July 17, 2008

Both Campaigns Linked To Fannie, Freddie

Washington Post: Figures Connected To McCain, Obama Also Have Deep Ties To Mortgage Giants

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When Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's stock prices plunged and rumors of their insolvency swirled, the presidential campaigns of Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama released terse statements about the mortgage giants, then went nearly silent.

Their responses made sense in political and economic terms. The risks of intervening in the firms' rescue are high, the rewards are scant, and the tentacles of the government-sponsored enterprises reach into both campaigns.

"You see a consensus developing that the current system is unsustainable," said David C. John, a senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. "But actually saying what has to happen next is a little bit scary if you're in a campaign, especially if some of your most prominent supporters have such deep ties to these entities."

Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, was president of the Homeownership Alliance, which advocates the expansion of homeownership through low-interest mortgages funded by Fannie and Freddie. Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., who is heading McCain's vice presidential vetting panel, was a lobbyist for Fannie Mae. Mark Buse, a longtime McCain aide, lobbied for Freddie Mac before returning to McCain's Senate staff.

And the list of Republican Fannie and Freddie lobbyists includes some of its most notable rogues -- including Tony Rudy, Edwin Buckham, Kevin Ring and David H. Safavian, all of whom were linked to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal -- as well as some of its leading power brokers, from Reagan White House chief of staff Kenneth M. Duberstein to uberlobbyists Vin Weber and Tom Korologos. Alberto R. Cardenas, one of McCain's top fundraisers, has lobbied for Fannie Mae, as have former Montana governor Marc Racicot and tax-cut advocate Grover Norquist.

Obama also has ties to the firms. James A. Johnson, the former head of his vice presidential vetting panel, was a chief executive of Fannie Mae, as was Franklin D. Raines, who said this week that he has been consulting with the campaign on housing issues. Maria Echaveste, a top Clinton White House official whose husband, Christopher Edley Jr., is a close Obama friend and adviser, has lobbied for Freddie Mac, and former commerce secretary William M. Daley, a top Obama backer, was an in-house lobbyist.

Other Democratic luminaries who have advocated for the mortgage giants include strategist Steven Elmendorf, Rep. Doris Matsui (Calif.), former Al Gore aide Ronald A. Klain, former Clinton aide Steve Ricchetti and former congressman Harold E. Ford Jr. (Tenn.), now the head of the Democratic Leadership Council. Jamie Gorelick, a deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, was also vice chairman of Fannie Mae.

That payroll has cost Fannie and Freddie nearly $200 million in lobbying and campaign contributions over the past decade, according to lobbying reports and Federal Election Commission disclosures. It has also won them plenty of protection from calls for greater regulation, less federal protection, and even nationalization.

With the current housing meltdown, that protection may be ending, Washington economists say, but any real changes will almost certainly happen after the election.

"I am hopeful that the extent of carnage will shake up the status quo," said Douglas W. Elmendorf, an economist at the Brookings Institution who has worked at the Federal Reserve Board and Treasury Department and is not related to Steven Elmendorf. "And if the taxpayers end up putting in a significant amount of money, which I think they will, members of Congress will realize whatever their past views were, the future cannot be a replay of the past."

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac grew huge and powerful by buying up home mortgages and consolidating them into fixed return bonds and other financial instruments with the implicit backing of the Treasury. But with so many of those mortgages going into default, investors fear that both companies lack the capital to cover the losses, and the lobbyists have helped Fannie and Freddie fend off calls to bolster their reserves.

On Sunday, Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. made that implicit federal backing more explicit, allowing the companies to borrow directly from the Federal Reserve and pledging that the government stands ready to pump money into the giants in exchange for equity if necessary.

Douglas Elmendorf argued that federal loans will minimize the personal risks to Fannie and Freddie managers and shareholders, while leaving taxpayers with all the risk. Instead, the government should be taking stakes in the companies in exchange for that cash. That way, a recovery would have some benefit to the government.

The McCain campaign has been reticent about backing anything that smacks of partial nationalization. Last week, the senator from Arizona issued what amounted to full-throated support of the Bush administration's efforts to keep the companies afloat.

"Those institutions, Fannie and Freddie, have been responsible for millions of Americans to be able to own their own homes, and they will not fail, we will not allow them to fail," he said. "They are vital to Americans' ability to own their own homes. And we will do what's necessary to make sure that they continue that function."

