Senate Passes Eavesdropping Bill

Bill Grants Immunity To Phone Companies That Listened In On Americans

(AP)  The Senate sent the White House a bill overhauling bitterly disputed rules on secret U.S. government eavesdropping Wednesday, bowing to President George W. Bush's demand to shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits complaining they helped the U.S. spy on Americans.

The relatively one-sided vote, 69-28, came only after a lengthy and heated debate that pitted privacy and civil liberties concerns against the desire to prevent terrorist attacks. It ended almost a year of wrangling in the Democratic-led Congress over surveillance rules and the president's warrantless wiretapping program that was initiated after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The House of Representatives passed the same bill last month, and Bush said he would sign it soon.

Opponents assailed the eavesdropping program, asserting that it imperiled citizens' rights of privacy from government intrusion. But Bush said the legislation protects those rights as well as Americans' security.

"This bill will help our intelligence professionals learn who the terrorists are talking to, what they're saying and what they're planing," he said in a brief White House appearance after the Senate vote.

The long fight in Congress centered on one main question: whether to protect from civil lawsuits any telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on American phone and computer lines without the permission or knowledge of a secret court created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

The White House had threatened to veto the bill unless it immunized companies such as AT&T Inc. and Verizon Communications Inc. from wiretapping lawsuits.

Forty-six lawsuits now stand to be dismissed because of the new law, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. But the fight has not ended. Civil rights groups are already preparing lawsuits challenging the bill's constitutionality, and four suits, filed against government officials, will not be dismissed.

Numerous lawmakers had spoken out strongly against the no-warrants eavesdropping on Americans, but the Senate voted its approval after rejecting amendments that would have watered down, delayed or stripped away the immunity provision.

The lawsuits center on allegations that the White House circumvented U.S. law by going around the FISA court, which was created 30 years ago to prevent the government from abusing its surveillance powers for political purposes, as was done in the Vietnam War and Watergate eras. The court is meant to approve all wiretaps placed inside the U.S. for intelligence-gathering purposes. The law has been interpreted to include international e-mail records stored on servers inside the U.S.

"This president broke the law," declared Sen. Russell Feingold, a Democrat from Wisconsin.

The Bush administration brought the wiretapping back under the FISA court's authority only after The New York Times revealed the existence of the secret program. A handful of members of Congress knew about the program from top secret briefings. Most members are still forbidden to know the details of the classified effort, and some objected that they were being asked to grant immunity to the telecoms without first knowing what they did.

Republican Sen. Arlen Specter compared the Senate vote to buying a "pig in a poke."

But Sen. Christopher Bond, a Republican and one of the bill's most vocal champions, said, "This is the balance we need to protect our civil liberties without handcuffing our terror-fighters."

Just under a third of the Senate, including Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, supported an amendment that would have stripped immunity from the bill. They were defeated on a 66-32 vote. Republican rival John McCain did not attend the vote.

Obama ended up voting for the final bill, as did Specter. Feingold voted no.

The bill tries to address concerns about the legality of warrantless wiretapping by requiring inspectors general inside the government to conduct a yearlong investigation into the program.

The measure effectively dismisses about 40 lawsuits that have been bundled together. But at least three other lawsuits against government officials will go forward.

[stn_sage]

In my opinion granting retroactive immunity to criminals makes those who approved the immunity criminals themselves. What a stupendous failure of our elected representatives.
This is a disgrace of the highest order and those who approved this lawbreaking are criminals.
Posted by mascarponi at 09:48 AM : Jul 10, 2008
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My response:
Funny you should mention that, for the common man who assists criminal law-breaking, they are deemed to be criminals! However, when it''s done by a so-called white collar type, especially a politician it''s considered normal operating procedure!

But, I agree with you, and I suspect millions of other Americans do as well!

[anecdote1]

I feel safer already. (wait, can I say that?)

