Russia Pulls Back But Flexes Muscle

NATO Demands Immediate Withdrawal From Georgia; U.N. Security Council Meets

(CBS/AP)  Russia took the first steps toward a troop pullback from Georgia on Tuesday but at the same time paraded blindfolded and bound Georgian prisoners on armored vehicles and seized four U.S. Humvees.

The mixed signals came as U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her 25 NATO counterparts met in emergency session in Belgium and demanded Russia fulfill its promise to withdraw its forces from the small former Soviet republic.

"The Russian president hasn’t kept his promise to abide by the terms of the ceasefire," Rice told CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent Lara Logan in an exclusive interview in Brussels.

"What is clearly happening now is that Russia’s reputation as a responsible actor in international politics - a Russia, by the way, that is a member of the Security Council, is behaving in wholly irresponsible ways," Rice said.

Within hours, the U.N. Security Council held emergency consultations, demanding an immediate Russian withdrawal, Logan reports.

"Russia is very clearly isolating itself, it's becoming more and more the outlaw in this conflict," Rice said.

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Read the transcript of Lara Logan's exclusive interview with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

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A small Russian column including three tanks, three trucks, five armored personnel carriers and a rocket-launcher left Gori, the central city that straddles a vital east-west highway. A Russian officer said they were headed for South Ossetia, the disputed province at the heart of the conflict, then home to Russia.

The move toward withdrawal came on the same day as a powerful image of Russia's grip over Georgia: Russian trucks and armored vehicles carrying about 20 Georgian men, blindfolded, handcuffed and held at gunpoint.

They were taken from the western city of Poti to the nearby, Russian-controlled military base in Senaki, according to Poti's mayor, who said he had been told they would be released on Wednesday.

Mayor Vano Taginadze said the men, Georgian military and police troops, had been taken captive because the Georgians refused to let Russian armored vehicles into the port of Poti, along Georgia's Black Sea coast.

A Georgian defense spokeswoman said eight servicemen detained while trying to guard the port were among those held.

Also in Poti, Russian soldiers commandeered four Humvees that had been used in U.S.-Georgian military exercises and were destined to be shipped back to the United States.

The Pentagon said it was looking into the theft. Georgian Deputy Defense Minister Batu Kutelia said Russian forces seized the vehicles.

Russian forces in Poti also blocked access to the city's naval and commercial ports on Tuesday morning and towed the missile boat Dioskuria, one of the navy's most sophisticated vessels, out of sight of observers. A loud explosion was heard minutes later, and a Georgian interior spokesman said the Russians had blown up the boat.

The acts of force demonstrated anew that Russia, days after agreeing to a cease-fire with Georgia, remained in control in much of the country, and that the state of the Georgian military was far from stable.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said Russia was not only flouting its withdrawal commitment but that its forces were "not losing time" in damaging Georgia by destroying infrastructure.

"Right now there are Russian soldiers and tanks at Poti," Georgian Finance Minister Nika Gilavri said. "They want to open every single container" and inspect them.

Georgian television showed footage of a tense standoff at a military training base in northwestern Georgia, where Russian troops tried to enter but were turned away by Georgia police. There was no violence, but the report said the Russians threatened to return and destroy the base if they were not allowed in.

The two nations did exchange 20 prisoners of war - 15 Georgians and five Russians, according to the head of Georgia's Security Council - in an effort to reduce tensions.

On the diplomatic front, NATO foreign ministers suspended their formal contacts with Russia as punishment. Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said "there can be no business as usual with Russia under present circumstances."

But the NATO allies, bowing to pressure from European nations that depend heavily on Russia for energy, stopped short of more severe penalties being pushed by the United States.

The Russian Ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, dismissed the impact of the emergency meeting in Brussels, Belgium: "The mountain gave birth to a mouse."

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said NATO was trying to make a victim of Georgia's "criminal regime." Georgia's desire for NATO membership is strongly opposed by Russia.

Lavrov also said it was Georgian troops who needed to pull back to their permanent bases first.

The White House made clear it expected Russia to move faster. "It didn't take them really three or four days to get into Georgia, and it really shouldn't take them three or four days to get out," spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

The hostilities began earlier this month. Georgia cracked down on South Ossetia, which is internationally recognized as within Georgian borders but tilts toward Moscow and has expressed its independence, and Russia answered by sending its troops and tanks across the Georgian border.

