3 Teens Charged In Immigrant Beating Death

The Teens, Who Are White, Allegedly Beat Illegal Immigrant To Death In Pennsylvania

(AP)  Three white teens were charged Friday in what officials said was an epithet-filled fatal beating of an illegal Mexican immigrant in a small northeast Pennsylvania coal town.

Brandon J. Piekarsky, 16, and Colin J. Walsh, 17, were charged as adults with homicide and ethnic intimidation in the July 12 attack on Luis Ramirez.

A third teen, Derrick M. Donchak, 18, was charged with aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation and other offenses. All are from Shenandoah, where the attack occurred.

Ramirez, 25, was beaten to death after an argument with a group of youths that police said included high school football players. Authorities could not immediately say if any of the suspects were members of the team, but they confirmed that all three used ethnic slurs during the fight.

"As a result of this crime, a young man has lost his life. Many other lives have been devastated, and the borough of Shenandoah has been filled with tensions between many ethnic groups," Schuylkill County District Attorney James Goodman said.

"Now that the criminal charges have been filed, we must let this case be handled in the criminal justice system," he said.

Police said as many as six teens were involved in the fight, which ended with Ramirez in convulsions and foaming at the mouth. He died July 14 of head injuries.

Crystal Dillman, the victim's 24-year-old fiancee, who is white and grew up in Shenandoah, has said Ramirez was often called derogatory names, including "dirty Mexican," and told to return to his homeland.

"I plan on moving out of this town as fast as I can. Not because I'm scared. I just don't want to see my children have to deal with what their father dealt with," Dillman said.

Piekarsky and Walsh were being held without bail, while Donchak was held on $75,000 bail.

Lawyers for Piekarsky and Walsh said their clients were not guilty and that there was no evidence to support the homicide charges. They also said they would try to have the case removed to juvenile court.

Donchak declined comment.

[closethippy1]

When I was a student in Boston I was beating up twice on the streets by gangs of kids my age because of my accent.
I''d offered them my wallet or watch and they''d be like, "We don''t want your money, you foreigner!" and keep on beating me.
Geezus, guys, take it easy. The US is supposed to be number 1, and better than other countries, remember?

[obama441]

friggin white trash b.astards!! rest in peace Ramirez,you''re in a better place now...

[bobgee_1999]

Disgusting, but not a total loss; that''s 3 white-trash, Limbaugh/Savage/Hannity listeners that will be going to prison and who, if they live through the first six months, will be wearing women''s panties and spending a lot of time on their knees, probably in front of members of La Eme. Enjoy, fellas!

[shazam112]

Shame on america rob roy is totally correct ....

[shazam112]

He was illegal and shouldn''''t have been here but this does not justify murder. He had the opportunity to be here legally and didn''''t do anythig. Sone will claim it is too expensive to get legalized. They have places thqat will help you free of charge if you can''''t afford it. Will his wife opay his medical bill. I doubt it. She is sitting home with two babies drawing welfare because of her poor decision making.


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Posted by patriot12436 at 09:37 PM : Jul 25,

you are one sick man ..I can''t wait to drag your head through the gutters of toronto ....

[dougmsbbs]

Sad as this is, it''s only going to get worse. Here in the midwest, it''s getting close to the boiling point. A lot of hispanic stores have been burned down already.
What about our estemed elected officials sworn to uphold the law of the land? How do they feel when this happens, and they could have prevented it?

[obama441]

as always the case what goes around comes around,watch your head "white boys"

[patriot12436]

anon00
Glad you left, if your not part of the solution then you are a part of the problem. I do not condone the crime of killing this man but i do not condone illegal immigrants either. Even to call them immigrants seems to give them a legal status. They are breaking the laws of our country. We should enforce all our laws equally.

[patriot12436]

shazam
Real men have tried, i do not fear the likes of you.

[obama441]

patriot12436 you''re a coward go to Afghanistan and fight the real enemy "patriot"

[patriot12436]

obama441
I fought in Vietnamand am too old for service. Where have you served ?

[patriot12436]

obama441
Just like i thought, another cowardly terrorist, slink back to your hole in the ground before a true American finds you and sends you to Allah.

[patriot12436]

shazam
Look to the shadows, there you wil find me. I am your deepest nightmare. I appear when you least expect me. Tremble as you should. You cannot escape me.

[shazam112]

shazam
Look to the shadows, there you wil find me. I am your deepest nightmare. I appear when you least expect me. Tremble as you should. You cannot escape me.


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Posted by patriot12436

you old f-art who cares about your shadows ,I want to see your ugly face ,I don''t want to escape you old punk ,I hope if you are half the man you will show up when ever,I gave you the real address ,like a real man achilles that you never experienced before ,if you are too old and half the man to come ,I can show up at your door just tell me where,and you will see the difference between you any me ,I say it again soldier old man lets rock p-i-g.

