The Candidates On Lying To The Public

CBS Evening News: Obama And McCain Answer Katie Couric's Presidential Questions

(CBS)  In November, Americans decide whether Barack Obama or John McCain becomes the 44th President of the United States. In the series "Presidential Questions," CBS News anchor Katie Couric asks questions that move the candidates well beyond the usual sound-bites. Some questions concern policy. Others are more personal. All will give you a better sense of who these men are - and what has shaped them. What follows is Couric's question - and the candidates' full answers.

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Couric: Describe a situation when you think it's appropriate to lie to the American people.

Obama: I don't think it's appropriate to lie to the American people. I mean … you can put together a hypothetical where there is a national security emergency that is imminent. And you don't want to provide, for example, the location of our troops. You don't have to lie in those situations. You simply say, "we're not answering questions."

I don't think it's appropriate to lie. And I think that one of the things I want to change about the culture of Washington is, not just the "big lie," but also the "soft lie." The fudging, the manipulation, the spin. If we can restore a sense of trust between the American people and their government, we're going to go a long way to changing the country for the better.

McCain: I can't imagine it, to start with, because … I just think that the one thing you have to have, as president, is your credibility. I guess you could draw a scenario where Americans were facing a threat to our very existence and you had to not have them panic or something. I'm thinking out loud here. You know ... but frankly ... I don't know of any reasonable or logical scenario where you would feel compelled to lie to the American people.

Couric: What about in a national security situation?

McCain: Yeah. I was trying to imagine that. But if you deceive the American people and you want their support, and you want them to beat back this national security challenge, and you don't tell them the truth about it then I think they become disillusioned. That's happened in the past.

Couric: Vietnam, for example

McCain: Yeah. the Vietnam War. "The light is at the end of the tunnel," and it turned out to be a train. I think one of the reasons why America came out of the Great Depression is that Franklin Delano Roosevelt went on the radio all the time and had the fireside chats and said "here's what we're facing but here's what we're going to do." And every time the great presidents including some I really admire have not told the American people the complete truth, then they've paid a price for it.

[jab232]

I appreciate this series. It tells us a lot about the candidates.

If credibility is important for a President to have, then McSame just ruled himself out.

Bye bye McSame. Bye bye lipstick wearing pitbull.

Because they don''t have any credibility.

[dnsallday]

We''''re not answering questions."

That would be the hallmark of an Obama presidency.

Transparency? - "We''''re not answering questions."

Accountability? - "We''''re not answering questions."


Posted by OneAmerican6
*******************************************************HUH? Your posts suggest you are living in some kind of reverse universe.
you aren''t depending on lounge acts for your news are you?

[observantx]

I once had jury duty in a rape trial.

The upshot of it all was that the story of the rape victim changed every half hour. The story of the rapist stayed the same, time after time.
Guess who walked out a free man? The "victim" lied to cover up her robbery of the "rapist" for a cocaine habit. The facts began to fall into place after three days of testimony.

Such is the state of our current campaigns. Who has changed their story? Obama? or McCain

Gee, no contest here. McCain has spun as much as a weather vane in a Midwestern storm. First, I''m for deregulation, now I''m against it. Obama''s message has been consistent.

And as far as Sarah Barracuda... Why is she being hidden from the media? Too dumb and inexperienced to comment on current events?

[nearl4511]

I have to admit that this is the stupidest article I have ever read. talk about softball.

WHAT to do think ANY candidate would say? "O Yes, I believe it is right to lie to the American people."

Just pull this article and put someting a little more meaningful on will ya?

[bcdwriter]

Sen. McCain has already shown to the American people (well, at least the ones who actually think for themselves) that he is not credible because he lied, again when answering Ms. Couric''s question! The sad part of his interview is that the myriad of Republicans I''ve heard from in supermarkets, department stores, etc., have already expressed how disgusted they are at McCain fearing that their money will not be safe if he is President of the U.S. What shocked me was the fact that Palin is an example of putting women back-in-time with her stance of women should not have abortions even it is due to rape or incest. THAT REALLY PISSED THESE WOMEN OFF!

So, again, Americans being lied to by McCain will be a daily diet. And Palin, well, let''s just say that she''s already a "Yes" woman who is being pimped by the Rep. Gop party!

[ttkkdd]

Instead of asking those stupid, hypothetical questions, please ask questions that are relevant to lives of ordinary people, such as about education, healthcare, jobs, energy, security etc.
Please don''t ask questions like "what is your greatest moral failure" or "what characteristic about you will hinder your effectiveness as president" because we all know we will get a canned answer.

[walt1944-2009]

John McBush McCain has stated that he could not imagine lying to the American people.