Obama has been slightly more skeptical, at least in tone. His initial statement put the issue of homeownership first. The senator from Illinois "has long believed we should take all necessary steps to ensure affordable homeownership for millions of American families, and that includes an essential role for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac," spokesman Bill Burton said last week.

Then on Tuesday, Obama sounded a note of skepticism: "I think it is important, with respect to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, that we ensure there's continued liquidity in the housing market, but that we're not devoting huge sums of money to bailing out shareholders or CEOs. I mean, I think that there's got to be some recognition that you can't have those institutions with all upside but no downside," he said on PBS's "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer."

That is still a far cry from prescriptions coming from the campaigns' left and right flanks, from firing the firms' managers before offering any loans, to nationalizing them to breaking them up. But analysts in Washington say those next steps will have to wait.

"It's going to take a lot of effort, and it's going to require some real sustained activities," John said. "It won't be easy, but it can be done."


By Jonathan Weisman
© 2008 The Washington Post Company

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by Gary Kempf July 17, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
Douglas Elmendorf argued that federal loans will minimize the personal risks to Fannie and Freddie managers and shareholders, while leaving taxpayers with all the risk

Its time the tax payer stop footing the bill these self serving egomaniacs have caused....
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by credibility2 July 17, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
No one''s hands are clean and for both candidates to have condemned the Fannie and Freddie situation, without giving any thought whatsoever that their past involvement with those linked to these two entities was rather foolish and naive. Ah, the ole'' guilt by association bit routine. I''m waiting for McCain and especially Obama to explain this detail and the facts away, especially about their relationships with lobbyists closely associated with these entities. It will be curious especially for Obama, who has consistently blustered his way around his being closely allied with lobbyists, to tap dance his way around this latest revelation. Maybe Obama will have two or more press conferences to explain himself and what he really meant and why people keep taking him out of context. More vetting to come. More detail to be uncovered. I''d say the voter stands to gain the most from all of this.
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by liberalme July 17, 2008 11:12 AM PDT
I''''m waiting for McCain and especially Obama to explain this detail and the facts away, especially about their relationships with lobbyists closely associated with these entities. It will be curious especially for Obama, who has consistently blustered his way around his being closely allied with lobbyists, to tap dance his way around this latest revelation. Maybe Obama will have two or more press conferences to explain himself and what he really meant and why people keep taking him out of context. More vetting to come. More detail to be uncovered. I''''d say the voter stands to gain the most from all of this.

Posted by Credibility2

I am especially anxious to hear McCains side---I suppose once McCain confers with Lieberman about what his ties have been with these entities, he seems to "forget" stuff lately.

Actually, he may be anxious to hear what he did yesterday for that matter.
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by forthepeopl1 July 17, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
Concerns about the international breadth of the fallout from Fannie and Freddie''s problems also eased. South Korea''s central bank denied a media report that it had unrealized losses of more than $7 billion in investments in U.S. agency debt including bonds issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Bank of China 3988.HK 601988.SS , meanwhile, may hold roughly $20 billion worth of bonds issued by Fannie and Freddie, according to a research note by analysts at CLSA.

A Bank of China spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment. Because the U.S. government has taken steps to support Fannie and Freddie, CLSA said in its note that it regards the credit risk for the two as near to that of a sovereign credit rating for the government itself.

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by perceptions5 July 17, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
***** BREAKING NEWS ********

Look what''s happening in Obama''s old district, the south-side of Chicago.

HOPE and CHANGE is something that Obama isn''t going to bring to the White House because he can''t even bring it to his old district.

LIES and NO CHANGE is what we can expect. ................................sorry here''s the FACTS:

""Violent crime in the city of Chicago is out of control," Blagojevich said at the bill signing ceremony. "I''m offering resources of the state to the city to work in a constructive way with Mayor Daley to do everything we can possibly do to help stop this violence," said the governor.

The summer of 2008 will be remembered as especially violent. Blagojevich said there''s been a child shot nearly every day since June 26, with 29 Chicago Public School students shot since last fall.

"Twenty-eight of those kids are African-American and Latino. Hard to imagine that that would be acceptable if that were, in fact, the case inother parts of the city or in a middle-class suburb somewhere," he said. "Something is wrong, and this violence has to stop."

