200,000 Kids Physically Punished In School

CBS Evening News: Disproportionate Number Of Corporal Punishment Victims Are Minorities

(CBS)  Heather Porter couldn't believe it when her son Cameron, who was three at the time, told her he'd been spanked with a paddle at his pre-school outside Houston.

"I just felt like I couldn't protect him," Porter said. "I don't, I don't even spank him at home."

According to a new report, boys like Cameron are three times as likely to be paddled in school as girls.

Of the nearly quarter-million kids physically disciplined across the country:

African-American girls were hit more than twice as often as white girls.

And kids with disabilities and Native Americans were also more likely to be hit.

The report's authors say corporal punishment creates a violent school environment, and is not conducive to learning.

"So when you compound that with students who already have obstacles to a good education, like African-American students or special education students, that really creates a double-edged sword," said Alice Farmer, co-author of the Human Rights Watch report.

Corporal punishment is against the law in schools in most of the country, but it remains legal in 21 states, from Wyoming to Florida.

And often it takes the form of paddling. A teacher or an administrator uses a board to hit a child on the behind.

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Learn more and read the report.

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Opponents call it a form of abuse. But supporters say it works.

"You know, they may think about doing something but when they think about corporal punishment, that fear will make them say, 'No, I don't think I'm going to do that right now,'" said former junior high school principal Anthony Price.

There's been little research done on the effectiveness of corporal punishment in schools, but plenty of studies have shown it doesn't work in the home.

"It makes them more aggressive, more delinquent and makes them have more mental health problems," said Elizabeth Gershoff, assistant professor of social work at the University of Michigan. "Some of these outcomes even last until adulthood."

Heather Porter's son now goes to another pre-school. She hopes the paddling he received at his old one will be his last.

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by m109876 August 20, 2008 7:29 PM PDT

I was surprised to hear this. I thought corporal punishment vanished years ago. I realize teachers need to maintain control, but there must be a better way. I believe striking a child with a weapon sends the wrong message. It tells them violence is ok. If I were to strike a teacher with a board, I would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, and sent to prison for years. So what''s the difference?

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by twocrazynuts August 20, 2008 8:17 PM PDT

Now here I thought after all these years that all you young parents wanted the government and evryone else to be responsible to raise your kids because your to busy or irresponsible to do so. What do ya know, i must have been wrong. I always thought dicipline was part of raising kids, teaches them responsibility for their actions. Something a lot of parents are sorely lacking.
Spare the rod spoil the child was how I was raised and how my 4 kids were raised;and not one of my four kids will ever say that they were abused and they are quite proud of how they were raised.
A little corporal punishment never hurt anyone, but just maybe you should do it yourself before accusing hard working teachers of abusing your beautiful,angelic innocent children.

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by yankeerebel7 August 20, 2008 8:20 PM PDT

A little tough love never anyone.

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by haoli25 August 20, 2008 8:21 PM PDT

Teaching the uncivilized has always been difficult. If you can''t paddle ''em, kick ''em out of school. Let ''THEIR VILLAGE'' educate them.

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by yankeerebel7 August 20, 2008 8:22 PM PDT

Edit: Hurt anyone.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 8:51 PM PDT

Posted by Voltaire777 at 08:42 PM : Aug 20, 2008

And you represent the minority of new age twits that want to throw out all tradition and foundational truths that have been proven throughout the decades. The evidence of the turning away from these traditions is glaring you in the face which is undeniable, but the liberals still head for the cliff......blindly pushing on toward destruction and dragging their children down the tubes with them. Open your eyes!

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 8:52 PM PDT

Posted by Voltaire777 at 08:42 PM : Aug 20, 2008

And you represent the minority of new age twits that want to throw out all tradition and foundational truths that have been proven throughout the decades. The evidence of the turning away from these traditions is glaring you in the face which is undeniable, but the liberals still head for the cliff......blindly pushing on toward destruction and dragging their children down the tubes with them. Open your eyes!

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 8:53 PM PDT

Why don''''t you leave this topic to people who have studied it and have reliable data on it, and leave your love for "American culture and tradition" out of it, since tradition justifies nothing.


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Posted by Voltaire777 at 08:46 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Why don''t you leave your hate for grass roots America at the door on your way down.