[docpeter-2009]

Posted by shado269 at 08:16 AM : Jul 10, 2008, "So - with this bill - can we listen to all the phone conversations our elected officials make? So that we can make sure they are support the American People and not corporations and foreign countries that donate to their campaign funds - after all - if they can spy on us we should be able to spy on them!"
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WRONG!

This would be covered by things like "executive privilage" or "national security".

[docpeter-2009]

D@MN! Now even the demos want to spy on me!

[smiley676]

The Democrats are responsible for this. How can you trust a party that says they will not do this and then they turn around and do it.

It''s better to vote for the Republicans, at least they are honest about what they are going to do.

[ajaxtheleast]

One "eavesdrop" that will be dropped"

"Bernie!, Bugsy here! Got me this child-
molestation charge! No problem though!

I can prove I was with you and
Republican Senator whats-his-name inside
the airport restroom stall at the time!

So be down at Billy''s courtroom at about, ,
SURE YOU DO! "Judge William Conners",,
,,handled my, HA HA, ATM withdrawal."

[jjp735i]

Once again Nancy and those under her leader ship have let us down and gives into Bush. I think Nancy is Bush''s "beard" anymore.

[floydzepp2]

Treasonous Congress. Repugnants and Sissycrats. Our Country has Died.

[floydzepp2]

Treasons Congress. Repugnants and Sissycrats. Our Country has Died.

[atxchill]

Republicans call libs weenies, scared, cowards, when theyre the ones willing to give up liberties because theyre afraid of terrorists. Thats all I hear from them, save us from the terrorist, take all my rights as long as Im safe......well, you boneheads, without your liberties, you no more safe in America, than your would be walking the streets of Iran waving a US flag. Thats what made us better than them, and yes, Im using past tense. Losers.

[egresor]

So, the cost of illegal wiretapping is what caused my Verizon bill to go up 35% over last month without warning?

Posted by OneWorldUSA

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no that gets chalked up to the bush economic and military policies. everything has gone up 25 to 40% around here. everything except gasoline that is. that''s only gone up 400%

[egresor]

there is no doubt that bush violated fisa

which is and was the law, but since when did the fact that it was the law matter?

now those who help break the law get a free pass.

i''d put that right up there with the tobacco company executives gettin a free pass on telling lies to congress under oath. wasn''t that against the law too.

i wonder what they''d do to me if i lied to congress under oath. or YOU did?

:(

[feelfree4u]

That''s great news, "shado269".

Those guys really know their ***!

[oneworldusa]

So, the cost of illegal wiretapping is what caused my Verizon bill to go up 35% over last month without warning?

[stn_sage]

Let''''s see, Democrats voted to give Bush war authorization powers, who turned around and betrayed that trust, by launching an unnecessary war that has resulted in death and economic waste!

Now, they vote to give immunity to companies who violated existing law by illegally spying on Americans!

It appears that the Democrats have no more respect for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the citizenry who elected them, or; personal honor or integrity than Mrs. Bush and Cheney!

So, not only have they failed to do their jobs to impeach Bush and Cheney, now; they continue to take part in the actual degradation of our system of government!

Well, thanks GOP! Thanks, Democrats! YOU BOTH STINK!!

[feelfree4u]

Re: "hopefully we can right these wrongs, and soon!"

Posted by cantshutup

Agreed!


Re: "Another act of Treason committed by Congress."

Posted by lorinkundert


Agreed!!!

[lorinkundert]

Another act of Treason committed by Congress.

[cantshutup]

it''s late...i''m getting my information mixed up...night all...hopefully we can right these wrongs, and soon!

[feelfree4u]

RE: "PAAALEASE! Am I the only person who thinks she''s foolish and not very professional???"

Posted by cantshutup


Compared to whom?

I sure don''t feel that way.

She has a far better chance than Ron Paul, ''cuz, once again, he ain''t running.

[cantshutup]

Cynthia McKinney will be the Green Party candidate this year..Posted by FeelFree4U

WHAAAAAAAAAA????? Isn''t she that sassy loud mouthed face slapper??? PAAALEASE! Am I the only person who thinks she''s foolish and not very professional???