A cease-fire signed by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili calls for Russian forces to pull back to the positions they held before Aug. 7.

The Kremlin said Medvedev told French President Nicolas Sarkozy by phone Tuesday that Russian troops would withdraw from most of Georgia by Friday - some to Russia, others to South Ossetia and a surrounding "security zone" set in 1999.

More American C-130 transport planes brought in tons of relief supplies for the tens of thousands displaced by the conflict, and the U.S. said it would help for as long as needed.

U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Jon Miller said he was told food is the major issue for people west of the capital, Tbilisi, because only sporadic convoys carrying rations had been able to get through.

Georgian government officials said Russian checkpoints had made it difficult to get supplies into some areas, including Poti.

Tensions also flared between Russia and another former Soviet republic seeking NATO membership, Ukraine. The two countries sparred over Russia's use of a naval base in the port of Sevastopol, which it is renting from Ukraine. The Kremlin wants the Russian ships to remain in Sevastopol even when the current lease expires in 2017.

Ukraine's pro-Western President, Viktor Yushchenko, sided with Georgia in its conflict with Russia and moved to restrict the movement of Russian ships in the port. Ukraine's foreign minister later said Ukraine would not physically prevent Russian ships from entering and leaving the base.

[tapsettle]

Russia are probably too busy laughing their socks off at Bush and Rice to withdraw their troops. Bush must be spitting purple raspberries to see the billions he spent on new Georgian military bases completely trashed to a pile of loose rubble. That plus the additional billions spent on providing Georgia with latest weaponry to stock in them which is now in Russian hands. Rice is also having a tough time trying to reduce the humiliation, but her empty rhetoric is just making them laugh more. Come to think of it, it''s making me laugh my socks off too.

[tapsettle]

NATO and Rice need to be careful today as they need permission to cross Russian territory to access Afghanistan. With 10 French NATO soldiers killed there today I suspect the hypocritical US rhetoric now needs to be toned down.

[pirmin3]

Russia knows they can slap down US lap dogs with impunity. Putin must be LHAO. The USA is a spent force that no longer need be reckoned with on the global front.

[tapsettle]

The USA is a spent force that no longer need be reckoned with on the global front.
Posted by pirmin3

Correct. This is the terrible price of the last 8 years, and one that is ultimately attributable to the US electorate. The integrity of the once greatest and most respected nations on earth is now, by recent global polls, somewhere down the list past Cyprus.

[underdogus30]

Russia are probably too busy laughing their socks off at Bush and Rice to withdraw their troops. Bush must be spitting purple raspberries to see the billions he spent on new Georgian military bases completely trashed to a pile of loose rubble. That plus the additional billions spent on providing Georgia with latest weaponry to stock in them which is now in Russian hands. Rice is also having a tough time trying to reduce the humiliation, but her empty rhetoric is just making them laugh more. Come to think of it, it''''s making me laugh my socks off too.

Posted by tapsettle he,he yep and Iraq occupation is costing the United States a whopping $5.54MILLION an hour

[underdogus30]

Russia to U.S.: Choose us or Georgia

[underdogus30]

BREAKING NEWS:NATO calls on Russia to honor cease-fire with Georgia...stay tuned folks

So ... Bush McCain decide to put a missile defense system in Poland then ratchet up the rhetoric on Russia when it retaliates against Georgia.

The Russian response ... Iran wants nuclear weapons ... Russia will give Iran nuclear weapons. And there''s not a fricking thing United States or Nato can do about it.

Yet another good move by BushMcCain

[nextgenman]

I love that picture of Condi the Inept. Looks like she''s ready to cry because nobody takes her seriously.

[oleander8]

To: Humanavance

Don''t you have any original words of your own?

[jlmcscanner]

So ... Bush McCain decide to put a missile defense system in Poland then ratchet up the rhetoric on Russia when it retaliates against Georgia.

The Russian response ... Iran wants nuclear weapons ... Russia will give Iran nuclear weapons. And there''''s not a fricking thing United States or Nato can do about it.

