Sept. 14, 2008

Read My Lips: No More Lipstick Cracks

With All This Campaign Talk About Pigs, Bob Schieffer Suggests Some Other Animal References

  • Yep, still a pig. Photo

    Yep, still a pig.  (AP/OShaughnessy, Avalanche-Journal)


(CBS)  Weekly commentary by CBS Evening News chief Washington correspondent and Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer.
If you were watching the campaign this week, you might have thought it had come down to a debate over pigs that wear lipstick.

I never saw a pig wearing lipstick, nor do I know anyone who tried to put lipstick on a pig - or give one a manicure, for that matter.

But if this campaign is going to be about animals in the news, here are some helpful references that I offer to whichever side wants them.

If a candidate looks frazzled, describe him as "looking like a horse that was rode hard and put away wet." I got that from a guy I used to work with here.

If it comes down to one of those "what if" situations, try the old bullfrog parable: "If bull frogs had side pockets they'd carry six shooters and wouldn't be afraid of snakes."

Or this one: "If the dog hadn't stopped to use the phone he would have caught the rabbit."

If a candidate gets stage fright during the coming debates, his opponent could charge him with being "as nervous as a cat in a roomful of rocking chairs."

Being from Alaska, Governor Palin probably knows this one: "Unless you're the lead dog pulling the sled, the scenery is the same wherever you go." I have no idea how to use that but it does present an interesting word picture.

I hope the candidates find these suggestions handy. On the other hand, they may find my suggestions "as useful as socks on a rooster." But no matter.

I just think we need to get past the debate on lipstick. It's just so, well, cosmetic.

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by ubrew12 September 14, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
The more I read about Palin''s tenure as Mayor of Wasilla and Governor of Alaska, the more sorry I am for referring to her as ''a pig in lipstick''.

She''s much worse than that, she''s ''George Bush in lipstick'' (cronyism run amok).

I promise to vote Republican if McCain would just appoint an actual pig with lipstick to the VP slot. We''ve seen enough of Bush for the last eight years, lipstick or no.
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by bsherry1 September 14, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
Bob,

I was shocked to hear you say "I never saw a pig wearing lipstick". You don''t know the most famous "Oinker" of all time? Miss Piggy.

Bruce Sherry
Melbourne Florida
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by mark77ll September 14, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
I love Palin and will vote for her as well! If you disagree, AT LEAST BE RESPECTFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by timmyjo4 September 14, 2008 3:06 PM EDT

I love Bob''s show!!!!!
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by ldnearthesea September 14, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
I will vote for Obama because I never vote for Republicans. I was amazed at howmany times Swift, the governor of Massachusetts, interrupted the Democrats on today''s show. Republicans hate the truth about what their party did in six of the eight years Bush has been in office: no oversight. We don''t need Palin (that''s really who the Republicans are running)/Mccain in the White House vetoing every piece of progressive legislation passed by Congress and the Senate. Palin is as "oily" as Bush/Cheney, and probably doesn''t know what a solar energy panel or wind farm looks like, and probably thinks a Prius has to be plugged in. By the way, Napolitano is much, much more qualified to be a vice president: her state has many more people, and it borders a foreign country, Mexico, and you can step across the border into it!
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by ldnearthesea September 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
I will vote for Obama because I never vote for Republicans. I was amazed at howmany times Swift, the governor of Massachusetts, interrupted the Democrats on today''s show. Republicans hate the truth about what their party did in six of the eight years Bush has been in office: no oversight. We don''t need Palin (that''s really who the Republicans are running)/Mccain in the White House vetoing every piece of progressive legislation passed by Congress and the Senate. Palin is as "oily" as Bush/Cheney, and probably doesn''t know what a solar energy panel or wind farm looks like, and probably thinks a Prius has to be plugged in. By the way, Napolitano is much, much more qualified to be a vice president: her state has many more people, and it borders a foreign country, Mexico, and you can step across the border into it!
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by ramos937 September 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
I saw Obama''s comments on TV and he never mentioned a person. Does this mean that McCain considers Palin his pig and not to be mean to??
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by rushlimpdrug September 14, 2008 3:35 PM EDT

And what do you call

Lipstick on G.I. Joe?

