Math Tests For Five-Year-Olds?

NYC Proposal To Assess Kindergartners' Skills Stirs Debate Over Standardized Tests

(AP)  The city is asking public school principals to consider giving math tests to kindergartners, a proposal that comes amid debate over the growing use of standardized tests nationwide.

The experiment could involve tests as long as 90 minutes and change reading assessments for kindergartners through second-graders in the nation's biggest school system, where Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration has embraced testing. The approach dismays some parents and educators who see it as mechanizing education.

The Department of Education unveiled the $400,000 program in an e-mail Monday inviting elementary school principals to participate. About 65 principals have expressed interest, and as many as 12,000 pupils may ultimately be involved, said James Liebman, the department's accountability chief.

Principals who sign on will choose from five testing systems, each with math and reading components. They include workbook-like, multiple-choice assessments estimated to take kindergartners as much as 60 to 90 minutes per section, according to the Department of Education. Other options include roughly 30-minute-long tests pupils would complete on computers and 10-minute-long sessions face-to-face with a teacher.

Children in kindergarten through second grade are currently assessed only in literacy, through one-on-one, 20-to-30-minute-long interactions in which teachers write down their multiple-choice answers, Liebman said.

The scores on the new tests would not affect pupils' grades or teachers' evaluations but would yield a better picture of children's progress than current tests do, he said.

The city plans to evaluate next year whether the initiative is worth continuing. Liebman said it could help principals see how their schools are doing before third grade, when testing required by the 2002 federal No Child Left Behind Act begins.

"There's nothing about (the tests) that is designed to create anxiety or create a sense of evaluation or create a sense of being compared to someone else," he said.

But the head of the city teachers' union says that's unlikely.

"Once the information is available, the potential exists for school administrators to use it to track students and make premature assessments," said Randi Weingarten, president of the city-based United Federation of Teachers and its nationwide parent, the American Federation of Teachers.

The Bloomberg administration has made testing a centerpiece of its school policy, going beyond No Child Left Behind requirements. For each of the city's more than 1,400 schools, third-grade through 12th-grade test scores factor significantly in letter grades - which can earn principals bonuses or jeopardize their jobs.

The kindergarten through second-grade scores wouldn't affect school grades for now, Liebman said, though the Department of Education might take the results into account if principals requested it. Some feel the current grading system shortchanges their schools' accomplishments with younger students, he said.

The school grades and stress on test scores anger some parents and teachers, who say classes are being drained of creativity and reduced to drills on how to ace standardized exams. Critics fear the proposed assessment changes could turn even kindergarten into test prep, despite the city's insistence that the intent is only to guide teachers' and administrators' efforts.

"We're teaching kids how to get the right answers, not how to find the knowledge," said state Assemblyman Mark Weprin, a Queens Democrat with sons in public middle and elementary schools.

The rise of testing in No Child Left Behind's wake has caused contention nationally. Some studies show students' math and reading skills have improved, but that schools have cut back on history, music and other subjects.

[retrovvision]

Have these people gone mad???
Are they expecting parents to teach the EYF without any teacher training? How many parents do you think will manage?

[imperfexshun]

indianaman96, I think you got your point across 10 entries ago............

[indianaman96]

Why then don''t we just examine the teaching techniques used at the Elite Super Rich schools and implement them into public schools, obviously they work, or the Elite Super Rich wouldn''t send their kids there. Why have two types of teaching? unless you want separate minds.

[indianaman96]

Why then don''t we just examine the teaching techniques used at the Elite Super Rich schools and implement them into public schools, obviously they work, or the Elite Super Rich wouldn''t send their kids there. Why have two types of teaching? unless you want separate minds.

[indianaman96]

Why then don''t we just examine the teaching techniques used at the Elite Super Rich schools and implement them into public schools, obviously they work, or the Elite Super Rich wouldn''t send their kids there. Why have two types of teaching? unless you want separate minds.

[indianaman96]

real quick
1. bush and john kerry both went to private school
2. both went to same college
3. both belong to same secret society
4. both don''t want you to have money
5. both are supposedly very intelligent

Why then don''t we just examine the teaching techniques used at the Elite Super Rich schools and implement them into public schools, obviously they work, or the Elite Super Rich wouldn''t send their kids there.

[indianaman96]

real quick
1. bush and john kerry both went to private school
2. both went to same college
3. both belong to same secret society
4. both don''t want you to have money
5. both are supposedly very intelligent

Why then don''t we just examine the teaching techniques used at the Elite Super Rich schools and implement them into public schools, obviously they work, or the Elite Super Rich wouldn''t send their kids there.

