MEXICO CITY, Aug. 9, 2008

AIDS Prevention Gives Short Shrift To Gays

HIV Infection Rates Among Gay, Bisexual Men Rising; Less Than 1 Percent OF Spending Targets Gay Men

  • Jorge Saavedra, a Mexican federal official, reads a gay magazine in Mexico City, Aug. 9, 2008. Photo

    Jorge Saavedra, a Mexican federal official, reads a gay magazine in Mexico City, Aug. 9, 2008.  (AP Photo/Marco Ugarte)

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(AP)  Jorge Saavedra's moment of truth came in the middle of an impassioned speech to 5,000 people about the paltry amount of money being spent to stop the spread of AIDS among gay men.

The Mexican federal official paused, then said publicly for the first time that he was gay.

As he held up a photo of himself with his partner, the crowd applauded wildly. Afterward, men from Africa and India congratulated him with tears in their eyes.

"They told me that I was a hero, and that they wished they could do the same in their countries," said Saavedra, who is infected with HIV and also heads the AIDS prevention program in a country where many gay men live in denial.

Saavedra's coming out on Tuesday at the International AIDS Conference sent a powerful message to the world: Homophobia must be stamped out if AIDS is to be controlled.

Fewer people are dying from AIDS, but new HIV infections among gay and bisexual men in many countries are rising at alarming rates.

Yet less than 1 percent of the $669 million reported in global prevention spending targets men who have sex with men, according to UNAIDS figures from 2006, the latest available data.

UNAIDS says these men receive the lowest coverage of HIV prevention services of any at-risk population. And experts say discrimination has driven gay and bisexual men in developing nations underground - turning them into one of the epidemic's hardest groups to reach. From Mexico to India, a surprising number of men who have sex with men insist they are not gay, and in many countries, governments still refuse to admit homosexuality exists.

"It's very difficult to provide services to men who have sex with men in countries that don't acknowledge they exist or criminalize them if they do exist," said Craig McClure, executive director of International AIDS Society, which organized the conference.

In 86 nations, homosexual sex is considered a crime, and in seven countries it is punishable by death, according to the Foundation for AIDS Research, known as Amfar.

During the conference's inauguration, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged nations "to follow Mexico's bold example and pass laws against homophobia."

In 2003, Mexico banned discrimination based on sexual orientation, and it has opened what it calls homophobic-free health clinics. The government has a national campaign that includes radio spots with mothers accepting their gay sons. Saavedra's program has earmarked 10 percent of its $12 million budget toward prevention among gay and bisexual men.

Worldwide, few developing nations check the rates of HIV infection among men who have sex with men, but researchers who have surveyed some of these countries say they are finding the rates are nearly twice that of the general adult population.

"This fight needs to be driven by epidemiologists" who urge making this high-risk group a priority, not only for the human rights argument, but for the public health argument, said Chris Beyrer, director of the Center for Public Health and Human Rights at Johns Hopkins University. "It's a virus so you need to put the money where the virus is."

Gay and bisexual men are 19 times more likely to become infected with HIV than the general adult population, according to Amfar, which collected data on these men in 128 countries. In Mexico, this group is 109 times more likely to acquire HIV. To date, 57 percent of the HIV diagnoses in Mexico are from unprotected sex between men.

Thailand is seeing "an emerging epidemic of really unbelievable proportions" among its gay and bisexual men after being held up as an example for its success with a massive condom campaign that curbed HIV's spread among sex workers, drug users and migrants, said Kevin Frost, Amfar's chief executive officer.

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It's very difficult to provide services to men who have sex with men in countries that don't acknowledge they exist or criminalize them if they do exist.

Craig McClure, executive director of International AIDS Society
Prevalence of HIV among gay and bisexual Thai men was more than 15 percent this year compared to 1.4 percent for the general adult population, according to Amfar. Frost said the country's prevention programs ignored one of its most vulnerable groups.

