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The Truth Behind The VP Candidates' Claims
CBS Evening News Reality Checks The Palin-Biden Debate
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Beginning with a specific Sarah Palin claim that Barack Obama tried to raise taxes on middle class families, saying that he voted to increase taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year.
That claim is simply false.
"Families, no way," said Brooks Jackson, director of FactCheck.org.
According to the non partisan FactCheck.org, none of Obama's votes would've raised taxes on families making $42,000.
"If you're a family, you'd have to make $83,000, maybe over $90,000, a year to have been affected by that," Jackson said.
Biden, meanwhile, not wanting the tax mistake to stand, claimed that McCain was for the same thing.
"John McCain voted the exact same way," Obama said.
Wrong again. McCain voted against the budget bill.
On the crucial, heartland issue of taxes on small business, Palin claimed Obama's tax increases on families making $250,000 would impact millions of small companies.
"You're forgetting millions of small businesses that are going to fit into that category," Palin said.
Millions of businesses? Not even close. Only 1.4 percent of small business owners, 480,000 people, make more than $250,000.
The figure is a few hundred thousand, but it's not in the millions.
On the foreign policy issue of who presidents should meet, Biden tried to claim Obama never said he'd meet Iran's President Ahmadinejad.
"He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad," Biden said.
Fact is that's a stretch. On the CNN/YouTube debate last year, Obama was asked directly if he would meet the leader of Iran, among others.
"I would," Obama said.
Then - on the energy front - there's the Sarah Palin claim a new Alaska pipeline is under way.
"And we're building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline," Palin said.
The fact is she's not quite "building."
Palin has legislative approval to plan the pipeline, but construction isn't even close, and gas flow is 10 years away.
The fact that Biden and Palin were squabbling over that 42 thousand dollar family is no political accident. Forty-two thousand dollars in income is in the range that some economists call the middle of the middle class -- the very audience both candidates were trying to win over last night.
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See all 69 CommentsThe Main Stream Media: USA Today, NY Times, Associated Press, Reuters, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc.
They no longer practice any sense of ethics, objectivity, or fairness that has been the bedrock of America%u2019s core values. They are nothing more than Advocates.
Shaving points in sports is wrong, lying under oath is wrong, selling the poor houses they can%u2019t afford is wrong, biased slanted reporting and polling is wrong!
Americans are ill served if they cannot rely on impartial fair representation of both sides of all issues in plain, unemotional, and unedited fashion, however boring it may be.
Without this, the better team doesn''t win, instead they are appointed.
Good ole fashioned honesty is taking a real hit this election
No BALANCE. No Biden problems.
Yellow Journalism is alive and well here at ABC.
Scene 1: Early morning with a Camera shot of a Television showing McCain on stage saying: Didn''t Sarah Palin do a great job last night? Mccain giggles real hard.
Scene continues with mccain on the TV saying: Palin did such a great job last night I feel bad for my old, old friend, Joe Biden. (Mccain giggles real hard)
Scene 2: Camera pans out and cuts to Tina Fey as Palin that same morning in bed wearing nothing but her glasses and giggling real hard (with the TV on in the backgroungd listening to Mccain) and with a big wink, says: Hey, can I call you Joe? amd the camera widens even more to show a character playing Joe Biden in the same bed and says, Lets play that Maverick game again!.
Does John McCain''s Campaign Own VotefortheMILF.com?
The GOP sure knows its base, you gotta hand it to them. A little digging by Govgap.com reveals that www.votefortheMILF.com links directly back to JohnMcCain.com, then on to Sarah Palin%u2019s page and a video message.
Govgap.com:
- URL Registered within ~36 hours of McCain''s Decision to select Palin as running mate
- Redirect sends users specifically to a palin.htm file, but only on the FIRST redirect
- Whois Privacy Information Matches JohnMcCain.com Whois Privacy
- URL Held by same registrar
- Note that the .net and .org versions also redirect to the McCain Campaign Website.
Network Tools.com Trace Route:
- 64.203.107.149 (VoteForTheMILF.com)
- 64.203.107.149 (JohnMcCain.com)
Posted by mr22582 at 07:36 PM : Oct 03, 2008
And Johnnie McCain has been getting government paid healthcare since birth...
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U.S. to Fund Pro-American Publicity in Iraqi Media
By Karen DeYoung and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 3, 2008; A01
The Defense Department will pay private U.S. contractors in Iraq up to $300 million over the next three years to produce news stories, entertainment programs and public service advertisements for the Iraqi media in an effort to "engage and inspire" the local population to support U.S. objectives and the Iraqi government.
