ZUGDIDI, Georgia, Aug. 11, 2008

Bush Slams Russia's Invasion Of Georgia

"Dramatic And Brutal Escalation" Condemned As Russian Troops Push Out Of Breakaway Regions, Into Western-Allied Neighbor

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    • Georgian man stands in front of his damaged home in Gori on Aug. 11, 2008. Russian armored vehicles rolled deep into central and western Georgia on Monday, quickly taking control of the key city of Gori, several towns and a military base, according to Georgian officials and witnesses. Photo

      Georgian man stands in front of his damaged home in Gori on Aug. 11, 2008. Russian armored vehicles rolled deep into central and western Georgia on Monday, quickly taking control of the key city of Gori, several towns and a military base, according to Georgian officials and witnesses.  (AP PHOTO)

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      Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili speaks at a news conference in Tbilisi, Georgia, Aug. 11, 2008.  (AP Photo/Shakh Aivazov)

    • Georgian soldiers are seen atop a tank as it makes its way along a street, as a monument to Soviet dictator Josef Stalin is seen in the background, in Gori, Georgia, Aug. 11, 2008. Photo

      Georgian soldiers are seen atop a tank as it makes its way along a street, as a monument to Soviet dictator Josef Stalin is seen in the background, in Gori, Georgia, Aug. 11, 2008.  (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)

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      An unidentified Georgian woman cries in the town of Gori, Georgia, just outside the breakaway province of South Ossetia, Aug. 11, 2008.  (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)

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(CBS/AP)  Russian tanks roared deep into Georgia on Monday, launching a new western front in the conflict, and Russian planes staged air raids that sent people screaming and fleeing for cover in some towns.

The escalating warfare brought sharp words from President Bush, who pressed Moscow to accept an immediate cease-fire and pull its troops out to avert a "dramatic and brutal escalation" of violence in the former Soviet republic.

Touring battle damage on Monday, Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili said he heard a Russian jet and feared he might be its target, reports CBS News correspondent Richard Roth. Bodyguards bundled him away. His people don't have that protection.

"We are basically seeing the cold-blooded, preplanned, premeditated murder of a small country," said Saakashvili.

There's a moral duty for the world to respond to the invasion Georgia, he said. But, as Roth reports, diplomacy is the only weapon the West is using.

"We strongly condemn the bombing outside South Ossetia," President Bush said in a Rose Garden speech Monday afternoon.

What's troubling about this war, fought in a relatively unknown region, is that none of the suffering here is about the enclave of Ossetia, reports CBS News correspondent Wyatt Andrews. This war is all about Russia and the message Russia's sending to the world. This is Putin's announcement that Russia is back as a great power.

Vladimir Putin, Russia's former President and current Prime Minister, has been planning this attack on Georgia for years, reports Andrews.

"We have to understand, these Russian troops didn't materialize out of nowhere," said political analyst Robert Kagen. "This is the culmination of Putin's efforts to pull Georgia back within Russia's sphere and exert control over it."

Russian forces for the first time moved well outside the two restive, pro-Russian provinces claimed by Georgia that lie at the heart of the dispute. An Associated Press reporter saw Russian troops in control of government buildings in this town, just miles from the frontier and Russian troops were reported in nearby Senaki.

"The advance casts doubts on Russia's claim that this five-day war is just a peacekeeping operation," said CBS News reporter Beth Knobel.

Georgia's president said his country had been sliced in half with the capture of a critical highway crossroads near the central city of Gori, and Russian warplanes launched new air raids across the country.

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This is the culmination of Putin's efforts to pull Georgia back within Russia's sphere and exert control over it.

Political analyst Robert Kagen
The Russian Defense Ministry, through news agencies, denied it had captured Gori and also denied any intentions to advance on the Georgian capital of Tbilisi.

The western assault expanded the days-old war beyond the central breakaway region of South Ossetia, where a crackdown by Georgia last week drew the initial military response from Russia.

