Suspect Arrested In Lake Sniper Killings

Gunman Came Out Of Woods, Shot Into Group Of 9, Killing 3Teens In Wisconsin

(AP)  Authorities in Wisconsin have arrested a suspect in the shooting deaths of three young swimmers from Michigan.

The arrest Friday morning ended a dragnet that included more than 100 law enforcement officers around the northern Wisconsin town of Niagara. Few details on the arrest, including the suspect's identity, were immediately released.

Nine young adults had gathered near a railroad bridge on the Menominee River when the gunman came out of the woods and opened fire Thursday with a military-style assault rifle, Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula said. The gunman shot and killed three Michigan teenagers and wounded a 20-year-old Michigan man.

The river forms a border between Marinette County and Dickinson County in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

No motive has been determined, according to the sheriff, who said there was no communication between the shooter and the young people. The shooter was 7 to 10 feet away from one victim when he fired, Kanikula said.

Tiffany Pohlson, 17, Anthony Spigarelli, 18, and Bryan Mort, 19, were killed, the sheriff said. Twenty-year-old Daniel Louis Gordon was wounded.

Pohlson attended Norway, Mich., High School where she would have been a senior this fall, said Randy Van Gasse, Norway-Vulcan Area Schools superintendent.

"Her personality and her smile will be missed," Van Gasse said.

He said the community was struggling with the tragedy.

"There's a saying up here that this is a great place to raise kids. That's been violated, and we don't know why," Van Gasse said. "This is a close-knit community. This is obviously a shock to everybody.

"This is where people come to relax and get away from craziness."

Officers had set up roadblocks at Highway 141 and county Highway N in Niagara and along some rural roads in Niagara as they searched for the gunman. Sheriff's deputies evacuated an unknown number of homes in the area.

[nodemotwit]

It is always amazing how the liberal media (eg:CBS)
consistently seems to fail to update (typically),
or even mention (sometimes),
important details about these incidents.
This article, for example, fails to mention that this MI perp is accused of raping a woman less that 24 hrs earlier.
ie:
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=8775264

Or how a previous article
ie:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/national/main4298321.shtml?mpid=1981

failed to be updated to mention that the TN
perps history included threatening to kill his former wife:
ie:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/29/national/main4302517.shtml

The purpose being, of course, is to try and portray these perps as being completely normal, law abiding gun owners, with no past history of criminal behavior
who, moments before their ''1st'' crime, were ''seduced'' by the ''evil gun''
into committing these heinous crimes.
Repeat it often enough to an unquestioning liberal base and that fallacy becomes ''liberal fact''.

Or how nicely that dove-tails into liberal attempts to single out one of the Bill of INDIVIDUAL Rights and try to morph - just that one - into a STATE right. And if the latter really was the intent of the founding fathers, how did they allow such a gross violation of the Constitution as ''self defense by firearm'' to propagate across America from day one ?

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But, as a law-abiding gun owner, I would like to see the access to both firearms and ammunition by criminals and the mentally unstable minimized.

Personally, I''d like to see the Firearm part of the ATF take on some

responsibilities that are similar to the Center of Disease Control (CDC). In the latter case, when someone contracts a population threatening disease (eg:

tuberculoses), the CDC is, by law, notified by medical practitioners then acts A.R. to prevent the spread to the rest of the population. So, for the

ATF, this would mean that :

** Medical practitioners would be required, by law, to report mentally unstable patients to the ATF in every case that they are deemed a threat to themselves or their family or the general population.

** The Armed services would be required, by law, to report any discharge from the service for serious mental problems.

Similarly, given the youth of many of these perps, a special case needs to be made wrt juvenile criminal records, specifically:

** Juvenile violent offenses would, by law, be reported to the ATF, and considered by the ATF until the age of 25, after which those records would be purged, unless those individuals developed an adult rap sheet involving more violent offenses by age 25.

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THEN, the ATF, firearm dealers and gun show promoters would need to modernize their equipment such that both firearm and ammunition purchases are vetted by the ATF, online, w/128 bit encryption (ie: same security as CC purchases).

And for those conservatives worried about the ATF tracking ammunition purchases, every purchasers name/address could be submitted by the gun shops computer along with a pool of randomly picked local state residents, with the ATF computer on the other end quickly (less that 1 second) providing an electronic thumbs up/down for all of them, then the gun shops computer would filter out all but the intended buyer. If the ATF were to track in this scenario then it would appear, over time, that 100% of the states adult residents are purchasing ammunition.


Since we give medical data to the CDC to protect the general populace I do not think it is as big stretch to give similar data to the ATF to, again, protect the general populace.

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Additionally, the ATF needs to set national standards within which the state governments can restrict the parameters of firearm ownership AND interstate transportation for travel/vacation purposes.