The new contracts -- awarded last week to four companies -- will expand and consolidate what the U.S. military calls "information/psychological operations" in Iraq far into the future, even as violence appears to be abating and U.S. troops have begun drawing down.
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No need to ask as I don''t want to be among the grossly misinformed. Several polls taken last year showed Fox news viewers were the most likely to be misinformed about current events and politics.
If I am in public places that have it on, such as restaurants or hotel lobbies, I asked if the station could be changed to a REAL news channel.
Posted by CBScensorsU2 at 10:38 PM : Oct 03, 2008
Based on the fact that this post shows up ad nauseum and as one in the medical field might I suggest:
1) Adjust your Haldol and increase the dose
2) Not on Haldol please go to your doctor and request a prescription for Haldol cause you need it.
Now, there''s this:
"McClellan didn''t say anything opposite of that. The counterinsurgency strategy going into Afghanistan, clearing, holding, rebuilding, the civil society and the infrastructure can work in Afghanistan."
Sarah Palin
First of all, she didn''t know the general''s name. And, the actual General in charge in Afghanistan that Palin didn''t know the name of, McKiernan, said, %u201CI don''t want the military to be engaging the tribes,%u201D %u201CIt wouldn''t take much to go back to a civil war.%u201D
So, with this knowledge, there is no clearing and holding that will be taking place if the military won''t be engaging with the tribes.
Lastly, McKiernan said this: %u201CThe word I don''t use for Afghanistan is "surge"".
Oh, and Palin said troop levels in Iraq are down to pre-surge levels which is a bald-faced lie.
When Palin sends her son off to Iraq she is criticized for exploiting him for political gain. She gave a short speech at his send off ceremony. She is the Governor of the state and is involved in the Alaskan National Guard.
Biden gives a speech at his son''s send off ceremony and it is all good. And NO COMMENT section is allowed to that article. Why not CBS????
Double standards there?
" My question is does Arnold as an actor have the credentials to be Governor of California?" Answer: NO
".. actor Ronald Regan as President. Wasn%u2019t he a great President?" Answer: NO
"Why not a hockey mom as VP?" Answer: For that very reason, NO
".. Why is every one so hard on Sarah?" Answer:Because she has absolutely no credibity considering the ''scripted'' lies she spouts.
".. Ross Perot .. It seems Sarah has proven to be able to do that and has proven to be a good leader in Alaska as well as an administrator." Answer: That is very debatable.
"As far as Sarah being scripted isn%u2019t every President scripted? ..President Bush?" Answer:Didn''t vote for Bush either because his scripting was lies as well.
"Who do you think writes his script? Did anybody watch the movie DAVE? Martin, Democrat from Alaska"
Answer: There ya go, sticking your head in the sand of a movie. Sounds akin to what someone told me the other day as their reasoning for voting for McLame.."Do you like NASCAR? All the fans like him, so I am gonna vote for him too.." Yea and we should all eat garbage, a million flies can''t be wrong.
I am tired of the trickle down policies of Ronald Reagan, and the Bushes, that John McCain would like to carry on. I am tired of the Republican party trying to scare people with the threat of higher taxes. The real picture is that the Republicans have given us record budget deficits. We finally had a budget surplus under Bill Clinton, and now George Bush 2 with the republican congress has obliterated it. I am voting for the change America needs that Obama and Biden will bring us.
I urge others to stand up to the fanatical lies, and hate mongering that the republicans are trying to spread, and find out the truth for yourself. We can see who the real elitists are, the ones with too many houses and cars to keep up with. Virginians, Floridians, and others across this country, it is time to turn our government back into one that actually means something.
BB JRT Class of 1972
How about some real honesty? Also, I didn''t hear the media get all over Biden, when he "choked up," like they did when Hillary did. Also, how is it that Biden is such a foreign relations expert, when he got so many details about Israel and Iran wrong? Biden is a fraud. According to NARAL he has voted only 37% of the time in support of pro-choice legislation and Clarence Thomas wouldn''t be on the Supreme Court, if Biden had been doing his job properly. He cut off testimony of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Thomas before other women who were ready to corroborate Anita Hill''s testimony could speak. (Check out "Strange Justice.") Even the restaurant he talked about in the debates, doesn''t exist and may never have existed....He just makes it up as he goes....and people talk about being scared of Palin. She is competent and honest, unlike Biden.
But, one thing in particular is troublesome about Palin''s performance in the debates. She refused to honor the rules of the Debate, they had agreed that she would. If she will not honor the simple rules set up by the debate commission, how on earth can she possibly be expected to honor the rules set down by the constitution? Possibly the same way Bush has and the way she did in the debate - simply ignore them, and proceed to do as she likes.