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by jankebenz August 20, 2008 8:54 PM PDT

Judging by the huge number of rebellious, crime prone ,teens and adults out there,I,d say the rod has been spared an awfull lot. Proper parenting and guidance has become a rarity.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 8:55 PM PDT

If you hit my 3 yr old, I''''m coming down to the school with a gun. There will be no corporal punishment to a 3 yr old. You''''ll deal with me and I''''ll deal with the hang man but you "will" deal with me.


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Posted by maxify55 at 08:51 PM : Aug 20, 2008


What is your goofy 3 year old doing at school anyway?

Aren''t you mature enough and responsible enough to handle a 3 year old without having the state do it??

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by meandmesa August 20, 2008 8:57 PM PDT

Would you rather have kids do the right thing because they are afraid of being punished or because they feel good inside knowing they did something positive which translates into their having a far more healthy view of self which increases the likelihood of their becoming productive, positive members of society? Corporal punishment causes kids to operate out of the lowest form of moral development which is oppositional to what we want our kids to be like as adults. In addition, just because punishment "works" in the moment to stop bad behavior doesn''t mean that it''s good to use or that it translates into kids exhibiting socially acceptable behavior once the punisher or punishment disappears. For example, do kids treat each other with dignity and respect on the playground, or on the bus when the punisment is no longer being threatened? Unforturnately, children often mimic or act out the corporal punishment that was used on them which is what makes corporal punishment so insidiuos in terms of the long term negative impact it can have on a child''s growth and development.

Instead of using corporal punishment, it is far more effective to understand and address the root cause of the inappropriate behavior and to have kids make restitution for what they did wrong i.e. help a child rebuild the blocks that s/he knocked down, fix what they broke, repair the damaged relationship, etc.

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by meandmesa August 20, 2008 8:57 PM PDT

Would you rather have kids do the right thing because they are afraid of being punished or because they feel good inside knowing they did something positive which translates into their having a far more healthy view of self which increases the likelihood of their becoming productive, positive members of society? Corporal punishment causes kids to operate out of the lowest form of moral development which is oppositional to what we want our kids to be like as adults. In addition, just because punishment "works" in the moment to stop bad behavior doesn''t mean that it''s good to use or that it translates into kids exhibiting socially acceptable behavior once the punisher or punishment disappears. For example, do kids treat each other with dignity and respect on the playground, or on the bus when the punisment is no longer being threatened? Unforturnately, children often mimic or act out the corporal punishment that was used on them which is what makes corporal punishment so insidiuos in terms of the long term negative impact it can have on a child''s growth and development.

Instead of using corporal punishment, it is far more effective to understand and address the root cause of the inappropriate behavior and to have kids make restitution for what they did wrong i.e. help a child rebuild the blocks that s/he knocked down, fix what they broke, repair the damaged relationship, etc.

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by kc9cvr August 20, 2008 9:01 PM PDT

I do believe that a parent should spank their child if their behavior is out of line. My 3yr old daughter gets 1 to 5 swats on her behind depending on the severity of her behavior (i.e.-hitting my 5yr old sister got her 5 swats, playing with cords she knows not to touch gets her 1). But I do NOT want Joe-Smith-Teacher down at the school spanking her. Discipline is the parents'' job, and my husband and I take care of it. Someone who is practically a stranger has no right to spank my child. I''m going to have to look into the laws regarding this in my state. She''ll be going to preschool next year, the school won''t take her this year.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 9:01 PM PDT

Parents have forgotten how to say "no" to their children because they have latched on to some ***-eyed drivel from psychologists who are raking in the moolaaaa for thier advice.

Parents seem to be afraid of their children, even a three year old. They don''t understand their authority as parents and what is expected of them. In short, they are ready the wrong books and listening to the wrong advice. Need to latch on to God and ask Him for His counsel from the giver of truth,,,,,,but, it will probably have to get much much worse before they will admit they need real help. It may even take as long as it takes for same sux couples to be in the majority.

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by omded August 20, 2008 9:04 PM PDT

Good for you, Maxify55!!! That''s the same way I see it. If a teacher or school administrator has a problem with one of my kids, they need to talk to me about it. If they want to take administrative action against my kids, that''s fine. But anyone who beats up on my child answers to me, and I''ll make sure that person tastes a good dose of their own violence. Fathers protect their families.

