NEW YORK, Sept. 4, 2008

Wall Street Takes A Nosedive

Back-To-School Retail Sales Disappointing; Unemployment Claims On The Rise

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(AP)  Wall Street plunged Thursday, sending the Dow Jones industrials down more than 340 points as U.S. retailers and the Labor Department added to the mountain of dismal economic news that has all but dashed investors' hopes for a late-year recovery.

The market was already nervous as it waited for the government to release its August employment report on Friday. So news from the nation's major retailers that shoppers curtailed their spending last month due to higher gas and food prices came as a heavy blow.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world's largest retailer, beat expectations because of its big discounts, but many teen retailers and luxury chains did poorly, a sign that consumers are spending mostly on essentials and putting discretionary buying on hold.

Meanwhile, the Labor Department said new applications for unemployment insurance rose by 15,000 last week from the previous week. That broadly missed expectations for a fourth-straight week of declines, heightening worries that the average American - already feeling the effects of the weak housing market - will have even less means to spend.

Furthermore, if the job market keeps deteriorating, it is tough for Wall Street to see a rebound in sight for the economy's biggest culprit: the tumbling housing market.

"You have to have a paycheck to pay that mortgage," said Craig Peckham, market strategist at Jefferies & Co.

The numbers released Thursday were a sign that despite some upbeat reports over the past month, the economy remains deeply troubled. Investors are not expecting any promising news in the August jobs report, particularly after the ADP National Employment Report said that private sector employment decreased in August by 33,000. Economists are predicting the government to report the eighth straight monthly payrolls drop, and a rise in the unemployment rate.

The market was so disheartened that it showed little reaction when the Institute for Supply Management said the service sector grew unexpectedly in July for the first time in three months as new orders increased and inflation moderated. The August reading of 50.6 was higher than the 50.0 expected, and the reading of 49.2 in July; but the sector's edging above the threshold between contraction and expansion was hardly a sign of a robust economy.

An economic recovery appears to be far off to investors - and with the Dow down more than 15 percent for the year so far, they don't appear to be holding out for a significant upturn in stocks, either.

"We're seeing nothing but sellers," said Ted Oberhaus, director of equity trading at Lord, Abbett & Co. "In a bear market, you sort of really don't need an excuse to sell."

The Dow fell 344.65, or 2.99 percent, to 11,188.23. It was the worst drop for the blue-chip index since June 26, when it fell more than 358 points, or 3.03 percent.

Broader indexes also tumbled. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 38.15, or 2.99 percent, to 1,236.83, and the Nasdaq composite index dropped 74.69, or 3.20 percent, to 2,259.04.

All three indexes moved back into bear market territory, defined as a 20 percent drop from a recent peak. The indexes were at highs, including a record 14,198.09 for the Dow.

As investors fled stocks, they turned to the safety of government bonds, sending Treasury prices higher. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, fell to 3.63 percent from 3.70 percent late Wednesday.

Not even another drop in oil could console investors. After the government reported a lower-than-expected drop in U.S. gasoline and crude supplies, light sweet crude fell $1.46 to settle at $107.89 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Crude is about $30 below its July 11 high of $147.27. Gold prices also slid Thursday.

Toll Brothers Inc. CEO Robert Toll said he is seeing signs the housing market is stabilizing, but Ara Hovnanian - CEO of Hovnanian Enterprises Inc. - said he sees no evidence yet of a market bottom. The stock market appeared to agree with the latter sentiment on Thursday, sending homebuilder stocks sharply lower.

Toll Brothers performed better than its peers, even after posting a third-quarter loss; its shares rose 27 cents to $25.07.

But shares of Hovnanian, which on Wednesday reported a quarterly loss, sank $1.35, or 17.4 percent, to $6.40. Pulte Homes Inc. fell 86 cents, or 5.8 percent, to $12.05, and KB Home fell $1.22, or 5.7 percent, to $20.11.

The financial sector performed poorly on Thursday as well, particular after bond fund manager Bill Gross wrote in a commentary on his firm's Web site that the U.S. Treasury needs to provide funding to mortgage financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Freddie shares fell 30 cents, or 5.6 percent, to $5.08, and Fannie shares fell 65 cents, or 8.9 percent, to $6.67.