Yet another good move by BushMcCain


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Posted by beaupritchar at 08:50 AM : Aug 19, 2008

We are already going to bomb the hell out of Iran anyway, just another target to hit.Dumb russian mongol slavs.

[alien_view]

This is just another case where the United Nations and all of their BS means nothing in the scope of the world situation today. What a total waste of money. We don''t need the UN. We already help the poor and starving. The UN won''t stand up to Russia, China, North Korea or any radical government. Why should anyone be surprised by what Russia is doing.....realistacally, who is going to stop them? NO ONE. Why can''t Georgia be a multi-ethnic country without, the Russians cutting out a piece just for those who are Russians. Next they will want a piece for the French, the Checks and so on. Georgia is a sovern country leave them the hell alone and let them decide how they want to live and govern.

[underdogus30]

NEXT: CHINA INVADES TAIWAN....

[jlmcscanner]

Russia knows they can slap down US lap dogs with impunity. Putin must be LHAO. The USA is a spent force that no longer need be reckoned with on the global front.


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Posted by pirmin3 at 07:54 AM : Aug 19, 2008

Really, then why are the dumb russian mongols leaving ??? Why did`nt they just take over all of Georgia ???

[jlmcscanner]

NEXT: CHINA INVADES TAIWAN....


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Posted by underdogus30 at 09:07 AM : Aug 19, 2008

Yeah.. and the chinese living standard will start to be above $10,000 a yr per capita.... not likely either.

[underdogus30]

Frederick the Great of Prussia once counseled his war cabinet: "Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." To those who counseled caution in the face of aggression, he responded that nations that were not prepared to protect their strategic interests would, in a short order, have no strategic interests to protect. The intervening three centuries have not diminished the truth of the principle.

[underdogus30]

Al Qaeda and its global Islamic terrorist affiliates came to the conclusion that America''s weakness stemmed from a post-Vietnam conviction that required future wars to be short, antiseptic and casualty free. Bin Laden summed up his perception of Americans in an interview with ABC News reporter John Miller, published in Esquire in 1998: %u201CAfter leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized, more than before, that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows%u2026%u2026would run in defeat.%u201D

[underdogus30]

BIN LADEN:"We have seen in the last decade the decline of American power and the weakness of the American soldier who is ready to wage Cold Wars, but unprepared to fight long wars. This was proven in Beirut in 1983 when the Marines fled after two explosions. It also proves they can run in less than 24 hours, and this was also repeated in Somalia (in 1993)." Three years later, on September 11, 2001, al Qaeda turned our planes into cruise missiles and murdered three thousand Americans in New York, Washington and the fields of Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

[jlmcscanner]

Al Qaeda and its global Islamic terrorist affiliates came to the conclusion that America''''s weakness stemmed from a post-Vietnam conviction that required future wars to be short, antiseptic and casualty free. Bin Laden summed up his perception of Americans in an interview with ABC News reporter John Miller, published in Esquire in 1998: %u201CAfter leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized, more than before, that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows%u2026%u2026would run in defeat.%u201D




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Posted by underdogus30 at 09:15 AM : Aug 19, 2008

Yeah again the last 7yrs the US kicked out Al Qaeda and Bin Laden is hiding in caves not the US soldiers.Bin Laden said he was in battle against the big bad russians, then why is he hiding ??? We will be in Afghanistan for a very long time...it just one more base for power projection.

[underdogus30]

Which brings us back to al Qaeda''s current perception of an American "paper tiger" thrashing about to find %u201Can honorable exit%u201D

[underdogus30]

There comes a point in time when verbal threats become meaningless, noble words ring hollow and righteous proclamations become counter-productive. For America, that point has been reached.

[jlmcscanner]

BIN LADEN:"We have seen in the last decade the decline of American power and the weakness of the American soldier who is ready to wage Cold Wars, but unprepared to fight long wars. This was proven in Beirut in 1983 when the Marines fled after two explosions. It also proves they can run in less than 24 hours, and this was also repeated in Somalia (in 1993)." Three years later, on September 11, 2001, al Qaeda turned our planes into cruise missiles and murdered three thousand Americans in New York, Washington and the fields of Shanksville, Pennsylvania.