Why can''t schools just expell bad kids? Expell them and ban them from campus. It''s that easy. Of course, I know in a lot of states, the schools get paid money for each child, so they aren''t likely to do that.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 9:09 PM PDT

Posted by meandmesa at 08:57 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Your method sounds heavenly on paper, but happens to be responsible for the current trend of aimless and misguided youth who are allowed to "express themselves" however they choose, without regard to the fact that the "self" is precisely the problem. From "self" comes "selfishness".

No one has ever had to teach a child how to do the wrong thing.....they do it naturally. No, they must be taught to do the right thing. Anyone who has the minimal knowledge of human nature is able to grasp this fact right off the bat and doesn''t need any psychological mumbo jumbo to get there......it is common sense.

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by hawksprings August 20, 2008 9:11 PM PDT

What do you call 200,000 kids physically punished in school?

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by omded August 20, 2008 9:16 PM PDT

noseonurface,
Just go ahead and try to teach one of my kids what you think is "right" with physical violence, and I''ll break that nose on your face with a solid piece of wood called a baseball bat. That ought to teach you how to leave my kid alone.

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by hawksprings August 20, 2008 9:16 PM PDT

A good start.

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by buckdaddy333 August 20, 2008 9:16 PM PDT

I would just like to say this. I am a forty yr old man who firmly believes in spanking a child when it is appropriate. I received my share of spankings while growing up and am thankful for them, I believe they helped to shape the man I am. They did not make me a criminal, aggressive, or more violent. They did teach me that there are consequences for my actions. Spankings are not an end all be all, but they do have there place. Physical consequences always taught me more than verbal. If you knew me you would know that I have grown to be a responsible, well mannered, respectful individual. And I thank my parents, and teachers for having the fortitude to teach me right from wrong, and whooping my butt when needed, without it I would not be the person I am today.

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by buckdaddy333 August 20, 2008 9:17 PM PDT

I would just like to say this. I am a forty yr old man who firmly believes in spanking a child when it is appropriate. I received my share of spankings while growing up and am thankful for them, I believe they helped to shape the man I am. They did not make me a criminal, aggressive, or more violent. They did teach me that there are consequences for my actions. Spankings are not an end all be all, but they do have there place. Physical consequences always taught me more than verbal. If you knew me you would know that I have grown to be a responsible, well mannered, respectful individual. And I thank my parents, and teachers for having the fortitude to teach me right from wrong, and whooping my butt when needed, without it I would not be the person I am today.

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by hawksprings August 20, 2008 9:19 PM PDT

Spanking a child should not the the first resort, or the only discipline option. But spankings have their place in the raising of a child. Just like time-outs, grounding, chores, loss of privileges, etc.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 9:21 PM PDT

That ought to teach you how to leave my kid alone.


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Posted by omded at 09:16 PM : Aug 20, 2008


At 3 years old, what is your kid doing in school? You can''t handle him at home or what?

Nobody is talking about physical violence. I am talking about loving discipline with the rod just as God prescribes.

Listen to you!!!!! Just go ahead and try to teach one of my kids what you think is "right" with physical violence, and I''''ll break that nose on your face with a solid piece of wood called a baseball bat.

Looks like you got a handle on physical violence already. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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by buckdaddy333 August 20, 2008 9:21 PM PDT

I would just like to say this. I am a forty yr old man who firmly believes in spanking a child when it is appropriate. I received my share of spankings while growing up and am thankful for them, I believe they helped to shape the man I am. They did not make me a criminal, aggressive, or more violent. They did teach me that there are consequences for my actions. Spankings are not an end all be all, but they do have there place. Physical consequences always taught me more than verbal. If you knew me you would know that I have grown to be a responsible, well mannered, respectful individual. And I thank my parents, and teachers for having the fortitude to teach me right from wrong, and whooping my butt when needed, without it I would not be the person I am today.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 9:25 PM PDT

Posted by Buckdaddy333 at 09:16 PM : Aug 20, 2008


BRAVO SIR, I ECHO YOUR RECIPE FOR LIFE PRECISELY AS YOU SAID IT.

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by m109876 August 20, 2008 9:34 PM PDT

Isn''t it against the law in some states for parents to strike a child? I believe CPS (Child Protective Services)frowns on this and will prosicute in the state of Texas. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but please don''t hit me.

