Anthrax Suspect "Homicidal"

Bruce Ivin's Therapist Was "Scared To Death" Of Him; Called Him A "Revenge Killer"

(CBS/AP)  The therapist for Bruce E. Ivins told a judge that as far back as 2000, the late microbiologist suspected in the 2001 anthrax attacks had attempted to poison people and that she was "scared to death" of him, according to an audiotape of the session.

Friends and colleagues of Ivins were still puzzling today about a man they thought they knew, reports CBS News correspondent Randall Pinkston.

"It would be very difficult to put him in a role of a violent person," said former colleague Bruce Adamovicz. "He just simply didn't have that in him."

Adamovicz, Ivins' former supervisor, says Ivins knew he was under suspicion for the deaths of five people in the 2001 anthrax attacks.

"It's very difficult, given Bruce's personality, he was a very sensitive person, very high strung and it's understandable that these continuing pressures on him would wear him down," Adamovicz said.

But Ivins apparently had a violent side. Just days before he committed suicide, Jean Dudley, a therapist who had been treating Ivins for six months, went to court for a protective order, citing a threat he made in a group session.

"He proceeded to describe to the group a very detailed plan to kill his co-workers," Dudley said. "That because he was going to be indicted on capital murder charges, he was going to go out in a blaze of glory that he was going to take everybody out with him."

Duley testified at a hearing in Frederick on July 24 in a successful bid for a protective order from Ivins. The New York Times obtained a recording of the hearing and posted it on its Web site Saturday.

"As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people, either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer. When he feels that he's been slighted or has had - especially toward women - he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings," Duley said.

She added that Ivins "has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic, homicidal killer. I have that in evidence. And through my working with him, I also believe that to be very true."

Duley told the judge she was "scared to death" of Ivins.

Ivins, 62, who worked at an Army biodefense laboratory at Fort Detrick, took his own life Tuesday as federal authorities were closing in after investigating him for more than a year in connection with the deaths of five people poisoned by anthrax sent through the mail.

Answers to one of the nation's highest profile unsolved mysteries are in documents that could be released as early as this week - and help explain how the government chased the wrong suspect for years.

So far, federal authorities have not formally released details of its investigation into Ivans role in the attacks, Pinkston reports. Legal experts say the government is not required to open its files.

"It is likely we'll never know the full extent of the government's evidence and even if we do we won't what Ivins' response would have been cause he wont have a chance to respond," said Stephen Saltzburg, a law professor at George Washington University, and former justice department official.

If authorities close the case, court documents detailing newly developed scientific evidence that recently led the government to Ivins may be unsealed.

Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.

Former FBI profiler Gregg McCrary told The Early Show, "When you begin to profile the cases you look at all the decisions a offender makes. The choice of weapons, who had access to anthrax, and especially this form of weaponized anthrax."

That, McCrary said, narrowed the search to Fort Detrick (what he called "the right place"), even though the FBI's public investigation of Steven Hatfill led to an embarrassing (and costly) payment.

McCrary thinks the pressure of the investigation may have contributed to Ivins' suicide, but the reasons remain unknown. "Either because he was guilty and didn't want to face that ultimate reality [of five murder charges] or not, we don't know. I think in the days coming it's going to be really important how the government sort of tacitly negotiates the legal issues to make whatever evidence they have available to the public.

"We'd like to know what the evidence really is so we can get a sense of how compelling that evidence may or may not be."

Right now all the relevant grand jury proceedings are under court seal.

"If they declare the case closed that may then pave the way to unseal some of these documents and some of the evidence and we may get the opportunity to get a closer, more detailed look," McCrary said.

After wrongly investigating Army scientist Hatfill, the FBI more than a year ago began looking at Ivins, who worked at the same military lab. Ivins, a decorated scientist who was working on an anthrax cure, killed himself last Tuesday.

Two U.S. officials said victims and their survivors could be briefed as early as Tuesday on the final piece of the bioterrorism attacks that confounded the government.

The Justice Department attributed the break in the case to "new and sophisticated scientific tools" that cost the FBI about $10 million. Investigators said the science focused, in part, on how the anthrax strains were handled and who had access to it at the time of the mailings.

FBI scientists were able to isolate strains used in the attacks, and determined they were not as common as previously thought. And that led investigators to Ivins.

Had the same process been available years ago, it would have cleared Hatfill much earlier, according to two people familiar with the FBI investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is not officially closed.

The Army refused Saturday to say whether it had been reviewing the security clearance of the chief suspect in the anthrax attacks who had mental problems and killed himself as federal prosecutors were planning to indict him.

Ivins was removed from his lab in Maryland by police on July 10 and temporarily hospitalized, according to court records, because it was feared that he was a danger to himself and others. But it was unclear whether he was still employed by the lab at the time of his death Tuesday.

That raises the question of whether Ivins still had his security clearance and, if so, how he kept it, given that his social worker said Ivins had been viewed as homicidal and sociopathic by his psychiatrist.