"There is no question that Georgia started this conflict with an offensive against the separatists of South Ossetia, because its entry to NATO required a resolution to the problem, but the disproportionate and continuing military attacks by Russia appear to have united the European Union and the U.S. in a call for the removal of Russian troops," said CBS News foreign affairs analyst Pamela Falk.

"The fighting has now created a major refugee crisis that is spilling over to regional states, and a political crisis with fears that Russia is trying to overthrow the democratically elected, pro-Western government of Georgia," added Falk.

While most Georgian forces were still busy fighting around South Ossetia, in the country's east, Russian troops opened the western attack by invading from a second separatist province, Abkhazia, which occupies Georgia's coastal northwest arm.

Russian forces moved into Senaki, 20 miles inland from the Black Sea, and seized police stations in Zugdidi, just outside the southern fringe of Abkhazia. Abkhazian allies took control of the nearby village of Kurga, according to witnesses and Georgian officials.

By late Monday, Russian news agencies, citing the Defense Ministry, said troops had left Senaki, 20 miles inland from the Black Sea port of Poti, "after liquidating the danger," but did not give details.

The new assault came despite a claim earlier in the day by a top Russian general that Russia had no plans to enter undisputed Georgian territory.

In related developments:

  • Knobel reported a group of pro-Georgian European presidents were headed for Tbilisi Tuesday to lend their support in the standoff with Russia. The head of Georgia's security council told the Interfax news agency that Poland's Lech Kaczynski, Lithuania's Valdas Adamkus, Ukraine's Viktor Yushenko and Estonian President Toomas Hendrick Ilves would go to suppport Saakashvili.

  • In talking points on the conflict obtained by The Associated Press, the Bush administration claims it had no specific advance warning that Georgia would try to retake control of South Ossetia.

  • Vasil Sikharulidze, Georgia's ambassador to the United States, said his government has made no specific requests for U.S. military help beyond assistance bringing Georgian troops home from Iraq to help in the fighting.

  • Former Cuban President Fidel Castro weighed in Monday evening on the side of Russia in its conflict with Georgia. In an editorial posted on the official government Web site, Castro insisted that Georgia would never have dared to send troops into the breakaway republic without backing from the U.S. He described Georgian President Saakashvili as an "adventurer” and an “opportunistic, ambitious and Westernized Georgian.” Castro accused him of deliberately “invading” South Ossetia while the world was focused on the opening of the Olympic Games.

    (AP Photo/Shakh Aivazov)
    Saakashvili, seen at left, told a national security meeting that Russia had also taken central Gori, which is on Georgia's only east-west highway, cutting off the eastern half of the nation from the western Black Sea coast.

    But the news agency Interfax cited a Russian Defense Ministry official as denying Gori was captured. Attempts to reach Gori residents by telephone late Monday did not go through.

    Russia's massive and multi-pronged offensive has drawn wide criticism from the West, but Russia has rejected calls for a cease-fire and said it was acting to protect its citizens. Most residents of the separatist regions have Russian passports.

    Both provinces, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s, and both have close ties with Moscow.

    The Georgian president said Russia had sent 20,000 troops and 500 tanks into Georgia. He said Russian warplanes were bombing roads and bridges, destroying radar systems and targeting Tbilisi's civilian airport. One Russian bombing raid struck the Tbilisi airport area only a half-hour before EU envoys arrived, he said.

    At least 9,000 Russian troops and 350 armored vehicles were in Abkhazia, according to a Russian military commander.

    Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin said more than 2,000 people have been killed in South Ossetia since Friday, most of them Ossetians with Russian passports. The figures could not be independently confirmed, but refugees who fled Tskhinvali over the weekend said hundreds had been killed.

    Many found shelter in the Russian province of North Ossetia.

    "The Georgians burned all of our homes," said one elderly woman, as she sat on a bench under a tree with three other white-haired survivors. "The Georgians say it is their land. Where is our land, then?"

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    by joker1944-2009 August 11, 2008 8:19 PM PDT
    For you rightwing clowns asking where Obama is during this, why don''t you ask the more RELEVANT question as to where US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (ya know, the one person who should be dealing with this) is.