"These men believed they were not at risk because they were not having sex with sex workers or women, which is what the campaign focused on," Frost said. "That scenario is being played out across the developing world."

Complicating matters is that in countries from Latin America to Southeast Asia, many men who have sex with men, insist they are not gay. More than 30 percent of Latin American men who reported having sex with men said they also had unprotected sex with women, according to UNAIDS. Many are married.

"Everybody knows somebody like that," Saavedra, 48, said. "Instead of saying they are gay, it's easier for them to justify their behavior. They say they were drunk and they were really sexually excited and willing to have sex with whomever."

Some have beaten up transvestites after having sex with them because they are ashamed of themselves, experts say.

Even governments deny these men exist. Last year, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University in New York, "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country."

In Malawi, that country's first organization working on behalf of gay men was created in 2006 with the backing of World Bank officials and other international agencies.

Called the Centre for the Development of People, the group surveyed 100 gay men about discrimination to prove to the government that such men existed in Malawi. Homosexual sex is punishable up to 14 years in prison in the African country.

The organization also found through testing 200 gay men that about 21 percent carried HIV compared with 12 percent for the general adult population.

"This means that we are not moving ahead with the fight against AIDS," said Gift Trapence, the organization's director who has received e-mails threatening hanging.

AIDS activists say they avoid using words like "homosexual" or "gay" and instead use the label "men who have sex with men," or MSM, so their work is not impeded by the stigma.

Ashok Row Kavi said he has learned the importance of carefully choosing his words in India, where he started one of the country's first organizations to work with gay and bisexual men.

The Humsafar Trust found nearly 14 percent of the gay and bisexual men it surveyed in 1999 were infected with HIV. Kavi said when he told India's AIDS officials they "totally panicked because until now they believed these men did not exist."

But last year they added a definition of men who have sex with men to their health planning program to start prevention campaigns. The definition includes married men.

Kavi has been training health workers how to ask men if they have had gay sex and not scare them away.

"I tell them to say things like, 'There are many cultures where men are very close to men. Are you one of these men?"' he said. "These questions have to be sensitive," especially in India, where sodomy is illegal.

"That's why the word homosexual is not used," he said. "If anyone asks a man that, he will slap you."



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by irliberal August 9, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
Wow... a bigot made the very first post. I guess that''s not all that surprising.

The bible bangers aren''t too far behind I suppose.
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by obamanation-2009 August 9, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
Sodomites are a abomination! Sodom and Gomorrah w%u5968ere destroy for the evil acts in it! Am I wrong?
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by irliberal August 9, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
Man, can I call ''em or what? :)
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by obamanation-2009 August 9, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
Evil rampant everywhere now! The sad part is the average Joe doesn''t know it?
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by obamanation-2009 August 9, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
Man, can I call ''''em or what? :)

Posted by IRLiberal at 06:15 PM : Aug 09, 2008

But why can''t you call evil evil?
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by irliberal August 9, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
But why can''''t you call evil evil?

Posted by Obamanation at 06:17 PM

Oh, I could, but that would be somewhat rude to you (though truthful.)
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by irliberal August 9, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
Lots of bigotry and hate around these days. People try to justify it by saying it isn''t bigotry and it isn''t hate... "oh look how disgusting this is!", as if their personal dislike was some sort of automatic qualifier for supernatural damnation.

They forget (or wish to obscure) that being g.ay isn''t about s.ex. It isn''t about labels or religion or politics or laws. It''s about who you are capable of loving, body and soul, and being loved by in return. It defines a culture that has existed as long as mankind itself has existed.

Some people really hate g.ay and lesbian people. I can''t say for sure why. Is it because we''re not 100% like them? Is it because we may not share their religion? Is it because they don''t personally share the same feelings? I don''t know. But it is because of that hatred, exemplified in posts here, a g.ay man or woman might get shot, robbed, beaten or staked out on a fence in Wyoming and left to die. That''s what it means to hate.

