Barack Eisenhower Vs. John McNixon

The Nation: One Proposes To Be A Leader, The Other Proposes To Be A Manager Of Misery

(The Nation)  This column was written by John Nichols.

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Barack Obama has begun, finally and reasonably firmly, to clarify his stance regarding the scope and character of the ongoing U.S. role in Iraq. In so doing, the senator from Illinois has imposed clarity on a race for the presidency that, while it certainly is not a single-issue contest, will always at its most fundamental level be about the question of whether America is going to elect a president who plans to end the war or who intends to manage it.

The presumptive Democratic nominee for president says that on his first day in office he will begin the process of extracting U.S. troops from Iraq so that they -- and the United States -- can get serious about combating terrorism.

Noting Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's request for a withdrawal timetable, Obama explained in a much-anticipated speech Tuesday that "now is the time for a responsible redeployment of our combat troops that pushes Iraq's leaders toward a political solution, rebuilds our military, and refocuses on Afghanistan and our broader security interests."

Of course, the presumptive Republican nominee for president cut Obama no slack. Unlike his rival, John McCain says -- with an odd combination of bluster and vagueness -- that he's against an exit strategy because, "I know how to win wars."

The difference between Obama and McCain, we are told, comes down to this:

The Democrat who would be president has set a serious strategy for bringing the war (or "police action" or "occupation" or "major presence" or whatever you want to call it) in Iraq to a relatively rapid conclusion, even if that conclusion is imperfect and open to criticism. That strategy is flexible -- perhaps more flexible than some of the candidate's more ardent supporters would like -- but it is real and it is likely to be implemented along a schedule that would begin with his inauguration on January 20, 2009.

The Republican who would be president absolutely rejects any strategy that is defined by the American people or their representatives in Washington for bringing the war (or "police action" or "occupation" or "major presence" or whatever you want to call it) to the conclusion that Obama proposes. Only "events on the ground" in a country that - despite McCain's hysterically-inflated fantasies about the "success" of his beloved "surge" -- has seen little progress toward the sort of long-term political, ethnic and social stability that might make for an easy exit will determine McCain's schedule.

This distinction is best understood as a clash between the approaches of two presidents who inherited unpopular wars.

Obama is an Eisenhower man. Dwight Eisenhower, who had served as Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe during World War II, campaigned for president in 1952, when the United States was mired in the quagmire that was the Korean War. Ike's promise during that campaign was to "go to Korea" and end the war. Upon his election, that is what he did.

McCain is a Nixon man. Richard Nixon, who had served as a supply clerk and enjoyed some success as a poker player during World War II, campaigned for president in 1968, when the United States was mired in the quagmire that was the Vietnam War. Tricky Dick refused to be pinned down regarding timelines or strategies for addressing the mess in Vietnam, suggesting simply that "new leadership will end the war and win the peace in the Pacific." So vague was Nixon that his Democratic opponent in the race, Hubert Humphrey, suggested that the Republican must have a "secret plan" regarding the war. As it turned out, Nixon's plan was to keep the war going. Unlike Eisenhower, who stopped the killing, Nixon, guided by "events on the ground," illegally expanded the undeclared war from Vietnam into Cambodia and Laos. Tens of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of southeast Asians died before the fighting finally wound down a half decade after the Republican's election.

Non-defensive wars end not when circumstances "on the ground" in distant lands dictate but when presidents who choose to be leaders rather than managers of misery decide to end them.

Barack Obama, like Dwight Eisenhower, proposes to be a leader.

John McCain, like Richard Nixon, proposes to be a manager of misery -- and the American decline that will hasten with each passing year of the quagmire in Iraq.

[joyous88]

the only thing we really need to worry about is the one that act like McBushSame

lets not vote for McSAME

[akhajawall]

Dear American Citizens and the Press

As a concerned citizen, I consider it is my duty to bring following message to you all.

"We the citizens of the United States of America have the ultimate responsibility to elect the " Right Candidate" to lead our nation, out of our huge present and future internal and external challenges as well as opportunities. This is to prevent depression and isolation in-spite of being the only superpower in the world morally, democratically, economically, and militarily.