    Where is she? Well, she''s on VACATION and refuses to interrupt it to deal with the crisis.
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    by obamanation6 August 11, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
    In the end it will be up to Washington to show Russia the red line it must not cross, although the threshold for US intervention will be very high
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    by tbweb August 11, 2008 8:21 PM PDT
    The former Soviet Union, sleep walking, trying to reacquire its old self, but its all a dream, a delusion! Russia is having `Delusions of Grandeur!`

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    by donevis-2009 August 11, 2008 8:31 PM PDT
    A little thing from WRH;
    Memo to Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili: two wrongs do not make a right.
    You chose to participate in an illegal and immoral war based on US and British lies in Iraq.
    You then chose to attack Southern Ossetia, killing civilians just the way you had been shown, courtesy of US troops, which had just finished teaching your troops how to "ethnically cleanse" an area,through the "Georgian-US Immediate Response 2008 military exercises", which ended on 31 July of this year.
    10 Russian peacekeepers were killed, and an additional 30 wounded. The Georgian military is blamed for this, and if they did not do this, you must let the world know.
    Also, scores of South Ossetian civilians have been killed; men, women, children, the elderly, and the medically infirm.
    To believe that Russia was not going to respond was, sir, the first colossal failure of imagination in which you and your government indulged.
    And to believe that the US and/or NATO would be able to assist you militarily, given the current troop stresses in both Afghanistan and Iraq, was the second colossal failure of imagination.
    And so what are you left with?
    A potential re-absorption of Georgia, Southern Ossetia, and Abkazia by Russia, which will give them a border all the way to Armenia, which is friendly to both Russia and Iran, and a United States which is militarily impotent to help you. "God Speed USA"
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 8:32 PM PDT
    Where is she? Well, she''''s on VACATION and refuses to interrupt it to deal with the crisis.
    Posted by joker1944 at 08:19 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Hey clown...er...eh... joker1944, this is the 21st century. Get with the times. Condy Rice can "deal" with any crisis from anywhere in the world. And why is it that the U.S. has to take point on this anyways? It looks like France is doing a great job of negotiating. Hats off to the French for being quick to respond.

    Besides, all that Rice or Bush will get out of trying to do anything will be some sort of condemnation from our "patriotic" U.S. liberal NObamacrats. Why should Bush/Rice even bother? They really SHOULD enjoy a nice long vacation until January.
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
    and a United States which is militarily impotent to help you. "God Speed USA"
    Posted by donevis at 08:31 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Maybe its time to send some of our "impotent" NEW AND IMPROVED shoulder fired stinger missiles to Georgia, just like the U.S. did when the reds invaded Afghanistan. Man those stinger really tore up those russian helicopters. And they took out a fair number of the fighter jets too. I''ll never forget the videos of those choppers falling out of the sky.

    The Russians put their tail between their legs and ran back home because of "impotent" US technology. Thats the price they paid after they helped the US enemies in Vietnam.
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    by wogerwabbit August 11, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
    I don''t know what the Georgian''s thought they were doing, but they invited Russia''s retaliation. In a sane world, I would think we''d be scolding the Georgian''s for being so dimwitted. But, as we all know, our world under Bush is anything but sane... so we have another crisis to deal with. He and the neocons are showing their true faith and praying for a war so we''ll all freak out and give him the excuse he needs to declare martial law, cancel the elections, fill up the concentration camps they''ve built in the United States with us Americans who just ''don''t get'' the new Amerika, satisfy his base and ultimately, save himself and his minions from the Hague''s gallows all in one fell swoop. He can pardon everybody but himself, and if McCain doesn''t win, he''s totally screwed. We live in interesting times, too interesting at times.
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    by oldwhiteguy1 August 11, 2008 8:42 PM PDT
    Anyone else see the ''irony'' of Bush condeming another super power for INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY? Hello, did WE not invade Iraq? (do as I say NOT as I do...)
    American FORIEGN POLICY, its in need of change
    Or maybe we can go to war with Russia tomorrow?
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    by ndjam August 11, 2008 8:44 PM PDT
    The European Union should be ashamed of themselves. They have shown time and time again how they are cowards. Imagine wanting to be part of this bunch? Not once have they come to the aid of their allies. They are truly the laughing stock of this Earth. The U.S will not do anything here either, they are too busy in Iraq and Afghanistan. They''''ve been there for 7 years now. So, that gives Russia the green light to invade whomever they want, whenever they want. Who will be next? Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland. We shall see.
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    by ndjam August 11, 2008 8:45 PM PDT
    Turkey wants to enter the European Union badly, WHY??
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    by donevis-2009 August 11, 2008 8:47 PM PDT
    Anyone notice how all the previous comments on this story were wiped out and restarted? Put the Hummmm factor up a few notches.
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    by cattlekate August 11, 2008 8:50 PM PDT
    The USA Lamestream media isn''t telling us all of the story.