** The former: To avoid DC-like scenarios, where self defense becomes a non-option. Truly self-defense threatening restrictions, like requiring a firearm to be disassembled and scattered into 4 corners of a house in individually locked containers, or requiring a special tool to change a clip, like in CA, would be illegal per Federal law.

** The latter: To avoid the imbecilic hodge-podge of different state firearm transportation rules across the US.


Finally, the ATF could be empowered to take steps to make it more costly for individuals w/a history of violent misdemeanor convictions (but no felonies) to LEGALLY (key word) acquire guns. For example, for a period of time (5yrs ?) after their most recent violent misdemeanor conviction they could be required to adhere to NFA-like requirements (mug shot, prints, gun tax, gun registration, interstate transportation restrictions, etc.). That would be a way to try and dissuade these individuals from proceeding onto violent felony infractions, and make it easier to ID the ones that do. But to thwart the inevitable vindictive spousal units associated w/US divorce you would need some stiff penalties for staged events leading to false convictions.

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But this only addresses part of the problem. Some other aspects are that :

** In certain states, liberals encourage illegal immigration and, by default, the illegal documentation industries that enable the former, and therefore the ''drivers license as ID'' for gun/ammunition purchases, as vetted in such an ATF system/responsibility upgrade as outlined above, would be much less robust. For this reason, National ID or similar protocols may be required.

** In certain states, human life has become too cheap. For example, the rap sheet of the perp Arthur Mann, who got life (2-28-08) in GA for shooting his ex-girlfriend, in public, shows that he was previously released after serving only FOUR years of a pathetic 10yr sentence for a prior murder in FL.

www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/06/shooter.suspect/index.html?iref=newssearch

I do not know if this is due to the liberal anthem of the ''perp is the victim'', or neocons who are too cheap to push for execution-or-life incarceration for murder, or maybe both, but FOUR years for murder ??
And even when these murderers are condemned to life in prison, what are they faced with ?

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A lifetime of :
__free medical care,
__free food
__bed with fresh linen
__air conditioning and heat
__exercise, and
__reading materials.

All at taxpayer expense.
Wow.
I bet Arthur Mann was in that GA courtroom, just begging for the death penalty.


(As a side note, why is it OK to use DNA evidence to free a death row inmate, but not OK to use DNA

evidence to put someone on death row ? And if DNA evidence can accelerate someone off death row

quickly (and rightly so), why couldnt it also accelerate their execution, especially when multiple

witness to the crime are also involved ? ).

** In certain states, conservatives have implemented what are known as Project Exile laws (eg: VA).

Specifically, felons are already prohibited by Federal law from possessing firearms (which, of

course, does not prevent them from doing so when they leave prison, eg: Arthur Mann), but, with

Project Exile, a felon even being caught jaywalking while in possession of a firearm will result in

a 5yr incarceration w/o parole. This should be made into a Federal law applicable to all states,

whether the sates want it or not, but it would have to be prosecuted in Federal courts to not

financially burden states.

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This would still leave states to restrict citizen carry laws off their property, outside of their autos, as the state sees fit. Keep in mind though, that still would leave the looney left entities to make their childish gun laws, like requiring law abiding gun owners to transport their firearms outside their homes in a locked container with the word ''GUN'' in big white letters on the case (eg: Boulder, CO, Jan 17, 2001). Presumably this was so that their non-gun owning neighbors could be alerted to such a heinous threat so that they could start running around their home interiors, in circular desperation, hands flailing in the air, shrieking, until their law abiding but obviously evil gun-owning neighbor drove out of sight.

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Otherwise, I have seen prior posts mentioning 30,000 US citizens killed by guns every year. This is true, for 2004, but only to the extent that well over half of them are suicides. Liberals would have you believe that this group of suicide-by-gun individuals posses a unique genetic trait, such that if they do not have a gun then they will not commit suicide, EVER. Here is the actual CDC US mortality data for 2004:

By gun:
Suicide ........- 16,750
Homicide .......- 11,624
Accident .......- 649
Undetermined ...- 235

By other than gun:
Suicide ........- 15,689
Homicide .......- 5,733
Accidents ......- 111,363

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By Accident other than gun:
Auto/Truck/etc .- 48,053
Falls ..........- 18,807
Drowning .......- 3,308
Fire/Smoke .....- 3,229
Poisoning ......- 20,950
Unspecified ....- 17,016

www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr55/nvsr55_19.pdf

Since almost 15,700 other individuals managed to commit suicide W/O a gun, liberals will have to provide genetic proof that these 16,750 individuals are a genetically unique group, somehow predisposed to ''Suicide-by-gun-or-Live''. Since they cant, I submit that common sense dictates otherwise, which leaves the honest number of 12,500, not 30,000.