In my personal and professional opinion the critical considerations are as under:


1. Calm, cool, and collected " temper " [ Presidential Temperament ].
2. Sound and sustained "Judgment and Caliber".
3. "Thought-fullness and togetherness" of purpose and positions.
4. Minimum "ex-poser and exploitation" around "Washington and Washington insiders".
5. Renewed " Vigor and Vision " for our Greatgrand Nation.
6. Foreign policy based on " American Values, Virtuous, Vastness".

Stay informed, stay involved, and stay engaged. Do not allow some partisan media, pundits, pollsters, and perpetual political opinion makers effect your vote in the wrong direction.

Don''t be effected and duped by "Psychological Terrorism" that is afflicted upon you all the time.

Long live U.S.A and its diverse but democratic people.

Col. A.M. Khajawall [Ret]

[joyous88]

than perhaps you can explain how we got a mindless
automoton like GW Bush as president?

and we may get another criminal in the form of McBushCain?

Americans are not smart enough to vote in their own self interest,

greed driven conservatives may hold power once again

[zoopster1]

OK Nichols, we get it. We get that you''re personally opposed to the Iraq war. You write about that at least once a week. We get that you would rather the sanctions were still on, and Saddam was still in power. You never miss an opportunity to tell people how much you hate the war, hate Bush, hate Republicans, and hate anyone who is seen as an apologist for any of the above. We get all of it.

Please write about something new now?

[zoopster1]

Americans are not smart enough to vote in their own self interest

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Posted by joyous88

I see. So I guess you''re going to suggest next that only "smart" people such as yourself should be allowed to vote? That "stupid" people should not have a say?

Welcome to the new Stalinism. Long live the Revolution!

[johnpatrick9]

I''ll take Ike over the warmonger be it NIXON OR MCSAME anyday....this absurdity must stop....tooo many dead and tooo many maimed and all for naught. Drive out the knuckleheads and the would be knuckleheads...VOTE FOR EISENHOWER!!!

[zoopster1]

Ah ha. So basically anyone that is in favor of waging war, whether it''s in the cause of defense or not, is a "warmonger". What you''re saying is, you are opposed to any war, anywhere, for any reason?

Good luck on your election campaign.

[wogerwabbit]

Ah ha. So basically anyone that is in favor of waging war, whether it''''s in the cause of defense or not, is a "warmonger". What you''''re saying is, you are opposed to any war, anywhere, for any reason?

Good luck on your election campaign.

Posted by zoopster1 at 01:56 PM

No, that''s not what was said. A war of defense is not warmongering... it is our holy duty. Invading a de-balled country like Iraq under false pretenses is warmongering... there''s a big difference.

[noloyalisti]

I am generally not in favor of war because it solves nothing as both Afghanistan and Iraq have proven yet again (we obviously did not learn from out immoral fiasco in Vietnam).

I am totally in favor of war for defense which is why I think the Iraqis are freedom fighter, not insurgents as the fascist press calls them, even now. I am even more in favor of revolutionary wars to overthrow oppressive governments. Especially when they are owned by corporations and are starting imperial wars to steal resources and are eroding civil and human rights.

[elevando]

Obambi is not Eisenhower. Obambi has no foreign policy experience.

His original plan was to pull the troops out of Iraq in March of 2007. That would have esculated the violence in and sectarian violence in Iraq and we would be dealing with a genocide situation today.

OK, Obambi, listen, if you want to be president, just repeat what McCain says, and claim it as your own. America likes your presentation style and that should be enough to get you elected, over what many perceive to be an old man. Even the baby boomers can''t forgive themselves for getting older, so play to the guilt, and keep preaching change.

Everything aside, I believe McCain would be better for our contry''s economy, and would over all be a better president. McCain would cut government spending, and that is what is needed most to revive our faultering dollar, and our diminished economic position on the world stage.

[burfnyc]

It''s really sad, that so many on the GOP side, don''t have an open enough mind, to ever actually listen to anything Sen Obama says.
If they''d actually listen to what he said, yesterday, about Iraq, Afghanistan, and on a broader scale, where he wants to take our Foreign Policy, many people''s eyes would open.
I challenge anyone who''s attacking Obama, to listen to his speech, and then explain where Obama has it wrong.

[benighse]

OBAMA WILL WORK FOR PEACE....MCCAIN WILL STICK WITH WAR....MY CHOICE IS TO PUT OBAMA TO WORK FOR AMERICA.