    The international media is reporting Georgia, with its slaughtering leader, has made a move against South Ossetia, which wishes to keep its allegiance to Russia.

    It''s like Saddam killing the Kurds, but we are only hearing Saddam''s side of the story.

    Why did Georgia act now? Does this have something to do with the US military there earlier this summer?
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 8:57 PM PDT
    Anyone else see the ''''irony'''' of Bush condeming another super power for INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY? Hello, did WE not invade Iraq? (do as I say NOT as I do...)
    Posted by oldwhiteguy1 at 08:42 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    As the US did? Well if the US had done things the way Russia has, overtaking and nearly destroying a nation the very first time their "peacekeepers" were fired on, then the US would have taken Iraq a full decade earlier.

    Instead the US had to repeatedly go to the UN for more than 10 years asking for resolution after resolution, issued warning after warning to Iraq. I dont recall Russia doing ANY of that.

    I believe that the criminals in S. Osessia DID fire on Georgians to provoke a response, which Russia was ready for. All of this hardware Russia has sent in to Georgia didn''t just appear out of nowhere. It was pre-positioned. The real mistake was the Georgians over-reaction by bombarding with missiles.

    I really have a hard time believing that the Russians are trying to protect "citizens" lives. Before everbody gets all teary eyed for the Russian patriots, remember that during our lifetime many many Russians had carried out Stalins orders to kill tens of million of their own "citizens". The Russians killed more of their own "citizens" than the U.S. killed in all wars we fought in COMBINED.

    So lets hold hands now with our friends the Russians and sing kumbaya.

    Go back to sleep grandpa.
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    by downtowner97 August 11, 2008 8:57 PM PDT
    Speed up that NATO acceptance plan, then it will be Russia versus NATO.

    As of July 15, there were 1200 US troops in Georgia.
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    by idnnsg August 11, 2008 9:00 PM PDT
    GWB is scolding Russia? I thought little Georgie "looked into Putin''s soul" and declared him to be a "good man". Was our "fearless leader" wrong?
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    by cdfoxtrot2 August 11, 2008 9:05 PM PDT
    America ignored the world when it came to the illegal attack on "Eye-Rack". It did the same two years ago when it came to pressuring Israel to stop its illegal attack on the civilian population of Lebanon. America under Bush has no credibility. Why should Russia listen??
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    by ioweign August 11, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
    Again, Isn''t it amazing that Russia invades Georgia and kills thousands.

    Posted by demslie2u at 08:58 PM : Aug 11, 2008



    Were you here the last time Russia invaded Georgia ??

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    by BillTheCat August 11, 2008 9:08 PM PDT
    Russia has been sabre rattling for a while now. They''ve buzzed our ships, shut off oil to Europeans during the peak of winter, flown nuclear bombers to Cuba, etc. Putin wants to show Russia''s military might and has just been looking for an excuse. This is why Putin is using way more effort than necessary. The little man has never been happy with the end of the Cold War and would love nothing more than to recreate it. He also wants Russia to control the entire region again and has never accepted the independence of the CIS states. Putin is a real threat to global peace.
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    by timdgrim August 11, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
    Anyone notice how all the previous comments on this story were wiped out and restarted? Put the Hummmm factor up a few notches.
    Posted by donevis
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    That''s because CBS wants it ''Fair and Balanced'', to borrow a phrase. They figure the ring wing numbnuts should have an even amount of representation. But they''re all watching the Bill ''O The Clown Non-factor and Heil Hannity & SuckA** Colmes show for their nightly brainwashing.