Bringing in state troopers -- even National Guard helicopters to high-crime areas -- is still very much in the planning stages."

Are WE THE PEOPLE going to "promote" a politician that has no record of accomplishments but a CLEAR record of "failure"???

America''s "deep blue one-party" cities are a disgrace to this great country and the world.

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by perceptions5 July 17, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
***** BREAKING NEWS ********

Look what''s happening in Obama''s old district, the south-side of Chicago.

HOPE and CHANGE is something that Obama isn''t going to bring to the White House because he can''t even bring it to his old district.

LIES and NO CHANGE is what we can expect. ................................sorry here''s the FACTS:

""Violent crime in the city of Chicago is out of control," Blagojevich said at the bill signing ceremony. "I''m offering resources of the state to the city to work in a constructive way with Mayor Daley to do everything we can possibly do to help stop this violence," said the governor.

The summer of 2008 will be remembered as especially violent. Blagojevich said there''s been a child shot nearly every day since June 26, with 29 Chicago Public School students shot since last fall.

"Twenty-eight of those kids are African-American and Latino. Hard to imagine that that would be acceptable if that were, in fact, the case inother parts of the city or in a middle-class suburb somewhere," he said. "Something is wrong, and this violence has to stop."

Bringing in state troopers -- even National Guard helicopters to high-crime areas -- is still very much in the planning stages."

Are WE THE PEOPLE going to "promote" a politician that has no record of accomplishments but a CLEAR record of "failure"???

America''s "deep blue one-party" cities are a disgrace to this great country and the world.

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by realpatriot1 July 17, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
Credibility2,

Obama has never "blustered his way around being associated with lobbyists". What he has done is to commit to not fund his campaign with money from lobbyists and he hasn''t.

That means he owes them nothing once elected.

All lobbyists are not created equal. Fannie and Freddie serve a useful public interest.

Perhaps before McCain supporters cop a high and mighty attitude they should take a closer look at the nature of McCain''s lobbyists connections.

His top aide Charley Black used to lobby for Ferdinand Marcos. Other McCain associates have lobbyied for the Burmese junta which Mrs. McCain has publically and loudly decried. Others have lobbyed for the Jihadist War Crininal regime of Sudan.

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by occams_taser July 17, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
ralph nader was right. it''s one party with two heads.
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by rowdywicca July 17, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:01 PM : Jul 17, 2008

Funny isn''t it...this article left out Pritzker Obama''s whoop la campaign fund raiser, who along with Stearns invtented the damned sub-prime industry!
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by rowdywicca July 17, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
ralph nader was right. it''''s one party with two heads.


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Posted by occams_taser at 12:06 PM : Jul 17, 2008

Perzactly!
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by realpatriot1 July 17, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
RowdyWicca,

Back in your RowdyTexan days when Hillary was your God she was being funded by members of the Pritszker family.

No one invented the sub-prime market and plenty of institutions and investors participated in it. Not all of them failed to disclose the risks to people and it was the Republican White House and Congress that had the oversight responsibility to see that those who would didn''t.
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by rowdywicca July 17, 2008 12:34 PM PDT
RowdyWicca,

Back in your RowdyTexan days when Hillary was your God she was being funded by members of the Pritszker family.

No one invented the sub-prime market and plenty of institutions and investors participated in it. Not all of them failed to disclose the risks to people and it was the Republican White House and Congress that had the oversight responsibility to see that those who would didn''''t.


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Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:25 PM : Jul 17, 2008

No still in the same days where your Obama is a total lying hypocrite! Sorry to burst your little bubble!
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by ariel133 July 17, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
The hypersensitivity coming from Obama and his minions is dangerous. Does anyone who''s half literate not know that the New Yorker, in its singularly liberal way, lampoons everything and everyone? Nothing, especially a flawed individual, is sacred. That''s a good thing.

If Obama''s swooning, humorless supporters continue to force critics to whisper, to shut up or to explain their artistic renderings, our precious gift and right of free expression will diminish if Obama is elected in November.

These people need to know that some of us cherish free expression. They also need to know that if Obama needs to be protected from the satirist''s rapier, he doesn''t deserve to be the president of the United States of America.

