CARSON CITY, Nev., July 12, 2008
Nevada ACLU Backs Gun Rights
Bucks National Organization In Supporting Recent Court Ruling On Right To Own Handguns
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The state board of directors reached the decision following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment protects the rights of individuals to own handguns.
"The Nevada ACLU respects the individual's right to bear arms subject to constitutionally permissible regulations," a statement on the organization's Web site said. "The ACLU of Nevada will defend this right as it defends other constitutional rights."
"This was the consensus," said Allen Lichtenstein, general counsel for ACLU of Nevada. "There really wasn't a lot of dissent."
Gary Peck, executive director of the ACLU of Nevada, said an individual's right to bear arms is in the Nevada Constitution, reflecting the state's "long, proud tradition of libertarian skepticism of government overreach."
The national ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court ruling and sees the Second Amendment as a collective right to own guns and not an individual one.
A national ACLU spokeswoman said affiliates are free to take positions that differ from those of the national office. The spokeswoman added she was unaware of any other affiliate that had taken a differing position on the Second Amendment.
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See all 78 CommentsIn the past the organization has failed America and has lost credibility by fighting only for liberal positions.
In the past the organization has failed America and has lost credibility by fighting only for liberal positions.
Posted by cbsblogger at 11:16 AM : Jul 12, 2008--- They have done some good things in the past, but it never gets any press. So far this is tops them stepping up for letting us be AMERICANS,.....COOL!
Huh? The ACLU has always grasped that and taken positions and causes regardless of ideology or popularity with any group. They are a great asset to America, probably essential.
Posted by andor3 at 01:16 PM : Jul 12, 2008"
HUH? Are you deaf and blind? You EVER look at what the ACLU actually DOES?
Obviously NOT!!
They are a Leftist front organization, pure and simple, backed by Socialist George Soros.
Obviously NOT!!
They are a Leftist front organization, pure and simple, backed by Socialist George Soros.
Posted by DemWatcher at 01:45 PM : Jul 12, 2008
If you mean they defend american rights and some rich folks that are also interested in defending american rights are involved, I''d say you''re right.
Right, left who cares? They''re the only ones challenging the traitorous fascists that are trying to take away our freedoms.
I was taught that the Bill of Rights were all individual rights. Does this mean that freedom of speech is a collective right also?
Right, left who cares? They''''re the only ones challenging the traitorous fascists that are trying to take away our freedoms.
Posted by komoncents at 02:32 PM : Jul 12, 2008
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what facist took away which freedom..stick to the article here..the only facists here are the liberal ACLU who took away my rights to bear arms..
As you may know only 5 of 9 judges voted for the 2nd as an indivigual right. The other judges believed that other rights are also collective. I recall they mentioned the right to assemble and the right to petition the government.
So yes when 4 of 9 believe that at least several rights are collective, a change of one judge on the court could bring in a new era of what the bill of rights means.
Now I don''t personally own a weapon, but I certainly don''t want this amendment changed. About time the ACLU started to lived up to its name instead of trying to destroy The US.
Hoo, boy - komoncents needs to put the aluminum foil hat back on his head... Looks like the aliens are breaking thru again...
While some may advocate many of the dispicable positions the ACLU takes, many others feel they are responsible for destroying the fabric of American society .. and helping this society to become the heartless, irresponsible, criminalistic world we have today ..
You can certainly be proud that your able to type your thoughts on a message board .. but name calling and thoughtless drival is not necessary .. it really shows how immature and young you are ...
I too am surprised about the Nevada chapters position ... lets see if they maintain it ...
As Americans, we can agree to disagree ...
Your wonderful ACLU has alienated themselves from the majority in this country by consistently taking sides against Cristian families and their values over the last two decades. Your beloved ACLU has been hijacked by liberal dogs and is on their way out. GOOD RIDDANCE.
Dont pollute a perfectly good door by letting it hit the the ACLU in their behinds on the way out!!
