WASHINGTON, July 5, 2008

After Gun Ban Ruling, D.C. Seeks New Rules

As Residents Head To Gun Shops, Officials Scramble To Draft New Regulations

  • Supreme Court police officer A.J. Mackie stands on the steps of the court in Washington, Thursday June 26, 2008. Americans can keep guns at home for self-defense, the court ruled Thursday in the justices' first-ever pronouncement on the meaning of gun rights under the Second Amendment. Photo

    Supreme Court police officer A.J. Mackie stands on the steps of the court in Washington, Thursday June 26, 2008. Americans can keep guns at home for self-defense, the court ruled Thursday in the justices' first-ever pronouncement on the meaning of gun rights under the Second Amendment.  (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)

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(AP)  Dale Metta, who manages a gun shop just outside the District of Columbia limits in Maryland, has had to turn away dozens of city residents wanting to buy handguns in recent days. Never mind that the U.S. Supreme Court just struck down Washington's 32-year-old ban on possessing handguns.

"I'd like to sell anything I have," said Metta. But he won't just yet - not until the city draws up new regulations.

The Supreme Court's decision June 26 rebuffed the strictest gun law in the nation.

The National Rifle Association called it "a great moment in American history." But prospective gun buyers and sellers said they remain on hold, awaiting the response of D.C. officials who are scrambling to draft new handgun regulations that comply with the court ruling.

"There's nothing we can do until we know what they will do," Metta said.

Metta, manager of Atlantic Guns in Silver Spring, Md., said his store fielded about 75 calls from D.C. residents after the ruling. Other gun shops outside the city - which has no shops of its own - also received calls. They, too, were turning prospective buyers away.

Writing for a 5-4 majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said: "We hold that the District's ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."

Washington's gun ban took effect in 1976 and essentially outlawed private ownership of handguns in a city struggling with violence.

In 1974, two years before the ban took effect, more than half of all homicides were committed with handguns. But what impact the ban has had on crime has long been debated, particularly after homicides more than doubled during a crack epidemic in the late 1980s and early 90s.

Supporters of the ban lamented the court ruling, but vowed to maintain the strictest handgun measures allowed.

"The Supreme Court's decision last week was regrettable; nonetheless, it is the law of the land," D.C. Council member Phil Mendelson said. He introduced legislation Tuesday to repeal the handgun ban and propose new requirements.

Besides banning handguns, D.C. law required that rifles and shotguns be kept unloaded and disassembled, or equipped with trigger locks - restrictions Mendelson's bill would still retain. But, bowing to the high court, he offered a broad exemption for guns kept at home for "immediate self-defense."

Gun rights advocates called the bill's wording too narrow, questioning how someone would interpret an immediate need for protection.

"That's a troublesome approach," said John Snyder, of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. He accused the city of trying to make it "as difficult as possible for people to defend themselves."

Mendelson's bill also would require a ballistics record for handguns and a waiting period for registration to be determined by the police chief.

Critics, meanwhile, charged the proposal doesn't address the city's unusual regulation of machine guns, which D.C. defines as weapons that shoot at least 12 rounds without reloading. That restriction applies to many popular semiautomatic firearms.

It remains uncertain how quickly the D.C. Council will move to enact new regulations. Mendelson said, if needed, he will propose emergency action July 15, before the group's summer recess starts.

The city's ban was to remain in effect at least three weeks after the Supreme Court's ruling, until a lower court issues an injunction. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty's administration also is drafting new regulations.

Many are waiting anxiously.

Allan Lucas, a licensed firearms instructor in D.C., is among those concerned about how new regulations will affect him.

He has been trying for two years to open an indoor shooting range in the city to train security guards and other clients. Because the city currently has no zoning category for such a business, he takes his clients to ranges in the suburbs.

"It's pretty ridiculous to think of so many people qualifying to register for firearms and not having a range to practice on," he said.

John McRae, who has lived in Washington for 40 of his 64 years, is among those thinking of buying a gun once the rules are settled. He said he wants to protect himself from armed criminals.

"If they come into my house, I can't use a broomstick," McRae said.



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by sistatee-2009 July 6, 2008 2:56 AM EDT
So now guns are legal in D.C., but there''s no way to get a gun in D.C? How about steal one like everybody else.
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by libsluv2spit July 6, 2008 2:59 AM EDT
How about steal one like everybody else.

Posted by SistaTee at 11:56 PM : Jul 05, 2008
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not everybody in DC that wants a handgun are criminals..OF COURSE THAT IS HOW A LIBERAL SEES THINGS..
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by nearl4511 July 6, 2008 3:33 AM EDT
Truth be told, the Supreme Court Ruling didn''t really resolve anything but preventing local jurisdictions from blanket refusal of handgun ownership and extreme ules to store them in unusable form.