[zoopster1]

I don''t think you will find a sane person out there who "likes" war. Even the greediest most heartless profiteer would prefer peace, especially if his own life is at stake. I don''t like war either. But I believe that if we engage in war, we should play to end it as quick as we can.

Afghanistan was the host nation of those who attacked us on 9/11. Their sovereignty was forfeit as a result. Not as any kind of "message" to future wannabe terrorists; fanatics like that don''t pay attention to "messages". Terrorists should simply be exterminated like the vermin they are. No negotiations, no apologies.

Iraq threatened our energy supply, our allies, and our economy back in 1990. That situation was never satisfactorily addressed, until Saddam''s government was dismantled. I don''t believe in building a fence around a problem in that part of the world, because they have something we cannot do without. They can afford to wait US out. Sanctions will never work there.

Therefore I believe both wars were justified, regardless of how incompetently they were/are being carried out.

[johnny1285]

"Ike''s promise during that campaign was to "go to Korea" and end the war. Upon his election, that is what he did."

HUH!?!? THE KOREAN WAR IS STILL GOING ON CURRENTLY... IT MIGHT NOT BE A HOT WARZONE, BUT TODAY WE INHERITED A PROBLEM FROM EISENHOWER''S ACTIONS IN THIS REGARD.

;)

[zoopster1]

OBAMA WILL WORK FOR PEACE....MCCAIN WILL STICK WITH WAR....MY CHOICE IS TO PUT OBAMA TO WORK FOR AMERICA.


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Posted by benighse


That''s your right, but peace is a 2-way street. You can visualize peace all you want, but that won''t stop religious fanatics from flying a plane into your office building.

My main concern is who has a sensible plan for dealing with those fanatics, now that they have demonstrated that they can get to us over here. If negotiation had a chance in #### of succeeding I''d be all for it. But that is unlikely. So we therefore must resort to plan B: wipe them out wherever they breed.

[greeneyes222]

This article may wash with those not old enough to remember Eisenhower and Nixon. But for those who do, it''s pretty far out there ...

[citizenusa-2009]

Bravo! The best and most accurate aricle yet. Keep telling it like it is Mr. Nicols. It is NOT falling on deaf ears THIS TIME. I believe after the horrible consequences we experienced after electing Nixon and Bush, hopefully, after a bloody 7 years with the economy in the trash can (like the businesses Bush bankrupted before he took office) we''ve learned SOMETHING!!!

[scottyusa]

I must disagree with the article''s author. He is saying that, in all his wisdom, Obama was right after all about his withdrawal plans. A lucky streak for him that, given enough time, we have turned things around considerably enough where Iraq wants a time table. Obama showed no leadership whatsoever calling for an immediate pull out before the surge even started. The author makes it sound like he called the right shot all along when, in fact, we would be in dire straights right now if we listened to him. Now again, he is making rash decisions before he even gets to Iraq or talks to our generals. This is not leadership, it is politics. Stinky politic and a stinky article to boot! The only politician that is worse is Reid. According to him we lost the war 2 years ago.

[noloyalisti]

McSame has no foreign policy experience. He certainly is worse than McBush in economic matter if you can even imagine that level of incompetence.

I think Obama is wise enough to not let those that want to kill us fly airplanes into buildings like Shrub did. I think he is also wise enough to recognize that we need to change direction so that all of our enemies and many of our friends don''t want to wipe out Americans where they breed.

[irliberal]

The Nation got this spot on. Thanks!!

Republicans: The party that wouldn''t even exist at all anymore except for their platform of hating gay people and anyone who doesn''t subscribe to their particular brand of religion. These days, being a "conservative" has nothing to do with being conservative fiscally, it just means you hate minorities, love war, fetuses (until they are born) and have no sense of fiscal responsibility whatsoever. The last eight years have proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Over SIX years of war. Civil rights breached by our commander in chief. Internationally recognized torture sanctioned by the White House. Two invaded and currently occupied countries. Hundreds of thousands dead, including OVER 4500 American soldiers. Billions of our tax dollars spent, and yes, are still being spent to this very moment.

Iraq, which had NOTHING to do with 9/11, is now an occupied country which will implode when we get out of it, whether that happens one, two, ten or five hundred years from now. A society that CHOOSES to be ruled by religion cannot become a democracy; it can only be a theocracy with voting cards.