Army spokesman Paul Boyce declined to comment on Ivins' case.

Boyce didn't respond to a question on what type of clearance microbiologists at the lab would have to hold.

David R. Franz, a former commander of the Army's lab biological warfare labs at Fort Detrick, Md., where Ivins worked, said Saturday he thought it was "very important that the FBI present their case against Bruce and not just state that the investigation was over because it was him and he's gone."

Franz added, "I'm concerned about what closing this case without conclusive evidence might do to harm our life sciences enterprise. ... I think we as Americans need to see the proof."

Initially, FBI profilers said they probably were looking for a loner with a scientific background. Maybe he had a grudge against the lawmakers and news organizations. Investigators also considered possible links to al Qaeda, the terrorist group behind the 9/11 attacks.

Intensive focus initially settled on Hatfill, who for years accused the government of unfairly targeting him. In late June, the government exonerated Hatfill and paid him a $5.82 million settlement.

With that, the government seemed no closer to solving the "Amerithrax" mystery. But, quietly, investigators were closing in on a different scientist, Ivins.

A murder indictment and the possibility of the death penalty could have produced a high-profile climax to the case. Shadowed by the FBI, Ivins died Tuesday from a Tylenol overdose, leaving the probe in limbo and a nation seeking answers.

"It's a shame the man is not here with us. We might have known more," said Maureen Stevens, whose husband, Bob, was the first anthrax victim.

Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, said: "I think the FBI owes us a complete accounting of their investigation and ought to be able to tell us at some point, how we're going to bring this to closure." Daschle's office received a letter containing the deadly white powder in 2001.

Among the unanswered questions is why the anthrax was sent. The FBI was investigating whether Ivins, renowned for his work developing anthrax vaccines and treatment, released the toxin to test those cures. Ivins was one of several scientists named in an application for a vaccine patent 18 months before the attacks.

Another puzzle is what finally led the FBI to focus on Ivins a year or so ago. Ivins attracted some attention for conducting unauthorized anthrax testing in the six months following the anthrax mailings, but the FBI focus stayed on Hatfill.

As Ivins' name emerged, so did a portrait of a conflicted, troubled man. His friends knew him as the man who played the keyboard at church, a Red Cross volunteer who was an avid juggler and gardener.

Others saw a darker side. Police recently removed him from work, fearing he was a danger to himself or others. Social worker Duley filed for a restraining order in a Maryland court.

"Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, plans and actions towards therapists," Duley wrote in court documents last week, adding that his psychiatrist had described him as homicidal and sociopathic.

Ivins' brother, Tom Ivins, said he had not spoken to Bruce Ivins since 1985, but acknowledged the possibility his brother may have been the anthrax mailer.

"It makes sense, what the social worker said," Tom Ivins said. "He considered himself like a god."

Ivins' lawyer, Paul F. Kemp, asserted the scientist's innocence and said he would have proved it at trial. Kemp said his client's death was the result of the government's "relentless pressure of accusation and innuendo."

Maryland's chief medical examiner, Dr. David Fowler, confirmed Saturday that Ivins died Tuesday morning at Frederick, Md., Memorial Hospital; that the cause of death was found to be an overdose of acetaminophen, the active drug in Tylenol; and that it was ruled a suicide based on information from police and doctors.

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DaVicar2: ---------------
a natural result = one of the natural results --------------------- suicide is NOT the only natural result ------------------- Hope it''s clear now.

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DaVicar2:
a natural result = one of the natural results
suicide is NOT the only natural result

[cbs_bull]

DaVicar2:
a natural result = one of the natural results
suicide is the only natural result

[samsel3]

Another case of CIA assisted suicide.......Dr. Ivins joins another Fort Detrick Alumni, Dr. Frank Olson. The dead cannot speak and incriminate their perpetrators.

"While aides to Gerald Ford, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney helped cover up the background to the death of CIA scientist, Frank Olson who fell from a 10th floor window in 1953, not long after he had been classified as a potential security risk."

"Olson''s son Eric says his father''s conscience was troubled by awareness of Nazi-style CIA experiments on human subjects. "

[lochlan-2009]

"As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people, either through poisoning"

And she didn''t turn him in.

"took his own life Tuesday as federal authorities were closing in after investigating him for more than a year"

How did he know they were closing in?

"The Army refused Saturday to say whether it had been reviewing (his) security clearance"

Was he on payed leave during the investigation? This stinks to high heaven. There is some lunatic somewhere laughing his head off because the FBI want this embarrasing case closed.

[wl7bzh]

jery8, is there a christian singles dating site? I want my eldest daughter married off by 25 before she is considered an old maid and my family has to live with that shame.

Posted by GOP_forever at 09:18 AM : Aug 04, 2008
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When it comes to marriage there are some things worse than being an old maid.

But then again, if you are trying to get her married off because she doesn''t have an education or job skill and needs someone to support her, you might try Nevada-I think that arrangement is still legal there.