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    by wogerwabbit August 11, 2008 9:18 PM PDT
    Posted by demslie2u at 08:55 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Fool! Read! Understand! Russia retailiated for an invasion of their territory! The Georgian''s invaded Russian territory first! You neocon chickenhawks are so fu**ing lame... making excuses for mayhem and murder for any dam thing that makes you feel uncomfortable as you peek out from your mothers skirts. Your fantasy world of a 1,000 year Republican Reich is over... get used to it. Traitors!
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    by donevis-2009 August 11, 2008 9:18 PM PDT
    Russia has been sabre rattling for a while now. They''''ve buzzed our ships, shut off oil to Europeans during the peak of winter, flown nuclear bombers to Cuba, etc. Putin wants to show Russia''''s military might and has just been looking for an excuse. This is why Putin is using way more effort than necessary. The little man has never been happy with the end of the Cold War and would love nothing more than to recreate it. He also wants Russia to control the entire region again and has never accepted the independence of the CIS states. Putin is a real threat to global peace.
    Posted by billcatz at 09:08 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Couldn''t have anything to do with that missile shield Bush wanted to put in Putins backyard does it. Seems like they were getting along just fine until NATO baloney started to be shoved in Russia face, using Georgia as the nose. Wake up and see the story. "Be the Ball Danny"
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    by barbaram99 August 11, 2008 9:20 PM PDT
    bush is out of place. no business slaming anyone.
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
    That''''s because CBS wants it ''''Fair and Balanced'''', to borrow a phrase. They figure the ring wing numbnuts should have an even amount of representation. Posted by timdgrim at 09:17 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    No, thats not it. In case you didn''t notice, you nut case far left liberal nut cases have a tendancy to take over and overwhelm most message boards. I want to stress the nut case liberals are doing this, not the fewer sane liberals.
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 9:24 PM PDT
    Fool! Read! Understand! Russia retailiated for an invasion of their territory! The Georgian''''s invaded Russian territory first! Posted by WogerWabbit at 09:18 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Hey bunny brain, South Osessia is not part of Russia! At least not until today. North Osessia is part of Russia. The Georgians were fighting within their own borders...moron!!!
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    by trishab57 August 11, 2008 9:25 PM PDT
    All this masquarade is to Help McCain get elected, a great service done by Bush to his old Repukon friend. Scaring Americans into a possible confrontation with the Russians, hence an aggressive President is needed to confront the Demonized and heartless Russians. Whooooohhhhoooo! What a nice coincidence. Georgia is a nice lure to bring the Russians into a boiling status after having been provoked by our troops in Eastern Europe with the Anti-Ballistic Missile Battries...

    -Liar935Bush''s sneaky military attitude, is a wrong way of keeping our country safe from attacks of Terrorists and bigger powers such as Russia. He''s been stirring sh*t all 7,5 years, and now he''s causing the Russian Bear to wake up and start roaring.
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    by fstop100 August 11, 2008 9:32 PM PDT
    where is cheney? g.w. is promoting peace, what a novel idea... keep making your parents proud...
    the best part of you ran down your mamma''s leg.
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    by mr2258 August 11, 2008 9:33 PM PDT
    This is not about American politics.Take it to another site.
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 9:35 PM PDT
    Liar935Bush''''s sneaky military attitude, is a wrong way of keeping our country safe from attacks of Terrorists and bigger powers such as Russia...Posted by trishab57 at 09:25 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Maybe YOU trishab57 should have ran for president since you apparently know how to keep the US safer from any attacks since 911 than Bush has.
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 9:43 PM PDT
    The US is not about to start a military conflict with Russia. Bush knows it and Russia knows it too. We are both armed to the teeth with nukes. It just wont happen on their soil nor ours.
    however, the US and Europe can severly limit trade with Russia to marginalize them. Let them trade with their closest friends China, Venesuela, Cuba, Syria, North korea, Iran. Its not a pretty picture is it?
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    by sean5002 August 11, 2008 9:46 PM PDT
    **********************************