The SUpreme COurt did insinuate that certain "infringement" of rights may be quite legal.

The Courts ruling did not make owning a gun any easier; it did not make brandishing a gun by anyone at anytime and in any contex constitutional in any way.
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by lorinkundert July 6, 2008 4:10 AM EDT
How long will it take for the people to understand that the Constitution does not give the Government any authority at all to even so much as mention gun control, the founders couldn''t have been clearer.
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by magoo2u1 July 6, 2008 4:23 AM EDT
"How long will it take for the people to understand that the Constitution does not give the Government any authority at all to even so much as mention gun control, the founders couldn''''t have been clearer"

So , you really think just anyone that understands English can simply read a document written in english and understand it? You have to have someone interpret it. The statement "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" needs to be interpreted. It could mean almost anything but does not clearly state the citizens can keep and carry "arms". If only the constitutional meaning could be clearly understood by reading.
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by brianbwb-2009 July 6, 2008 5:05 AM EDT
"IS THIS THE PLAN FOR AMERICA THAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA?
Consider these CHANGES/DIRECTIONS and think again, please." Posted by JTait2

Sounds good to me, now only of even half of them were true...
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by brianbwb-2009 July 6, 2008 5:10 AM EDT
Posted by magoo2u1

No one seems to realize that the language of the Constitution is literal and deliberate, it mentions "arms", firearms are only one type of armament, baseball bats, clubs, tazers, poison, even swords, knives and sharp sticks.

A not unreasonable interpretation could be to limit what types of arms are permitted, without prohibiting arms in general, and the prohibition of vertain types of firearms would not violate the constitution in any way.
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by scratch0058 July 6, 2008 8:21 AM EDT
Please re-interpret my second amendment rights while I reload.
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by platteman July 6, 2008 9:23 AM EDT
Gun control means hitting your target. So when you kill the SOB that is trying to break into your home, that will end the need for a trial. We know that the liberals will want to hug a thug and love and care for them so that they will change their ways. All the while costing the taxpayers millions of dollars to carry out their hug a thug program.
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by komoncents July 6, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
The right to own guns is the only thing that prevents a corrupt government from victimizing the people it is sworn to serve.
Posted by S_Temper at 04:24 AM : Jul 06, 2008

While I''m all for citizens owning guns and therefore protecting themselves and their homes, but to believe it will keep our corrupt government from victiming us is simply wishful thinking.

Or haven''t you been paying attention to the news for the last 8 yrs?

Bush sponsered $5.00 a gallon gas - I''d call that victimizing us.

Bush sponsored illegal wiretaps - I''d have to call that victimizing us too.

Bush sponsored war for oil profits via 962 lies - I''m sorry but all the dead soldiers probably feel victimized as well.

Us owning guns didnt stop any of that.

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by nikkicatt1 July 6, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
Have you ever noticed that Liberals live in a rose colored world? "firearms are only one type of armament, baseball bats, clubs, tazers, poison, even swords, knives and sharp sticks." I do not think our forefathers meant to arm a militia with "poison and tazers. To qoute a truly great mans "you will take my gun out of my cold dead fingers". As for having locks on home defense guns: Are you gonna call "TIME" if someone breaks in so you can find the key then take the lock off? Instead of gun bans - how about gun classes? My kids and grandkids have never "played" with any of our firearms. They have been taught about firearm safety all their lives.
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by stick1770 July 6, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
Why are they having to wait for new regulations to be drafted? You have the right to have arms PERIOD! No regulations. You have the right to own them. There is no "regulations" in the constitution. Stop trying to put the breaks on our rights as citizens. Start worrying about getting the crooks off the streets and stop worrying about if I want to own a gun to protect myself or go hunting. I''m sure that when someone attacks you or breaks in your house they don''t have a gun lock on the gun or have it disassembled until they attack you.
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
Guns shouldn''t be given to people with a history of mental illness. That might exclude most politicians.
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
Thats why I''m a western vegetarian.
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
"No sir! No sir! I''m not paranoid! Iraq has wmds!"
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
Flag mental illness the same way you''d flag a felony. Its the only way to keep guns away from the mentally ill while not violating their privacy.
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
I wouldn''t even put someone with a mental illness on a plane, or a bus or a train. That means all you politicians are gonna have to drive to work..
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by poopus123 July 6, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
Please re-interpret my second amendment rights while I reload.