The biggest decliners among the 30 Dow components were three financial stocks: Bank of America Corp., which fell $2.36, or 7.2 percent, to $30.60; Citigroup Inc., which fell $1.31, or 6.7 percent, to $28.30; and American International Group Inc., which fell $1.36, or 6 percent, to $21.22.

Wal-Mart's stock ended down only a penny at $59.78, after it said sales of groceries and back-to-school products helped its August same-store sales rise 3 percent, above expectations.

But the discount chain's success was seen as the corollary of a cash-strapped consumer, and other retailers fell. JCPenney Co. fell $2.07, or 5 percent, to $39.57, while Gap Inc. fell 83 cents, or 4.2 percent, to $19.14.

Wall Street found no solace in tumbling oil prices - if anything, the drop in commodities weakened the market further by sending the stocks of energy and mining companies lower.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 23.29, or 3.14 percent, to 718.62.

Declining issues outpaced advancers by about 5 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 1.30 billion shares.

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by jumkey September 4, 2008 3:06 PM PDT
Wall Street is reacting to the horribly inexperienced Jesus-bot Sarah Palin and the doddering old fool McCain.

Anyone who watched these fools and idiots last night would fear for their country''s future if any of them was ever allowed to wield executive power.

Maybe you''d some more Bush economy Wall Street?
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by funnyclown7 September 4, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
lol
ok, so mass media first lashed, mocked and said hillary was an idiot and obama was a great guy. and now they are saying that obama is not the right guy, nice tactics :)
next tactic is a huge fraud, and we will see mccain as the next president.
LOL, so next year this situation is going to continue, economy is going directly to HELL, you are going to invade iran, jobs are going to disappear instantly, stock market is going to be a real good joke....and the list continues
see you in hell
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by jmurrieta1 September 4, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
Looks like Wall Street and the multinational corporations have figured out that Sarah Palin is not a positive addition to the McClone ticket.
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by a8151947 September 4, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
I hope it goes down 500 points. I all so hope the oil Companies go BROKE. Oil has went down, and gas has gone UP In Indy. All the oil people are doing is *** the working people.
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by a8151947 September 4, 2008 3:09 PM PDT
jmurrieta1, only a nut like you would come up with this kind of S#$T
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by a8151947 September 4, 2008 3:10 PM PDT
A fool and idiot, that is whay you are
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by jmurrieta1 September 4, 2008 3:11 PM PDT
Wall street is voting with its feet on McCain-Palin.

The smart money says Palin is a L*O*S*E*R!
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by yeswecan09 September 4, 2008 3:21 PM PDT
All politics aside:

" Wall Street dove sharply lower Thursday, sending the Dow Jones industrials down over 300"

Translates: BLEH!
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by beehive21-2009 September 4, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
Dear President,You act like a fool,that is why god gave you the face of a fool.What me worry.
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by xmanborg September 4, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
Stocks skidded Thursday afternoon by 300 Points

STOCKS WILL SKID A Lot more if McLame is elected.
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by hacker2xy September 4, 2008 3:31 PM PDT
U.S. Offers $1 Billion In Aid To Georgia...
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by nskduke2 September 4, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
The markets will continue to have their ups and down.We are in a slump,the mortgage crisis and credit crunch caused our economy to slow down.Investors need to start investing into different stocks,like commercial stocks and mutual funds.Hopefully Friday the stocks will make some kind of rebound.
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by marshall_nee September 4, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
I wonder if they are pricing in the effects of a big bank failing tomorrow?
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by zorar-2009 September 4, 2008 3:57 PM PDT
We csn thank the repubs for this horrible state of economic affairs, unless your a repub in the oil or gas industry! Bush Chaney Palin etc!
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by william_lerd September 4, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
Bottom line, will your taxes go up or down after the election?-notelatu
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Hopefully they will go up and we stop running huge deficits so the moneys value in my wallet stops going down. Maybe someday we can eliminate the $2.50 a gallon Bush tax on gas.
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by zorar-2009 September 4, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
So goes Wallstreet..So goes the nation with a McSame Pailin administration...DOWN...DOWN...DOWN...
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by william_lerd September 4, 2008 4:01 PM PDT
I wonder if they are pricing in the effects of a big bank failing tomorrow?


