Some Clinton Backers Want To Keep Fighting

Group Plans To Make Noise For Clinton At Democratic Convention

(CBS/AP)  Still sore from an epic primary battle, some of Hillary Rodham Clinton's supporters aren't buying the unity theme planned for the Democratic National Convention.

They weren't mollified when nominee-in-waiting Barack Obama gave prime-time speaking slots to Clinton and her husband, the former president. Instead, they're itching for a fight and plan to wage one in Denver.

One group intends to paper the city with fliers, promote a video detailing what they contend were irregularities in the nominating process and unleash bloggers to give their take on the proceedings. Another group has purchased newspaper advertisements demanding that Clinton be included in a roll-call vote for the nomination.

"I am a very realistic woman," said Diane Mantouvalos, co-founder of the Just Say No Deal Coalition. "I don't think that anything is going to change, but I do think it is important to be heard, and this is our way of doing it."

Some of the disaffected Clinton supporters are open to supporting Obama; many are not.

Obama needs Clinton's supporters to beat Republican John McCain. Polls show that he has won over most of them. But some simply don't like Obama or still feel Clinton was treated unfairly during the primaries.

These groups are not affiliated with Clinton, who has endorsed Obama and campaigned for him. Representatives from the Clinton and Obama campaigns said they are working to unify the party because Obama will champion issues important to Clinton supporters, such as reforming health care, improving the economy and ending the war in Iraq.

"Senator Clinton understands and appreciates that there are supporters who remain passionate, but she has repeatedly urged her supporters to vote for Senator Obama," Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took a swipe at the Clinton die-hards Wednesday.

"I think Hillary Clinton has been very gracious," the San Francisco Democrat told Bay Area talk show host Ronn Owens. "I think some of her supporters have been less than gracious."

Nevertheless, many Clinton activists plan to voice their discontent in Denver.

Mantouvalos, a Miami public relations consultant, said her network is renting a 5,000-square-foot loft in Denver for its bloggers. Another outfit called The Denver Group is planning a reception the evening Hillary Clinton speaks at the convention. The group, which is pushing for Clinton's name to be placed in nomination, also hopes to raise enough money for a TV ad.

The Clinton and Obama campaigns have pledged in a joint statement to "ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected" at the convention.

CBS News chief political consultant Marc Ambinder reports that, according to advisers to both Clinton and Obama, the two sides are nearing an agreement on how Clinton's delegates will participate in the formal nominating process at the convention. (Click here to read more from Ambinder's report on TheAtlantic.com.)

"The only way a Democratic Party will have the credibility to elect a Democrat in November is if the party uses a legitimate process to choose its nominee," said Heidi Li Feldman, co-founder of The Denver Group. "We are not per se a Clinton support group, we are a Democratic Party get-your-act-together support group."

Some of the activists complain the Obama campaign manipulated party caucuses; others feel the media treated Clinton unfairly. Nearly all are still angry over how the party divvied up delegates from the Florida and Michigan primaries.

With the agreement of all Democratic candidates, the states were initially stripped of all their delegates for violating party rules by holding early primaries. None of the candidates campaigned in the two states, but Clinton won the two primaries and thereafter tried to get all the delegates seated.

The national party reinstated the delegates in May, but gave each a half vote. And it awarded Obama some Michigan delegates, although he had taken his name off that ballot because of the party's initial decision.

With the nomination clinched, Obama said this month that he would seek to give both delegations full voting rights.

At the very least, the activists want Clinton's name put in nomination, with a full roll-call vote. Some won't be satisfied unless Clinton is declared the nominee - an unlikely prospect. Others would be happy if Clinton were asked to run for vice president - also unlikely.

Feldman, a Georgetown University law professor, said she is a loyal Democrat who won't vote for McCain, but Obama hasn't won her support. Will Bower, co-founder of the Just Say No Deal Coalition, said he would only support the Democratic candidate if her name is Clinton.

"I have been voting Democratic for 18 years. I only voted for Democrats, from dog catcher to president and everything in between," said Bower, who lives in Washington. "I will be voting for someone other than Barack Obama come November."

[blkpresident]

We kicked her *** all the way back to her kitchen stove in NY during the nominating process, so if the Clintonians want to get steamrolled again, I say "bring it on". Stand down lil'' woman or get knocked down again beeootch.

"Two missionaries in Africa were apprehended by a tribe of very hostile cannibals who put them in a large pot of water, built a huge fire under it, and left them there.
A few minutes later, one of the missionaries started to laugh uncontrollably.
The other missionary couldn''t believe it! He said, ''''What''s wrong with you? We''re being boiled alive! They''re gonna eat us! What could possibly be funny at a time like this?''''
The other missionary replied, ''''I just peed in the soup!''''
In an effort to beat up on Obama, Hillary''s supporters are spoiling the soup.

[realpatriot1]

it''s pretty funny to hear people who support the Clintons talk about not being able to support a con artist.

How ironic.

[realpatriot1]

Verified-CBS,

You can obviously read and reprint what you read but have problems comprehending the significance of what you''re reading.

All of what you said is true and yet he has never triled in the polls in less states than he needs to win. In other words, he has the votes unless ALL undecideds go agauinst him.

Not a good bet.

minnick8,

There are many more Obama groupies; I think we can take them.

[bec67]

If it''s Obama, then it''s McCain for this old democrat. No way in hell will I vote for Obama, too arrogant and inexperienced for this country at this time. Sorry Hillary, I would vote for you but never this guy.