Most g.ay and lesbian people have the courage to stand up to that hate, and we do. Some give into it, and begin to hate themselves. All I know is that I know who I love, and why, and there isn''t enough hatred, bigotry, rhetoric or ignorance in all the world to change that.

As time passes, civil rights are being recognized for g.ay and lesbian people, and many of the old bigotries tend to fade. But there will always be a few, like some who post here, that will seek to destroy instead of understand.
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by obamanation-2009 August 9, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
Sodomites exposed!
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by obamanation-2009 August 9, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
But why can''''''''t you call evil evil?
Posted by Obamanation at 06:17 PM
Oh, I could, but that would be somewhat rude to you (though truthful.)
Posted by IRLiberal at 06:19 PM : Aug 09, 2008

Why would you in this forum? Is there any sin in you? If you cannot admit to it in your own life you would not be able to spot it in other peoples lives!
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by obamanation-2009 August 9, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
Sodomites exposed!
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by obamanation-2009 August 9, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
Sodomites are destroying this country!
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by generey August 9, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
"Less Than 1 Percent OF Spending Targets Gay Men".

Good.
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by marcpcbs August 9, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
TOUGH LOVE
Even in countries where *** are generally excepted AIDS are on the upswing.

How many people who recently got AIDS in the USA didn''t know that AIDS are out there and/or that AIDS are potentially lethal?

AIDS is preventable.
Use a condom or keep it zipped.

I have heard that one thing most of the first world AIDS victims have in common is that they practice irresponsible life styles.

Do the responsible thing.
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by marcpcbs August 9, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
They wouldn''t let me use the word G.A.Y.
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by jankebenz August 9, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
Most g.ay and lesbian people have the courage to stand up to that hate, and we do. Some give into it, and begin to hate themselves. All I know is that I know who I love, and why, and there isn''''t enough hatred, bigotry, rhetoric or ignorance in all the world to change that.

As time passes, civil rights are being recognized for g.ay and lesbian people, and many of the old bigotries tend to fade. But there will always be a few, like some who post here, that will seek to destroy instead of understand.

Posted by IRLiberal at 06:21 PM : Aug 09, 2008


Yeah, and most ****''s dying from aids realize too late that all those "bigots" were right,and wish they had listened. Millions have learned the hard and fatefull way and still many millions more, refuse and ignore the warnings, thinking they know better.
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by shippg August 9, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
Is this article saying that g.ays do not know that they are at highest risk of spreading the disease? How can they not know that? It has been known for over 15 years.

This disease can be wiped out in one generation, but only with self-control. How come no one has any?
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by Marie Zarankevich August 9, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
There is a cure for AIDS/HIV. -- It has been known since 1988. -- Anyone who gets it from *** or from drugs simply does not have enough drama in their lives. -- Just use condoms, every time, and don*t re-use needles. -- Simple enough? -- G-a-y-s do not need special information on this. -- It is spelled the same in G-a-y or Straight. -- C.O.N.D.O.M. -- It starts with C, and ends with nobody getting sick.
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by evaine-2009 August 9, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
In the past, when this particular community is mentioned in health ads or articles, there has been outrage for being singled out and made to seem like culprits. Now, there is outrage that this community is not mentioned, is being ignored. Good grief.
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by obamanation-2009 August 10, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
sodomites exposed!
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by obamanation-2009 August 10, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
But why cant you call evil evil?
Posted by Obamanation at 06:17 PM
Oh, I could, but that would be somewhat rude to you (though truthful.)
Posted by IRLiberal at 06:19 PM : Aug 09, 2008

Why would you in this forum? Is there any sin in you? If you cannot admit to it in your own life you would not be able to spot it in other peoples lives!
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by beboldin09 August 10, 2008 1:38 AM EDT
HIV Infection Rates Among Gay, Bisexual Men Rising

