July 7, 2008
Is Obama Following Bush On Iraq?
National Review Online: Democrat's Policy Seems To Be Strikingly Similar To The Status Quo
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Obama's Changing Iraq Stance?
Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has been criticized by conservative pundits who say that he has flip-flopped on the issue of Iraq. Thalia Assuras reports from Washington.
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When Barack Obama announced he was going to “refine” his position on Iraq last week, not surprisingly many of his supporters were in a snit. It’s hard to blame them.
Obama campaigned on a promise to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq immediately, at the rate of a brigade or two a month, effectively removing the U.S. presence within 16 months of him assuming office. To bolster his antiwar credentials when jumping into the primary, in January of 2007 he introduced legislation in the Senate to have all of the troops out of Iraq by March of this year. And during the primary, he reminded anyone with a microphone that he was the only major candidate who had opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. If Obama were to refine his positions such that he were no longer explicitly in favor of ending the Iraq war promptly, it could represent a significant blow to his credibility among party activists and longtime supporters.
For his part, Obama seems to be feigning incredulity that anyone would be paying attention to how a presidential candidate “refines” his signature issue. “I was a little puzzled by the frenzy that I set off by what I thought was a pretty innocuous statement,” he told the Associated Press. “I am absolutely committed to ending the war.”
However, those paying close attention will note that Obama has significantly moderated his original antiwar and foreign-policy positions in recent months. Democrats and Obama supporters will be loathe to admit it, but Obama stands poised to adopt the three major elements of the Bush-administration foreign policy - staying the course in Iraq, endorsing the doctrine of preventative war and the strategic expansion of executive power to fight the war on terror.
While Obama hasn’t committed to any specifics regarding how he’ll change his Iraq position, evidence points to Obama doing almost a complete about-face on Iraq withdrawal. As George Packer observed in a recent issue of The New Yorker, recent success in Iraq has put Obama in a tricky spot - rapid withdrawal at a time the U.S. is succeeding would not be popular with mainstream voters, but going back on his promise to end the war would not be popular with the candidate’s base. “With the general election four months away, Obama’s rhetoric on the topic now seems outdated and out of touch, and the nominee-apparent may have a political problem concerning the very issue that did so much to bring him this far,” Packer wrote.
Packer further notes that the Center for a New American Security - “something like Obama’s foreign-policy think tank” - is urging a plan of “conditional engagement” not tied to a timetable. And former Obama adviser Samantha Power, not known for her discretion, told the BBC Obama “will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator. He will rely upon a plan - an operational plan - that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now . . . It would be the height of ideology to sort of say, ‘Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.’” There are even reports that Obama might be trying to retain Bush Defense Secretary Robert Gates, which would provide a degree of strategic continuity.
In other words, Obama will get the U.S. out of Iraq when it appears prudent to do so. That is, as far as anyone can tell, is also the Bush administration’s position. Those on the left hanging their hopes on Obama ending the war swiftly might be in for a rude awakening.
Then there’s the Left’s ideological objection the Bush administration embracing the doctrine of preventative war. In a much discussed article oped in the Boston Globe last week, Boston University Professor Andrew Bacevich excoriated the Bush administration for his foreign-policy legacy and called Obama to “persuade Americans to repudiate the Bush legacy and to choose another course.”
In particular, he lamented that the Bush administration had “promulgated and implemented a doctrine of preventive war, thereby creating a far more permissive rationale for employing armed force.” Bacevich did not, however, take note of the fact that Obama has himself endorsed the doctrine of preventative war.
In his speech to AIPCE in early June, Obama said of Israel’s bombing of a Syrian site believed to be a nascent nuclear reactor, “Syria has taken dangerous steps in pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, which is why Israeli action was justified to end that threat.”
That’s even farther than the Reagan administration was willing to go when Israel bombed the Osirak Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981. While it tacitly approved of Israel’s actions, as a matter of public policy the administration supported a U.N. Resolution condemning Israel’s actions and withheld a promised shipment of aircraft in response.
This acceptance of preventative war has major implications for Obama’s stance on Iran. According to the Chicago Tribune, Obama has said “global leaders must do whatever it takes to stop Iran from enriching uranium and acquiring nuclear weapons.” Presumably, “whatever it takes” would include bombing Iranian reactors, and other preemptive attacks on Iran. So while Obama has said he doesn’t believe diplomatic options with Iran are exhausted, he is not on principle opposed to preventive attacks on Iran, a position that is complete anathema to many supporters.
Finally, Obama’s near complete reversal on Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the Patriot Act show that he ultimately supports the Bush administration’s expansion of executive power to fight the war on terrorism. With his support of the compromise FISA, he’s not just going back on his previous position on FISA legislation but embracing a warrantless-surveillance program that most liberal Democrats have opposed on constitutional grounds.
In a recent oped for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, liberal standard-bearer Sen. Russ Feingold wrote, “When the president claimed that he could wiretap innocent Americans without a warrant, he asserted one of the most intrusive government powers imaginable.” By Feingold’s own logic, Obama is not averse to wielding the “most intrusive government powers imaginable” for himself. Similarly, before Obama was in the Senate, he said he supported repealing the Patriot Act, but after he was in the Senate he voted to reauthorize it. (To be fair, it was reauthorized with minor changes.)
No doubt many people are eager to support Obama’s foreign policy because of pragmatic issues, or in response to the perceived incompetence of the Bush administration. And nobody’s arguing that there aren’t other, very important differences between the Obama, Bush, and McCain foreign policies - Israel is a point of contention, among other issues.