Bin Laden still lives. The mastermind of 9/11 still walks free.

The one, simple word for this is: failure. No amount of deception, indignation or wailing by republicons can change these facts.

Failure of Bush. Failure of Cheney. Failure of the republicans.

Time for a change.

[zoopster1]

IRLiberal, you just described what most of refer to as "war". War was declared on us, 5 years before Bush''s inauguration, by the very terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. Muslim terrorists attacked US targets over 20 years before Bush''s inauguration. Yet look what good ignoring it did for us.

Hundreds of thousands dead? You ain''t seen nothing pal. Most of those dead (in Iraq) are known to have been killed NOT by US forces, but by their own countrymen. Just wait until WE really get started. 4500 American dead over 5 years may also sound like a terrible tragedy, and I lament every one of those brave kids. Lest we forget that we lost that many in 5 HOURS on D-Day, and in ONE HOUR at Antietam, we must conclude that we have improved our efficiency by quite a bit. But NO war, no matter how cleanly or efficiently fought, can be done on the cheap.

The fact is we''re fighting vicious, savage enemies. They are not the kind to throw down their guns and run away. They will shoot back. They will try to inflict as much hurt as they can, by any means possible. When that happens, people will die. That is war. We can either face that reality and deal with it decisively, or we can all convert to Islam, renounce Israel, and start living in caves. I have already chosen the former. If you prefer the latter, why are you still here?

[sharncedar]

Eisenhower - a life of sober, humble service in the military culminating in the leadership of the WWII war effort in Europe, in which his humble, quiet, effective leadership while managing in detail the most complex operations in history won freedom for the whole earth. One of the greatest men of solid accomplishment who has ever lived.

Barack Obama - a few years of self-serving career moves and pandering to Chicago voters, with a record in a local legislature of mostly voting "present" on any controversial issue which might hurt his reputation or slimy calculated political career. No experience managing anything, ever, No humility, no service to anyone or anything but his own pandering self, no record of success, any success, in anything except selfish little career moves amid local elections.


Yeah right, Barack the phony is just like Eisnehower. And the pimple on my buttt is Mount Everest. Liberal media are idiots.

[sunshinegal7]

Anyone who suggests that there are ANY Similarities between Barack Obama and Dwight Eisenhower ( other than gender, and US Citizenship), needs to have their head examined AND go read history-- or better yet- talk to someone who knew Eisenhower. This article is a waste of words, a waste of internet space, and a waste of time.

[ubrew12]

zoopster1 said: "The fact is we''re fighting vicious, savage enemies. "

Oh pulleeeze! If we were fighting the vicious, savage enemies you speak of, we''d be in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia right now as we speak. Most of those we''ve killed in Iraq are, by contrast, women and children, who had nothing whatsoever to do with 9-11. Killing a half-million innocents doesn''t serve as payback for our 3000 dead on 9-11. Instead, it creates an entire generation of enemies who may hatch WORSE on our shores at some time in the future.

It does, however, free up Iraqi oil to be exploited in no-bid contracts by Bush''s texas oil friends (check out how well Ray Hunt has done by all this death).

You''re a neocon fool. You swallowed that ''end-days'' bvllsh*t whole cloth.

[flreason]

"The author makes it sound like he called the right shot all along when, in fact, we would be in dire straights right now if we listened to him."
Posted by scottyusa

Actually, if we had listened to Obama we would never have gotten involved in a war in Iraq. Most Americans now agree that our involvement there was a mistake and was based on intelligence that government sources now admit was questionable at best, and criminally misrepresented at worst. It''s hard to argue that McCain''s experience translated to better decisionmaking, or that his saber-rattling bravado would make a better outcome than Obama''s pragmatic plans for withdrawal. You also need to consider that Obama''s plan isn''t something that he decided without counsel from experts. He has a team of military and security advisors who have helped formulate his plan for withdrawal.

One of his advisors, retired Airforce General McPeak, had this to say:

"I think Obama is going to be an outstanding commander in chief, not just an ordinary commander in chief," he told The Washington Times. "He has the potential to be one of the all-time greats. I think the senior military will learn that about him starting from the first minute he occupies the Oval Office."