This is essentially, true, since McCain would have his staff do the lying for him while he stayed stupid, which, for him, is natural anyway!
This is a trick that he learned from the champion of all liars, the Great Emperor Bush II. It''s called "plausible denial" and has been used by every Great Emperor since Richard "The Trickster" Nixon and refined by Ronald "Bonzo" Reagan and George HW (Read My Lips!) Bush (ugh!)!

SIG HEIL, I KNOW NOTHING (REALLY!!!)!!!, BUSH!!!!
sig heil, I KNOW NOTHING TOO (DUMB!!!)!!, McCain!!!
sig heil, WHAT''S THE BUSH DOCTRINE (DUMBER!!!)???, Palin!!!

[racercj30]

09-23-08 Part 2 TO: Katie
I wish Hillary and Bill would use their influence to get me on the ballot for President and Hillary as the my running mate and let the people decide on their next President.
I have advised all of them. If Hillary would have listen to she would have won.
If Hillary would of backed me for running we would of won.
I think the people deserve the best and to run right over all road blocks.
I have always consider myself Independent from any party.
And if I was President I would retain the current Candidates for their input leading to Hillary then me or the other way around. There is to much to get done and a very short time to get it done. We need a President that is going to turn the government upside down and inside out to make plans that work and cost effective without suffering quality in all aspect of change.
And find out why there was a bridge build go to no where or what can we do to make that bridge go some where. Maybe to a oil refinery.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

09-24-08
Hi Katie
Also send these questions on to other News Host to be asked. And anything else that I send you.

What kind of questions are them: no cares about their favorite movies, and the other one we know better.
My question is would these Candidates be willing to allow my name placed on the ballot for President with Hillary as my running mate in a stipulation that if I win that the other Candidates remain as counsel directly under for their input and advice and their delegacy of operation to work together.
I truly believe that Hillary has to much knowledge in these matters to lose her.
I also know I have the best plans for the people of the United States on the economy and other reform.
So the big question is do we the people let laws on the books prevent us from having the best government possible or do we change it the way government is for the best of all.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

I can''t believe that I was tring to run for President and you people did not have a copy of my email address on file.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[syap78]

%u201COBAMA AND AYERS PUSHED RADICALISM ON SCHOOLS%u201D

MUST READ!!!!


Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.


AP
Bill Ayers.
The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama''s first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers''s home.

The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I''ve recently spent days looking through them.

[smurfcrusher]

Perhaps she should have asked McCain WHY he''s lying when he says he doesn''t lie.

[wogerwabbit]

Posted by syap78 at 09:32 PM : Sep 23, 2008

it must be tough to be so irrelevant... you must need the trump card... Keating 5. Game. Set. Match. Next!

[broncfan1661]

I think we are being lied to right now concerning the Wall Street buyout deal.
This is criminal extortion and is the Bush administration''s last rip off of the American People.
Now the FBI is investigating the very companies that are getting the taxpayers money. How convenient. Let''s have an investigation right away so it will be completed this year and let''s find some scapegoats to take the blame so that the real crooks get off scott free with our money. If left until the new administration takes over in January they might find out who the real criminals are.

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-23-08
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
We need to go back in time and make the wrongs right.
Part 4. If a Company failing the Government should ask why? Are we to blame? What can we do? Printing money is not always the answer.
All must amend their taxes for that year or pay higher taxes on that wage increase.
Believe me this all goes with the rest of the plans that I have especial the Universal Health Care Plan in paying for it.
I don%u2019t believe in lowing the taxes but raising the wages to the proper level to support all.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-23-08
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
We need to go back in time and make the wrongs right.
Part 3. Government needs to protect our companies and the people need to be able to count on their jobs and pensions being there.
So for anyone who has lost a pension the government should insure it and restore it by honor it through the government.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-23-08
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
We need to go back in time and make the wrongs right.
Part 2. Then add the adjustment from the last Minimum wage to the $10.00 as a increase for everyone pay. Example let say a person received a $3.00 increase at minimum wage then so would the person would made $100,000.00 a year.
Then in the first of 2009 make it effective that the Minimum Wage is $12.00 an Hour.
We all need to go back in price of consumer staples to the year of 2005 before all of this got out of hand.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-23-08 I need more than 1500 character letters
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
We need to go back in time and make the wrongs right.
Part 1. If we was to go back to the year of 2005 and change the Minimum Wage to $10.00 an hour but first do a reform of wages let say since 2005 any business that gave yearly raises and bonuses have the raises and bonuses added up for that company and divided equally among employees ( this would create more spending power for the person who received a less of a increase based on a yearly pay than someone in a higher bracket. So compute that.).
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[ericdrexil]

Often this site is full of name calling and firebreathing rhetoric. Its like trying to reason with a screaming child. Conspiracy theories and liar vs. liar accusations doesn''t make for interesting reading.