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Posted by Scratch0058

HAHA. Nice....
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
At least Obama ain''t gonna up and move to a foreign country with all our tax payer money.
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by tootall10142 July 6, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
I was attacked one day by a meth head and struck down with lead pipe had i not had a weapon he would struck me twice and killed me .He died that cold january morning in front of his eight year old daughter and his wife.Turned out to be a mistaken identity on his part the authorities believed.this was not the first life i had taken in my life time.Iswore the one before this guy would be the last ,yea right!
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by tootall10142 July 6, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
Hey sid vicious in some ways i agree with you and some i dont ,you seem to be a little upset with your government.wonder why?
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by cfin5 July 6, 2008 11:52 AM EDT
Not sure what the store owners problem is. If a law is rescinded, wouldn''t you revert to the rules that are pertinent now with like rules before the ban? Gonna run himself out of business worrying about nothing it sounds. Folks are just gonna go elsewhere to get a firearm to protect themselves from the DC hordes of gangs and political left bureaucracy''s......On second thought, the BATFE''s new theme for intimidation tactics is "ALWAYS THINK FORFEITURE". Uh, I''m not kidding people. Bet you have to be a good college brain-trained commie fascist to get a job there. Communists have the best record anywhere for "confiscating" their cit,....I mean serfs property. What little they have that is. Maybe those agents have that store owner spooked up a bit.
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by hungry1968 July 6, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
LET THEM KNOW YOU WANT HILLARY!!!!!

Posted by JTait2 at 07:53 AM : Jul 06, 2008





Hillary STILL lost. Nothing has changed.

By the way, I have a little secret for you - the super delegates CANNOT endorse a candidate that has CONCEDED defeat, and has withdrawn from the nomination process.

Do you have ANY IDEA of how the process works? Has our school systems become such as abysmal failure, as to produce such uneducated people as yourself?

No wonder our country is in such trouble!!
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by mo005 July 6, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
All these postings and only one that about the subject. This posting stuff is about *** when all you have are idiots that ramble about dumb stuff. All I know is, from my cold dead fingers people ,cold dead fingers. They will pry my gun. They won''t take away my rights.
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by hungry1968 July 6, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
All I know is, from my cold dead fingers people ,cold dead fingers. They will pry my gun. They won''''t take away my rights.

Posted by mo005 at 09:28 AM : Jul 06, 2008





Correct. A criminal will shoot and kill you, and take the gun from your "cold dead fingers". Then he will have two guns.
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by generey July 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
Critics, meanwhile, charged the proposal doesn''t address the city''s unusual regulation of machine guns, which D.C. defines as weapons that shoot at least 12 rounds without reloading. That restriction applies to many popular semiautomatic firearms.

THIS "definition" is where DC is going to "getcha".
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by tootall10142 July 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
WHEN ONE THESE CITY LEADERS GETS THIER WIFE OR HUSBAND GUNNED DOWN WE CAN ASK THEM THEN HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT GUN CONTROL NOW?IF THIS DOES HAPPE THEY DESERVE EVERY MINUTE OF GRIEF AND SORROW,BUT WORRY NOT THIER KIDS CAN DRAW SOCIAL SECURITY TO PAY FOR THIER MEDS FOR DEPREESION BECAUSE MOMMY GOT KILLED BY A MAN WITH A SHORT GUN. BOO FLUCKIN WHOOO!
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by jj67rs July 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
I believe it to be a sad day in our country when our leaders cannot and will not admit when they are wrong. That D.C. gun ban was wrong. I would like to know how many innocent lives were lost there because they could not protect themselves, because of that ban. Now that the ban has been lifted, I want to know why these people who are so against guns, think that it is going to get worse. That ban had been in place for over thirty years and it did nothing to stop crime. D.C. is still one of the worst places to live. If that doesn''t say failed policy I don''t know what does. Personally, I think that many of these people who are against guns are really just cowards themselves. Cowards, who are dependant on the police and anybody else who would come to their aid, because they themselves would not have the courage to protect and defend themselves and their families. I hope the day never comes that I am not mentally and physically strong enough, willing or able to protect and defend , myself and my family. The people of this Great Country are becoming to weak and dependant.
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by jon2012-2009 July 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that the 2nd Amendment does not necessarily connect to state security or any consideration for that matter but an unconditional guarantee of the individual''s right to possess weapons and military arsenal for whatever use they may be deemed necessary, we await how this is all going to shake out. From this point on, we depend on our Justices for guidance having abandoned the logic and precedents that once bound us to the spirit and letter of the Constitution.
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by jon2012-2009 July 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
I was attacked one day by a meth head and struck down with lead pipe had i not had a weapon he would struck me twice and killed me .He died that cold january morning in front of his eight year old daughter and his wife.Turned out to be a mistaken identity on his part the authorities believed
Posted by tootall10142 at 08:38 AM : Jul 06, 2008

This is indeed an argument for having guns on your person, at home or on the street. So why not put that in the Constitution, an amendment to own weapons for self-defense or even for any purpose the individual may determine?
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by dowjones20k July 6, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
There are people who had these crazy things done to them.. but normal people don''''t go around think''''n about that stuff. Thats why they lock those people up in a barbed wire basement full of tv monitors.. They''''re weird.