    Countries with the most Nuclear Weapons
    Rank Country Number of warheads

    1 Russia 28,240
    2 United States 12,070
    3 France 510
    4 China 425
    5 United Kingdom 400
    6 Israel uncertain
    7 India uncertain
    8 Pakistan uncertain


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    All the tough talk by Pres bush is nothing but lip service. all talk and NO bite , the USA have NO leverage, most of the troops and resources is stuck in iraq.

    Had Bush NOT GONE to iraq... then you have plenty of OPTIONS.


    Then to make matters worse Bush stuck MISSLE DEFENSE SHEILD against Russia wishes in the Chech Republic; And want to throw a fit when Russia want to do the same in Cuba.. some nerve.

    WE need someone in that Whitehouse to change our foreign POLICIES. the current occupant have NO CLUE.


    Obama 08 , sound judgement


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    by trishab57 August 11, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
    Liar935Bush''''''''s sneaky military attitude, is a wrong way of keeping our country safe from attacks of Terrorists and bigger powers such as Russia...Posted by trishab57 at 09:25 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Maybe YOU trishab57 should have ran for president since you apparently know how to keep the US safer from any attacks since 911 than Bush has.
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    Posted by edintex at 09:35 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    -What do you suggest? *** for tat and Invade Cuba?
    -It''s obvious, the military has been used as it was meant to be; defense! The repukons philisophy is an instability and invasion one. Whereas democratic one is based more on a strong Army for DEFENSIVE purposes.

    -Americans should not panick and rush to vote the McSame into office. Obama is more capable of staying calm and make better lit decisions. McCane is a shaking fighter and he''d be already preparing troops for a long and bloody conflict with the Russians.
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    by stevex47 August 11, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
    "Couldn''''t have anything to do with that missile shield Bush wanted to put in Putins backyard"

    Exactly. boosh played his hand. Putin called his bluff. More people die.

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    by bozworth4 August 11, 2008 9:48 PM PDT
    Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century," Bush said.


    And King George II you are not guilty of any of this? I think so, but what do I know? I''m just a dumb tax payer to whom you owe no explination to. You will be judged at a later date and place. And you won''t be able to bs your way out by pointing your finger of blame. When you point your finger of blame at others, their are 3 pointing at you. But then again anything we have to say about this or any other story only serves to keep us divided and therefore weak and unorganized. There will be a time the week and unorganized will protect you macho, strong politicians, or not?
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    by mr2258 August 11, 2008 9:52 PM PDT
    If you want to talk about Obama.Go to Obama Hawaiian vacation site.You will find him there.
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 9:55 PM PDT
    The repukons philisophy is an instability and invasion one. Whereas democratic one is based more on a strong Army for DEFENSIVE purposes.

    Do you mean STRONG Army like the one Carter shut down to bare bones or more like the one Clinton inherited from Bush/Reagan and promptly shrank it down to almost nothing? This really isn''t the right time for those kinds of "Strong" or "defensive" armies.

    Maybe in the future we COULD reduce the military after the muslim terrorists are all dead.
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    by trishab57 August 11, 2008 9:55 PM PDT
    It just wont happen on their soil nor ours.
    however, the US and Europe can severly limit trade with Russia to marginalize them. Let them trade with their closest friends China, Venesuela, Cuba, Syria, North korea, Iran. Its not a pretty picture is it?
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    Posted by edintex at 09:43 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    -You don''t understand that Russia is much more in a better position than before. Their economic importance is based mainly on Military industry; same as us. The previous USSR was powerful enough and self-sufficient that it could maintain its independence and its Russian-Invaded Varsovia pact countries virtually without any exterior help. They could at any time soon redo the same. Russia is ill and its population is decreasing. The only way for them is to invade and increase their commercial exchange, militarily, same as we did in Iraq, now Afganistan. Putin fianlly woke up and saw it''s getting late for him. He has no other choice but to invade. This will not stop here. Expect more of the same going on in Georgia...
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    by sean5002 August 11, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
    ##########

    If you want to talk about Obama.Go to Obama Hawaiian vacation site.You will find him there.