[sealjr23]

Salih-Ibn

You just made my day! That was hilarious!

[txpatriot4us]

John Mc Cain knows that if you Tell the Same Lie often enough it is believed as fact by some dim witted morons.

[hicktick]

Remember when we were talking about the new world order and everyone was laughing at us , well Bush is putting in part one now before he leaves office It aint funny now do some reasearch wake up

[papi305]

Katie I know it''s to late to ask because you already taped the interview with Palin. I just hope you will ask the tough hard questions and not soft shoe Sarah Palin so the American people can really see her as the dip *** she really is.

[wardoglrs]

I wonder who amongst us really understands the meaning written into our great founding documents. I am forced to ask of anyone who cares to answer; are we not a nation of the people? Is it that difficult to comprehend that the statement in the Preamble to the Constitution, %u201CWe the People of the United States%u2026 do ordain and establish%u201D means just what it says?

It does not say that king George, or queen Nancy have granted certain powers or rights to the people. It does not say that the government has any rights, nor can it commandeer powers not specifically granted. It does not make mention of the fact that the Constitution can be changed at the whim of the president or the judiciary. It does not state at any time that the Congress may legislate in areas not specifically enumerated. And it does not state in any clause, paragraph, or section that we the people may not tear this government apart and rebuild

[smurfcrusher]

"...We don''''t like liars and we don''''t like elitists. McCain is both. More importantly, his handlers are the same Rove-bots who brought us Bush.

Nuff said."

Posted by gun_tower

Personally I LOVE it when McCain lies. He''s such a bad liar, people do double-takes when he speaks.

Fortunately he does it frequently, and probably 70% of his audience is aware of it. Some of them shrug it off, kind of like the price of doing business.

Others aren''t so kind, and see the clear ethical contrast with Barack Obama.

As a result, more than 50% of likely voters support Barack Obama.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are witnessing the start of the long-term decline of the Republican party.

GOOD RIDDANCE

[braintech-2009]

Having imaged thousands of people''s brains, I would love to perform both a Brain S.P.E.C.T.(for brain function) and Brain P.E.T.(for glucose brain function) on each Presidential candidate to see who really is Brain Healthy...because I want the avoid a president with Alzheimer''s Dementia(like which button do i push? or where is the White house?)

[braintech-2009]

Having imaged thousands of people''s brains, I would love to perform both a Brain S.P.E.C.T.(for brain function) and Brain P.E.T.(for glucose brain function) on each Presidential candidate to see who really is Brain Healthy...because I want the avoid a president with Alzheimer''s Dementia(like which button do i push? or where is the White house?)

[braintech-2009]

Having imaged thousands of people''s brains, I would love to perform both a Brain S.P.E.C.T.(for brain function) and Brain P.E.T.(for glucose brain function) on each Presidential candidate to see who really is Brain Healthy...because I want the avoid a president with Alzheimer''s Dementia(like which button do i push? or where is the White house?)

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-24-08
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
Part 4. G. And anyone with this proposal of getting $2000.00 a month from SS should have free health coverage%u2019s with no-co pay. Why should the person receiving a benefit who is poor because of the amount they are presently receiving have to pay for another benefit for health coverage. Why isn%u2019t that all part of the package.
H. People receiving SSI is totally depending on that individual situation and a Case worker assigned & assessment to receive the same and for what period described. Three months, Six months, Nine months, One year and is there a remedy. Part time service work.
I. If your Social Security is project or is more that $2,000.00 a month you receive the Higher amount.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-24-08
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
Part 3. D. All people receiving SSD, SS should receive a minimum of $2000.00 a month across the board to live on and have a option to have any other benefit included in that but in addition too with full rights to change that at anytime.
E. The working class under age 66 must pay for this to insure their own peace of mind when they become eligible for these benefits or need to count on these benefits.
F. Stand for %u201CF%u201D, It is a disgrace to the Government to deny anyone of these benefit when then need them based on a Disability. I find it a disgrace that there might be a need for a attorney to get what is deserving to that Party in the first place. I think these people who work for the Social Security office should be fired for gross negligence. For knowing that some people will go without to meet their quota. Quota%u2019s should be outlawed no matter what the issue is in penalizing people.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-24-08
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
Part 2. Social Security reform is desperately needed and under my plan of Universal Health Care it would be reformed and a slight increase in withholding tax to make up the different if needed.
A. Why is there earning cap at all? This is a benefit and should be paid as one.
B. Let taxes be paid at the normal rate for under age 66.
C. The exception is for people receive SSD and want to try to work, they should fall in the same category as the Retirees over 66 without the threat of losing their benefit if they work, not know if they can or how long they can, without limits.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-24-08 Social Security
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
Part 1. President Bush mention Minimum Wage and Social Security reform four year ago with a little bit of a increase in the minimum wage not enough and to late to make a different it just not current to the time. Social Security has had a little reform, starting in 2008 for retirees on earning limits if you are 66 you may keep all SS no matter how much you earn but if your under 66 there is a earnings limit to pay back start at $13,560.00 and yes were have received year cost of living increases to little to late.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[racercj30]