Published: October 3, 2008
The Alaska Supreme Court accepted an emergency appeal from six state lawmakers who seek to halt an investigation into abuse-of-power accusations against Gov. Sarah Palin before the findings are released next week. The independent investigator conducting the inquiry plans to turn over his conclusions by Friday to the Legislative Council, which authorized it. The six Republicans, who are not on the council, say the inquiry is being manipulated to damage Ms. Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, before the Nov. 4 election. The court scheduled oral arguments for Wednesday. The investigator is looking into whether Ms. Palin and others pressured the public safety commissioner to fire a state trooper who was involved in a contentious divorce from Ms. Palin%u2019s sister and then fired the commissioner when he would not dismiss the trooper.
But, one thing in particular is troublesome about Palin''''s performance in the debates. She refused to honor the rules of the Debate, they had agreed that she would. If she will not honor the simple rules set up by the debate commission, how on earth can she possibly be expected to honor the rules set down by the constitution? Possibly the same way Bush has and the way she did in the debate - simply ignore them, and proceed to do as she likes.
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Posted by pastdue1 at 09:37 AM : Oct 04, 2008
soooo true i bet money she has never even read the entire constitution ---i wonder what her grades were in school or better yet the curriculum in alaska
Posted by ACPD5 at 09:32 AM : Oct 04, 2000
With regards to her claim on the pipeline and what fact checkers found "The fact is she''s not quite "building." Only a tiny part, for show, has been built.
Even the original letting of the construction contracts seems to be a little shady. What further complicates the deal is that all the land that is necessary for the pipeline''s construction is not quite in the bag yet. Added to this the stipulation that TransCanada receives a huge compensation if the pipeline should not become feasible.
Yes, you could say Palin is "competent and honest"
The facts of this pipeline are easily found on Wikipedia
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Posted by CBScensorsU2 "
Oh sure, so you neocons can have free week of blantant lies, fact twisting and relentless BS without opposition. Typical republican mindset.. "Only we are allowed to have a voice"
Sarah Palin spoke at a spoke at a 10th grade level!
Newspapers are written at a sixth-grade level. Say it ain''t so Joe!
Kenyatucky?
North Jakarta?
But, republicans have done a great job of netting the racist and homophobes who are always motivated by their hate.
The KKK is alive and well, it''s just more saavy now and wearing a red Vote McCain button.
You are right and she would really do a great job in that kind of position.
However, we are not interviewing her for that kind of advertising gig. We are interviewing her for the somber job of rebuilding the United States. The qualifications for the two separate jobs are starkly different.
I fear you are right, because she has her eyes set on being president of the United States and I don''t believe Sarah Palin will allow anything to deter her from seeking that position ~ not lack of knowledge, not lack of experience, not lack of ethics, not John McCain, not the Republican party. Whatever it takes , I''m sure that that little "gee whiz" "goll ***" winking little pit bull will go to any extreme to get what she wants.
I guess the rest of us are just going to have to be ultra vigilant if we want someone of character to occupy the oval office.
She not only did not tell congress no on the bridge, but she accepted the $233 million in pork barrel funding to use on other projects when she recognized the bridge to Katchikan was becoing too much of a political embarrassment. Also, she accepted, on behalf of Alaska, $135 million in pork barrel funds to build a bridge between Anchorage and a point near Wasilla.
You use the right handle. You probably believe the only time you are getting fairly reported information is if it comes from such right wing hacks as rush Limbaugh, Bill O''Rielly or Sean Hannity. Anyone who accepts Fox''s claim that it presents fair and balanced reporting is ignorant.
I repeat to you the message I addressed to mydiatribe:
You use the right handle. You probably believe the only time you are getting fairly reported information is if it comes from such right wing hacks as rush Limbaugh, Bill O''''Rielly or Sean Hannity. Anyone who accepts Fox''''s claim that it presents fair and balanced reporting is ignorant.
A friend of mine saw me years ago on TV when I was being interviewed by you, Katie Couric, as a man on the street in Washington, DC near Union Station at the beginning of your career. He told me about it, because we were both people he knew and who both attended Washington Lee High School in Arlington, Virginia. So I have every reason, knowing we come from the same school and county, to wish you all the success in the world. However, I am so disappointed how you, Katie, handled the Palin interview. I describe it as mean-spirited; a friend of mine calls it predatory. Quit trying to please your liberal friends and get back to simple human values. Be fair. You have allowed yourself to become part of the demise of honest journalism in this country. Don''t you remember when everyone was counting you out as CBS''s anchor. Now, to court the favor of your critics you seem to be treating Sarah Palin in the same unfair way you were treated when you first came on board aa CBS anchor. Shame on you, Katie. I am disapointed.
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