. . . G.I. Joy.

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by September 14, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
Please thank Debbie Wasserman Schultz for making up my mind to vote for McCain/Palin. After stating that Sarah Palin was lying about being in Iraq, she needs to check the facts. Ms Palin never has stated she was in Iraq, some of her aides misquoted the facts and stated that she did enter Iraq and have since admitted their error. But who cares, why the big issue over nothing. I have been undecided which way to vote in Nov. but after seeing the arrogrant performance by Ms Schultz I now know which party I will support.
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by keeliz September 14, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
This was off base. It''s not the candidates who are made this an issue, it''s one candidate, McCain using his wmds-- weapons of mass distraction. He doesn''t want to talk about the issues. So start telling it like it is, Bob, McCain is putting campaign first. He''d rather lose his soul (and screw up this country even more) than lose an election.
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by phoebee1 September 14, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
I am the fourth daughter of five raised by a dyed in the wool Republican Iowa farmer and his hard working wife. Ranging in ages of 66 to 49, four of five daughters are voting for Obama. Our family is the perfect demographic that the Republicans have tried to snag but have failed to do so. We are all college graduates, vote religiously AND keep religion out of politics.
My husband and I own and run an Arkansas trout fishing resort. When a frequent guest checked in the day of Palin''s announcement, he patted me on the shoulder and said "Isn''t it nice McCain chose a woman? Now you will be represented."
Now I have tried very hard over the years to stay as neutral as Bob Schieffer when it comes to talking politics with guests. But I am guessing he most likely deleted us from his speed dial.
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by keeliz September 14, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
McCain''s whole campaign has become Sarah Palin, defending her against phony attacks everytime someone tries to vet her, since he didn''t. The conservatives are so into bashing Senatorial experience they are essentially saying she has more experience than McCain. McCain clearly doesn''t care about experience, he picked her to distract from the issues. However look at the issues, he wants to tax your employer based healthcare plan, he wants to cut taxes to the top 1%, he wants to privatize social security, he doesn''t support equal pay, he would make abortions illegal and with Palin even in the case of rape or incest. If we''re talking about Palin it''s cause she''s less than a heartbeat from the presidency and she''s radical and inexperienced. She has zero foreign policy and national security experience .... zero, no matter what country she can see on a clear day, zero! And she and McCain have lied about every aspect of her bio.
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by afmca September 14, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
Don''t need anymore comments about lipstick on a pig .. as we find out Palin has more in common with Cheney than the country or world wants. She has the same lack of commitment to the Constitution and freedom of speech. You cross her and she or her husband will seek to destroy. How Cheney-like can you get.

Is that a common thread with these fake self-righteous, self-annointed chrsitians? They act superior, but deep down their soul is ugly and unredeemed. Just as we don''t need another McSame; we definitely don''t need another Cheney. Palin is just as ugly and immoral as our current VP.

McSame should have done a better job of vetting .. she appeals to the white crusaders who care not about the Constitution and the intolerant bubbas who just want to be allowed to hate, but as Americans get to know her all must agree she is not deserving of the position McSame has put her in.
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by fralene-2009 September 14, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
So many of you McCain/Palin cheerleaders like to throw the word liberal as an insult at anyone who disagrees with you. Maybe you should a) look up the word liberal in the dictionary, and b) choose to give up all rights to Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment insurance, Public Power, child labor laws, the 40 hour work week, federally guranteed college loan programs, Head Start, food stamps, women''s suffrage, the Civil Rights Act, and much more. All of these were liberal programs that were fought by conservatives.

I am a female former Republican, now independent social libertarian and fiscal conservative voting for Obama/Biden.
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by cattlekate September 14, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
Nobaody can beat the SNL Cold Opening last night of Sarah (Tina Fey) and Hillary (Amy Pohler).

