BAGHDAD, July 8, 2008

Iraq: No Withdrawal Timetable, No Deal

Dates For U.S. Forces To Leave Necessary Before Security Accord Can Be Inked, Official Says

    • Violence in Iraq has fallen to its lowest level in four years. The change has been driven by the 2007 buildup of American forces, the Sunni tribal revolt against al Qaeda in Iraq and crackdowns against Shiite militias and Sunni extremists. Photo

      Violence in Iraq has fallen to its lowest level in four years. The change has been driven by the 2007 buildup of American forces, the Sunni tribal revolt against al Qaeda in Iraq and crackdowns against Shiite militias and Sunni extremists.  (AP Photo/Maya Alleruzzo)

    • Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen gestures during a news conference at the Pentagon, Friday, April 25, 2008. Photo

      Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen gestures during a news conference at the Pentagon, Friday, April 25, 2008.  (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)

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(CBS/ AP)  Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.

The comments by Mouwaffak al-Rubaie were the strongest yet by an Iraqi official about the deal now under negotiation with U.S. officials. It came a day after Iraq's prime minister first said publicly that he expects the pending troop deal with the United States to have some type of timetable for withdrawal.

U.S. President George W. Bush has said he opposes a timetable. The White House said Monday it did not believe al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals.

U.S. officials had no immediate comment Tuesday on al-Rubaie's words.

Al-Rubaie spoke to reporters after briefing Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in Najaf on the progress of the government's security efforts, and the talks.

"Our stance in the negotiations underway with the American side will be strong ... We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn't have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq," al-Rubaie sid.

Some type of agreement between the United States and Iraq is needed to keep U.S. troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires at year's end.

U.S. officials have said little publicly about the negotiations. Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, did not comment directly on the specifics when asked about it on a trip to Baghdad.

"We'd all like to see U.S. troops get out of here at some point in time," Mullen said. "However, from a military perspective I need the laws and the regulations and the agreements from the government of Iraq in order to continue operations beyond the 31st of December of this year."

On Monday, Mullen sounded more optimistic, saying, "From all I see, the security conditions are holding, the level of violence is down; we're down to a level that we haven't seen in over four years."

Iraq's government has felt increasingly confident in recent weeks about its authority and the country's improved stability, and Iraqi officials have sharpened their public stance in the negotiations considerably in just the last few days.

Violence in Iraq has fallen to its lowest level in four years. The change has been driven by the 2007 buildup of American forces, the Sunni tribal revolt against al Qaeda in Iraq and crackdowns against Shiite militias and Sunni extremists.

In other developments:

  • Worried about increasing insurgent attacks in Afghanistan, the U.S. military says it is sending extra air power there by shifting an aircraft carrier away from the Iraq war. Defense officials said Tuesday that the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln was moved out of the Persian Gulf and to the Gulf of Oman, shortening the time that the carrier's strike planes must fly to support combat in Afghanistan.

  • The U.S. military says a roadside bomb has killed four contractors and injured eight others in northern Iraq. The military says in a statement that the bomb struck a convoy carrying the contractors near the northern city of Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad. The statement did not say whether the contractors were Iraqis or foreigners.

  • A bomb near a dress shop in Baqouba killed one woman Monday and wounded 14 other people, police said. Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad, and the surrounding Diyala province remain one of the country's most violent regions.

  • Also Monday, gunmen killed a member of the Sunni Iraqi Islamic Party in Tal Afar, 260 miles northwest of Baghdad, said police, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.

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    by bluestardad July 8, 2008 7:35 AM PDT
    THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A TIME TABLE TO LEAVE IRAQ ALSO!

    LIKE YESTERDAY!

    THEN WAR CRIMES TRIALS FOR THOSE WHO GOT AMERICA INTO THAT MESS!
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 7:47 AM PDT
    Gee, you think we wore out our welcome?
    Reply to this comment
    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 7:49 AM PDT
    The last 3 NIEs reported US Forces in Iraq were fueling violence and terrorism.