[verified-cbs]

30% of Conservative Democrats Say Theyll Vote for McCain

Thu Jul 31, 8:54 AM ET

Thirty percent (30%) of conservative Democrats say theyre voting for John McCain. Rasmussen Reports data also shows the Republican hopeful picking up support from 19% of White Democrats and 15% of Democrats over the age of 50. These results are from national telephone survey interviews conducted with 14,000 Likely Voters during the two weeks ending July 24.

[minnick8-2009]

I hope the Obama groupies and the Clinton groupies get into a knock down drag out fight in Denver. It could be reminiscent of the 1968 convention in Chicago and it would be most interesting viewing on the TV news.

[elburts]

We''ll never give up on Hillary - It''''s still not too late. Hillary ''''08.


www.BeatingDeadHorse.com

[truthvsobama]

Is it not better to be truthful, than to be patriotic?
Both B.HUSSEIN Obama and rev. Wright are racists.
Since that latter for years condoned both the talk and the walk of the former. See:
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/03/prominent-black-minister-refutes-racist.html

"Prominent Black Minister Refutes Racist Statements of Rev. Jeremiah Wright"
''This kind of virulent Anti-American bigotry is anathema to the black church experience where we focus on love, forgiveness, personal responsibility and a healthy dose of patriotism and prayer for our country.''

And some like the magic are trying in good faith to be both patriotic and truthful. Sure it hurts. But Barack is not experienced to be President, and his handlers unpatriotic tactics and Chi'' town caucus bullying and lies confirm he does not deserve it.

However, Patriotism can be taken to far. And, rather than frivolously praying for rain when he speaks in Denver; the so called Christian right ought to be praying for peace and security at that time.

[themagic07]

I will never vote for this CON ARTIST. Never....

So it comes to this....The Honorable Man VS The Con Artist

PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICANS%u2026.A vote for the car salesman (con artist) is a vote for over 20 years of personal relationship with REZKO, Wright, Ayers, and Farahkhan%u2026He is an empty suit; he can say anything to get elected. This rookie is a big PHONY. %u2026.I%u2019m tired of all his rhetoric%u2026..The more I listen to this guy the more I hate him%u2026%u2026He can not be trusted%u2026

A flip-flopper to get an experience! He voted %u201Cpresent%u201D for more a hundred times, because he did not know how to vote %u201CYes or No%u201D %u2026WOW, this guy is a totally a joke!

Remember Muslim%u2019s sons are for life. Blood is sticker than water. He can say any thing and he can run BUT he can not hide.

I was a lifelong Democrat, but now Independent. I will never vote for Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.

Please don%u2019t be fooled by a car salesman. %u2026.As a patriotic American; I don%u2019t care if you are a Democrats or Republicans, we deserve an honorable man like Sen. McCain.

If you believed everything this car salesman said, you are fool.

[shippg]

Just as an observer, I think a fight at the Convention will only make the Dems lose the general election. I think most Hillary supporters have decided to vote for Obama, and a fight this late will just leave too many hard feelings.

[karronna]

attended not intended... yikes~

[karronna]

I was for Obama before I went into the caucus, but probably would have voted for her if he hadn''t won (and he did - despite what you sore losers say) the primary...BUT....NOW?????

[karronna]

I was for Obama before I went into the caucus, but probably would have voted for her if he hadn''t won (and he did - despite what you sore losers say) the primary...BUT....NOW?????

[karronna]

wow some of you guy are so bitter. It really doesn''t matter what you say as far as I''m concerned about your reasons behind your tantrum throwing antics. It LOOKS like sour grapes over someone taking away what was RIGHTFULLY a woman''s. God I hope you don''t ruin the election for Obama. and..I don''t know about the rest of the caucuses, but the one I intended in Idaho had absolutely no coercion tactics or anything of the sort.....and it was a landslide.

[ragnar30066]

Obama is going along with the idea of a vote between himself and Hillary at the democratic convention. This is the fellow who wants us to think he has enough backbone to stand up to Putin and the Russian army.

It would only be just for a fellow who has thrown so many of his long time friends and associates under the bus in order to get elected, to get run over by Hillary. Better by her than by Putin.

It''s still not too late. Hillary ''08.

[realpatriot1]

kdm936,

Would you like to share your evidence that his Church hates white people?

Wright''s GD America rant was stupid and misrepresented both scripture and the history of World War 2 but it wasn''t the least bit racist.

[KDM1215]

How about this....I don''t like Obama!!!! and guess what I''m NOT voting for him. I don''t care what any of you idiots that voted for this closet racist, inexperienced do nothing man have to say. One of his closest friend was the Rev.Wright who hates whites. Obama knew this all along. Don''t you white people get it!! He belonged to a church that hated white people. FOR 20YEARS what don''t you understand about that?? He just changed his process so that whites will vote for him. He talks about Change, but he is never ever clear on WHAT the changes are! Did you people forget how good this country was under Bill Clinton. Put the politic''s aside for a minute....How great a shape was
America in thanks to him..How quickly you all forgot. She was absolutely the better choice, not perfect but much better. You''ll see. Let''s all help more minorities to get more stuff for free from this country!!! Let''s let the rest of the slobs work for it. So they can all stay home and collect welfare.

[realpatriot1]

I hope they do get a roll call and a chance to show what lkoonies they are. A roll call will will show just how many former Clinton supporters have gotten ebhind the nominee of the party.

Angry demonstrations by these people will reinforce
to Americans in general and Democrats in particular
that the right choice was made by the voters.

[suzyku]

These fools need to stop this nonsense! She lost, she ran a dirty, nasty campaign as is evidenced by the now public emails! She proved she was unable to make managerial decisions, she "proved" she is NOT ready at 3 A.M., she is NOT Presidential material anymore than mcsame is. Time to move on!