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Posted by Marshall_Nee
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Na job losses went up and economic activity went down. Who could have predicted this?
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by marshall_nee September 4, 2008 4:11 PM PDT
Don''t worry all is not lost, productivity rose 4.3%!
Oh wait a second...thats cos those souls lucky enough to still have a job are having to work harder, thanks to increasing layoffs, for the same pay...my bad.
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by marshall_nee September 4, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
Down 345!
Whoa, thats gonna leave a mark.
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by mcvet-1 September 4, 2008 4:17 PM PDT
LOL This REALLY adds to the pressure of McSlime to deliver! Wonder how long the old man will be able to take this before he flies off the handle on someone. LOL He''s got Obama out front clearing hurdle after hurdle with relative ease.. it''s got to pray on him, with his limited memory and aging mind. What''s the odds he doesn''t make it to the finish line??
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by mcvet-1 September 4, 2008 4:19 PM PDT
The markets will continue to have their ups and down.We are in a slump,the mortgage crisis and credit crunch caused our economy to slow down.Investors need to start investing into different stocks,like commercial stocks and mutual funds.Hopefully Friday the stocks will make some kind of rebound.

Posted by NSKDuke2 at 03:46 PM : Sep 04, 2008

You call this a slump?? This is the WORST economy I''ve seen in my 60 years on this planet. Who doesn''t know someone who is either in foreclosure of in deep trouble with bills?? Sieg Heil McBush
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by sistatee-2009 September 4, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
"The initial jobless claims number was higher than expected," said Dave Rovelli, managing director of U.S. equity trading at Canaccord Adams. "Everybody is worried about the unemployment number out (Friday)."

After everyone is without a job, the new jobless claims will drop to zero, and everything will be fine again.
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by kissamaarse September 4, 2008 4:26 PM PDT
The market is reacting to Susan, er, Sarah Palin. The threat of someone managing the country who cannot even manage her own teenager is too much. Jitters!
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by dashortround September 4, 2008 4:28 PM PDT

Republican "leadership" always leads to recessions and depressions.
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by bobnjersey September 4, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
[With economic data still coming in spotty, Wall Street''s hopes for a late-year economic rebound are all but dashed %u2014 and with the Dow down more than 15 percent for the year so far, investors don''t appear to be holding out for a significant upturn in stocks, either. ]

down is good ... it creates room for everything to go up again. this is how the major players on wall street really make money ... you need someone losing money in order for someone else to make it.

they need your''s (and my) 401k''s and measly stock and mutual fund investments to game the ''pyramid'' so those at the top can ''cash out'' tomorrow when the market magically rebounds.
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by fstop100 September 4, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
if you vote for the inexperienced barry obama, things will get worse.
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by c0mm0n_sense September 4, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
I''m on a fact finding mission...

Does anyone know of any independant (or close to it) websites which track comparisons of each party''s ''specific'' plans for fixing the problems of the economy? Last night, speakers at the RNC talked about stimulating the economy by tax breaks. Everyone hears that the republicans only give tax breaks to the rich and that democrats only increase taxes. However, I have heard Barrack Obama say that he will ''cut'' taxes. I also heard him say he refers to anyone who makes under 250,000 (or maybe it was 150,000) is NOT considered rich. Does this mean he is going to cut taxes for this bracket? If so, does anyone have any specific information on what that means (i.e. does that mean if I make 100,000 a year, i''m single with zero deductions..currently paying about 37% in taxes...Will he help decrease that percentage? Or are they only referring to inputing tax breaks for families or specific types of people?).

Thanks,
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by david1737 September 4, 2008 5:33 PM PDT


McCain quote:


"I don%u2019t understand how the economy works, I%u2019ve got to get a V.P. that will show me how it works."

Palin, McCain''s V.P. choice, simply doesn''t fill the hole in McCain''s admitted economic "bucket".