OMG - that was hilarious!
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by wogerwabbit September 14, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
Does this mean you''''ll be voting for McCain ???

Because McCain has WAY more experience than
a LESS THAN ONE-TERM senator from Illinois

IF NOT,

Please explain your hypocrisy


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Posted by dmcfee1 at 01:11 PM : Sep 14, 2008


Well, it''s likely McCain will die in office and then we''re left with a religious zealot who speaks in tongues as president. If that doesn''t scare you, then you''re doing too much prozac.
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by Fossilkey September 14, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
"You can put lipstick on a "community organizer",
and he is still not qualified to be president."
-You are 100% correct, in the fascist state that Republicans want to continue running, community organizers would be 1st to be rounded up and executed by the brown shirts.
-in a Democratic country where government is choosen BY the people, FOR the people, in order to REPRESENT THE people, Community organizers are always #1 on the list of best candidates to run the country. Afterall community organizers are those who end up cleaning up after the incompetent republicans: finding jobs for those (such as steel workers) whose jobs have been shipped overseas for lower-wages and child-labor; getting health insurance for families working 3 jobs without any benefits, organize "neighborhood" watch groups backed by local police to stand up to crimminals and get rid of drug houses; volunteer to take the elderly to doctor''s apppointments, mentor at-risk-teenagers, volunteer at soup kitchens; represent communities suffering from sickness due to companines causing pollution; foster children abandoned by their parents and the system, and so much, much more.
-I for one am very happy that republicans have decided to reveal their hatred of those who come to the aid of and empower the less priviledged in our society thus keeping democracy alive and well in America.
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by Fossilkey September 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
"Not surprised that Big Media Libs would want to make the "lipstick on a pig" remark go away. "Nothing to see here. Keep moving."

You mean the "big media", "Liberals" like Rupert Murdoch and the 4 other REPUBLICANS who OWN 99% of the media? I hope that they DO continue talking about the lipstick on a pig comment until election day. It''s a great phrase that summarizes the McCain/Palin Jerry Springer side-show campaign to perfection and reminds voters of their dishonesty and opportunistic nature. Party like the super-rich and have a beer with them, but leave sober enough to join Obama/Biden as they help find shelter and warm clothing for the victims of Hurricane Ike.
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by btr2oz September 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

You liberals are going against the grain of every fiber you have preached is part of your being since the women''s lib days of the 70''s! If the things being said by liberals about Governor Palin were ever said about any other woman in politics on your team by us conservatives, you''d be going for our jugular and you know it. Is she ready? Can she juggle kids and work? How could she see to the special needs child properly? Does she know enough about foreign policy? How dare you! E. Willingham 09-17-2008
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by Fossilkey September 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
"Not surprised that Big Media Libs would want to make the "lipstick on a pig" remark go away. "Nothing to see here. Keep moving."

You mean the "big media", "Liberals" like Rupert Murdoch and the 4 other REPUBLICANS who OWN 99% of the media? I hope that they DO continue talking about the lipstick on a pig comment until election day. It''s a great phrase that summarizes the McCain/Palin Jerry Springer side-show campaign to perfection and reminds voters of their dishonesty and opportunistic nature. Party like the super-rich and have a beer with them, but leave sober enough to join Obama/Biden as they help find shelter and warm clothing for the victims of Hurricane Ike.
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by btr2oz September 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

You liberals are going against the grain of every fiber you have preached is part of your being since the women''s lib days of the 70''s! If the things being said by liberals about Governor Palin were ever said about any other woman in politics on your team by us conservatives, you''d be going for our jugular and you know it. Is she ready? Can she juggle kids and work? How could she see to the special needs child properly? Does she know enough about foreign policy? How dare you! E. Willingham 09-17-2008
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by btr2oz September 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

You liberals are going against the grain of every fiber you have preached is part of your being since the women''s lib days of the 70''s! If the things being said by liberals about Governor Palin were ever said about any other woman in politics on your team by us conservatives, you''d be going for our jugular and you know it. Is she ready? Can she juggle kids and work? How could she see to the special needs child properly? Does she know enough about foreign policy? How dare you! E. Willingham 09-17-2008
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by Fossilkey September 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
"Not surprised that Big Media Libs would want to make the "lipstick on a pig" remark go away. "Nothing to see here. Keep moving."