We need to be able to live too.

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-24-08
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
I think that all Schools should be Federally fund through tax revenue for what ever their needs maybe bussing, books, computer supplies, arts, extra curriculum, safety undercover cops, buildings and maintenance, teachers and Staff and their access to education materials, new school if need, what ever the need maybe, field trips maybe require a scared straight program for in the summer before the Senior year for time behind bars based on grades the better the grade the less time to spend in a health environment of course. Okay the Federal government receives the money and feed it out to the states based on needs the State and Local governments and parents have the say of what they would like. One place holding the money is better than two especial when they can print it. With follow up reports to the Federal Government the State should already be following up. I just watch a Governor debate today they all have different ideas, this just one state what about all the rest.
At age 18 one year boot camp to learn how to defend themselves.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[smurfcrusher]

"McCain aide%u2019s firm was paid by Freddie Mac
The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by McCain "

"WASHINGTON - One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain%u2019s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26859857/

[armydog2]

mccain and palin are the liars here they wouldn''t know the truth if it bit them on the as-s.

[racercj30]

To: Katie Couric 09-23-08 I need more than 1500 character letters
Please provide to All Candidates & to ask them if they agree with this and response
Katie I am broke and homeless I can not afford to subscribe to your newsletter or for all the other ones listed on CBS
Would you do something for me and tell FOX to fix their TV signal so that I can see TYRA without having to undo the converter box.
What are these Candidates going to do about the high cost of cell phone Bell created the phone and I don''t think made a whole lot off of it compared to one year of a cell phone Company.
I need about a plan with about 14400 mins a month for a price of $29.99 a month.
Kevin S. Gerig / [e-mail]

[spiritwalk]

Can anyone name one politician that does not, has not lied?
Can anyone here actually say that they, themselves, can get through an entire day without telling at least one lie? (White lies and social lies count. If you color away that gray, its a lie. If you wear black because it is slimming, that''s a lie.)
BS is part of the human condition. It would be almost unnatural for someone to never lie.
When you lie you are responsible for giving someone a false perspective of reality. Therefore every lie you have been told has altered you concept of reality.
That is why you never know who you or anyone else really is because you make you judgment based on false data.
You are better off assuming that everything you hear is a lie and dealing with it that way. Don''t try to find out what the candidates are lying about, concentrate on finding what they are saying is the truth. It''s much less complicated.

[negrovote-]

Obama is now back-tracking on all his promises of free give aways to voters that he made during the primary in order to take votes from Hillary.

[jjp735i]

Has either of these men seen their own ads?

Who are they kidding?

[spiritwalk]

Has either of these men seen their own ads?

Who are they kidding?
Posted by jjp735i

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Joe Biden addressed that issue yesterday. In the morning Biden said that he thought the ad mocking McCain for saying he did not know how to email was wrong and uncalled for. He went on to say that Obama had not seen the ad before he endorsed it.
Later that afternoon Biden said that he had not actually seen the ad himself and that Obama actually had seen the ad before he endorsed it and that there was nothing wrong with it.
What was the topic? Oh yes, "Do candidates lie?"

[usapride70]

"McCain aide%u2019s firm was paid by Freddie Mac
The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by McCain "

"WASHINGTON - One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain%u2019s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement."

http://www.msnbc.msn.co
m/id/26859857/


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Posted by smurfcrusher at 03:18 AM : Sep 24, 2008


Who have Fannie May and Freddie Mac been paying?

From 1989 to 2008 the top four recipients of Fannie May and Freddie Mac cash as campaign contributions were:

1. Dodd, Christopher J
S
D-CT
$133,900

2. Kerry, John
S
D-MA
$111,000

3. Obama, Barack
S
D-IL
$105,849

4. Clinton, Hillary
S
D-NY
$75,550

This looks a trifle dodgy and smacks of corporate welfairism. Wasn''t Obama meant to be whiter than white on campaign contributions? Some questions need to be asked. What were the two mortgage giants hoping for in return? Why did they switch from financing Republicans to Democrats as soon as the Republicans lost its majority in Congress? Why have they given money to the 4 most important Democrats for their business (Dodd chairs the Senate Banking committee)? What were they expecting in return?