[wl7bzh]

jery8, is there a christian singles dating site? I want my eldest daughter married off by 25 before she is considered an old maid and my family has to live with that shame.

Posted by GOP_forever at 09:18 AM : Aug 04, 2008
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When it comes to marriage there are some things worse than being an old maid.

But then again, if you are trying to get her married off because she doesn''t have an education or job skill and needs someone to support her, you might try Nevada-I think that arrangement is still legal there.

[talkingham]

Are u kidding me? So how or why is this guy working in a top secret lab if this is true:
She added that Ivins "has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic, homicidal killer. I have that in evidence. And through my working with him, I also believe that to be very true."

Several top psychiatrists- just how many times and how long is this guy''s psychiatric record? This whole things smells big time. And they chose to investigate the other scientist Hatfill instead of this guy? Stinky, stinky, smelley!

And with everything at his disposal he bails out using Tylenol-- gee that must be potent stuff, I''m going back to BC headache powders!

[samsel3]

In an interview with Merideth Viera on NBC this morning August 4, 2008, the bureau chief of the Fort Detrick lab, and boss of Dr. Ivins said:

" I don''t beleive anything the Government is saying about Bruce Ivins".

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Suicide is a natural result of depression that is a common disease in our society. And Mr. Ivins'' "history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, plans and actions towards therapists" didn''t stop him from becoming a scientist with top security clearance at Fort Detrick. My point: his suicide and history should NOT make people think he is less innocent in the anthrax case. We need real evidence from this government.

[jery8-2009]

I just feel a little strange that someone is keeping saying some celebrities and

senior rich men joined the famous dating site ageromance.c om.. Did you notice

that? absolutely a rumor!

[samsel3]

Another case of CIA assisted suicide. Years of continuing secrecy, the CIA remains an elite organization with agendas kept beyond the realm of the FBI.

The answer to the Anthrax mystery lies with Bush, Cheney and the CIA strategists who wanted to drum up support for the invasion and regime change of seven countries. Putting the American people in fear of terrorism for their dirty game on the world stage was a disgusting choice. Using a genetically fingerprinted US Army military grade Anthrax was not very smart. They never thought anyone would research the materials genetic fingerprint. Money, power, greed for gain, they all need to be indicted for crimes against humanity in the World Court where justice will be served for all.

[samsel3]

Sound familiar?.........

Frank Olson was not, after all a civilian employee of the Army. He was a CIA employee working at Fort Detrick on precursor programs to MK-ULTRA, specializing in anthrax aerosols, possibly for for use in covert assassination.
Olson''s passport, indicates that in the summer of 1953 --only months before his death-- he had visited secret joint American-British testing and research installations near Frankfurt, Germany where he had likely witnessed terminal experiments on expendable prisoners. His misgivings were such that a British intelligence agent who became aware of them recommended that Olson be denied further access to Porton Down, the British chemical-weapons research establishment."

[samsel3]

Another case of CIA assisted suicide.......Dr. Ivins joins another Fort Detrick Alumni, Dr. Frank Olson. The dead cannot speak and incriminate their perpetrators.

"While aides to Gerald Ford, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney helped cover up the background to the death of CIA scientist, Frank Olson who fell from a 10th floor window in 1953, not long after he had been classified as a potential security risk."

"Olson''s son Eric says his father''s conscience was troubled by awareness of Nazi-style CIA experiments on human subjects. "

[samsel3]

In an interview with Merideth Viera on NBC this morning August 4, 2008, the bureau chief of the Fort Detrick lab, and boss of Dr. Ivins said: " I don''t beleive anything the Government is saying about Bruce Ivins".

[sleepyric]

I am no conspiracy theorist, BUT...this is al too convenient...all of a sudden they find the dude that did the Anthrax, and oh,,he kills himself, oh, case closed!...This sounds like the way the FBI killed off Marilyn!....sounds like a black ops project. Anthrax was probably distributed to whip up the need for the war...Then again,,,if they hound you and procecute you for years, and then they finally set their sights on you, I could see how you''d want to kill yourself. Nobody will ever know for sure...

[sarcelle]

What a convenient suicide! Just in time before a new Democrat government comes to the White House.
Case is closed. The ''old gang'' may sleep easy.

[mtracy9]

The anthrax attacks of October 2001 were obviously carried out by a neocon Black Op team in concert with the team that took down the WTC. The attacks were aimed at two Democratic Senators: Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy who were holding up the "Patriot Act" out of constitutional concerns. Just as bioweapons researcher Bruce Ivins was about to be charged with perpetrating the attacks, he commits suicide. His convenient death prevents any future investigation into the masterminds of the attacks.

[slader99]

McCain called his wife the C-word. Thats a disgusting individual.

[rhs648]

She is the same therapist who counseld Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld after they send 4000 thousand young American soldiers to die in a senseless war and also wipe out a million Iraqis along the way. Stupid is a mild term.

Posted by blitzder

Is this a fact or something you made up?