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by bmxer94 August 20, 2008 9:40 PM PDT

Really hitting kids school is supposed to be safe you can sew the school if your child gets hurt especially if your teacher hit him

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by bmxer94 August 20, 2008 9:42 PM PDT

I thought corporal punishment is not allowed in all the states the schools should disipline kids by being strict and stern not hitting kids i am glad that i live and go to school in NewYork where corporal punishment is illigal

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by August 20, 2008 9:43 PM PDT

I think that corporal punishment is for idiots. It is for people who are too stupid to think up a more creative punishment.

It''s also for those people who are more interested in telling someone what they did wrong as opposed to encouraging positive behavior.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:49 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:50 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:51 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:52 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 9:53 PM PDT

Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.


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Posted by jbkgull at 09:51 PM : Aug 20, 2008

Excellent and true to life. Thank you

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:53 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:54 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:55 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:55 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by jbkgull August 20, 2008 9:56 PM PDT

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

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by denn034 August 20, 2008 9:57 PM PDT

Corporal punishment is child abuse. What else do you expect from liberal teachers that see no problem with indoctrinating kids to accomplish their agenda just like communists and dictators do? Some people will say that making it illegal will stop it but, that ignores the fact that liberals see no problem with violating laws they don''t like in the name of non-violent resistance. Abuse makes kids psychologically dependent and that only helps liberals indoctrinate. Downright deplorable for sure. This argues for http://www.homeschool.com/ that''s for sure. The fact that it occurs more to minorities is probably because, they''re liberal and won''t complain against the liberal schools unlike whites. M109876 and Bmxer94 are right in their postings below that''s for sure.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 9:57 PM PDT

i am glad that i live and go to school in NewYork where corporal punishment is illigal


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Posted by Bmxer94 at 09:42 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Oh, yea....right.......and in NYC.....anyone can see the results of no corporal punishment.....the kids are running the schools as many kids are training their parents up in the way they want them to go. You will eat the fruit of your ignorance.

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by sweetchuckd August 20, 2008 10:01 PM PDT

This story made DetentionSlip.org! A leader for crazy headlines in education.

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 10:04 PM PDT

There''s been little research done on the effectiveness of corporal punishment in schools, but plenty of studies have shown it doesn''t work in the home.


BS.....don''t believe it!

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by dmhphils August 20, 2008 10:10 PM PDT

First, it''s same sxx marriages. Then ban spanking children in the home or anywhere.

We are launching out on a path of no return and certain devestation which will bear fruit for generations to come. We are on the road to experiencing what it''s like to live WITHOUT GOD! It is what people want, and God, being the gentleman He is, will allow us to have it.

When men begin to believe they are wiser than their Creator, all hell is about to break loose.

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by Scooter68 August 20, 2008 10:10 PM PDT

M109876 said "If I were to strike a teacher with a board, I would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon..." The fact that you don''t know the difference is a great example of the problems education is suffering from in this country. The story itself is extremely biased in presentation and assumptions and it''s a shame. Schools are losing control and the responsibility falls on the shoulders of administrators and the "educated" parents who cannot believe that their precious would ever do anything wrong.
Corporal punishment is on of the last step options before suspension or expulsion. Unfortunately too many schools have too few options in between "No" and Suspension/explusion. Paddling should only to be used very sparingly and under very specific guidelines but it can and should be used in schools. Parents who refuse to let their children be subjected to paddling should be informed that the next option is a suspension. Unfortunately the NEA has gone so far left that they have essential destroyed the US educational system.

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by idnnsg August 20, 2008 10:46 PM PDT

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) -- (ret.arded)jeff92706

This verse is about EDUCATING your children, not about beating them! The "rod" was an educational tool, a measuring device, etc. It was NOT a stick used to beat children.

Sick, evil, deluded, and totally ig.norant are the best words to describe "Christians" who beat their children.

Thorough scientific research has conclusively established that physical punishment creates fear, aversion, hatred, and disrespect for the person administering the punishment. If it is not applied rationally, such punishment leads to serious mental problems, including more violence, in those who were punished.

Physical punishment does NOT work. It has NEVER worked. Only ign.orant fo.ols think otherwise.

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by stupidrules3 August 20, 2008 11:01 PM PDT

Teaching the uncivilized has always been difficult. If you can''''t paddle ''''em, kick ''''em out of school. Let ''''THEIR VILLAGE'''' educate them.