    Did Shrub listen? No.
    Will McSame listen? No.
    Will Obama listen....we already know the answer to that.
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 7:54 AM PDT
    In one breath BUSH says Iraq is a sovreign country then we ask for this:
    "The contentious issues have been U.S. authority to carry out military operations in Iraq and arrest the country''s citizens, along with legal immunity for private contractors and control of Iraqi air space. "
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    by floydzepp2 July 8, 2008 7:57 AM PDT
    What, no screeching bumpkin RINOs posting?
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    by antoniof123 July 8, 2008 7:58 AM PDT
    It will not matter because the Republicans will not have any power after the November election president will be a Democrat and they know this congress will even have more Democrats in there and they know this.

    Their objectives now is to do as much damage as possible so they can blame someone else the democrats.

    This is getting old with the GOP = greed over principle party.
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    by benissimo-2009 July 8, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
    We''ll be there until Halliburton has acquired all the fund$ they seek.
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    by omnibus66 July 8, 2008 8:13 AM PDT
    Nouri al-Maliki is apparently no longer toeing the Bush line, so look for him to go, SOON. Any talk of a withdrawal timetable is blasphemous. After all, how can we control the oil flow if we are no longer there?

    The Iraqis are perfectly capable of taking care of their own country. They just need us to leave to prove it.
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    by navyjimfl July 8, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
    Just get the troops home................Irag wants us out...
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    by luvusa July 8, 2008 8:42 AM PDT
    Shrub''''s response:

    "As soon as the oil runs out."
    Posted by dragonwagon5

    You''re an idiot. You still think we''re getting oil from Iraq. Such a tired argument.
    Reply to this comment
    by underdogus01 July 8, 2008 8:44 AM PDT
    what are you smoking Maliki? NEWS FLASH JIHADIST AREN''T GOING AWAY!! put that in your pipe and SMOKE IT
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    by luvusa July 8, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
    Just get the troops home................Irag wants us out...
    Posted by navyjimfl

    I''m not for the war but can understand why it is taking us so long to get out of there. Why is it you idiots think it''s as easy as just leaving? If not done correctly, i.e. Iraq cannot protect itself, we will just have to go back and fix it again.
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    by barocalto July 8, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
    By INVESTOR''S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, July 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

    WMD: Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn''t fit the media''s neat story line that Saddam Hussein''s Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003.

    Read More: Iraq | Global War On Terror

    It''s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad.
    After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush "lied" about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S.

    This proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon.
    Reply to this comment
    by luvusa July 8, 2008 8:47 AM PDT
    all you can expect from a limited mind
    Posted by jamesm12341

    Pointless insults...all you can expect from someone with no argument.
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    by iuphockey14 July 8, 2008 8:48 AM PDT
    So now they want us to leave? I remember before they wanted us to stay for a lot longer. Now all of a sudden there is a change of heart? We should have turned that place into a parking lot.
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    by samsel3 July 8, 2008 8:54 AM PDT
    On January 26, 1998 in a letter to the President the PNAC asked Clinton to invade Iraq and get rid of Saddam Hussein.. Clinton refused their request.

    The Times of India August 2007 reported :

    " Iran, Iraq signed an agreement to build pipelines for the transfer of Iraqi crude oil and oil products." Under the deal crude will be refined and sent back to Iraq. Bush opposed this agreement and wanted the Iraqi Parliment to accept and sign a U.S. designed oil law that would result in huge profits for BIG OIL.

    Iraqi oil workers and 63% of Iraqis polled are opposed to the Bush law and prefer a hands off Iraq oil policy."

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    by barocalto July 8, 2008 8:55 AM PDT
    By INVESTOR''S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, July 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

    WMD: Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn''t fit the media''s neat story line that Saddam Hussein''s Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003.

    It''s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad. After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush "lied" about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S.