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by credibility2 July 17, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
realpatrio11: point missed. Obama has routinely decried involvement with lobbyists and low and behold, he''s just as filthy and just as much a liar about this issue as any other politician. I guess it''s tough to accept the fact that the great Obama lies and fudges. Although, this has been a consistent trait of his throughout his campaign. No politican is above using lobbyists, but to hear Obama bluster about the issue, he''s definitely given the wrong impression that he is a "Mr. Clean". Just accept the fact that this candidate will continue to be scrutinized and revelations will be coming forth. Obama has played everyone as a fool thinking that his past doesn''t matter. If McCain can be scrutinized and criticized, Obama needs to man-up and take it as well.
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by realpatriot1 July 17, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
Ariel133,

I also cherish the right to free speech and I thought you cons were over the top sensitive to the point of borderline insanity over Wesley Clark''s remarks about McCain. After all, being shot down in a plane does not make someone better qualified to lead and that''s a fact.
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by credibility2 July 17, 2008 12:44 PM PDT
The problem with many Obama supporters get hypersensitive and out of control with their frenetic denouncement of anything and everything negative towards their candidate is that many are very young and immature and are only now getting involved in the political process and are clueless about how the game is played. They''re confusing it with time-outs and a Kumbaya sentiment. Even the New Yorker cover might be a tad bit over the top, but it does properly satirize the Obamas. I''m waiting for the denouncement of the recent parody by Jib Jab on how the great Obama was portrayed, including the shot where a helmeted McCain in a tank rolls over him. Ooh, that''s mean and nasty and tantamount to wishing Obama eliminated and annihilated. Or, how about Obama''s romp on a unicorn amidst the Disney-esque forest scene complete with a rainbow? Ooh, that''s mocking him and not nicey-nice.
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by July 17, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
LIES and NO CHANGE is what we can expect. ................................sorry here''''s the FACTS:
"Violent crime in the city of Chicago is out of control," Blagojevich said at the bill signing ceremony. "I''''m offering resources of the state to the city to work in a constructive way with Mayor Daley to do everything we can possibly do to help stop this violence," said the governor.
The summer of 2008 will be remembered as especially violent. Blagojevich said there''''s been a child shot nearly every day since June 26, with 29 Chicago Public School students shot since last fall.
Twenty-eight of those kids are African-American and Latino. Hard to imagine that that would be acceptable if that were, in fact, the case inother parts of the city or in a middle-class suburb somewhere," he said. "Something is wrong, and this violence has to stop."
Bringing in state troopers -- even National Guard helicopters to high-crime areas -- is still very much in the planning stages."
Are WE THE PEOPLE going to "promote" a politician that has no record of accomplishments but a CLEAR record of "failure"???
America''''s "deep blue one-party" cities are a disgrace to this great country and the world.
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Posted by perceptions5

I most assuredly will not support Obama. EXCELLENT POST. Obama is just like GW Bush - he is experienced and has a long list of bad decision making.
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by July 17, 2008 12:47 PM PDT
A Vote for Obama is a vote for a Third Bush term
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by realpatriot1 July 17, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
Credibility2,

What Obama has said all along is that he won''t allow his campaign to be controlled by lobbyists.

His campaign has been funded with over 95% of small donations throughout. No one in the history of politics has won their party nomination without owing lobbists or special interests. He has no favors to repay to any group. That alone makes him unique in American political history and provides him the best opportunity to actually deliver for the public.

He might not deliver, but it won''t be because he didn''t do a better job than anyone else at putting himself into position to do so.
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by ariel133 July 17, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
Real Patriot- And it doesn''t qualitfy a man to lead a country who has only served in the Senate for 2 terms, absent for more than present, and never been to Iraq since the surge, but has plans to change America. I don''t know about you, but I love America, the way it is. The only thing that needs changing is the minds of morons who want a man that isn''t qualified or experianced. MCCain might not have been a great pilot, a great husband, or a great speaker, but HE IS A GREAT LEADER.
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by canyoutellme-2009 July 17, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
Rowdywicca,

Why are you still here talking as if you have any authority whatsoever? You still say that Obama is an Arab and a Muslim and is a terrorist who is funded by Islamic Terrorists.

Shame on you for even existing.