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Posted by haoli25 at 08:21 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Good one haoli. If the schools can''t do anything with them let, the parents handle it.

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by libsluv2spit August 20, 2008 11:13 PM PDT

Physical punishment does NOT work. It has NEVER worked. Only ign.orant fo.ols think otherwise.

Posted by IDNNSG at 10:46 PM : Aug 20, 2008
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i really really really really doubt that these hords of liberal educated UNEDUCATED students and not to mention generations of morons who grew up under liberal style education were waterboarded, quartered or whipped..

"hugging kids" when do bad DOES NOT WORK..EVER WORKED OR WILL WORK..
simple punishment worked before..remember those times when high school student means a student that CAN READ..

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by stupidrules3 August 20, 2008 11:17 PM PDT

The headline should read "ONLY 200,000 Kids Physically Punished In School."

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by August 20, 2008 11:29 PM PDT

if it''s legal to beat kids when they''re unruly, why can''t employers do the same? Shouldn''t husbands be able to do that for wives who are not being submissive?!?! Or maybe wives for cr@ppy husbands!!!

Oh, yeah, I remember why... IT''S ILLEGAL!!! IT''S CALLED ASSAULT AND BATTERY!!!!

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[m109876]

I was surprised to hear this. I thought corporal punishment vanished years ago. I realize teachers need to maintain control, but there must be a better way. I believe striking a child with a weapon sends the wrong message. It tells them violence is ok. If I were to strike a teacher with a board, I would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, and sent to prison for years. So what''s the difference?

[twocrazynuts]

Now here I thought after all these years that all you young parents wanted the government and evryone else to be responsible to raise your kids because your to busy or irresponsible to do so. What do ya know, i must have been wrong. I always thought dicipline was part of raising kids, teaches them responsibility for their actions. Something a lot of parents are sorely lacking.
Spare the rod spoil the child was how I was raised and how my 4 kids were raised;and not one of my four kids will ever say that they were abused and they are quite proud of how they were raised.
A little corporal punishment never hurt anyone, but just maybe you should do it yourself before accusing hard working teachers of abusing your beautiful,angelic innocent children.

[yankeerebel7]

A little tough love never anyone.

[haoli25]

Teaching the uncivilized has always been difficult. If you can''t paddle ''em, kick ''em out of school. Let ''THEIR VILLAGE'' educate them.

[yankeerebel7]

Edit: Hurt anyone.

[dmhphils]

Posted by Voltaire777 at 08:42 PM : Aug 20, 2008

And you represent the minority of new age twits that want to throw out all tradition and foundational truths that have been proven throughout the decades. The evidence of the turning away from these traditions is glaring you in the face which is undeniable, but the liberals still head for the cliff......blindly pushing on toward destruction and dragging their children down the tubes with them. Open your eyes!

[dmhphils]

Posted by Voltaire777 at 08:42 PM : Aug 20, 2008

And you represent the minority of new age twits that want to throw out all tradition and foundational truths that have been proven throughout the decades. The evidence of the turning away from these traditions is glaring you in the face which is undeniable, but the liberals still head for the cliff......blindly pushing on toward destruction and dragging their children down the tubes with them. Open your eyes!

[dmhphils]

Why don''''t you leave this topic to people who have studied it and have reliable data on it, and leave your love for "American culture and tradition" out of it, since tradition justifies nothing.


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Posted by Voltaire777 at 08:46 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Why don''t you leave your hate for grass roots America at the door on your way down.

[jankebenz]

Judging by the huge number of rebellious, crime prone ,teens and adults out there,I,d say the rod has been spared an awfull lot. Proper parenting and guidance has become a rarity.

[dmhphils]

If you hit my 3 yr old, I''''m coming down to the school with a gun. There will be no corporal punishment to a 3 yr old. You''''ll deal with me and I''''ll deal with the hang man but you "will" deal with me.


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Posted by maxify55 at 08:51 PM : Aug 20, 2008


What is your goofy 3 year old doing at school anyway?

Aren''t you mature enough and responsible enough to handle a 3 year old without having the state do it??