    This proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon.
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
    It''''s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, ...
    Posted by Barocalto at 08:46 AM : Jul 08, 2008
    ----------------------------------------------

    Yeah, a "fact" that''s in Barocalto''s mind :-)

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    by zykracosmos July 8, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
    If the legitimate recognized government of Iraq wants us to set a timetable for leaving their country, why do Bush and McCain have a problem with that? Why would we continue to be there at a cost of $10 billion a month (your money!)?
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 8:59 AM PDT
    Secret U.S. Plans For Iraq''s Oil
    by Greg Palast

    The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq''s oil before the 9/11 attacks sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC''s Newsnight has revealed.
    Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protestors claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq''s oil once Saddam had been conquered.

    In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists."

    "Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants.
    Ref: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0317-23.htm


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    by rochest July 8, 2008 9:03 AM PDT
    They want us to leave the country---don''t tell Bush because it sounds like we need another regime change!
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    by barocalto July 8, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
    By INVESTOR''S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, July 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

    WMD: Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn''t fit the media''s neat story line that Saddam Hussein''s Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003.

    It''s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad. After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush "lied" about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S.

    This proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon.
    Reply to this comment
    by samsel3 July 8, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
    This proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon.

    Posted by Barocalto at 08:55 AM : Jul 08, 2008

    Wrong grade of uranium. That yellow cake was there for decades and intended for use for electric power production. You also need Plutonium and none was ever found. As far as the trailer loads of Aluminum tubes. The Aluminum pipe was actually high tensile strength aluminum pipe used in the oil & gas industry.
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    by July 8, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
    I think someone forgot to tell the Iraqis, and in particular, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, that we''re never going to leave.

    It was never part of the plan.
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
    I wish you NeoCons would get your stories straight. Last fairy tale I''ve heard is we attack Iraq to bring "democracy" to them.
    Now, y''all are PO''d ''cause their making "DEMANDS" as a sovreign state.
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
    The World MUST honor and obey the Imperial government of the USA.

    Honor and Obey us or die!!!
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
    I hope when McShame starts the next war he''ll be smart enough to use Neotron Bombs versus troops.
    Troops, tanks, etc are too expensive.
    It''s much better just to kill all the people and just take over the territory.
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    by iuphockey14 July 8, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
    Hey LUVUSA: My argument is that we havent been attacked again because we have been over there kicking those terrorists *** up and down the Middle East. Sure I want our troops to come home who doesnt? Its amazing how many liberals we all for the war and now they see the public is a little upset about it and now they want to retract their statements. Thats all I have heard Obama Bin Laden argue about is the war and how we need to talk to the terrorists. Hey should talk to them, he speaks their language.
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    by maramara2 July 8, 2008 9:12 AM PDT
    This should seen a shockwave to Mccain and the Republicans. The Iraqis don''t want us in their country. America can be protected by increasing homeland security and not by fighting endless wars.
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    by samsel3 July 8, 2008 9:12 AM PDT
    Posted by frootloop47 at 08:59 AM : Jul 08, 20

    One comment on your post: There were no secret plans to invade Iraq.
    In the public record:
    On January 26, 1998 in a letter to the President the PNAC asked Clinton to invade Iraq and get rid of Saddam Hussein. He refused their request.
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    by maramara2 July 8, 2008 9:16 AM PDT
    Getting oil from Iraq by unfair deals is cheating. America cannot build itself by cheating Iraq.
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    by samsel3 July 8, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
    In an interview published by the French, dedefensa.org journalist Amy Goodman''s interview with General Wesley Clark.

    Clark stated he viewed a defense department memo ( before the Iraq invasion ) that described how the U.S. was going to take out seven countries in five years....

    "starting with Iraq,then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya,then Somalia and Sudan, and back to Iran."
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    by watcher269-2009 July 8, 2008 9:24 AM PDT
    It will be enormously cathartic for the world to see the likes of Wolfolwitz (the major architect of the Iraq debacle), Cheney, Bush, Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al --------- being sworn in at the Hague.

    Posted by psy_war

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    This would be nice - but for the likes of Halliburton - they moved their headquarters to Dubai - there is no extradition treaty with the United States. So, plan on Cheney moving to Dubai.

    Bush evidently purchased a bunch of land in Paraguay in South America for a new ranch.

    My belief is that no sitting president of any party will allow another ex. president to be put in jail - that would mark a precedence for future presidents that would just not be allowed. As like Nixon.