I bet you believe that Michelle Obama is part of the black panthers or that Obama is a close personal friend of Farakkan.
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by canyoutellme-2009 July 17, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
Real Patriot- And it doesn''''t qualitfy a man to lead a country who has only served in the Senate for 2 terms, absent for more than present, and never been to Iraq since the surge, but has plans to change America. I don''''t know about you, but I love America, the way it is. The only thing that needs changing is the minds of morons who want a man that isn''''t qualified or experianced. MCCain might not have been a great pilot, a great husband, or a great speaker, but HE IS A GREAT LEADER.


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Posted by Ariel133 at 12:52 PM : Jul 17, 2008
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Hold up a sec Ariel. You love America the way it is? Really? You love that the entire WORLD hates us? BTW, when the entire WORLD hates us, it makes the value of our dollar SINK. Our dollar is worth HALF what it was 7 years ago. HALF!! THis means the DOW at 11,000 today is equal to about 5500 7 years ago. Uh... if you LIKE that... i guess you''re delusional.

The fact of the matter is, the US is not what it once was... a moral authority to the world. Now, we are looked down upon by virtually every country in the world and our citizens are looked down upon by the same folks. WHY? Because we voted to go ahead with the plundering in Iraq and the senseless deaths of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people in Iraq (innocents) and displacement of 4M people and the destruction of their entire infrastructure.

But hey, you love this country the way it is right now.
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by ariel133 July 17, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
Yes, CANY I do. Why- For one- Those who are self respecting and stand on their own two feet and not care what others think of them, are great people. The problem with some of those in the USA that cause the problems we have is those ( Democrats) who feel that they are owed something. The dollar is bad because people spend more than they can afford. I love America because there are people like MCCAIN and ROMNEY who set food examples for people with whom they should honor and respect.
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by canyoutellme-2009 July 17, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
realpatrio11: point missed. Obama has routinely decried involvement with lobbyists and low and behold, he''''s just as filthy and just as much a liar about this issue as any other politician. I guess it''''s tough to accept the fact that the great Obama lies and fudges. Although, this has been a consistent trait of his throughout his campaign. No politican is above using lobbyists, but to hear Obama bluster about the issue, he''''s definitely given the wrong impression that he is a "Mr. Clean". Just accept the fact that this candidate will continue to be scrutinized and revelations will be coming forth. Obama has played everyone as a fool thinking that his past doesn''''t matter. If McCain can be scrutinized and criticized, Obama needs to man-up and take it as well.


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Posted by Credibility2 at 12:39 PM : Jul 17, 2008
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Credibility (bad name for someone who has NONE)... Obama is not being FUNDED by lobbyists. That''s the point. He may be getting advice from people who were connected to companies that know various industries since he relies on their knowledge and advice, but he is NOT FUNDED BY THEM. Nowhere in this article does it state anything about a lobbyist funding Obama... NOWHERE. ALL of his campaign donors and the amounts funded can be found on the internet. You''ll find that people donate on AVERAGE of 90 bux or so to his campaign. THis is NOT the work of lobbyists.
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by lochlan-2009 July 17, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
The number one issue, that all issues from the past eight years stem from, is corruption in government. It is a subject the media and politicians avoid like the plague, guaranteeing it to remain unchanged and, most likely, get worse.
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by ariel133 July 17, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
Yes, CANY I do. Why- For one- Those who are self respecting and stand on their own two feet and not care what others think of them, are great people. The problem with some of those in the USA that cause the problems we have is those ( Democrats) who feel that they are owed something. The dollar is bad because people spend more than they can afford. I love America because there are people like MCCAIN and ROMNEY who set good examples for people with whom they should learn from, honor and respect. Romney is not asking MCCAIN to help pay his DEBTS, like Clinton, know why?? He is a self respecting person.
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by ariel133 July 17, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
Obama is being funded by lobbyists- that is a fact- you have to be smart enough not to fall for all the lines of BS from the media, guy- geesh. lol
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by realpatriot1 July 17, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
Ariel133,

The dollar is bad becuase of the deficit and the deficit is so bad because the wealthy fel they''re owed something that the rest of us aren''t...a tax break!
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by forthepeopl1 July 17, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
Fannie and Freddie shares have declined by about 80 percent this year. The slump in the two mortgage agencies has sparked a new catchphrase -- ``Too Chinese to Fail'''''''' -- based on the $974 billion of U.S. agency debt held by foreign investors, a fivefold increase since 2003.