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Posted by underdogus30 at 09:18 AM : Aug 19, 2008

Another posting from a leftist defeatist liberal, I would be glad to pay for your relocation to Russia, China, Iran, Cuba or any other third world totalitarian dictatorship.Please take the offer and enjoy because I know you suck all the benfits of living in America without ever giving anything back to this great country that has given you more than any place else on earth.I swear we have more enemies within than without.

[catalink-2009]

Now that the military phase of this conflict is nearing its end, it''ll be interesting to see what impact this war will have elsewhere.

Steve Levine has an interesting take on how the war in Georgia could affect the power balance in Russia.

Levine knows the subject well: he covered previous wars in Abkhazia, Southern Ossetia, Nagorkno-Karabakh, Chechnya, Tajikistan, as well as the Soviet-Afghan war: http://oilandglory.com/2008/08/dimas-moment.html

[nextgenman]

Another posting from a leftist defeatist liberal, I would be glad to pay for your relocation to Russia, China, Iran, Cuba or any other third world totalitarian dictatorship.Please take the offer and enjoy because I know you suck all the benfits of living in America without ever giving anything back to this great country that has given you more than any place else on earth.I swear we have more enemies within than without.

Posted by jlmcscanner at 09:25 AM : Aug 19, 2008
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Yawn. You''re just mad because Georgia isn''t the only thing Russia is pulling out of after being satisfied with the outcome. I''ll bet Bush is really sore right now....

[ajaxtheleast]

Mercifully Putin left the Georgian soldiers
with their camouflage uniforms so they can
sneak back into their neighborhoods.

But now they have nothing to do.

Enter the Republican Senators.

Republican Senators know what to
do when there''s nothing AND
there''s everything to do,

Soon, driving past any place in Georgia
where there used to be an Army barracks
one will see replicas of American mens
public restrooms with candy machines,
various other dispensing machine and
option manuals for three
or more in a stall.

[jlmcscanner]

Another posting from a leftist defeatist liberal, I would be glad to pay for your relocation to Russia, China, Iran, Cuba or any other third world totalitarian dictatorship.Please take the offer and enjoy because I know you suck all the benfits of living in America without ever giving anything back to this great country that has given you more than any place else on earth.I swear we have more enemies within than without.

Posted by jlmcscanner at 09:25 AM : Aug 19, 2008
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Yawn. You''''re just mad because Georgia isn''''t the only thing Russia is pulling out of after being satisfied with the outcome. I''''ll bet Bush is really sore right now....


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Posted by nextGenMan at 09:32 AM : Aug 19, 2008

Incorrect...I do not care about Bush... I care about my country which is more than you can can.Go back to rooting for our countries demise.Better yet try it from Russia instead.

[nolalou]

Another posting from a leftist defeatist liberal, I would be glad to pay for your relocation to Russia, China, Iran, Cuba or any other third world totalitarian dictatorship.Please take the offer and enjoy because I know you suck all the benfits of living in America without ever giving anything back to this great country that has given you more than any place else on earth.I swear we have more enemies within than without.
Posted by jlmcscanner at 09:25 AM : Aug 19, 2008

Your posting shows you have NO appreciation of what America is SUPPOSED to be all about, freedom to dissent, to object to government policies, etc. It is in dictatorships and communist countries that opposition is punished. Sorry, but those who don''t agree with you are NOT enemies of the USA, and we are NOT GOING ANYWHERE! We have every right to be here are voice our opinions as you do! It does not make us the enemy!

[nextgenman]

Incorrect...I do not care about Bush... I care about my country which is more than you can can.Go back to rooting for our countries demise.Better yet try it from Russia instead.

Posted by jlmcscanner at 09:35 AM : Aug 19, 2008
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Again, yawn. What a little nit thinking that if someone doesn''t agree with your bumpkin opinion that they don''t love their country.

Get over yourself hick.

[jlmcscanner]

Incorrect...I do not care about Bush... I care about my country which is more than you can can.Go back to rooting for our countries demise.Better yet try it from Russia instead.

Posted by jlmcscanner at 09:35 AM : Aug 19, 2008
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Again, yawn. What a little nit thinking that if someone doesn''''t agree with your bumpkin opinion that they don''''t love their country.

Get over yourself hick.