Oh, PA-Leeze! What a total moronic statement. Even if you accept the fact that this liberally bias organization is there to protect our individual rights, that certainly doesn''t make you ''unamerican'' for not liking their intrepretations of the Constitution.
AND, if you were to look at wikipedia, you''d see they are FAR from perfect in their attempts to do their stated goal.
"In the year of its birth the ACLU was formed to protect aliens threatened with deportation, along with U.S. nationals threatened with criminal charges by U.S. Attorney General Alexander Mitchell Palmer for their communist or socialist activities and agendas[11] (see Palmer Raids). It also opposed attacks on the rights of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) and other labor unions to meet and organize.
"In 1940, the ACLU formally barred communists from leadership or staff positions, and would take the position that it did not want communists as members either.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government." -- Thomas Jefferson
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." Thomas Jefferson
"Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither". Ben Franklin (paraphrased)
"I would rather die with the constitution clinched in my fist, then live with shackles on my feet" Greywolf
"Arms are the only true badges of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave."
"The unarmed man is not just defenseless, he is also contemptible." Machiavelli
"Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen." Jeff Cooper,
The Art of The Rifle
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin.
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams.
%u201CUnfortunately, nothing will preserve [liberty] but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.%u201D Patrick Henry
Same with the ACLU. They have to make a few more hundred sensible decsiions like this before they get pulled off the "Americas Most Hated Group" list.
Same with the ACLU. They have to make a few more hundred sensible decsiions like this before they get pulled off the "Americas Most Hated Group" list.
Posted by jackie0428 at 06:00 PM : Jul 12, 2008--- I know full well what your saying. One thing I''ve learned to always try to do (not easy) is to give credit where credit is due. Eat the grass, but leave the briers alone so to speak. I have really been hoping Americans would take off their democrat or republican hats for a minute before this election and consider our ways,....the ways how we let our public servants get away with unconstitutional things more and more every year. For me, I was born an American and that''s the way I will live, work, raise better Americans than myself. Our family history supported the democrats for years and years until they left us for socialism. Most now are independents doing their best to pick and choose the best American they can. They don''t see this in McCain and especially Barak Obama. I tried as hard as my simple thinking apparatus could think to help Ron Paul. Though I''m sorry he had to bow, I and like minders will continue to promote our "FAIREST IN THE WORLD" Constitution and Bill of Rights. And I''m very happy to do this, to fight within its bounds. It''s safe there for all.
In states where a large number of residents have knowledge of, training in, or safe usage of firearms, the rules could and probably should be different!
States reserve the right to regulate and make laws pertaining to their own unique situations. Nevada, as a western state, where a firearm is often used as a tool to hunt, or shoot a snake should set gun laws appropriate to it.
If someday freer gun laws become a problem, they can be adjusted to reflect the reality that exists.
If you want to defend the original Constitution and the inalienable rights under God which it recognized, donate to the ACLJ, The American Center for Law & Justice.
Posted by caliengineer at 08:21 PM : Jul 12, 2008---- Those guys are the "sharpest knife in the drawer" I''ve ever heard on the radio. Jay Sekulow is like walking talking Constitution, the REAL kind of living and breathing document. When he and his lawyers go into court for your rights,....they kick canassticators.....(www.aclj.org)
I am sure California ACLU does disagrteee, but look at the crime rates in Nevada compared to California.
The USA and ACLU are here to stay. The Conservative wing is flying south for a very long winter however.
The USA is a "liberal country"??? Are you serious?
Let''s see:
The GOP has wone 7 of the last 10 elections. Yeah, gee we DO sound so liberal there, eh?
The GOP has won 75% of the states in the electoral college over the last 30 years. Yep, again, we sound soooooooo liberal.
I''m not sure which USA you''re living in, but you need to step out of your hermetically sealed basement in Berkeley and read some news. You are clueless.