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by Michael Arnold September 4, 2008 5:33 PM PDT
If you''ve got it, you''d better get it... and run for the hills.
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by sistatee-2009 September 4, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
This is still the fallout from Clinton/Gore''s utterly failed economic program, NAFTA.
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by oilfix September 4, 2008 5:38 PM PDT
pump and dump all the way to the bottom, somewhere
well below 10,000. Got a long way to go yet.
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by indivthinker September 4, 2008 5:39 PM PDT
This is the WORST economy I''''ve seen in my 60 years on this planet. Who doesn''''t know someone who is either in foreclosure of in deep trouble with bills?? Sieg Heil McBush

Posted by MCVet-1 at 04:19 PM : Sep 04, 2008

I don''t care if you are 60 years old, but you have a very bad long term memory. The economy has been worse than this during the Gas Crisis of Jimmy Carter''s reign. It was also horrible after September 11, 2001. I live in Texas, and several people pulled their kids out of private schools, lost their jobs, or filed bankruptcy. It was way worse back then than now because of the initial shock of high gas prices, the terrorist attacks, and a threat of another major war (which later became Iraq).

When comparing that to today''s situation, I see little resemblance. Here in Texas, we have the largest growing economy in the nation. In Texas, we have income growth, a huge state budget surplus, low costs of living, and low unemployment.

Perhaps rather than blaming the economy on the President, look at the economy based on region. California, New York, and Michigan, three of the most liberal states in the US, with their high taxes and government regulation and environmental protection laws, all have horrible economies, high unemployment, and high costs of living.

Hmm, no wonder more people are moving away from the northeast and heading to the South.
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by david1737 September 4, 2008 5:39 PM PDT
McSubprime

The man who McCain chose as the general co-chairman of his presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law (see Gramm-Leach Act) which contributed significantly to today%u2019s Sub Prime meltdown and economic turmoil.
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by david1737 September 4, 2008 5:44 PM PDT
McCain quote:


"I don%u2019t understand how the economy works, I%u2019ve got to get a V.P. that will show me how it works."

Palin, McCain''s V.P. choice, simply doesn''t fill the hole in McCain''s admitted economic "bucket".


Remember IF elected McCain will most likely select Phil Gramm to be the next secretary of the Treasury.

Please Google both Phil Gramm and his wife Wendy Gramm

find out about Wendy Gramm and the fact that she caused Enron!
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by david1737 September 4, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
if you vote for the inexperienced barry obama, things will get worse.

Posted by fstop100

Fact is McCain chose Phil Gramm to "fix" the economy.

Please google Phil Gramm

The man who McCain chose as the general co-chairman of his presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law (see Gramm-Leach Act) which contributed significantly to today%u2019s Sub Prime meltdown and economic turmoil.
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by david1737 September 4, 2008 5:48 PM PDT
Phil Gramm''s wife

Wendy Gramm caused Enron!

Don''t believe it?

Google it.
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by david1737 September 4, 2008 5:49 PM PDT
McCain quote:


"I don%u2019t understand how the economy works, I%u2019ve got to get a V.P. that will show me how it works."

Palin, McCain''s V.P. choice, simply doesn''t fill the hole in McCain''s admitted economic "bucket".

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by walt1944-2009 September 4, 2008 5:53 PM PDT
What''s wrong here?

According to the neocon Fascist Nazi Republicans, things are great, there are jobs everywhere, the "middle class" is alive and well and making LOTS of money (SPENDING LOTS OF IT, TOO!), and we have never had it so good. According to Karl Rove, the Great Emperor Bush II will go down in history as the greatest Emperor EVER, even greater than Lincoln, Teddy and Franklin D. Roosevelt (but only slightly above Reagan!).

So what is wrong with Wall Street? The only explanation per the neocons is that the traders must be suffering another "hangover" again, those cowardly drunkards!!!!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!
sig heil, STOP YOUR WHINING, McCain!!!!
sig heil, HOCKEY MAMA, Palin!!!!
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by gimmea6 September 4, 2008 5:58 PM PDT
Looks like a good time to buy stock. Buy low, sell high.
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by republic1776 September 4, 2008 5:59 PM PDT
We can talk the Liberal Left Media Machine for this.
Doom and Gloom.
That''s what they want, at ALL COST!
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by missingamerica September 4, 2008 6:09 PM PDT
We can talk the Liberal Left Media Machine for this.
Doom and Gloom.
That''s what they want, at ALL COST!

Posted by republic1776 at 05:59 PM : Sep 04, 2008

Huh...did you read the story?

You are trying to tell the world that "the Liberal Left Media Machine" took away all of those people''s jobs?

You are trying to tell the world that "the Liberal Left Media Machine" raised gas and food prices?

That is just crazy.

What are you - a Republican?
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by wheear September 4, 2008 6:24 PM PDT

NOSEDIVE, SHNOSEDIVE!!!