You mean the "big media", "Liberals" like Rupert Murdoch and the 4 other REPUBLICANS who OWN 99% of the media? I hope that they DO continue talking about the lipstick on a pig comment until election day. It''s a great phrase that summarizes the McCain/Palin Jerry Springer side-show campaign to perfection and reminds voters of their dishonesty and opportunistic nature. Party like the super-rich and have a beer with them, but leave sober enough to join Obama/Biden as they help find shelter and warm clothing for the victims of Hurricane Ike.
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by btr2oz September 14, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

You liberals are going against the grain of every fiber you have preached is part of your being since the women''s lib days of the 70''s! If the things being said by liberals about Governor Palin were ever said about any other woman in politics on your team by us conservatives, you''d be going for our jugular and you know it. Is she ready? Can she juggle kids and work? How could she see to the special needs child properly? Does she know enough about foreign policy? How dare you! E. Willingham 09-17-2008
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by btr2oz September 14, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

You liberals are going against the grain of every fiber you have preached is part of your being since the women''s lib days of the 70''s! If the things being said by liberals about Governor Palin were ever said about any other woman in politics on your team by us conservatives, you''d be going for our jugular and you know it. Is she ready? Can she juggle kids and work? How could she see to the special needs child properly? Does she know enough about foreign policy? How dare you! E. Willingham 09-17-2008
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by btr2oz September 14, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

You liberals are going against the grain of every fiber you have preached is part of your being since the women''s lib days of the 70''s! If the things being said by liberals about Governor Palin were ever said about any other woman in politics on your team by us conservatives, you''d be going for our jugular and you know it. Is she ready? Can she juggle kids and work? How could she see to the special needs child properly? Does she know enough about foreign policy? How dare you! E. Willingham 09-17-2008
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by btr2oz September 14, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

You liberals are going against the grain of every fiber you have preached is part of your being since the women''s lib days of the 70''s! If the things being said by liberals about Governor Palin were ever said about any other woman in politics on your team by us conservatives, you''d be going for our jugular and you know it. Is she ready? Can she juggle kids and work? How could she see to the special needs child properly? Does she know enough about foreign policy? How dare you! E. Willingham 09-17-2008
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by Fossilkey September 14, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
"Not surprised that Big Media Libs would want to make the "lipstick on a pig" remark go away. "Nothing to see here. Keep moving."
-You mean the "big media", "Liberals" like Rupert Murdoch and the 4 other REPUBLICANS who OWN 99% of the media? I hope that they DO continue talking about the lipstick on a pig comment until election day. It''s a great phrase that summarizes the McCain/Palin Jerry Springer campaign to perfection and reminds voters of their dishonesty and opportunistic nature. Go ahead, add them to your BFF list, hit the clubs and party with them, drinking Cindy''s father''s beer. But leave sober enough to join Obama/Biden as they help find shelter and warm clothing for the victims of Hurricane Ike.
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by samthetvcat September 14, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
pt 2

So isn''t Palin probably ''felt'' to be a visceral threat, and aren''t women in the media perhaps experiencing the thought process of that they''re strong, they''re smart, if she''s a threat felt to them and their career then mustn''t that mean she''s a threat to all strong smart women?

I''m sure they''d all like to think that they''ve arrived at their choice through ''logic''. But if you don''t feel free to entertain your choices you''re not making a true choice. Maybe you''d arrive at the same destination eventually, but the journey affects the story-telling.

If women in the media simply aren''t capable of laying out the facts of the full picture without resorting to rendering the judgment for the reader, then are the pieces really about ''truth'' then are they still journalists?

I mean, that''s just my take, but nobody''s even talking about this sort of stuff . . . the lipstick''s but a symptom . . .