[cofmanaaron]

Sharn Cedar said:
"Barack Obama - a few years of self-serving career moves and pandering to Chicago voters, with a record in a local legislature of mostly voting "present" on any controversial issue which might hurt his reputation or slimy calculated political career. No experience managing anything, ever, No humility, no service to anyone or anything but his own pandering self, no record of success, any success, in anything except selfish little career moves amid local elections."

Whoa now, I know you''ve got all these notions that Rush and the conservative spin machine have put in your head, but the above completely discounts the good work he has done helping people at the bottom (in Chicago). Of course, I''m sure helping the poor and needy is of no concern to you, as you are another Republican elitist, who wants perpetual war in the middle east to kill some more Arabs, whether or not they were involved with attacking america. To hell with Americans right? Who wants to help people in our country when we can be at war with brown people! The Republican philosophy. That is why you don''t want to end the war. Besides, a lot of those people getting really s*rewed are just more darkies to you right? Like those people Obama didn''t serve and didn''t succeed with, because they''re not really people unless they''ve got over 50 grand a year and white skin right?

[blitzder]

"The fact is we''''re fighting vicious, savage enemies. They are not the kind to throw down their guns and run away. They will shoot back. They will try to inflict as much hurt as they can, by any means possible." Posted by zoopster1 at 06:32 PM : Jul 16, 2008

Yeah right!. The US military with its cold war build up of massive Aircraft Carriers/Battleships/B2-bombers/High tech satellite driven Weaponry etc..attacks a country with no Air-force, no Navy, a rag tag military with IED''s mounted on mules. A country crippled with 10 years of UN sanctions, with food thru the UN oil for food program. On top of that The UK and the US were enforcing no fly zones for 10 years.

How low can the US stoop to ...????? Its small wonder America is the most despised nation on earth.

[gunfighter51]

How stupid can you be!

According to the left, we were losing to this rag tag group of warriors.

The limp lefties, could''nt even win a war against the climate.

[jsl45]

Just what we need McBush, more of the same bullsh*t

[jackp32]

Unfortunately, McCain is the Bob Dole of our time.

[pdchapin]

According to the left, we were losing to this rag tag group of warriors.

Posted by Gunfighter51 at 05:35 AM : Jul 17, 2008

No, the left is saying we can''t win, which is different than losing. The claim, which can be debated, is that the rag-tag warrior can keep us from ever having a clean win. When things are going well for us, they simply fade into the background. When we pull back they come out again.

The problem is the administration defined military success in terms that the military can''t deliver, namely the political success of the new Iraq government. The military can kill people and blow up things, they can''t change people''s political orientation. Unless, of course, you want to go to the culture destroying level of WWII.

If we leave Iraq one of two things will happen. The current government will hold in which case we''ve won. Or it collapses and is replace by a government we don''t like. If it is, we remove it and do the cycle over again. We''re really good at removing governments; it''s insurgents that are the problem. If the casualties involved in removing Saddam are any indication, we could have removed something like 15 Iraq governments for what we''ve spent trying to fight insurgents. I suspect that after a couple of cycles, the Iraqis would decide that a government than didn''t annoy the US would be a good idea.

[rktsci3127]

EEees, you compare a do nothing, done nothing lawyer to Eisenhower? I think Ike would roll over laughing! You want to compare Obama to someone, introduce his previous twin...Jimmy Carter.

[wisepeace]

They are both very, very presumptive when they propose continued war anywhere in the world when we want our people home and we want the basics straightened out here. There is very little doubt that people around the world would be better to handle their own problems and we should be handling ours. Stop the wars and divisions in the name of human sanity and on the behalf of our young men and women.

[aldon61]

This was good commentary and a very apt comparison; we need more presidents like "Ike". I still have my campaign pins from 1952; "I Like Ike" was spoken by virtually everyone. I never understood why he picked Tricky Dicky for his running mate; too bad some of Ike didn''t rub off on Nixon.

[cfin5]

What a joke this is. It''s gonna take plenty more words of sleuth to get us Americans to even compare Barak Obama with Dwight Eisenhower. Not even a nice try.

[joyous88]

we have lost this war,

we have lost the war in afganistan,

and we will eventually become aware that we have lost the war on terror,

because we have had no responsible, honest leadership in the military for the last eight years,

the civilians running our military were all draft dodgers during the last REAL war,

the one in vietnam, which ,by the way, they helped create