[meandmesa]

Would you rather have kids do the right thing because they are afraid of being punished or because they feel good inside knowing they did something positive which translates into their having a far more healthy view of self which increases the likelihood of their becoming productive, positive members of society? Corporal punishment causes kids to operate out of the lowest form of moral development which is oppositional to what we want our kids to be like as adults. In addition, just because punishment "works" in the moment to stop bad behavior doesn''t mean that it''s good to use or that it translates into kids exhibiting socially acceptable behavior once the punisher or punishment disappears. For example, do kids treat each other with dignity and respect on the playground, or on the bus when the punisment is no longer being threatened? Unforturnately, children often mimic or act out the corporal punishment that was used on them which is what makes corporal punishment so insidiuos in terms of the long term negative impact it can have on a child''s growth and development.

Instead of using corporal punishment, it is far more effective to understand and address the root cause of the inappropriate behavior and to have kids make restitution for what they did wrong i.e. help a child rebuild the blocks that s/he knocked down, fix what they broke, repair the damaged relationship, etc.

[meandmesa]

Would you rather have kids do the right thing because they are afraid of being punished or because they feel good inside knowing they did something positive which translates into their having a far more healthy view of self which increases the likelihood of their becoming productive, positive members of society? Corporal punishment causes kids to operate out of the lowest form of moral development which is oppositional to what we want our kids to be like as adults. In addition, just because punishment "works" in the moment to stop bad behavior doesn''t mean that it''s good to use or that it translates into kids exhibiting socially acceptable behavior once the punisher or punishment disappears. For example, do kids treat each other with dignity and respect on the playground, or on the bus when the punisment is no longer being threatened? Unforturnately, children often mimic or act out the corporal punishment that was used on them which is what makes corporal punishment so insidiuos in terms of the long term negative impact it can have on a child''s growth and development.

Instead of using corporal punishment, it is far more effective to understand and address the root cause of the inappropriate behavior and to have kids make restitution for what they did wrong i.e. help a child rebuild the blocks that s/he knocked down, fix what they broke, repair the damaged relationship, etc.

[kc9cvr]

I do believe that a parent should spank their child if their behavior is out of line. My 3yr old daughter gets 1 to 5 swats on her behind depending on the severity of her behavior (i.e.-hitting my 5yr old sister got her 5 swats, playing with cords she knows not to touch gets her 1). But I do NOT want Joe-Smith-Teacher down at the school spanking her. Discipline is the parents'' job, and my husband and I take care of it. Someone who is practically a stranger has no right to spank my child. I''m going to have to look into the laws regarding this in my state. She''ll be going to preschool next year, the school won''t take her this year.

[dmhphils]

Parents have forgotten how to say "no" to their children because they have latched on to some ***-eyed drivel from psychologists who are raking in the moolaaaa for thier advice.

Parents seem to be afraid of their children, even a three year old. They don''t understand their authority as parents and what is expected of them. In short, they are ready the wrong books and listening to the wrong advice. Need to latch on to God and ask Him for His counsel from the giver of truth,,,,,,but, it will probably have to get much much worse before they will admit they need real help. It may even take as long as it takes for same sux couples to be in the majority.

[omded]

Good for you, Maxify55!!! That''s the same way I see it. If a teacher or school administrator has a problem with one of my kids, they need to talk to me about it. If they want to take administrative action against my kids, that''s fine. But anyone who beats up on my child answers to me, and I''ll make sure that person tastes a good dose of their own violence. Fathers protect their families.

Why can''t schools just expell bad kids? Expell them and ban them from campus. It''s that easy. Of course, I know in a lot of states, the schools get paid money for each child, so they aren''t likely to do that.

[dmhphils]

Posted by meandmesa at 08:57 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Your method sounds heavenly on paper, but happens to be responsible for the current trend of aimless and misguided youth who are allowed to "express themselves" however they choose, without regard to the fact that the "self" is precisely the problem. From "self" comes "selfishness".

No one has ever had to teach a child how to do the wrong thing.....they do it naturally. No, they must be taught to do the right thing. Anyone who has the minimal knowledge of human nature is able to grasp this fact right off the bat and doesn''t need any psychological mumbo jumbo to get there......it is common sense.

[hawksprings]

What do you call 200,000 kids physically punished in school?

[omded]

noseonurface,
Just go ahead and try to teach one of my kids what you think is "right" with physical violence, and I''ll break that nose on your face with a solid piece of wood called a baseball bat. That ought to teach you how to leave my kid alone.

[hawksprings]

A good start.