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by samthetvcat September 14, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
pt 1

My take on lipstick-gate is that the lipstick comment was Palin''s thing, Barack in an extreme moment of frustration called her a pig because he thought he had enough cover to get away with it, McCain milked it for all it was worth, and people couldn''t stop talking about it.

Net push politically, but if you looked at the number of comments that one incident generated, I think it tends to be symptomatic of the larger phenomenon that''s plaguing this election and that''s that the public discourse for this campaign with it''s two history-making trailblazers is LOADED with subtext that that''s not being given a voice.

Like how socially acceptable would it be for a non-Fox female journalist to come out and say she''s voting for Palin in the social circles in which she haunts? I would imagine that would subject her to intense rejection, moral judgments, loss of credibility if she''s not already known as leaning right . . . it''s virtual career suicide.
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by tonyd_31 September 14, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
John McSame has showed me that he would say anything or do anything to win the presidency. But what really is the turn-off is after being called on the lie, he insists it was not a lie. Either he is a cold-blooded liar or just senile. I don''t know about you, but he is certainly not somebody that I want in charge of the country. I can''t wait until this election is over and we no longer here anything about him. He will lose this election. :)
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by tonyd_31 September 14, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
My take on lipstick-gate is that the lipstick comment was Palin''''s thing, Barack in an extreme moment of frustration called her a pig because he thought he had enough cover to get away with it, McCain milked it for all it was worth, and people couldn''''t stop talking about it.

Posted by SamTheTVCat

You should be a little more informed. The media threw this back in McSame face so hard because it was obvious from the interview, that Obama was talking about McSame''s policies being just like Bushs. Had you watched the interview, you would not say that he was talking about Palin. McSame has lost a lot of credibility because of the obvious lies and distractions. I wish people were a little more informed before they repeat stuff... (In case you missed it, I am talking about you).
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by tonyd_31 September 14, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
I just want to say for those liberals who think Obama meant nothing by using the lipstick on a pig crack and that people would have never connected the dots. YOU''''RE WRONG! The first time I saw him saying that my mouth opened and I was appalled. Everyone I have spoken to about it felt the same way and took it as a crack at Governor Palin.

Posted by BTR2OZ

Wow, you people are so dim-witted. Why do you think the media came down so hard on McSame? It was an obvious lie and you nutty loons have brought it. Even the GOP surrogates had to admit that he was not talking about Palin (although I wish he was). This is a sad world we live in. You folks just keep marching to a different drum regardless of reality. I am just hoping that you nutty folks can only do so much damage becase most of America has common sense.
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by samthetvcat September 14, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
pt 2

So do you pick love or money? I guess there''s no easy answers, but I''d argue that if Dems give approval to the idea that Dem women will vote for Dems so that it''s okay to put the guy at the helm so that he can attract more men to the party, then no woman is ever going to get elected. Not even Hillary - she turns off too many swing voters.

If people feel like they''re doing right by their daughters by taking taking that incentive of the promise of more $ for schools, also consider that twenty years from now she''s still going to be living in a country where realistically her dreams might very well have to be lower than that of her brother.

You could counter with the exact opposite for the GOP position - no easy answers.
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by samthetvcat September 14, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
pt 1

The choice for women in this election is what I term ''For Love or Money''

The Dem platform has always been seen as more friendly to home and hearth. Except the person dangling out the monetary incentives in this election is a guy who calls white women ''sweetie'', ''typical'', ''bitter'', he made a political calculation that he could pass over a woman because they''d all fall in line for the money (out of necessity for many), he talks pay parity but doesn''t live it. He''s the dismissive sugar daddy who offers the opportunity for a more comfortable life.

On the other side is the party that calls us ''whiners'', has had a mixed history when it comes to how much they show support for women with careers, McCain made a political calculation that he could appoint a woman and we''d take the bait (out of desperation!), but the guy doesn''t talk pay parity he does it. And we like the woman, and the opportunity to make history is there - and she''s the embodiment of everything Dems now only talk about. She''s strong, smart, accomplished and down to earth at the same time.