-Ya think? Duuuh. Immoral lifestyle = disease spreading. God doesn''t play around with this stuff.
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by randynason August 10, 2008 2:41 AM EDT
I wonder how some of these holier-than-thous would feel if an HIV-infected heterosexual rapist had his way with their sisters? Do you think they would be so quick to pass their brand of ignorant judgement on others then? Funny how it all changes, when it hits close to home.
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by triciawalsh1 August 10, 2008 2:50 AM EDT
THE BEST WAY TO PREVENT HIV IS FOR *** TO BECOME STRAIGHT...................I''M A GENIUS
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by truthislife1 August 10, 2008 5:21 AM EDT
I''ve been a Christian for 30 years and I''m ashamed of how many of us Christians decide to tell the gay person how evil he or she is for being the way they are. Yes, I agree the Bible does explain all this stuff. It has been going on forever. A man will get whatever pleasure he wants when he wants it and will not conform to a bunch of rules. Why can''t us Christians first point the finger at our own stinking sin, deal with our own rotten heart first. It is not our job to jugde the unbeliever, it it God''s. It is our job as Christians to judge ourselves first, share God''s love and truth with them, and then they decide. God never intended for us to follow the 10 commandments, but to realize that we will break them and need a Savior. The gay person realizes that if they give their heart to Jesus they will have to stop what they are doing. The good news is that Jesus changes from the inside of the heart, not the outside. Christianity is not a self improvement course, it is a walk with God. People can choose him or not. Read Romans and Galations. Have a nice day.
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by latrocinor-2009 August 10, 2008 6:13 AM EDT
Behavior of any sort has consequences.

This includes any sort of behavior that resembles Russian Roulette.
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by latrocinor-2009 August 10, 2008 6:18 AM EDT
Perhaps an almost 2000 year old warning is ALSO a proper modern warning. Keep in mind I am no Christian or Muslim but wisdom is wisdom.

2 Timothy 3

GOD''S WORD. Translation ()1995)

"... People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God..."
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by longtree-2009 August 10, 2008 7:17 AM EDT
Wonder if married men are bisexual and keep it a secret from their wives? Wonder if married women are bisexual and keept it a secret from their husbands? If either is true, then AIDS definitely is a huge problem here in the USA as well. Homosexuals, metrosexuals, bisexuals, transthis, transthat, how does anyone know who is what these days. Very confusing.
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by kaffirboetie August 10, 2008 9:40 AM EDT
IRLiberal makes a convincing case for accepting the unnatural proclivities of queers and *****, and being somewhat open minded I would normally agree with his point of view. After all, if their way of life doesn''t harm others, what''s the harm in letting them enjoy their woofterism. However, there is the problem of "bridging groups" which means that the HIV endemic in the queer community is spread to the normal community. In that respect, queers are in the same, albeit lesser, category as Typhoid Mary. Logic would therefore dictate that if Typhoid Mary can be imprisoned for being a typhoid carrier, can we not also imprison any queer who indulges in profligate and unprotected s.e.x ?
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by jjp735i August 10, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
So many post making jokes or smart remarks about a disease that kills both straight and gay people. One has to wonder what the bigger disease is, AIDS or Ignorance?

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by honestabe8 August 10, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
Latrocinor: If you are not a Christian, why do you feel the bible is the word of God?
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by snapper4298 August 10, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
Why is so much publicity given to g.a.y issues? I don''t wish any harm to these folks, but it seems to me that a very tiny percentage of the worlds population gets an awful lot of media coverage.

The g.a.y lobby sure has a lot of powerful friends.
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by snapper4298 August 10, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
honestabe8

Yeah, maybe. It just seems to me the amount of publicity g.a.y issues receive isn''t in direct proportion to the g.a.y population.
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by sparkyforfun August 10, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
Maybe a rare tube steak and for desert packed pudding.
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by honestabe8 August 10, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
i agree that the amount of press that that homosexual community gets is out of proportion with their population. again, it (along with abortion) fires up the community of those who speak for god and post cites from a 2,000 year old book.
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by keithle1 August 10, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
There are gay/b i s e x u a l men who don''t know about AIDS? They''re waiting for someone to tell them about it? A public service announcement?
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by marcpcbs August 10, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
TOUGH LOVE
Even in countries where g.a.y.s are generally excepted AIDS are on the upswing.