[buckdaddy333]

I would just like to say this. I am a forty yr old man who firmly believes in spanking a child when it is appropriate. I received my share of spankings while growing up and am thankful for them, I believe they helped to shape the man I am. They did not make me a criminal, aggressive, or more violent. They did teach me that there are consequences for my actions. Spankings are not an end all be all, but they do have there place. Physical consequences always taught me more than verbal. If you knew me you would know that I have grown to be a responsible, well mannered, respectful individual. And I thank my parents, and teachers for having the fortitude to teach me right from wrong, and whooping my butt when needed, without it I would not be the person I am today.

[buckdaddy333]

I would just like to say this. I am a forty yr old man who firmly believes in spanking a child when it is appropriate. I received my share of spankings while growing up and am thankful for them, I believe they helped to shape the man I am. They did not make me a criminal, aggressive, or more violent. They did teach me that there are consequences for my actions. Spankings are not an end all be all, but they do have there place. Physical consequences always taught me more than verbal. If you knew me you would know that I have grown to be a responsible, well mannered, respectful individual. And I thank my parents, and teachers for having the fortitude to teach me right from wrong, and whooping my butt when needed, without it I would not be the person I am today.

[hawksprings]

Spanking a child should not the the first resort, or the only discipline option. But spankings have their place in the raising of a child. Just like time-outs, grounding, chores, loss of privileges, etc.

[dmhphils]

That ought to teach you how to leave my kid alone.


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Posted by omded at 09:16 PM : Aug 20, 2008


At 3 years old, what is your kid doing in school? You can''t handle him at home or what?

Nobody is talking about physical violence. I am talking about loving discipline with the rod just as God prescribes.

Listen to you!!!!! Just go ahead and try to teach one of my kids what you think is "right" with physical violence, and I''''ll break that nose on your face with a solid piece of wood called a baseball bat.

Looks like you got a handle on physical violence already. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[buckdaddy333]

I would just like to say this. I am a forty yr old man who firmly believes in spanking a child when it is appropriate. I received my share of spankings while growing up and am thankful for them, I believe they helped to shape the man I am. They did not make me a criminal, aggressive, or more violent. They did teach me that there are consequences for my actions. Spankings are not an end all be all, but they do have there place. Physical consequences always taught me more than verbal. If you knew me you would know that I have grown to be a responsible, well mannered, respectful individual. And I thank my parents, and teachers for having the fortitude to teach me right from wrong, and whooping my butt when needed, without it I would not be the person I am today.

[dmhphils]

Posted by Buckdaddy333 at 09:16 PM : Aug 20, 2008


BRAVO SIR, I ECHO YOUR RECIPE FOR LIFE PRECISELY AS YOU SAID IT.

[m109876]

Isn''t it against the law in some states for parents to strike a child? I believe CPS (Child Protective Services)frowns on this and will prosicute in the state of Texas. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but please don''t hit me.

[bmxer94]

Really hitting kids school is supposed to be safe you can sew the school if your child gets hurt especially if your teacher hit him

[bmxer94]

I thought corporal punishment is not allowed in all the states the schools should disipline kids by being strict and stern not hitting kids i am glad that i live and go to school in NewYork where corporal punishment is illigal

I think that corporal punishment is for idiots. It is for people who are too stupid to think up a more creative punishment.

It''s also for those people who are more interested in telling someone what they did wrong as opposed to encouraging positive behavior.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[dmhphils]

Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.


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Posted by jbkgull at 09:51 PM : Aug 20, 2008

Excellent and true to life. Thank you

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[jbkgull]

I found the story presented to be an example of highly biased journalism with only one small portion of the story representing the other side of the issue. I live in a state that allows corporal punishment and there is a definable difference in corporal punishment that is implemented appropriately and fairly with the consent of the parent and "hitting". I found the comparison to abuse to be inaccurate. Typical viewpoint of the "Time out Generation". Now we have a bunch of unmotivated, entitled individuals growing up in our society , who do not feel as if rules apply due to the absence of negative consequences. We have one of the fasted rising drop out rates in the westernized world now. When are we going to wake up. I have a child in the public school system and I trust that my educators will implement appropriate discipline if need be. If we leave the discipline up to the parents do you really think it is going to happen? That is precisely why those kids are getting into trouble...a lack of parental guidance and limit setting. I am very disappointed in CBS. Journalism? Be serious.