Financial markets and U.S. legislators alike have derided U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson''''s plan to bail out the mortgage lenders. One of the two key elements is illogical, while the second is plain outrageous.

Just last week, Fannie Mae said it ``has access to ample sources of liquidity, including access to the debt markets.'''''''' Freddie Mac said it was ``adequately capitalized, highly liquid and an essential part of the nation''''s housing system.'''''''' Either they are being economical with the truth, or the decision to let them borrow from the Federal Reserve''''s discount facility is window-dressing that serves no real purpose.

Defending the Indefensible

Worse is the scheme to allow Paulson to dip into the nation''''s tax revenue to purchase shares in Fannie and Freddie -- shares that investors have already deemed to be almost worthless. If the mortgage lenders can''''t survive in their current form, the government shouldn''''t be defending the indefensible.

In April, Standard & Poor''''s said the risk that the U.S. would have to prop up its so-called Government Sponsored Enterprises posed a bigger threat to the country''''s AAA rating than its willingness to underwrite securities firms.
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by canyoutellme-2009 July 17, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
Yes, CANY I do. Why- For one- Those who are self respecting and stand on their own two feet and not care what others think of them, are great people. The problem with some of those in the USA that cause the problems we have is those ( Democrats) who feel that they are owed something. The dollar is bad because people spend more than they can afford. I love America because there are people like MCCAIN and ROMNEY who set food examples for people with whom they should honor and respect.


Posted by Ariel133 at 01:02 PM : Jul 17, 2008
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oh nooooo you di''int...

#1. I''m a democrat and feel no one owes me a d*mn thing. I make 100K per year and pay a BOATLOAD in taxes and didn''t get a stimulus check. You know, the check that your GOD George Bush said everyone needed. THAT''s an entitlement program that YOUR GOD threw out there.

#2. It takes a village... ever heard that one? For those who cannot take care of themselves, WE, as a SOCIETY have a DUTY to take care of them. If we do not, then you will see massive homelessness, poverty and disease. It is your DUTY to provide care to those who cannot care for themselves. Yes, there are many who game the system, but a vast majority do NOT.

#3. Romney and Mccain? Pillars of honor? are you kidding me? Wow, you''re seriously warped. McCain is an arrogant pri*ck (although he does have SOME good idea). McCain is a complete FAKE. Voted against Veteran funding!! Wow
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by robroydonxlv July 17, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
The dollar is bad because people spend more than they can afford.
Posted by Ariel133 at 01:02 PM : Jul 17, 2008"

Mention no names eh Georgie Bush and who was it that proudly said he agrees with Bush 100% of all the important issues ? oh yeah that would be ole senility McCain - needless to say his entire economic policy reeks of Bush''s policy - ie spend $ trillions that he doesn''t have

Bottom line is theat Freddie Mac anf Fannie Mae should be left to collapse
The fools who bought shares in them will lose and the equally moronic idiots who bought their subprime loans will go belly up
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by jmurrieta1 July 17, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
Yes, but only McCain has Phil Gramm as his economics advisor.

Gramm is an executive of UBS bank.

UBS bank? "UBS is already under investigation by the IRS, the FBI, and the Securities and Exchange Commission, Levin said."

As usual, the Republicans are tied to the crooks stealing our money.

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by canyoutellme-2009 July 17, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
Ariel,

What kind of RESPECT can you give to someone who advocates war repeatedly? McCain JOKES about "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" and other incindiary words against Iran. Do you have ANY idea what war with Iran will do??? ANY?? you RESPECT McCain? I guess you want oil to be 1000/barrell and you want instability in the middle east 100x worse than it is now for eternity. Shame on you.

BTW, how do you feel about your GOD, George Bush, running up our deficit soooooooooooooooooo high that it devalued our dollar in half!? It''s not because citizens spend more than they make... although that goes into PART of why our nation is broke, but the president is spending HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars every quarter more than we take in... and he wants MORE tax cuts!! We''re TRILLIONS in the hole when we were at a surplus right before he took office. TRILLIONS!! Do you understand what that means to your children and your children''s children? SOMEONE has to pay the tab.