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Posted by nextGenMan at 09:59 AM : Aug 19, 2008


I will if you will "Boy"

[beehive21-2009]

How many Humvees did they steal ?

[shazam115]

Posted by shazam115 at 09:44 AM : Aug 19, 2008

Go live in Russia instead of sucking the country dry, you probably have never done a real days work in your life... shamshizzle or whatever etthnic junk you are using today.


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Posted by jlmcscanner at 09:49 AM : Aug 19, 2008

P-i-ss boy jimmy truth is hurting you poor baby...the last time I checked when your country of incompetents and r-etards could not find a place to dump their junk and came running to us to get rid of it.....creepy crawlly yellow belly dangling to your knees coward like those monty pythons.....sucking dry is an american style....and I love using those american services provided by your type p-i-ss boy jimmy...why go to russia when I have the best country in the world to live ..and certainly its not the country of yanks diddly doo''''s ....


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Posted by shazam115 at 10:10 AM : Aug 19, 2008
+ report abuse

[georgew1956]

now get out your pencil and paper georgie and learn something here? you attack your point and stay a couple of weeks make your presents known and you get out ( no body dies and you look strong ) well here we are still in war with who nobody seems to know who
this makes russia look ( i hate to sayit good ) and condie you shut up you are starting to sound like Katie ( A person looking for a fight ).

[tawpdawg111]

"An Associated Press photographer saw Russian trucks and armored personnel carriers leaving the port with about 20 blindfolded and handcuffed men riding on them. "
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If they had jumper cables hooked to their sacks and dobermans hanging from their bleeding arms then you could rest assured they had captured some enemy combatants.

[bigwhtpony]

Gee, I wonder why you don''t see Russians protesting in the streets.....burning effigies of Putin?? Wonder why you don''t see the Russian press slamming the Russian gov''t for an ''illegal'' war?

Perhaps you bedwetting libs should give a little thanks that you live in a country where you can get away with stabbing it in the back.

[sepa2]

NATO and Rice need to be careful today as they need permission to cross Russian territory to access Afghanistan. With 10 French NATO soldiers killed there today I suspect the hypocritical US rhetoric now needs to be toned down.
Posted by tapsettle
I do not think this is true.Beside Russia also want Taliban out

[credibility2]

The Russians were never the type to be trusted for their word. Their actions speak volumes and now the rest of the civilized world is seeing Russia for what it has always been. They are worse than the U.S. They''re filth and not fit to belong to any civilized world organization, economic or otherwise. Any of their memberships should be permanently revoked. Unfortunately Georgia doesn''t have the fire power to start dropping some big ones on Russia to put them in their place and to remind them that they''re not world''s bully. NATO needs to accelerate its rhetoric and show some muscle. The U.N. should also sanction Russia.

[underdogus30]

Gee, I wonder why you don''''t see Russians protesting in the streets.....burning effigies of Putin?? Wonder why you don''''t see the Russian press slamming the Russian gov''''t for an ''''illegal'''' war?
Posted by bigwhtpony because it''s citizens are behind PUTIN 100% they support their government!!

[impeach__w]

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

Do you want to know who you are? Don''''t ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
Thomas Jefferson

I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Thomas Jefferson

[jerr11]

Slightly off topic but the best analysis of George W Bush''s accomplishments as president:

"I am sick and tired of the president of the United States embarrassing me. The world we live in is too complex to entrust it to someone else whose idea of intellectual curiosity and grasp of foreign policy issues is to tell us he can look into Vladimir Putin''s eyes and see into his soul.

George Bush''s record as a student, military man, businessman and leader of the free world is one of constant failure. And the part that troubles me most is he seems content with himself.

He will leave office with the country $10 trillion in debt, fighting two wars, our international reputation in shambles, our government cloaked in secrecy and suspicion that his entire presidency has been a litany of broken laws and promises, our citizens'' faith in our own country ripped to shreds. Yet Bush goes bumbling along, grinning and spewing moronic one-liners, as though nobody understands what a colossal failure he has been.

I fear to the depth of my being that John McCain is just like him."