[denn034]

Corporal punishment is child abuse. What else do you expect from liberal teachers that see no problem with indoctrinating kids to accomplish their agenda just like communists and dictators do? Some people will say that making it illegal will stop it but, that ignores the fact that liberals see no problem with violating laws they don''t like in the name of non-violent resistance. Abuse makes kids psychologically dependent and that only helps liberals indoctrinate. Downright deplorable for sure. This argues for http://www.homeschool.com/ that''s for sure. The fact that it occurs more to minorities is probably because, they''re liberal and won''t complain against the liberal schools unlike whites. M109876 and Bmxer94 are right in their postings below that''s for sure.

[dmhphils]

i am glad that i live and go to school in NewYork where corporal punishment is illigal


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Posted by Bmxer94 at 09:42 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Oh, yea....right.......and in NYC.....anyone can see the results of no corporal punishment.....the kids are running the schools as many kids are training their parents up in the way they want them to go. You will eat the fruit of your ignorance.

[sweetchuckd]

This story made DetentionSlip.org! A leader for crazy headlines in education.

[dmhphils]

There''s been little research done on the effectiveness of corporal punishment in schools, but plenty of studies have shown it doesn''t work in the home.


BS.....don''t believe it!

[dmhphils]

First, it''s same sxx marriages. Then ban spanking children in the home or anywhere.

We are launching out on a path of no return and certain devestation which will bear fruit for generations to come. We are on the road to experiencing what it''s like to live WITHOUT GOD! It is what people want, and God, being the gentleman He is, will allow us to have it.

When men begin to believe they are wiser than their Creator, all hell is about to break loose.

[Scooter68]

M109876 said "If I were to strike a teacher with a board, I would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon..." The fact that you don''t know the difference is a great example of the problems education is suffering from in this country. The story itself is extremely biased in presentation and assumptions and it''s a shame. Schools are losing control and the responsibility falls on the shoulders of administrators and the "educated" parents who cannot believe that their precious would ever do anything wrong.
Corporal punishment is on of the last step options before suspension or expulsion. Unfortunately too many schools have too few options in between "No" and Suspension/explusion. Paddling should only to be used very sparingly and under very specific guidelines but it can and should be used in schools. Parents who refuse to let their children be subjected to paddling should be informed that the next option is a suspension. Unfortunately the NEA has gone so far left that they have essential destroyed the US educational system.

[idnnsg]

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) -- (ret.arded)jeff92706

This verse is about EDUCATING your children, not about beating them! The "rod" was an educational tool, a measuring device, etc. It was NOT a stick used to beat children.

Sick, evil, deluded, and totally ig.norant are the best words to describe "Christians" who beat their children.

Thorough scientific research has conclusively established that physical punishment creates fear, aversion, hatred, and disrespect for the person administering the punishment. If it is not applied rationally, such punishment leads to serious mental problems, including more violence, in those who were punished.

Physical punishment does NOT work. It has NEVER worked. Only ign.orant fo.ols think otherwise.

[stupidrules3]

Teaching the uncivilized has always been difficult. If you can''''t paddle ''''em, kick ''''em out of school. Let ''''THEIR VILLAGE'''' educate them.


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Posted by haoli25 at 08:21 PM : Aug 20, 2008


Good one haoli. If the schools can''t do anything with them let, the parents handle it.

[libsluv2spit]

Physical punishment does NOT work. It has NEVER worked. Only ign.orant fo.ols think otherwise.

Posted by IDNNSG at 10:46 PM : Aug 20, 2008
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i really really really really doubt that these hords of liberal educated UNEDUCATED students and not to mention generations of morons who grew up under liberal style education were waterboarded, quartered or whipped..

"hugging kids" when do bad DOES NOT WORK..EVER WORKED OR WILL WORK..
simple punishment worked before..remember those times when high school student means a student that CAN READ..

[stupidrules3]

The headline should read "ONLY 200,000 Kids Physically Punished In School."

if it''s legal to beat kids when they''re unruly, why can''t employers do the same? Shouldn''t husbands be able to do that for wives who are not being submissive?!?! Or maybe wives for cr@ppy husbands!!!

Oh, yeah, I remember why... IT''S ILLEGAL!!! IT''S CALLED ASSAULT AND BATTERY!!!!