Nothing but a nation of whiners. It''s all in your mind... Quit your moanin. More to come tonight. Don''t touch that dial!
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by jmurrieta1 September 4, 2008 6:36 PM PDT
"folks , there are libs on other post blaming Palin speech on stock market drop. amazing i know


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Posted by jamesm12341



What has likely had an impact is that Wall Street, who wants John McCain to win (there will be less opportunity to steal pennies from peasants under an Obama presidency), has assessed that adding Palin to the ticket reduced McCain''s chance of winning.

Hence the stock market drop.

A blunder by McCain--an example of McCain''s "shoot from the hip" style and failure to consider his options in a mature way.

McCain is a Punk, who never really grew up.

If he was mature enough to be President, he''d have picked Romney, or maybe Pawlenty, as Veep.

But he picked a backwoods Holy Roller with a big mouth instead.

Wall Street knows a loser when they see her.
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by skyk-2009 September 4, 2008 6:51 PM PDT
This nation can not stand 4 more years of this. We can not stand 4 more years of Trickle Down and that''s just the reality of it. I can not believe it but the Republican Convention, full of hype, has NOT addressed the issue and has shown NO plan to move us away from the tragic Bush Economic Policies. This is the time to step up and DEMAND from everyone that supports Republican''s exactly HOW they are going to address Social Security, Medicare, record deficits, and record debt while maintaining the "Trickle Down" Economic Plan, which has NEVER, not ONCE, reduced our Debt. It HAS consistently reduced our Standard of Living. Let''s see if McCain addresses it tonight but if not there can be but ONE choice for American''s... Obama 08
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by hypnotoad72 September 4, 2008 6:53 PM PDT
Jobs leave. Wall street gets scared. People sell stocks. Companies get scared. Jobs leave.

Oh, if somebody buys a lot of stock in the company they work for and they happen to be a board member or someone similarly high ranking, does that mean it''s time to sell before that person does?
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by skyk-2009 September 4, 2008 6:53 PM PDT
We can talk the Liberal Left Media Machine for this.
Doom and Gloom.
That''''s what they want, at ALL COST!

Posted by republic1776 at 05:59 PM : Sep 04, 2008

Are you saying that the "media" caused the stock market to drop like a stone? Are you saying that the BAD economic news had nothing to do with it?? Man thats the dumbest statement I''ve ever heard in my life. The Economy is in the DUMPS sparky, it''s NOT in our minds and we are in VERY bad trouble.
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by skyk-2009 September 4, 2008 6:56 PM PDT
Jobs leave. Wall street gets scared. People sell stocks. Companies get scared. Jobs leave.

Oh, if somebody buys a lot of stock in the company they work for and they happen to be a board member or someone similarly high ranking, does that mean it''''s time to sell before that person does?

Posted by hypnotoad72 at 06:53 PM : Sep 04, 2008

No JOBS leave because of OUR policy and VERY badly negotiated Trade Agreements. We have seen our standard of living drop through the floor since George Bush and his Trickle Down took a Balanced Budget and a Surplus and turned that into Record Debt. IF we do NOT change that Failed Policy we can most certainly expect MUCH worse.
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by simplemind2 September 4, 2008 7:09 PM PDT
"Wall Street Takes A Nosedive"?

Not to worry - folks.
All it takes is one day - the Wall Street comes back up (green) a little bit,
Ms. Elaine L. Chao - Secretary of Labor under GWB since January 29, 2001 - will burst out of her office and make the similar statement that she
always will - "See the Economy is growing, the job market is improving".
Elaine L. Chao - what an IDIOT!
Oh - almost forgot about her two idiot bosses - i.e. GWB and D-i-c-k Cheney - a.k.a. Dumb and Dumber!
8 years of Dumb and Dumber is ENOUGH!
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by occams_taser September 4, 2008 7:21 PM PDT
The nation is completely crumbling yet Americans are dumb enough to even consider voting for McClone -- McClone might even win. You won''t be able to feel sorry for America. It will be a Darwin Award winner for a whole country!
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by iphyt4u September 4, 2008 7:59 PM PDT
Stay calm, and stick with the better ticket. Obama and Biden will lead this country back to prosperity. The economy is only going to get worse with each and every passing day until the election.
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