I wouldn''t wish for anyone to have to kill another person, but some idiots in society make i necessary. I have oly shot one person who thought he was so bad no one would dare shoot him. He was wrong. He thought being a crypt gave him superman powers. I am sure he died in prison.
I was backing Ron Paul until he dropped, now i am looking towards Barr. I am hoping he comes out of nowhere and pulls an upset.
Wm Rawle circa 1825 called 2ndA''s individual clause a COROLLARY to the militia clause.
Webster''s 1828 dictionary defines corollary as a ''consequent'', ''conclusion'', or ''inference'' from something preceding..
Scalia ruled the individual clause was the ''operative clause'' and that it codified a ''pre-existing right''.
Wm Rawle contradicts Scalia, since Rawle contended the individual clause was a CONSEQUENT to the militia clause - thus rkba could NOT have been ''pre-existing''.
Can a consequent precede what came before it? That is what the supreme court5 would have us believe.
webster''s 1828 dictionary: COROLLARY:.. A conclusion or CONSEQUENCE drawn from premises, or from what is advanced or demonstrated. .. an INFERENCE from a preceding proposition.
SCt cited: In 1825, Wm Rawle.. published an influential treatise..: "The first [principle] is a declaration that a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state; a proposition from which few will dissent. . . ."The corollary, from the first position is, that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Supreme Court also misinterpreted Rawle elsewhere in their ruling. Wm Rawle wrote ''A Constitutional View of the US'', circa 1825, & is a true constitutional scholar, not a revisionist rightwing historian.
You left out the fact that most gus used to commit crimes in the big cities were used by people who had them illegally. Your average citizen who owns a gun doe not go out committing crimes.
You seem to be knowledgeable about law, can you tell me Nevada''s stance on assault weapons. I have been loking for it but haven''t found. The cable service here is minimal at best.
Posted by tootall10142 at 07:32 AM : Jul 13, 2008---- Glad your 2nd.AR kept you safe. My brother is a Sheriffs Deputy and some of the stories he tells are wild. He was hauling a head to jail one day and the whole time this dude was in the back he kept accusing him of not being a "real" deputy because his cruiser was a Chevy Lumina instead of a Caprice. The more he talked the more he convinced himself in his own meth fantasy. You got to know my brother on this one for the humor, he went along with the mans fantasy by giving him a ghoulish look in the rear view mirror and said,...."That''s right, I''m not.---- We still have a good laugh recalling the flipped out screaming for dear life that followed all the way to the poky. The select bumper stickers behind my brothers seat for his passengers reading enjoyment didn''t hurt either.....With dudes out and about like that, I''m not giving up my guns to nobody. I''ll do prison by twelve easier than the grave by six.
I have been a gun owner all my life, never lost a weapon or even know any responsible gun owner who has.
My point is i have been in Los Angeles and i have been in Las Vegas. I always felt safer in Vegas. I even worked in the hood regularly and never had a problem in Vegas.
Another point . When i lived in Vegas a lot of the crimes committed were by gang members from California.
I agree. I am willing to abide by the laws set up , but i will never surrender my weapons.
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Now that''s funny!!! LOL!!!
The regulations are the sore point because the Constitutional right was already obvious. The goal of regulation is to be sure that only the right people have the right to caary and defend themselves. Everyone else is to be regulated out of the right. OH, the "right people" are only the politicians and their buddies. A small group indeed will be able to keep their defenses. The rest of us will live under the point of a gun as part of the police state ideals that we are being conditioned to accept.
In all I suggest the good folks of Nevada (actually really good people by the way) should still keep an ey on the ACLU and their sponsors.
Posted by cfin5
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Now that''''s funny!!! LOL!!!
Posted by Latrocinor at 10:18 AM : Jul 13, 2008--- Oh was it ever,...sadly though. I can''t help to think that if this man had so much as a smidgen of his desire to live when sober as he did when lit, he would never do drugs or hang around with those that do.
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