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by samthetvcat September 14, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
---"You should be a little more informed."---
Posted by Tonyd_31

I left you a reply under the other article - did you see it? I was saying I really appreciated the respect you extended to me.

Calling me ignorant today - not cool! :(

PS Although I understand the temptation - I''m not so in control of my impulses in life just yet . . . work in progress :)
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by sjw1253 September 14, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
Interesting about this topic...

When I heard the entire context of the speech Barack Obama gave - I never once thought of the Republican V.P. nominee...

But now that the republicans mention it - if the shoe (or cosmetic) fits wear it but the truth is - Barack Obama wasn''t even thinking of her when he was giving that speech...

My thoughts are that the republicans are trying too hard to keep her name out there so that everyone won''t forget her as they realize what a "non-issue" she is in reality...

I mean ... who can take her seriously...

And to those of you who think that we - American professional women - can be swayed by the lies you continually throw out there about Barack Obama - you are wearing some very strange colored glasses.

Last, if you want to make women think their cause is being crushed if they do not vote republican because of the "woman on the ticket"... you are showing that a greater threat to all humans in this country is to not vote for a man because of the color of his skin...

I am a white woman and I see the racial discord a greater concern than the sexist issues. I would have liked to see Hillary on the ticket but am not going to play a sore loser and vote for another woman who is nothing at all like the woman I choose to vote for...

Let''s stop throwing all of the lies and try a little honesty and stop all of the discrimination...


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by caldwellptr September 14, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
The 2008 Presidential Campaign -
Brought to you by L''Oreal.
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by caldwellptr September 14, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
This is a cosmetic Presidential race.
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by incog-nito September 14, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
In other news:

Greenspan told Bloomberg News he was "not in favor of financing tax cuts with borrowed money" when asked if the United States could afford big tax cuts such as those proposed by Republican John McCain.

...Greenspan also said the chances of escaping a recession was "less than 50 percent."

McCain/Bush: Everything''s going great and getting better all the time.
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by timelag September 14, 2008 10:36 PM EDT
Why Bon, I''m amazed. I was certain you would take the partisan, and by that of course I mean right wing, spin on this one and insist that the Democrat had done something outrageous even when it''s clear he did not.

This isn''t entirely my fault, since your spinning of a comment by Wesley Clarke into false outrage to the right stands as an example of what I can expect from you.

You made up for this by spinning furiously in defense of the astonishing series of obvious lies coming from the McCain Palin camp during your panel, but for one moment here I see that you weren''t just cheering for the extreme right. The extreme right being what we''ve had in the White House for eight years and may just have again largely because of right wing cheerleaders like you. However, credit where it''s due, one clear chance to take the right wing spin and run with it, and you didn''t. Bravo.
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by wogerwabbit September 14, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
I think Obama should adorn all his campaign literature with big red lips. Stamp it on tax cuts for the rich, the patriot act, government sactioned torture... Bush''s picture, McCain''s picture, Palin''s picture, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalaz, Wolfowitz, Feith, Gooding... the list is endless. Let''s see the pigs with and without lipstick if we''re going to get down into Carl Rove''s mud. Bring your buckets, it ain''t gonna be pretty... and it won''t be enough to just beat them... they have have to be broken of spirit so they never raise their ugly heads again lest they be hammered down. From my lips to God''s ears. Amen.
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by xpineapple September 15, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
It was obviously a faux pas for Obama to say what he said. Talk is cheap, and this was really cheap talk. Everyone knows who he was talking about, because Palin had may the reference to the dog-and-lipstick remark first; and Obama was critizing her over the last several days leading up to his chauvinist pig remark. Well, I don''t think Obama is a chauvinist pig, per se, but not picking Hillary Clinton certainly did not cement his ties with a lot of voters out there.
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by G H M September 15, 2008 1:27 AM EDT
Xpineapple
This must be a republican thing --to lie or be a liar
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by samthetvcat September 15, 2008 1:59 AM EDT
---"Let''s stop throwing all of the lies and try a little honesty and stop all of the discrimination..."---
Posted by sjw1253

Just to REALLY keep it real . . .