[usapride70]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75586

A review of Federal Election Commission records back to 1989 reveals Obama in his three complete years in the Senate is the second largest recipient of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae campaign contributions, behind only Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the powerful chairman of the Senate banking committee. Dodd was first elected to the Senate in 1980.

In contrast, McCain warned of the coming mortgage crisis as he pressed in 2005 for regulatory reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac %u2013 known as government-sponsored entities or GSEs %u2013 and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market," McCain said on the floor of the Senate in 2005, speaking in favor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005.

McCain pointed out Fannie Mae''s regulator had stated the company''s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company''s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
continued.....

[usapride70]

continued....
The bill passed the House but was never brought up for a vote in the Senate, largely because of Democratic opposition to change in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulatory structure that remained in place until the Treasury takeover two weeks ago.

As evidenced by the failure to pass the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, the Democrats in Congress have repeatedly fought back Republican Party efforts to reform the two mortgage banking giants.

Instead, Democrats in Congress have sought to preserve the quasi-governmental status of the mortgage giants, seeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as places to locate former top Democratic Party operatives, where they have earned millions in compensation, despite a continuing series of financial scandals. Enron-like accounting manipulation, for example, boosted earnings to a level at which massive executive bonuses could be paid.

In the aftermath of the U.S. government takeover, attention has focused on three Democrats with close ties to Obama who served as Fannie Mae executives: Franklin Raines, former Clinton administration budget director; James Johnson, former aide to Democratic Vice President Walter Mondale; and Jamie Gorelick, former Clinton administration deputy attorney general.

All three Obama-related executives earned millions in compensation from Fannie Mae.

[usapride70]

Plain and simple:

The Republicans messed up and in order to save their rich buddies they want avarage Joe tax payer to bail them out.


Don''''t let them do it to you again.


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Posted by SHURCH4TRUTH at 08:41 AM : Sep 24, 2008

You don''t want the truth....it has been stated everywhere....the democrats started this mess, the republicans are getting blamed for it.....Obama gets more money from FM&FM, with the exception of Chis Dodd, than anyone else, and you still want to cry Republican''s did it. Wake up.

[spk51]

Fenner and all the republicans:
One question. How do you explain Palin''s
statement that she visited Iraq and Ireland? According to McCain''s campaign people, Palin went to a border crossing between Kuwait/Iraq and traveled inside Iraq about a mile. Then on her way home the plane stopped to refuel in Ireland.
Were these LIES or just a confused mind?
Not a good thing either way!!!!
I could go on and on but, you get my point?
McCain/Palin = LIARS

[docpeter1953]

After the Clinton Administration and the Democrats in Congress... They no longer needed to prove to a bank that they had the ability to pay back those mortgages.
The blame ultimately should go to the Clintons.

Posted by john43218 at 08:14 AM : Sep 24, 2008
_________________

WRONG!

Blame the greedy lenders who knew or should have known that the buyer was not capable of paying for their home at even the subprime rate, much less when the ARM kidked in, but then loaned tne $$ anyway. The subprime lender knew he was going to off load that loan in a package to someone else, without their complete knowledge about the loan, then it would become some elses problem...collapse of the investment banking system.

Did the govt cause this? Some of it by dereg the investment banking industry. This industry didn''t take the time to look over all the loans in the package before they bought and sold it. Like signing a contract and not reading the fine print.

Did the subprime lenders cause this? Definately. It would be fair to say they were not totally honest and truthful (they lied) about what they were selling, just going after the $$.

Who made all the $? Sumprime lenders?

[recession1]

YES INDEED THERE HAVE BEEN MOMENTS WHERE BIDEN AND OBAMA DID NOT AGREE. YOU''RE CORRECT ON THAT ISSUE. MY P0INT IS THAT IF THE VP HAD TO TAKE OVER OFFICE FOR EITHR PARTY, I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO AT LEAST HAS HIS OWN MIND/OPINIONS THEN A PRESIDENT WHO IS JUST A SHADOW OF HER "TOP OF THE TICKET" PARTNER!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!

[ioweign]

Ooops...He Lied. Again.

Newsweek and New York Times report that John McCain has been caught lying about his campaign manager''s lobbying on behalf of Fannie Mae.

McCain said that Rick Davis had long ago severed ties with Fannie Mae. Not true. His lobbying firm has received $15,000 per month each month until...last month.