How many people who recently got AIDS in the USA didn''''t know that AIDS are out there and/or that AIDS are potentially lethal?

AIDS is preventable.
Use a condom or keep it zipped.

I have heard that one thing most of the first world AIDS victims have in common is that they practice irresponsible life styles.

Do the responsible thing.
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by irliberal August 10, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
For those bigots that are saying that because the incidence of HIV is higher among gay men that it must somehow be their fault or "divine" judgement.

Hm.hmm.

Guess what group HIV is LOWEST in? Lesbians. MUCH lower than straight men or women, especially worldwide.

What does that make lesbians? The chosen few?

The silliness of this argument simply illustrates the silliness of the bigotry that still prevails these days, and the importance inherent in combating it.

Illness does not discriminate. In that way, it is more human than the bigots.
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by wl7bzh August 10, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
The issue and problem is lifestyle.

However, your lifestyle does not grant you minority status.

The Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton school of "Ima Victim U" has tried to equate lifestyle with minority status.

You have a right to your lifestyle choice. However, you are also responsible for the consequence of that choice-you are not a victim of it.
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by irliberal August 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
The issue and problem is lifestyle.

You have a right to your lifestyle choice. However, you are also responsible for the consequence of that choice-you are not a victim of it.

Posted by wl7bzh at 01:27 PM

Really? Interesting.

You have kids? No tax breaks for you. You are not a victim of your lifestyle, you chose it.

You have skin cancer? Must have stayed out in the sun too much. You are not a victim of your lifestyle, you chose it.

Lost both legs in Iraq? No health care for you. You are not a victim of your lifestyle, you chose it.

You can call anything a lifestyle choice. The point is, is people are the way they are. Being gay or white or black or anything else immutable is NOT a lifestyle choice. It''s simply who you are, REGARDLESS of what you DO.

Most people do not understand this, either because they do not want to, or they simply don''t care. It''s important to recognize the difference.
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by wl7bzh August 10, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
Really? Interesting.

You have kids? No tax breaks for you. You are not a victim of your lifestyle, you chose it.

You have skin cancer? Must have stayed out in the sun too much. You are not a victim of your lifestyle, you chose it.

Lost both legs in Iraq? No health care for you. You are not a victim of your lifestyle, you chose it.

You can call anything a lifestyle choice. The point is, is people are the way they are. Being gay or white or black or anything else immutable is NOT a lifestyle choice. It''''s simply who you are, REGARDLESS of what you DO.

Most people do not understand this, either because they do not want to, or they simply don''''t care. It''''s important to recognize the difference.

Posted by IRLiberal at 03:12 PM : Aug 10, 2008
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And if you will bother to re-read the article you will see that the HIV epidemic is due to unsafe ***-not homosexuality.

Unsafe *** is a lifestyle choice, which if practiced can lead to HIV-Play Russian Roulette and you run the risk of dying. This does not make you a victim, it makes you a fool.


Your apparent homosexuality is not the cause of HIV.
Homosexuals should quit crying that they are HIV victims, like practically anyone else acquiring HIV, it was a lifestyle choice.

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by beboldin09 August 11, 2008 2:12 AM EDT
You can call anything a lifestyle choice. The point is, is people are the way they are. Being gay or white or black or anything else immutable is NOT a lifestyle choice
posted by IRLiberal

-So you''re equating a person''s skin color to sexual perversion? So do pedaphiles have choice or were they just "born that way?" Do rapists have NO CHOICE? What about those guilty of INCEST? Do they have NO CHOICE? Are they born this way as well? What about murderers and theives? Do they have NO CHOICE according to your logic(actually the lack thereof)??