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by minuteman-1 July 17, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
SOMEONE has to pay the tab.




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Posted by CANYOUTELLME

You''re right, when terrorists hit both skyscrapers, and downing the towers and caused Billions of dollars of losses to our economy and killed our stock market, somebody has to pay for that, and we have been paying.....your''re right about that, lib
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by robroydonxlv July 17, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
Posted by forthepeopl1 at 01:07 PM : Jul 17, 2008"

Fannie and Freddie should be left to collapse - why should taxpayer funds be used to fund Paulson''s pension fund and the pension funds of his fat cat banker friends

What the country needs is a load of bankers and stockbrokers jumping out of skyscraper windows - they''re nothing but leeches and parasites....their demise will allow the country to set itself right
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by minuteman-1 July 17, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
CANYOUTELLME at 01:08 PM

This is the second day, where you have been boasting about how much money you earned, and didn''t get a stimulus check because you were too rich....too freaking bad Richey Rich, the Bush stimulus checks were for the middle class, not rich folks...sorry
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by robroydonxlv July 17, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
You''''re right, when terrorists hit both skyscrapers, and downing the towers and caused Billions of dollars of losses to our economy and killed our stock market, somebody has to pay for that, and we have been paying.....your''''re right about that, lib

Posted by Minuteman-1 at 01:14 PM : Jul 17, 2008"

your stockmarket must be pretty weak if knowcking over 2 buildings is enough to kill it
Seems like you''re nothing but a country of poncy chicken littles
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by realpatriot1 July 17, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
Ariel,

I love this country the way it is too, but I also love it enough to want to make it better. To not want to solve the problems that the country faces isn''t love, it''s irresponsibilty.

Obama hasn''t been absent more than McCain. Like most conservatives, you don''t realize that a legislator has to be present to vote present. McCain has been missing votes that Obama has been present for all year. 2 years in the Senate is 2 more years in national office than Bush or Eisenhower or Reagan had and you all had no problem with that.

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by ariel133 July 17, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
You Liberals have you head so far up you A-- you can''t see straight!! lol. OMG. Blaming Bush or the USA for acts of terrorism is simply insane. MCCAIN does not advocate endless war only war to secure our country from TERRORISTS. I would much rather have someone who thinks this way than a moron who thinks running from EVIL will stop them...GOD, GROW UP.
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by credibility2 July 17, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
I live in IL and when Obama was a state senator, his voting record was dismal; he refused to vote for the majority of legislation by saying "present" or not showing up; he also accomplished very little and did virtually nothing for the residents of IL. When the U.S. Senate election came around, IL voters had little choice in voting for a worthy candidate; the choices were between goofy Allan Keyes and Barack Obama; the leading Republican candidate bowed out of the race due to a marital scandal.
Obama''s New Hampshire Primary campaign co-chair, Jim Demers, was a lobbyist for the drug companies; when asked about this in an early debate, Obama was too spineless to address this. Michelle Obama was a vice-president at the Univ. of Chicago''s Medical Center "stepped down" in May 2007 but who''s to say that there wasn''t a tie between Michelle, Barack and Demers? Michele was the dutiful wife to disassociate herself from suspicious professional situations that might taint husband Barack''s political future. Here''s the point again and public finance issues aside, Obama can''t talk out of both sides of his mouth. Obama either has to be clean across the board and have nothing to do with lobbyists, even at an arm''s length, including having a personal association, or not, or he''s just as guilty and filthy as those he criticizes.
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by minuteman-1 July 17, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by Ariel133 at 01:02 PM

I agree....I think McCain and Romney would make a good ticket.....who do you think Barrack Ocarter is going to select as his Vice Appeaser ?
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by robroydonxlv July 17, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
Blaming Bush or the USA for acts of terrorism is simply insane. MCCAIN does not advocate endless war only war to secure our country from TERRORISTS. I would much rather have someone who thinks this way than a moron who thinks running from EVIL will stop them...GOD, GROW UP.