[nojoy01]

You''re missing the point people. Whether the man was an "illegal immigrant" or an "undocumented alien" is irrelevant. The man was murdered. He was beaten, savagely. For a group of ''untrained'' people to beat a man to death requires a level of violence and up close participation that most people cannot even begin to imagine. He wasn''t just punched, struck, or kicked. More than likely what happened was that the ''pack'' beat him down to the ground and then stomped on him. Not just once or twice. But started stomping & kept on stomping until their legs were wobbly, their knees weak, and they were gasping for air. And for what? Becaues he was an ''illegal immigrant''? Because he was different? No. Because a group of vocal, pimple brained pin headed morons in our society who are screaming about ''illegal immigrants'' basically TOLD them it was ok for them to do whatever they wanted to this man because he was less than human. The man was murdered. And I hope whoever did the deed spends the rest of their natural lives in a cell. And we will only be able to charge & try the ones who did the deed, not the ones responsible.

[patriot12436]

shazam
I will arrive at airport in Syracuse New York on 3 Sep at 1821, US airlines. Come if you dare, when you see my face then you will see Allah, for i will send you to him.

[mcv57]

Now if the police officers did something like this, they would host lies, fabricate evidence, and hide behind local judicial corruption. It happens everyday amoung blacks and the poor. Check out the corruption in Chicago, Peterson is getting away with murder of two wifes. The law enforcement agency is legalized mobsters with a judicial union support.

[rudy654-2009]

Strange--I just recently told me wife, "I''''m amazed at the number of people on CBS'''' website who make outwardly racist comments about illegal immigrants. I thought ''''political correctness'''' would have fixed that problem already."

In any case, I''''m a legal immigrant to the Czech Republic, so one of those illegal immigrants in the U.S., whom the idiots hate so much, can have my place.



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Posted by anon00 at 09:52 PM

You have to understand that these racists who support this kind of evil are just plain trash. Worthless and ugly people who should never have been born. When they die, they will die alone and hated by anyone and everyone who ever knew them. Most will hope they get cremated.

[rudy654-2009]

These teens should not be charged with homicide. They should be charged with first degree murder and if there is a death penalty, they should get it. If not, life in a prison full of minorities will be just fine.

[patriot12436]

shazam
I have been living out of the country and do not have a home address until i return. Show up at the airport, go to united and ask for Gary williams. I will be waiting for you. I have to admit i rarely find an enemy so eager to die.

[patriot12436]

rudy654
Supporting the laws of our country does not make anyone a racist. I am niot against him because he is Mexican. I have met and respect many fine Mexican people. I am against him for being illegal. I also stated i do not condone murder for any reason.

[rudy654-2009]

shazam and patriot: You two have been reported for your violent posts making threats.

[rudy654-2009]

I am against him for being illegal. I also stated i do not condone murder for any reason.


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Posted by patriot12436 at 11:37 PM

So? That justifies people killing him? Are you sick? Get the he11 out of the US, you don''t belong.

[patriot12436]

rudy654
For a charge of first degree murder there has to be proof of premeditation. Did these teens plan this murder or did it happen because they and the illegal happened to be in thwe wrong place at the wrong time. The prosecutor must follow the law if he intends to win.

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by martha44 at 11:40 PM

You should be tossed out of the country. But no, there is something better for you. You will die a hated person, ugly and alone.

[patriot12436]

rudy
Read my comments, that isn''t what i said. read the comments and see who threatened who first. I do not consider eliminating terrorists to be against the law. Report all you want, but learn to opn your eyes and see what the facts are.

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by patriot12436 at 11:41 PM

You should not allow this nut to use the forum for making threats, by then continuing likewise. Report him instead. I did.

[patriot12436]

martha44
You are wrong if we are to obey laws we cannot select and choose which ones we like, we accept and support accordingly. This man was kiled because of racial hatred, that is wrong. He was illegal and that is wrong but does not justify the killing of a person.

[patriot12436]

shazam
I will not address you further, show up if you dare but i have never met a coward like you that dares to come.

[shazam112]

shazam and patriot: You two have been reported for your violent posts making threats.


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Posted by rudy654 at 11:37 PM : Jul 25, 2008


you are an idiot rudy ,these are not threats ,this is how the evil and good meets to show there skills ...

[patriot12436]

rudy
Reporting scum like shazam does nothing. He is the enemy who wishes to destroy America. I was trained to fight our enemy and will continue to do so. I prefer negotiations to war, but will not back away from someone intent on destroying our country.

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by shazam112 at 11:46 PM

When you make threats, you are hardly worth answering.

[patriot12436]

rudy
See what i mean now he attacks you for reporting him.I on the other hand am wiulling to address you in a civil manner. We may disagree, but we know how to be civil. That is the difference between Americans and terrorists.

[nojoy01]

Uh, patriot12436, which city are you departing from? I just checked & found US Airlines arriving in Syracuse @ 18:05 & 18:41 but if I knew where you were flying in from I might be able to pin it down. Shazam, it looks like you best flight on US Airlines leaves Toronto @ 10:40, one stop in Philly, & arrives in Syracuse @ 17:32 hrs.

