Oct. 5, 2008
A Look At Wall Street's Shadow Market
60 Minutes: How Some Arcane Wall Street Financial Instruments Magnified Economic Crisis
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They already dwarf what has been lost on those original risky mortgages. As bad as the mortgage crisis has been, 94 percent of all Americans are still paying off their loans. The problem is Wall Street placed its huge bets and side bets with all of those fancy securities on the 6 percent who are not.
"We wouldn't be in any of this trouble right now if we had just had underlying investments in mortgages. We wouldn't be in any trouble right now," says Partnoy.
He says it’s the side bets.
"You got Wall Street firms, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers. You got insurance companies like AIG. Merrill lost a ton of money on this," Kroft says. "Everybody's lost a ton of money. They're supposed to be the smartest investors in the world. And they did it themselves."
"They did it all on their own," Partnoy agrees. "That's the most incredible thing about this crisis is that they pushed the button themselves. They blew themselves up."
Asked how much of this was incompetence on the part of Wall Street and the people who ran it, Jim Grant tells Kroft, "The truth is that on Wall Street, a lot of people just weren't very good at their jobs. It's as simple as that."
"These people were being paid $50 to $100 million a year. Some of them, the guys that were running the places," Kroft remarks.
"There is no defending," Grant replies. "A trainee making 45,000 a year would have had the common sense not to bet the firm on mortgage contraptions that no one in the firm actually understood. That is not a deep point to comprehend. Somehow, through, I will call it a criminal neglect and incompetence, the people at the top of these firms chose to look away, to take more risk, to enrich themselves and to put the shareholders and, indeed, the country, itself, ultimately, the country's economy at risk. And it is truly not only a shame, it's a crime."
60 Minutes requested interviews with top executives at Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch , Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and AIG. They all declined.
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See all 184 CommentsJust wondering....
I would like to see the rightful blame placed at the feet of Congress. I contacted several members of Congress and suggested that they should work without pay for 10 to 15 years as well as the President to cover the bailout instead of the American taxpayer.
I would like to see some rightful blame placed at the feet of Congress. I contacted several members of Congress and suggested that they should work without pay for 10 to 15 years as well as the President to cover the bailout instead of the American taxpayer.
I would like to see some rightful blame placed at the feet of Congress. I contacted several members of Congress and suggested that they should work without pay for 10 to 15 years as well as the President to cover the bailout instead of the American taxpayer.
The truth is that poor people have proven the ability to pay mortgages when terms are understandable before hand. In poor economies, poor households are known to pay back within a year even twice the amounts borrowed. It is shamefule of the media to be so irresponsible, as to make a case to sideline credit-worthy low income earners from future credit.
Cancelling the $11 billion Super Collider in Texas seemed at the time a victory of common
sense over an ill defined fanciful scientific journey.
However, discovering that those unemployed physicists played a major role in development of
the derivatives and other complex financial instruments that have led us to the abbess of the
present financial black hole gives pause for second thoughts. Perhaps the $8 billion tab of the
Large Hadron Collider is a small price to pay to keep that mischievous army of physicists playing
with their nonsensical toys and away from our real world financial markets.
Now pls do the rest of the story and expose the peopl and events that lead to the issuing of the orginal sub prime loans. The issue of loans to people who did not have the ability to repay them.
Pls talk about Johnson , Raynes and the millions they got for cooking the books at FNMA and Freddie. The Eron people are in jail; these guys are invovled with a presidential canidate, get the failure they helped cause is far greater than ERON.
Pls expose those in congress who have used FNMA & Freddie to gain votes, power, and money. I believe you will find this group is still in charge of the hen house.
This problem started with the idea private industry- the banking system should provide loans to the poor. Congress continued to expand this mandate. Since FNMA , et. al. provided a prime credit, Wall Street jumped on. They all need to be exposed and taken to task.
thank,
jboyce
Cancelling the $11 billion Super Collider in Texas seemed at the time a victory of common
sense over an ill defined fanciful scientific journey.
However, discovering that those unemployed physicists played a major role in development of
the derivatives and other complex financial instruments that have led us to the abbess of the
present financial black hole gives pause for second thoughts. Perhaps the $8 billion tab of the
Large Hadron Collider is a small price to pay to keep that mischievous army of physicists playing
with their nonsensical toys and away from our real world financial markets.
1) Is it a coincidence that the Federal Reserve and US
Treasury have an urgent need for $700B and the fact
that the International Swaps and Derivatives
Association (ISDA) is scheduled to auction off credit
default obligations for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and
Lehman Brothers on Oct 6 and Oct 10? See -
http://www.isda.org/index.html
2) What portion of the $700B requested by the FED and
US Treasury, will be devoted to covering credit
default obligations? and how much will be used to
cover "naked" default obligations. See discussion of
naked default speculation Gretchen Morgenson -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/business/10gret.html
Why not work a little harder and give people some honest reporting.
The heard of the finanical problem is created from the high oil prices. The average person would buy gas to get to work before paying a monthly morgage.