    Posted by mr2258 at 09:52 PM : Aug 11, 2008


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    last i check Barack IS NOT THE SITTING PRESIDENT .

    You want him to wield this imaginary power he doesn''t

    have ; mercy!!! grow some BRAIN CELLS.
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    by mr2258 August 11, 2008 9:59 PM PDT
    NO--- I said this is not a site to talk about American politics.Take it somewhere else.
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    by liberalme August 11, 2008 10:05 PM PDT
    NO--- I said this is not a site to talk about American politics.Take it somewhere else.

    Posted by mr2258 at 09:59 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    It''s all political who are you to limit ones freedom of speech!
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    by mr2258 August 11, 2008 10:06 PM PDT
    If you put it that way.Talk about anything you want.
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    by stevex47 August 11, 2008 10:07 PM PDT
    "NO--- I said this is not a site to talk about American politics.Take it somewhere else."

    Nutjobs are still blaming Clinton for the worlds woes. Think how long folks will bash boosh and company for their, um, "difficulties", ha. ?

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    by smurfcrusher August 11, 2008 10:08 PM PDT
    All we''ll hear out of this president is bluster and tantrums.
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    by obamanation6 August 11, 2008 10:08 PM PDT
    mr2258 whatta friggin moron...
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    by mr2258 August 11, 2008 10:09 PM PDT
    The sun will soon be coming up in Georgia.I hope we will see Russian pulling out.They have proved their point.
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 10:09 PM PDT
    Then to make matters worse Bush stuck MISSLE DEFENSE SHEILD against Russia wishes in the Chech Republic; And want to throw a fit when Russia want to do the same in Cuba.. some nerve.
    Posted by sean5002 at 09:46 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    Lets look at true facts. Not the make believe "facts" from you NoBama nuts.

    The US wants to put "NON-NUCLEAR" interceptor missiles in Georgia in order to bisect and intercept a northern trajectory of an inbound Iranian missile heading over the north pole to hit the U.S. It would be best to take shots at the rogue missile both early in the trajectory and then later over the pole if it misses.

    The Russians on the other hand are talking about putting "NUCLEAR ARMED" bombers 90 miles from the U.S. to protect or stop incoming what?

    Or, we can eliminate any missile defense system and just "talk" to a rogue state bent on martyrdom while their missile(s) are inbound. I prefer to at least TRY to survive. And if Obamas big mouth cannot convince me that he has enough experience to make quick and tough decisions, why should I believe he can talk other countries out of ANYTHING?
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    by smurfcrusher August 11, 2008 10:09 PM PDT
    You''d think that King George would be more protective of Country Georgia.

    Chivalry IS dead.
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    by obamanation6 August 11, 2008 10:11 PM PDT
    Bush warns Russia not to overthrow Georgia''s government
    (CNN) well folks you better get ready for WW3!! all of a sudden Cabo San Lucas looks pretty good to me...
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    by libsluv2spit August 11, 2008 10:13 PM PDT
    isnt me or is it seems like the brave liberals are already siding with russia and calling the US defeated?
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    by republic1776 August 11, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
    Russia wants Cuba back in their arms.

    Communism / Socialism mind set.

    (Almost as bad as "Modern Liberals" in America)
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    by edintex August 11, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
    This will not stop here. Expect more of the same going on in Georgia...
    Posted by trishab57 at 09:55 PM : Aug 11, 2008

    I agree with EVERYTHING you just said! Russia has been falling behind the rest of the world quickly. Now that they have a little more petro-dollars in their pocket, they are trying to regain their stature. And youre right about their population decline and their need to increase it by any means.
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