So much is devoted to how some whites might have trouble voting for a black person. By on the other hand, there are a lot of whites who use ''open-mindedness'' as a cloak for the shame they would be flooded with in having to admit that they need the extra money.

I''m not saying that about anybody in particular, I''m just noting the tells that exist if one is looking for true motive . . .
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by hungry1968 September 15, 2008 2:01 AM EDT
It was obviously a faux pas for Obama to say what he said. Talk is cheap, and this was really cheap talk. Everyone knows who he was talking about, because Palin had may the reference to the dog-and-lipstick remark first; and Obama was critizing her over the last several days leading up to his chauvinist pig remark. Well, I don''''t think Obama is a chauvinist pig, per se, but not picking Hillary Clinton certainly did not cement his ties with a lot of voters out there.

Posted by Xpineapple at 09:14 PM : Sep 14, 2008





So he didn''t pick a woman as his VP candidate, therefore he''s a chauvinist?

He was clearly talking about the fake "change" message that McCain has been absurdly talking about, and how McCain was trying to dress up the Bush policies as something new, fresh, and exciting. In other words "putting lipstick on a pig". He NEVER said anything about Palin, the VP, Alaska, moose hunting, etc -- he was CLEARLY talking about the issues.
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by femaledem September 15, 2008 2:59 AM EDT
JUST WATCH THE SNL VIDEO AND YOU WILL KNOW WHAT AND WHO PALIN IS., and Tina Fey did it all in 5 minutes!!the economy is in the tiolet IKE devasted Houston and the war rages on chavez and the president of Bolivia booted our ambassadors home( clue for upcoming activity) and all the *** republicans came come up with is STOP PICKING ON PALIN....PLEASE TO EVERY WOMAN IN AMERICA DO NOT LET MCPALIN PREVAIL!!!!!NO MATTER WHAT YOU ALL THINK THIS IS NOT WHAT AN ELECTION HAS EVER BEEN ABOUT..STOP TREATING US ALL LIKE DIRT I AM INSULTED..IT''S SAD AND SCARY THAT FOR 2 WEEKS THIS DRIVAL HAS BEEN FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS..YES I AM A DEMOCRAT AND PROUD OF IT BUT CAN PALIN OR MCCAIN SAY ANYTHING INTELLIGENT GIVE PEOPLE SOMETHING TO GO ON...THIS IS SERIOUS AND MCCAIN YOU KNOW BETTER..BUT THAT''S RIGHT YOUR NOT RUNNING YOUR CAMPAIGN HOW SAD FOR YOU...YOUR LETTING THE WOMEN BEHIND THE SCENES DO IT FOR YOU..NEVER THOUGHT YOU''D BE THE TYPE TO HIDE BEHIND A "SKIRT(s)"
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by cydne35150 September 15, 2008 3:16 AM EDT
Let''''s see the pigs with and without lipstick if we''''re going to get down into Carl Rove''''s mud. Bring your buckets, it ain''''t gonna be pretty... and it won''''t be enough to just beat them... they have have to be broken of spirit so they never raise their ugly heads again lest they be hammered down. From my lips to God''''s ears. Amen.

Posted by WogerWabbit

As an independent who''s always considered herself an unregistered Democrat, I wonder if the Democrats were always this vicious and mean-spirited and I just didn''t notice. In any case, I no longer consider myself a Democrat.
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by incog-nito September 15, 2008 4:10 AM EDT
As an independent who''''s always considered herself an unregistered Democrat, I wonder if the Democrats were always this vicious and mean-spirited and I just didn''''t notice. In any case, I no longer consider myself a Democrat.

Posted by Cydne35150 at 12:16 AM : Sep 15, 2008

So based on a few internet posts you''ll switch over to the GOP camp, where they write the books on mean-spiritedness. Smart, very smart.
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by melseay September 15, 2008 4:37 AM EDT
What you won''t see in the mainstream media, but should:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/
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