that in 2008 because he had to swing way right to garner the $ and support needed to win the nomination.....now he can''t go back nor will he. He gave in to get the chance at the Presidency. And I''m tired of right-wingers in office that don''t live up to their word. I like moderation and think we need a tip back the other way and politics will eventually balance back out.....we''re in a terrible rut and stretch and McCain will not fix it. Sorry.
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Posted by bellschotsch at 11:46 AM : Oct 07, 2008
You are an idiot. So the only reason W''s economic plan didn''t work is because of an out of control spending Congress. Iraq 10 billion a month ring a bell? McCain wants to continue that little dollar drain. Repugs were in control for 6 of the last 8 years so McCain''s party was the wasteful spenders (which McCain was a part of) and he is a strong deregulator which is why these Banks are failing. "You can trust them to manage themselves",l talk about putting the fox in charge of guarding the hen house. Take you spinning bunch of BS to Fox where they drink the Kool-Aid your serving.
John McCain was well aware of the show and its name. He appeared at least once on Straight Talk. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. It would be nice, however, if he''d give credit where it''s due.
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Posted by denny1233 at 11:54 AM : Oct 07, 2008
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Posted by bellschotsch at 11:53 AM : Oct 07, 2008
Wasn''t there some kind of a major event that had affected the economy at the time...man it''s right there....Oh yeah, we had spent a buutt load of money on a useless war and the Oil supplies were constricked to raise prices. Boy that sounds familiar.....
When I think of McCain, I think of his wife. Not Cindy, but the first woman he promised to stay with forever. Cindy saw him in a bar, and thought "This guy wants to be president, and I want to be the first lady. It''s a long shot, but he''s looking at me like he''d like to take me to a hotel. I think I''ll go for it." Meanwhile, his wife, who had done nothing wrong, was wondering when he''d be home.
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Posted by bellschotsch at 11:56 AM : Oct 07, 2008
Um, lets see. Those are the EXACT same thing W said before and McCain says now, and looky there, it didn''t work. Isn''t there a saying about insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result...
Posted by bellschotsch at 11:53 AM : Oct 07, 2008
I lived through it too and it was NOTHING compared to the HORRIFIC situation we''ve experienced over the last 8 years. Carter did the best he could with what he was left. HE didn''t start an ILLEGAL war to line his friends pockets and his VP WAS NOT RUNNING THE COUNTRY ..into the GROUND. I''d rather have a Carter administration than have the CORRUPT REPUBLICAN MACHINE robbing us blind!!
The Constitution Press www.chilitoz.com is reporting that John McCain and Sarah Palin have recieved illegal campaign contributions from a foreign oil dignitary of Iran named Muhahamed Mikhumed Saraji
Nice try, but I don''t see any difference at all where John McCain would change the failed policies of George Bush.
He has not said anything that would show me that he has any ideas of his own that he would implement.
Enlighten me, if I am wrong, but please do not simply ape gross generalities or talking points. I need specifics.
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Posted by bellschotsch at 12:00 PM : Oct 07, 2008
No major event...THAT explains it. Your one of those Repugs who remembers things they WANTED them to happen, not how they actually happen. I''m sure the Viet Nam vets and people who stook in line to get gas may have a little different version of that time period.
This year the American people will get it right and put the Dems back in charge. The nation can''t handle another 4 years of misguided and destructive Republican policies.
Posted by midvale3 at 12:03 PM : Oct 07, 2008
If they were interested in facts and reality, then they wouldn''t be Republicans.
It''s like a bizarre cult where you make up and believe anything that enters your head, then get indigant when people don''t share in your delusion.
Posted by bellschotsch at 12:02 PM : Oct 07, 2008
Nazis? Whose in the White House right now with such an obscene amount of power that Congress has been unable to stop him from escalating the ILLEGAL WAR and driving us into RECESSION. You want to talk about Nazis some more? Huh?
Posted by downtowner97 at 12:04 PM : Oct 07, 2008
Absolutely correct. Finally, someone speaks who has a brain!
If McCain REALLY wanted to choose a valid woman for VP he had many better to choose from one comes to mind, Ms C Rice. He was not interested in choosing a woman that would represent women. He was only interested in choosing a woman that men would vote for if those men were thinking with the wrong head.
Posted by bellschotsch at 12:08 PM : Oct 07, 2008
+ repor
The problem is that McCain can''t lower taxes and keep his war machine running. Wow, you are really out of touch.
Actually it was operation Ajax in 1953, nt a four year wonder that got us there...books are good.
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Posted by bellschotsch at 12:08 PM : Oct 07, 2008
Wow, I didn''t realize you had a BA in Business. Do you think the increased Government spending after 37'' preparing for the war that was on the horizon and the spending for the Vietnam war had a little with helping the economy? FDR also started Social Security, WPA, CPA, etc to get people to work (Oh no, isn''t that Government spending). You seem to have an uncanny ability to look at a time period focusing on 1 item and saying that affected everything. I know that''s a typical conservative weakness, but most events have several underlying issues that influence it, not just lowering taxes.
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