    I''d really be surprised if either party would have the ballss big enough to put anyone from this Administration in jail. With all the illegal wire tapping that has been going on these last 8 years - B&C have things on everyone I''d bet.
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 9:24 AM PDT
    Debating on this Blog is like running a race in the Special Olympics.
    Even if you win, you''re still retarded :-)
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    by kennedy7955 July 8, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
    Iraq Wants Timetable For U.S. Withdrawal

    yeah, so do I...
    Reply to this comment
    by watcher269-2009 July 8, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
    Getting oil from Iraq by unfair deals is cheating. America cannot build itself by cheating Iraq.

    Posted by maramara2

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    It is also called Republicanism/Big Oil/Current President & Vice President!
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    by July 8, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
    Barocalto wrote:

    "This proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon."

    Dream on, moron.

    The Yellow Cake Uranium had been in Iraq since the very early 1980''s, and was originally part of Iraqs nuclear facilities that were bombed by the Israelis in 1981.

    Since then, the Yellow Cake Uranium had been stored in barrels that were getting rustier by the day, and had been documented by UN Weapons Inspectors before/after the first Gulf War.

    That''s right - it''s been in Iraq for decades and we''ve known about it for decades.

    In other words, it''s NOT a new discovery.

    And for all those right wing nut jobs out there, Yellow Cake Uranium is not even close to being Weapons Grade - it takes an awful amount of refinement before it gets to that point - technology that Saddam did not have.

    You pathetic GW Bush supporters should get a clue.
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    by watcher269-2009 July 8, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
    I heard that Bush is out looking in all the antique stores for this "Time Table" that Iraq is wanting.
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
    good one, watcher
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    by July 8, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
    jamesm12341 wrote:

    "at least you are not in denial like most of the libs on here....first step for you!!"

    You''d know all about living in denial.
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    by bfjones666 July 8, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
    Didn''t Bush say last year that if the Iraqis want us to leave that we will leave? Let''s hold our president to his word and if the Iraqis want to see a time-table for our withdrawal, then we should be doing just that. Not trying to build additional bases to protect the oil for the Big Oil companies that we staged this war for.
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    by leftyintexas July 8, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
    HEADEM UP!... MOVEM OUT!
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    by hologram5 July 8, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
    If they want us out then by God we should leave and let them deal with it themselves.
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    by latrocinor-2009 July 8, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
    The UN justification ito be in Iraq is evaporating shortly so some sort of agreement is needed to extend our presence there. The "...timetable for a withdrawal.." will suffice for a felxible agreement.
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    by piercetheval July 8, 2008 9:56 AM PDT
    ...[with thanks to the late George Carlin:]
    ...Pull out!?!...That does''t sound very manly, why don''t we leave it in there and get the job done!?!
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    by latrocinor-2009 July 8, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
    a pile of dung....
    Posted by dragonwagon5
    .. .. ..

    Yes, the conspiracy theories do seem that way...
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    by frootloop47 July 8, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
    Let''s face it, this Administration in the name of the United States totally f''ed up IRAQ, destablized the middle east, has put the U.S. in the crapper ecomonically, and has caused untold misery.

    We ought to apolize to the world and Iraq, get the hell out, and support their reconstruction.
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    by hungry1968 July 8, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
    "Iraq Wants Timetable For U.S. Withdrawal"
    "Iraqi People Want Timetable For U.S. Withdrawal"
    "American People Want Timetable For U.S. Withdrawal"
    "Bush and McCain Regime''s Want To Remain There Forever"
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    by latrocinor-2009 July 8, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
    There is no UN agreement or justification for the US to be in Iraq. The UN said their were no WMDs, nor were there any nuclear active programs found.

    Posted by zoe2006
    .. .. .. ..


    The reality is the UN resolution was used as a justification.
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    by latrocinor-2009 July 8, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
    "Bush and McCain Regime''''s Want To Remain There Forever"

    Posted by hungry1968
    ,, .. ..

    Only if it''s good for the USA
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