THANKS
Although the top fiancial executives declined to comment, why didn''t you simply post the names and photos of those who caused and profited from these "Shadow Markets"? You only told half the story and required no accountability in support of your findings.
Journalism is for the meek and mild it seems!
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
%u201CThe Community Reinvestment Act%u201D forced banks to issue $1 trillion in sub-prime mortgages by introducing a federal requirement that banks make the loans or face penalties.
These subprime mortgages were insured/%u201Dcontrolled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and efforts to tightly regulate those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. In 2005 John McCain, seeing the danger of what was happening co=sponsored the %u201CFederal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act%u201D which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie and would have prevented this crisis. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the Democrats blocked these efforts. Acorn (and Obama) was in the middle of this.
More detail can be found in a video on youtube.com/themouthpeace
What''s real is that Wall Street is filled with folks that are by any 12-Step program definition, gambling addicts. This won''t go away until there is a serious over haul and regulation of these markets. The problem is, I seriously doubt there is anyone in Washington currently who understands how to unravel this extremely serious situation. And, it certainly is not going to be a GOP executive team of an aging Arizona senator and a coquettish Alaskan governer.
You''ll know something''s wrong when JP Morgan or
Goldman Sachs fail.
A scam is the same as any snake oil salesman. This was well thought out,and orchastrated.
My brother had to pass 7 ethics exams, that were 2 to 3 hours in length to get his stockbrocker seat in 2001.
After the web com collapse he never used his seat.
The chain of causality for the current financial mess starts at Congress and its puppet conspirators, the Fascist Reserve and FMae/Mac, whose interest and money supply manipulations created the cheap-money environment that enabled the recklessness, thus getting the financial tarball rolling.
Assertions about a "lack of controls" or accusations against the "free market" are anti-intellectual. The U.S. banking industry is among the most heavily government-controlled; it is the antithesis of a "free market," and commensurately unaccountable.
Value cannot be defined or added in a coercive environment endemic to government. Banking''s government-centric lack of a market essence pits legislated "value" against choice-based factors that would otherwise allow real valuations to competitively manifest; market forces would have established the cost of money at levels of risk averting reckless behavior.
Wall St. no doubt threw gasoline on the fire, but the blaze was premeditated and orchestrated by the arsons in Congress. Without fabricated low interest rates in conjunction with manipulations of currency valuations via money-supply tampering, the financial vortex could not have begun its spiral.
This is too complex of a problem to think that any one bill any one person or any one party is to blame.
Bush aims to boost minority home ownership
June 17, 2002 Posted: 2:21 PM EDT (1821 GMT)
ATLANTA (CNN) -- President Bush touted his goal Monday of boosting minority home ownership by 5.5 million before the end of the decade through grants to low-income families and credits to developers.
"Too many American families, too many minorities, do not own a home. There is a home ownership gap in America. The difference between African-American and Hispanic home ownership is too big," Bush told a crowd at St. Paul AME Church in Atlanta.
He urged Congress to expand the American Dream Down-Payment Fund, which would provide $200 million in grants over five years to low-income families who are first-time home buyers.
The money would be used for down payments, one of the major obstacles to home ownership, Bush said.
It is anticipated that 40,000 low-income families -- receiving about $5,000 each -- would benefit from those grants, he added.
To encourage the construction of single-family homes in neighborhoods where affordable housing is scarce, developers would receive $2.4 billion in tax credits to build lower-cost housing in distressed areas.
The fund also would offer financial education and counseling to protect home buyers from abuses and help them get the best loan terms possible, Bush said.
You moron. Gibson describes a $60 trillion unregulated insurance market created among wall street bankers to themselves, totally unsecured, to inflate the mortgage market into an unregulated derivatives super-bubble, and YOU blame it on the underlying loans and the politicians that just wanted the ''American dream'' to be available to even low-income Americans?
NOt only did you not watch this piece, you haven''t been reading ANYTHING having to do with this latest bailout (hint: its to Wall Street, NOT main street: does THAT suggest anything to you?)
The GOP seems to hatch morons faster than unsecured mortgage derivatives...
Honestly, I feel bad, having to repost excerpts from the ARTICLE WE ARE ALL COMMENTING ON, for the benefit of the willfully ignorant American right, but here goes:
"As bad as the mortgage crisis has been, 94 percent of all Americans are still paying off their loans. The problem is Wall Street placed its huge bets and side bets with all of those fancy securities on the 6 percent who are not.
"We wouldn''t be in any of this trouble right now if we had just had underlying investments in mortgages. We wouldn''t be in any trouble right now," says Partnoy.
He says it%u2019s the side bets.
"You got Wall Street firms, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers. You got insurance companies like AIG. Merrill lost a ton of money on this," Kroft says. "Everybody''s lost a ton of money. They''re supposed to be the smartest investors in the world. And they did it themselves." "
Are we all on the same page now, at last??
I know it takes the GOP a little time to catch up...
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