But if significant numbers of Democrats are supporting Obama because they believe he represents a complete ideological break from the Bush administration’s foreign policy, they’re kidding themselves. Ultimately, electing Barack Obama may go a long way toward validating much of Bush’s foreign-policy legacy.
By Mark Hemingway
Reprinted with permission from National Review Online.




Obama is following Bush on funding Faith based initiatives, so who really knows! I didn''t think Obama would follow Bush on anything but he has already surprised me. It can''t be dismissed. But Iraq now seems to be setting its own timetable and path for U.S. withdrawal beyond the control of U.S. leaders upsetting the apple cart!
They come across a lantern and a Genie pops out of it. ''I will give each of you one wish, which is three wishes in total'', says the Genie.
The Canadian says, ''I am a farmer and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in Canada''
POOF!
With the blink of the Genie''s eye, the land in Canada was forever fertile for farming.
Osama was amazed, so he said, ''I want a wall around Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq and Iran so that no infidels, Americans or Canadians can come into our precious land.''
POOF!
Again, with the blink of the Genie''s eye, there was a huge wall around those countries.
The Texan says, ''I am very curious. Please tell me more about this wall.''
The Genie explains, ''Well, it''s about 5,000 feet high, 5oo feet thick and completely surrounds the countries. Nothing can get in or out; it''s virtually impenetrable.''
The Texan sits down on his Harley, cracks a beer, lites a cigar, smiles and says, ''Fill it with water.''
Re: "National Review Online: Democrat''s Policy Seems To Be Strikingly Similar To The Status Quo"
Now you''ve really done it. Now you have left me with little choice but to agree with the fascistic and criminal dead-brains at the National Review Online.
Thanks a lot Democrats.
You speak the truth here.
That''s why I''m voting for chuck baldwin, mclame and nobama are two idiots with the same goal.
"As for obama being "confused" on how to end the war, here''s something-how about winning the d(*m war?? " If you think this war is going to go away, you''re as naive as I think you are.
Might doesn''t make right, it makes terrorists. Like you.
I have no personnel objection to Obama doing a trip to Iraq. He is likely to have to alter his time table for withdrawl if things change in the middle east.
Bush has slready demostrated that not being willing to be open to aknowledge reality does not work very well.
Obama has not changed his position at all. At more than one debate he stated that he would adjust his withdrawal plans based on the situation on the ground.
So what''s new here? Nothing. Nothing at all. It''s the same he''s been saying all along.
But that doesn''t stop you from wrapping falsehoods in propaganda, does it? It never has.
This magazine, this site and this article are garbage.
Why don''t you just point out the truth about Barack? That he''s trying to hold several different positions simultaneously, and when that''s not possible he takes as far-right a position as he can such that it''s just left of McCain. And that he''s willing to ''take his lumps'' from his supporters because we, unlike the powers that be, don''t have the power to stand in his way of getting what he wants which is power.
Because then the argument then becomes if the two candidates are virtually the same then why not go for the vet to spearhead the redeployment?
The hatred for you GOPigs is so intense, people can already tell Barack''s a flip-flopping phony but cling to him anyway because you pigs keep acting greasy with you''re skeevy ''strategy''. And Barack knows that - you all need to make people feel like McCain can offer an alternative of truth.
Then again, maybe that argument really can''t be made . . .
Posted by SamTheTVCat at 03:47 AM : Jul 08, 2008
Someone once said that Obama could sing a song by some artist that goes "I''m going to grab a gun and kill all the whitey''s I see" and he would still get elected.
Some people want anyone but a Republican in the White House, no matter what they say.
THE KING OF CONN.
GOD "BLESS" AMERICA. NOT "G D" AMERICA.
Just another playback of 06'' when the wimpocrats told us they were going to get us out if elected, I''m still waiting..............
Posted by A8151947 at 08:03 AM
But enough about GW Bush...
The Fox News or Weekly Standard of journalism - not to be taken seriously.
Exposure to the light is sometimes an effective way to kill a disease.
I don''t believe any politican...they are only out to help themselves. I think we actually need a benevolent dictator. Couln''t be much worse that what we have had the last few years and what we can expect going forward. Heaven help us.
And....pray tell who might that someone be? I have looked at eveything going and can''t find a soul that meets that criteria.
ONLY WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN DECLARE OUR OWN DEFEAT.
;)
both talk to us like preachers. Both claim to be Christians but appear to know little about the Bible.
Bush was the one we sent to change things in Washington, remember ?
Obama has the same exact message Bush did ! ! !
We need change and because he is a Christian we should trust him ? ? ?
Are we going to fall for that again ? ? ?
Posted by hologram5 at 09:51 AM : Jul 08, 2008
Absolutely......Stewie Griffen 08''
He is a Washington insider all the way ! ! !
We should trust him because he attended the T.U.C.C. for 20 years ?
We should trust him because he is a Chicago lawyer ?
We should trust him because he got a sweetheart deal on his house loan ?
We should trust him because he says that the Nation of Islam helps people ? ? ?
Why should we trust Obama ? ? ?
So what''''s new here? Nothing. Nothing at all. It''''s the same he''''s been saying all along.
Posted by aakalan at 01:20 AM : Jul 08, 2008
But that''s exactly what the current administration is doing - adjusting troop levels to reflect the situation on the ground. The idea of measured U.S. troop withdrawal dependent on Iraqi military readiness is the status quo. On his website Obama still says he would remove all combat brigades from Iraq in 16 months.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
But what he''s saying lately is a recapitulation of W''s policy of getting troops out as the situation stabilizes. So, he''s being a typical pol in trying to appeal to everyone.
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by wardoglrs
July 10, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
- He betrayed us by voting for the FISA bill. were is all the talk about that on CBS?
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