More here:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/18/cafferty.mccain/index.html

[shazam115]

The Russians were never the type to be trusted for their word. Their actions speak volumes and now the rest of the civilized world is seeing Russia for what it has always been. They are worse than the U.S. They''''re filth and not fit to belong to any civilized world organization, economic or otherwise. Any of their memberships should be permanently revoked. Unfortunately Georgia doesn''''t have the fire power to start dropping some big ones on Russia to put them in their place and to remind them that they''''re not world''''s bully. NATO needs to accelerate its rhetoric and show some muscle. The U.N. should also sanction Russia.


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Posted by Credibility2 at 10:46 AM :

You lack total credibitity liar...America is made up of two face lying religious monsters,who are responsible for killing 1.2million innocent iraqi''s ,it was america that used agent orange in vietnam,its was america used nuclear weapons against japan because they could not defeat them fairly and squarely....gomer this is not 1970''s and your propaganda won''t fly ...we all know who the real criminals are doofus.....its your chimpanzee leader bushy and his yellow belly hog cheney .....and mccain in the loops...

[sepa2]

George Bush''''s record as a student, military man, businessman and leader of the free world is one of constant failure. And the part that troubles me most is he seems content with himself.
poated bu Jerr11
If this is true why they were not brought up in election. Democracts are more cluless and electing them will be not the answer.

[nextgenman]

ummmmmm haji

it is FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAM that slaughtered iraqi civilians,,,

GOT IT,,,

Posted by terrorislamz at 11:06 AM : Aug 19, 2008
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Hey Delores, yawn.

[nextgenman]

RINOs fail at everything they do. Now they''ve let Russia make fools out of us.

[underdogus30]

The U.S. doesn''t have the resources or the will to take on Russia and so whatever is coming out of the Bush White House is just more smoke and mirrors.

[beboldin09]

Cold War Part 2

[shazam115]

Posted by shazam115 at 11:01 AM : Aug 19, 2008

ummmmmm haji

it is FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAM that slaughtered iraqi civilians,,,

GOT IT,,,


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Posted by terrorislamz

I understand now terrorsalami that you are trapped in your delusions and thumping that filthy wall in gay city of jerusalem does not seem to be helping you ...I weep for your mommy for bring a buffoon like you to see the light of sun.....and the darkness of the jewish torah......hi moses...hi hitl...fill in the blanks your self...

[underdogus30]

McCain, speaking to reporters in Birmingham, Mich., also praised Bush''s announcement but said he was concerned the cease-fire did not do enough to guarantee Georgia''s "territorial integrity."

"I''m interested in good relations between the United States and Russia," he said. "But in the 21st century, nations don''t invade other nations.''''
huh?

[johnfjohnsto]

They are not hostages...they are enemy combatants who will be questioned with enhanced techniques. How is it that all these places in Georgia sound like some foreign country? Is anything going on in Atlanta? I have heard no mention of US sovereignty from President Bush. Are we too committed to Iraq and Afghanistan that there are no combat troups left at home?

[shazam115]

The Russians were never the type to be trusted for their word. Their actions speak volumes and now the rest of the civilized world is seeing Russia for what it has always been. They are worse than the U.S. They''''''''re filth and not fit to belong to any civilized world organization, economic or otherwise. Any of their memberships should be permanently revoked. Unfortunately Georgia doesn''''''''t have the fire power to start dropping some big ones on Russia to put them in their place and to remind them that they''''''''re not world''''''''s bully. NATO needs to accelerate its rhetoric and show some muscle. The U.N. should also sanction Russia.


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Posted by Credibility2 at 10:46 AM :

You lack total credibitity liar...America is made up of two face lying religious monsters,who are responsible for killing 1.2million innocent iraqi''''s ,it was america that used agent orange in vietnam,its was america used nuclear weapons against japan because they could not defeat them fairly and squarely....gomer this is not 1970''''s and your propaganda won''''t fly ...we all know who the real criminals are doofus.....its your chimpanzee leader bushy and his yellow belly hog cheney .....and mccain in the loops...


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Posted by shazam115 at 11:01 AM : Aug 19

[mecury69]

"The best analysis of George W Bush''s accomplishments as president?"

While this is not an endorsement or slight against any candidate, he''s the reason an American of African decent named Barack Obama in close to becoming the next president.

That is his greatest failure to his party and those that support conservative views.

Wow, how can you top that?