Official: Many Factors Caused Madrid Crash

Engine Failure Not Enough To Bring Jet Down, Aviation Chief Speculates

(CBS/AP)  Spain's civil aviation chief said Friday a combination of factors probably caused this week's fiery plane crash in Madrid, which killed 153 people.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Manuel Bautista said a failure of one of the Spanair MD-82's two engines by itself - if such a failure did in fact occur - should not normally be enough to bring down a modern aircraft because they are designed to fly on just one if necessary.

"A set of causes probably came together to cause the accident," Bautista said.

With an investigation under way with help from the United States and the airplane's manufacturer, he said it was too early to say if human error was involved.

Bautista said he has seen - but would not comment on - video footage from Madrid airport that shows the doomed airliner trying to take off. The newspapers El Pais and ABC said it shows no engine explosion, contrary to some witness accounts.

The plane abandoned one takeoff attempt because of a mechanical problem with what the airline called an air intake temperature gauge near the cockpit. The gauge was essentially turned off and the plane cleared for takeoff. It crashed on takeoff.

Aviation experts have said the gauge problem, usually a relatively minor glitch, was unlikely to have caused the crash, but Bautista would not rule out the possibility that it contributed to the accident.

"A problem with a temperature sensor may not matter at all or it can be very important, depending on what other circumstances accompany it," Bautista told the AP. "We will have to see what other issues were present."

On Thursday, a survivor told of the heaving, hellish final minutes of the MD-82's flight, saying she feared she was going to die.

"The plane was rocking back and forth, until I suspected it was going to fall," Ligia Palomino, a 41-year-old emergency rescue worker who happened to be on board, told Spain's Cadena Ser radio station. "I saw people, smoke, explosions. I think that is what woke me up because I had lost consciousness."

"I thought that if help did not arrive soon I would die," said Palomino, who suffered leg injuries and a broken rib.

The government released a list of the nationalities of 19 foreigners from at least 11 countries who were on the plane. Of the 19, only one survived, a Swedish citizen.

The other 10 countries are: Germany with five citizens among the dead, France with two, and one each from Mauritania, Turkey, Brazil, Indonesia, Bulgaria, Italy, Colombia and Gambia. The nationalities of three other foreign victims had yet to be determined. The list did not name the foreigners.

As the shock of the tragedy began to sink in, Spain began three days of mourning Thursday. Flags in Madrid flew at half-staff and silent vigils were held at noon around the country. The king and queen visited the morgue, consoling relatives of those who died.

[lewiston14]

Ill share something with you. My very first was a 707 I was sitting over the wing and saw it flex but I guess it was meant to do that. Then came the MD11 that was a smooth flight not much to see except the flaps then the 747-400 you did not even know you were moving. That is a great plane. Now you have that airbus 780? Made out of plastic. I will take aluminum any day. Plastic does not last long in sunny dry places and I don%u2019t want to be one of 800 trying to get out. Trust me a plastic plane with some fancy glue will come apart at some point while you%u2019re in your personal 19,000 ticket private suite. Take offs are optional landings are required.

[lewiston14]

The MD80 scares the heck out of me a very long aluminum cylinder with two engines hanging off the back. With engines in the rear the pilots have even more to worry about the balance. I have been on a few and never felt safe. Thank god my flying days are over. I do not go far these days but im not going splat in some field. Give me the 737 anyday

[lewiston14]

marizara: you are correct. 153 soles died and im sure the bosses are all sitting around a big table woundering what to say. The NTSB has a good track record of putting the parts in place but in another country their input can be ignored. We will know what they want us to know nothing more

[susanhelit]

We''ll see what happened. Sometimes, people do everything right, and something still fails. If you read, watch, shows about airline crash investigations, what ends up having happened, sometimes it''s amazingly subtle. A slightly larger gauge wire used to secure a cable that results in rubbing when the wing is in a particular position on a hose that kinks in an unusual way and results in a loss of pressure that causes.... so many weird things can go wrong. A crack in a piece of metal that is impossible to view and is expected simply to never crack. You just never know. Might be negligence, might be human error, might be something so subtle that no one should have caught it.

[Marie Zarankevich]

lewiston14 -- *...always the pressure from the boss that say sign here or you be cleaning toilets in 15 minutes for ever...* -- That logic applies even more to the pressure to say the *right thing* AFTER something bad has happened. -- The *BOSS* aspect does not go away during investigation. -- Just because they investigate does not mean we will ever hear the actual truth.

[squidly8]

michaelt302,

ROTFLMAO

[haoli25]

I would think that the crash was caused by ''lack of height''.

[lewiston14]

Funny story. I was trying to back home from Denver. I got there 11 hours later because I did not want to spent more money on a hotel. Sacked out for many hours here comes the pilot. He asked me did a plane show up? I said yes but they towed it away. He come back a second hour and ask the same question. I said yes but they towed that one out also. Three house later he comes back and ask the same question. I said ye but this time they let the plane back away under its own power. He was ticked. To make a long story short he told me the first two had such major problems they were not allowed to fire the engines. the third the radios were not working. I got a free return trip from him but it only took 11:00 hours to get back home. He was a nice guy

[lewiston14]

rational_1: Follow the money. Insurance will pay for the plane and the $10,000 each dead person gets before taxes.

[rational_1]

"What the helll are you doing! This flight was suppose to leave an hour ago!"
"The temp gauge is reading too high."
"Well rip the damnn thing out and get that plane in the air. What do think I pay you for!"
"Okay, sir."
Posted by SistaTee at 12:56 PM : Aug 22, 2008

Good point - I''ve considered exactly that issue when delayed because of mechanical problems. Harassing the staff to get you on a plane unsafe to fly does seem more than a little stupid (and shortsighted!).