Posted by Ariel133 at 01:16 PM : Jul 17, 2008"

Ole Georgie Chimpanzee swore an oath to defend the US - he FAILED to do that and as a result those "terrorists" struck the US - so yes it is far to blame Georgie chimpanzee
And as for Johnny of the 100 years war.....well lil mermaid if you''re so sure that he isn''t advocating a 100 year war, how ''bouts YOU enlist in the military.....after all you claim to love your beloved ''murrkkka and claim you want to secure it from those "terrorists"
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by minuteman-1 July 17, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
RobRoydonxlv at 01:16 PM

Hey, robroy, nelson, vortex, you''re back.....if you had a bit of intelligence....say .00000000001% I.Q. you would have know that not only 2 buildings fell on 9/11, 6 or more were destroyed......how''s socialist Scotland, still a cra-ppy island ? or nice and green?
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by credibility2 July 17, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
I live in IL and when Obama was a state senator, his voting record was dismal; he refused to vote for the majority of legislation by saying "present" or not showing up; he also accomplished very little and did virtually nothing for the residents of IL. When the U.S. Senate election came around, IL voters had little choice in voting for a worthy candidate; the choices were between goofy Allan Keyes and Barack Obama; the leading Republican candidate bowed out of the race due to a marital scandal.
Obama''s New Hampshire Primary campaign co-chair, Jim Demers, was a lobbyist for the drug companies; when asked about this in an early debate, Obama was too spineless to address this. Michelle Obama was a vice-president at the Univ. of Chicago''s Medical Center "stepped down" in May 2007 but who''s to say that there wasn''t a tie between Michelle, Barack and Demers? Michele was the dutiful wife to disassociate herself from suspicious professional situations that might taint husband Barack''s political future. Here''s the point again and public finance issues aside, Obama can''t talk out of both sides of his mouth. Obama either has to be clean across the board and have nothing to do with lobbyists, even at an arm''s length, including having a personal association, or not, or he''s just as guilty and filthy as those he criticizes.
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by minuteman-1 July 17, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
RobRoydonxlv

Hey I had a little vacation in tiny state of Rhode Island, which is bigger than you''re whole country !!!
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by July 17, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
well lil mermaid if you''''re so sure that he isn''''t advocating a 100 year war, how ''''bouts YOU enlist in the military.....after all you claim to love your beloved ''''murrkkka and claim you want to secure it from those "terrorists"
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Posted by RobRoydonxlv

This statement about enlisting really burns me because the Military supports American Ideals and not just a politician or political party. Lame correlation.
It is like saying - if you want to elect a Democrat as president, then you can pay the extra taxes. Pure BS
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by robroydonxlv July 17, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
Hey I had a little vacation in tiny state of Rhode Island, which is bigger than you''''re whole country !!!


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Posted by Minuteman-1 at 01:25 PM : Jul 17, 2008"

Can''t be that little if it was big enough to accomodate you and your fat yellow belly
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by questionnews July 17, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
I love all this "If my guy does it it''s a good thing, but if the other guy does the exact same thing, it''s corruption!"

Dems & Repubs calling each other hypocrites is just hilarious considering the amount of contradictions coming from both camps.

If there were never another Democrat or Republican elected to any office, the US would be a far better place. Niether party has any real concern for the nation, they only care about pushing the party agenda. Independents need to get better organized.
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by minuteman-1 July 17, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
your fat yellow belly



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Posted by RobRoydonxlv at 01:27 PM

whats wrong, no food on the farm today ? I know there is some deep seeded hatred for people that actually get nutrition in America
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by canyoutellme-2009 July 17, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
This is the second day, where you have been boasting about how much money you earned, and didn''''t get a stimulus check because you were too rich....too freaking bad Richey Rich, the Bush stimulus checks were for the middle class, not rich folks...sorry


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Posted by Minuteman-1 at 01:15 PM : Jul 17, 2008
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I didn''t boast about anything.. just pointing out that i''m a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT who doesn''t expect anything from anyone because i made something out of myself...

BTW, i live in the SF Bay Area (you know, the area where your GODs O''Reilly and a few other CONs said should be blown up by a Nuclear bomb... destroying the lives of tens of millions of people), and 100K does not go very far here. So, no, i''m not richy rich. BUT, i didn''t agree with the gov''t handout of those stimulus checks yet you republiCONs who say DEMs are out of whack for handing out $$, you CONS sure do seem to be hypocrites.

BTW, i''d rather be a TAX AND SPEND liberal than a TAX AND BORROW AND SPEND "Conservative".

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