Being WHITE, BLACK, ASIAN, EUROPEAN, etc...is not a choice, of course.

But CHOOSING sexual preference IS.

There have been HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of cases of FORMER homosexuals in the world who have become heterosexual.

For you to compare being a homosexual to a person''s skin color is beyond absurd.
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by beboldin09 August 11, 2008 2:17 AM EDT
I wonder how some of these holier-than-thous would feel if an HIV-infected heterosexual rapist had his way with their sisters? Do you think they would be so quick to pass their brand of ignorant judgement on others then? Funny how it all changes, when it hits close to home.


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Posted by RandyNason at 11:41 PM : Aug 09, 2008

What you don''t see in your very own post is that YOU JUST PASSED JUDGMENT ON PEOPLE...

Oh and by the way, rapists should be judged as well. All immoral sexual lifestyle comes with consequences.

*** is supposed to be for man and woman IN MARRIAGE, as God intended.

But mankind has perverted it and rebelled against God, because of SIN, SIN , SIN, SIN...and MORE SIN.

Homosexuality is only one of many sexually perverse sins.
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by klingon69 August 11, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
"That''s why the word homosexual is not used," he said. "If anyone asks a man that, he will slap you."

And scratch your eyes out!.
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by usnjake August 11, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
I love self-styled experts who think they know all there is to know about homosexuality. What they do, more often than not, in their rants and writings is expose themselves for the homophobes and bigots that they are.

It is ridiculous to continue calling homosexuality a lifestyle or a choice. I sure don''t claim to be an expert, but I prefer to accept people for who they are, not what they are.
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by usnjake August 11, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
AND to continue exposing *** to such hatred and judgments only serves to make the problem of HIV worse.

Get over it!
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by wl7bzh August 11, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
Just curious.

Is possible that everyone screaming, ho.mophobe, bigot, and hate monger might be just a little bit ga.y?


Sounds like the spoiled brat in the supermarket seen kicking his heels trying to justify what he wants.

Keep this in mind. That love that homosexuals are so concerned about may be some sort of physical attraction rather than real love.

If so,as the homosexual gets older he or she may find that "love and affection" fading. When and if that does happen,remember just one thing, if you have to pay for it in some way, it ain''t really love.

Grow old gracefully and have a great day!
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by avigil2 August 11, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
But CHOOSING sexual preference IS.

There have been HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of cases of FORMER homosexuals in the world who have become heterosexual.

For you to compare being a homosexual to a person''''s skin color is beyond absurd.
Posted by BeBoldin09

So when did you choose to be STRAIGHT?
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by democrat122 August 11, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
These posts are really fascinating. HIV transmission is not an issue of sexuality, although it is due to Choice. Sexual HIV transmission occurs beacuse of unsafe *** practices, regardless of the orientation of the person. Individuals CHOOSE to enter into unsafe ***, regardless of the type of activity involved, and therefore they CHOOSE to place themselves (and others) at risk. The reason for increased numbers among MSM is that particular activity is typically more traumatic and therefore, if unprotected, much more likely to transmit HIV. In fact, the numbers for unprotected male-to-female HIV transmission from a single act are about 1 in 300, and those from male-to-male for a single unprotected event are roughly 1 in 30 or so. Regardless, it is the Protection aspect which is most important in preventing transmission, and that is a part that you DO choose - every time.
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by wl7bzh August 11, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
Posted by democrat122 at 03:32 PM : Aug 11, 2008
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*** it democrat122,
if yur gonna you use logic and statistics you should post somewhere else-this blog is restricted to name calling and sociopathic reasoning only.
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by rf35 August 12, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
What about men having butt-seks with women? Married couples having butt-seks? What do the haters say about that (like I don''t already know)? Oral seks?

I have a theory that those who are most vocal in their hatred for g.ay men are themselves repressed homosexuals.
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