[shazam112]

I am against him for being illegal. I also stated i do not condone murder for any reason.


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Posted by patriot12436 at 11:37 PM

So? That justifies people killing him? Are you sick? Get the he11 out of the US, you don''''t belong.


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Exactly he is sick ,thats how every thing started,he wants to send even good christians to allah ...

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by patriot12436 at 11:48 PM

I am quick to jump to conclusion and I apologize. However, you should not be encouraging this kind of thing because you don''t know the mentality you might be dealing with and if he were serious, someone completely innocent could get hurt.

[patriot12436]

shazam
I change planes in Charlotte N. Carolina. to Syracuse.

[rudy654-2009]

he wants to send even good christians to allah ...


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Posted by shazam112

Does he? Why are you in a threatening match?

[patriot12436]

rudy
I am a trained professional, he has no idea who he is dealing with. In an airport he cannot have weapons. Anything he brings i can handle. I am ex ranger from Vietnam, 27 years martial arts, and 15 law enforcement, with six years as a bounty hunter. He has nothing for me to fear.

[rudy654-2009]

Now, 3 teens will have a record for the rest of their lives for defending America against ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS.


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Posted by bhappy2-2 at 11:56 PM

GOOD!! THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER. MAY THEIR CONSCIENCES GIVE THEM NO PEACE FOR THE REST OF THEIR MISERABLE LIVES.

[shazam112]

Reporting scum like shazam does nothing. He is the enemy who wishes to destroy America. I was trained to fight our enemy and will continue to do so. I prefer negotiations to war, but will not back away from someone intent on destroying our country.


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Posted by patriot12436 at 11:46 PM : Jul 25, 2008
+ rep

people like you are destroying the once great country of united states of america,by exhibiting and condoning your uglyness about the poor haspanics murdered by three young thugs like you...

[patriot12436]

bhappy
Advocating that murder is ok to uphold a law ? I do not follow your logic. If you believe the law is just then you have to administer it in a just way. Killing someone for this crime is not justified.

[patriot12436]

rudy
You see, you canot use logic with someone like him. He continues to try to distort what i say on here.

[patriot12436]

rudy
I know to well the mentallity of his kind. I think we could have world peace if we were willing to sit down and discuss our differences. The terrorists have proven they cannot be negotiated with.

[rudy654-2009]

He was illegal and shouldn''''''''t have been here but this does not justify murder. He had the opportunity to be here legally and didn''''''''t do anythig. Sone will claim it is too expensive to get legalized. They have places thqat will help you free of charge if you can''''''''t afford it. Will his wife opay his medical bill. I doubt it. She is sitting home with two babies drawing welfare because of her poor decision making.

Posted by patriot12436 at 09:37 PM : Jul 25,

This is not accurate, patriot. I don''t know his personal circumstances, but it is nearly impossible for poor people to immigrate to this country. Our immigration laws put up too many barriers against people of poor means. Now, if he had been a rich man, a movie star, or musical artist, then he would have no problem at all. I have a friend who is a song writer from Mexico. Getting here was no problem for him. Yet, someone who was raised here, although not born here, and is poor, but a hard worker, gets thrown out for 10 years minimum the moment he tried to rectify the situation.

[patriot12436]

rudy
I served my country for 20 years. I have never fought as a mercenary. I fight for justice, not money. No soldier dons the uniform so that he will become rich. I is done with a pride of self and country, which comes fom within.

[shazam112]

rudy
I am a trained professional, he has no idea who he is dealing with. In an airport he cannot have weapons. Anything he brings i can handle. I am ex ranger from Vietnam, 27 years martial arts, and 15 law enforcement, with six years as a bounty hunter. He has nothing for me to fear.


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Posted by patriot12436 at 11:57 PM : Jul

I am aware you that you are trained in all the s-hit that you are posting ,...you are forgetting 25 years ago one north korean soldier killed three american soldiers in hand to hand combat coward old man ,we invented the martials art old man ...you are going to teach us your f-ag tricks...

[bhappy2-2]

Advocating that murder is ok to uphold a law ? I do not follow your logic. If you believe the law is just then you have to administer it in a just way. Killing someone for this crime is not justified.

Posted by patriot12436

I did not say I advocate murder, I said I don''t care how they leave as long as they go. I said if our government would issue orders to the people WE PAY to protect our borders from illegal invasion this type of incident would not happen so often. I said the lives of 3 teens are basically ruined. From that, how do you get that I am an advocate for murder? What I am is an advocate for American sovereignty, for LEGAL immigration and for Americans taking back America before it becomes another third world country and gets re-named North Mexico.

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by patriot12436 at 12:08 AM

Does patriotism mean that one has to fight another because of threats?

[patriot12436]

rudy
I have seen organizations that help poor immigrants so i know it is possible. If not well it is still illegal for him top be here. He was here for six years, married an American woman, had children but did nothing to become a legal immigrant. I am sorry he was killed but it doesn''t change the fact he was an illegal. We have to support and enforce our laws to protect American citizens. The way these kids chose was totally the wrong way.