[indianaman96]

real quick
1. bush and john kerry both went to private school
2. both went to same college
3. both belong to same secret society
4. both don''t want you to have money
5. both are supposedly very intelligent

Why then don''t we just examine the teaching techniques used at the Elite Super Rich schools and implement them into public schools, obviously they work, or the Elite Super Rich wouldn''t send their kids there.

[indianaman96]

why don''t we look at the teaching programs used at the Elite Super Rich schools, and use what they do for the poor. Obviously what ever these private schools do works. That way, there is no educational divide. Remember Bush and John Kerry went to the same college, are in the same Secret Society, both have lots of money, and believe me, they don''t want more people with money. Why else spend (How many billion?) on killing gods children (Bush''s jesus teaches not to kill) and we keep cutting back educational spending yet expect more and more from kids? If the administration really had america''s future in mind, our children''s education would be a priority.

[indianaman96]

why don''t we look at the teaching programs used at the Elite Super Rich schools, and use what they do for the poor. Obviously what ever these private schools do works. That way, there is no educational divide. Remember Bush and John Kerry went to the same college, are in the same Secret Society, both have lots of money, and believe me, they don''t want more people with money. Why else spend (How many billion?) on killing gods children (Bush''s jesus teaches not to kill) and we keep cutting back educational spending yet expect more and more from kids? If the administration really had america''s future in mind, our children''s education would be a priority.

[indianaman96]

why don''t we look at the teaching programs used at the Elite Super Rich schools, and use what they do for the poor. Obviously what ever these private schools do works. That way, there is no educational divide. Remember Bush and John Kerry went to the same college, are in the same Secret Society, both have lots of money, and believe me, they don''t want more people with money. Why else spend (How many billion?) on killing gods children (Bush''s jesus teaches not to kill) and we keep cutting back educational spending yet expect more and more from kids? If the administration really had america''s future in mind, our children''s education would be a priority.

[indianaman96]

why don''t we look at the teaching programs used at the Elite Super Rich schools, and use what they do for the poor. Obviously what ever these private schools do works. That way, there is no educational divide. Remember Bush and John Kerry went to the same college, are in the same Secret Society, both have lots of money, and believe me, they don''t want more people with money. Why else spend (How many billion?) on killing gods children (Bush''s jesus teaches not to kill) and we keep cutting back educational spending yet expect more and more from kids? If the administration really had america''s future in mind, our children''s education would be a priority.

[sharednotion]

90 minutes seems way too long to expect 5-year-olds to take a written test. Maybe instead, a MUCH briefer test, just to learn more about what is known & understood by today''s American 5-year-olds. (I understand that today''s kindergarten is not like it was when I went to kindergarten in the early 1960''s, which consisted basically of some games, milk & cookies, and ending the school "day" by noon; but, just HOW complex & academic should we try to make today''s 5-year-olds?)

[eggy1620]

If standardized testing had been norm 40 years ago, we would not have our current president in office. He would have been weeded out long before causing any problems.

[loyalto1]

Why after all these years are we still trying to figure out how to solve the education problem? The future seems dim to me! ITS ALL ABOUT PARENTING AMERICA!!!

[deacon20081]

Another reason to wonder what happened to common sense in New York.

[imperfexshun]

Thank you mitchoncbs.
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By the way, if the math examples I used seem confusing, it appears the "plus symbols" were eliminated (at least when I refreshed my screen, they were gone) so if you see 6 6 or 15 7=8, it should have been 6 plus 6 and 15 plus 7=8.

[usclimey]

There are too many tests in schools as it is. As for testing 5-year-olds - good luck. You can''t keep a 5-year old still doing something he wants to do for 90 minutes.

BTW gop_forever - I''m pretty sure is a female who showed up first about 3 months ago as gopsoccermom. Same troll-like attitude, same style.

[foreducation]

These terms--educate, school, test--have been grossly abused. What do we mean by "educate," "school," and "test"? According to OED (Oxford English Dictionary), etymologically,

1) educate: to rear, to bring up (children).
2) School: leisure, hence employment of leisure, study,...
3) TEST: To subject (gold or silver) to a process of separation and refining in a test or cupel; to assay.

I do believe the majority of five-years-old are a joy to teach than their older counterparts, with due respect to both. Guess you all know why.

My recommendation(?)

The five-year-olds need to get organized in a union and make a 5ySAT for their (school and political) administrators ...Just try hand-painting, some math, foreign languages, and nursery songs. Those who fail will be detained at their classroom when school is over.

imperfexshun, you have just hit the nail square on the head....WAY TO GO!! I totally agree with the re-inventing the wheel analogy. GREAT EXAMPLES TOO!!!!