So if you are worried about gun homicide you are over 4X more likely to die in a car accident than by gun homicide.
And if you are worried about a gun accident you are 5X more likely to die in a fire accident, 32X more likely to die of a poisoning accident, and 74X more likely to die in a car accident than by a gun accident.

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But, that being said, I do not see why some common sense steps, possibly those outlined above,
could not be taken to restrict access to both firearms and ammunition by criminals and the mentally unstable.
The only problem is that all of this would require our liberal, conservative and independent representatives to come together and make it happen. Seeing all the other un-enforced
laws they are already collectively responsible for, Im not holding my breath.

[whiskyrokkr]

Why are they calling this a "sniper" killing? Snipers shoot from a concealed position.

[pat1967-2009]

patriot12436,

Yes, the type of damage is wounding, not killing. Very much designed to slow the enemy down. The 30-06 is a much more effective killing round which was my original statement. It''s all about the energy, baby. BTW FYI, I am a mechanical engineer as well as a shooting enthusiast. I am very familiar with what happens off the end of a barrel as well as why.

Enjoy!

[patriot12436]

excoachken
Your too late
Take a walk in the hood. Those kids are armed and will blow you away in a second I don''t know of anything that hasn''t been tried to correct society. Nothing seems to work, now we must protect ourselves. We have been left without a choice.

[patriot12436]

pat1967
While your statistics are correct, the assault weapons were adapted for the type of damage they would cause in a combat situation. Also the factor of weight is a great consideration when you have to move often and fast.

[patriot12436]

buckfush500
What is the population in Canada compared to the US. ? What is their ratio of blacks in thier population quota ? What are there punishments in comparison to ours for the same crimes ? These statistics need to be figured in to make your statement accurate for a percentage.

[pat1967-2009]

The regular factory load for the 150 grain spitzer bullet in the .30-06 has a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2,910 fps with muzzle energy (ME) of 2,820 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the figures are 2,342 fps and 1,827 ft. lbs.

As you can see. the 30-06 has a much higher muzzle energy and carries this energy farther down range, making it a much more deadly round. The reason American military weapons do not use the 30-06 any longer is that the ammo is heavy for the number of rounds yo need to carry.

[pat1967-2009]

patriot12436,

While you are correct that the NATO 5.56 has a higher muzzle velocity, it hs a much lighter bullet making the muzzle energy and down range energy much less. Here''s a bit of info:

7.62 NATO (M14 & M60 Machine-gun):

Bullet Weight = 150 grains
Nominal Muzzle Velocity = approximately 2700 fps.
Muzzle Energy = 2427 ft. Lbs.
Muzzle Energy at 500 yds. = 1576 ft. lbs.



5.56 NATO (XM16E1):

Bullet Weight = 55 grains
Nominal Muzzle Velocity = approximately 3185 fps
Muzzle Energy = 1239 ft. lbs.
Muzzle Energy at 500 yds. = 252 ft. lbs.



.22 Long Rifle (Generic .22 Rifle):

Bullet Weight = 40 grains
Nominal Muzzle Velocity = 1335 fps. (high velocity ctg.)
Muzzle Energy = 158 ft. lbs
Muzzle Energy at 500 yds. = ?



7.62 X 39 (AK-47):

Bullet Weight = 125 grains

Nominal Muzzle Velocity = 2400 fps.

Muzzle Energy = 1598 ft. lbs.

Muzzle Energy at 500 yds. = 414 ft. lbs.



.30 Carbine:

Bullet Weight = 110 grains
Nominal Muzzle Velocity = approximately 2000 fps.
Muzzle Energy = 976 ft. lbs.
Muzzle Energy at 500 yds. = 182 ft. lbs.

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excoachken
Reasonable gun owners agree something must be done. Make the punishmenyt severe enough so criminals won''t want to pay the price for their crimes.

[edintex]

When "everyone has guns," we All lose our FREEDOM to live open, safe lives...Posted by excoachken at 08:16 AM : Aug 02, 2008
Tell that to the young man who was stabbed and decapitated yesterday in Canada. I''ll bet he would be alive today if SOMEONE on that bus had a gun.
The open and safe life you speak about will only be found in heaven.

[hhroams]

This person would have been killing people whether with guns or knives or clubs etc. Guns do not make violent people--violent people find whatever weapon they can and use it.

[excoachken]

When "everyone has guns," we All lose our FREEDOM to live open, safe lives. Why does everyone have to become violently equipped, when reasonable restrictions used to clear people for possessing a deadly weapon would result in many fewer needless deaths and disabilities? Please consider some other options before we "follow the example" of the Sudan, where 7 year olds are armed. The more weapons are injected into everyday life, the more uncivilized the society becomes!