Posted by sidvicious75

How many of these locked up crimunals are released and then reoffend?

Not sure where your neighborhood is .. but I seriously doubt you ever stepped out in say .. south central LA, Houstons Walnut Bend, South Dallas, Dorchester, Roxbury, Springfield MA,

There are tons of crime ridden communities in this country .. and the notion that if one does not have the right to defend thier family or thier property is preposterous ...

Many of us "sheltered" Americans who are not living in crime ridden, drug, gang infested communities or have been subjected to a violent crime can sit in judgement and pooh pooh the reality .. this is not a video game you can just turn off ..

You are naive .... and if you get on the web or watch the news (if it bleeds it leads) and research crime you might be more open minded about what your ranting about ..
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by rushlimbaug4 July 6, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
The idiots in DC will do everything they can to curb around the new ruling that the citizens can own handguns. They will still make it as hard as can be, but have no fear, NRA is here to sue if they still play with you.

The intullectually challengedd libs in this country still try to thrwart there ideas into anything they can despite a supreme court ruling, typical lib freedom haters. DC residence, go buy your new hand guns and defend yourself. Your 32 years behind the times.

Posted by zgomer at 11:51 AM : Jul 06, 2008

GOD BLESS YOU GOMER!! Every man women and child should have a gun issued to them with their drivers license. We live in a dangerous nation where you can not trust your neighbor, you best friend or your WIFE!! I have had a few run ins with cranky seniors and had I had a pistol within arms length, well needless to say I would have won that argument over who was first in line at the grocery checkout!!! LIBZZZ!!
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by jj67rs July 6, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
To Sid STUPID...Id be willing to bet you would be the first one to be on the news crying, when something happens to you or a family member of yours-wondering who to sue-because nobody came to protect you and your family. Crying because somebody else wasn''t there to protect you-because you just werent brave enough to do it. I be willing to bet you either live in a nice safe area and haven''t really seen anything bad in life, except for what is on the national news channels and what you read online, OR you may have seen a few things and just think you are invisible and untouchable-one of those it will never happen to me or anybody I know people. I think that you are the only one with a false sense of security, because you are the type that thinks that it is everyone else''s responsibility to keep you safe. It is the people who you say has the false sense of security that really know that you are responsible for yourself and that no one is going to take care of you -but you. Even the police will tell you its not their job to keep you as an individual safe. They are their for the PUBLIC''s safety...
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by jj67rs July 6, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
To Sid STUPID...Id be willing to bet you would be the first one to be on the news crying, when something happens to you or a family member of yours-wondering who to sue-because nobody came to protect you and your family. Crying because somebody else wasn''t there to protect you-because you just werent brave enough to do it. I be willing to bet you either live in a nice safe area and haven''t really seen anything bad in life, except for what is on the national news channels and what you read online, OR you may have seen a few things and just think you are invisible and untouchable-one of those it will never happen to me or anybody I know people. I think that you are the only one with a false sense of security, because you are the type that thinks that it is everyone else''s responsibility to keep you safe. It is the people who you say has the false sense of security that really know that you are responsible for yourself and that no one is going to take care of you -but you. Even the police will tell you its not their job to keep you as an individual safe. They are there for the PUBLIC''s safety...
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by jj67rs July 6, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
To Sid STUPID...Id be willing to bet you would be the first one to be on the news crying, when something happens to you or a family member of yours-wondering who to sue-because nobody came to protect you and your family. Crying because somebody else wasn''t there to protect you-because you just werent brave enough to do it. I be willing to bet you either live in a nice safe area and haven''t really seen anything bad in life, except for what is on the national news channels and what you read online, OR you may have seen a few things and just think you are invisible and untouchable-one of those it will never happen to me or anybody I know people. I think that you are the only one with a false sense of security, because you are the type that thinks that it is everyone else''s responsibility to keep you safe. It is the people who you say has the false sense of security that really know that you are responsible for yourself and that no one is going to take care of you -but you. Even the police will tell you its not their job to keep you as an individual safe. They are there for the PUBLIC''s safety...
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by jt_lancer July 6, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
Incidentally, the government police have no legal mandate to ''protect'' you from crime - nor do they bear any responsibility for failing to ''protect'' you. This has been stated in several court cases.

Relying upon the police to protect you and your family from harm is a fool''s game.

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by jj67rs July 6, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
I am well aware of those court cases, that is why I put that out there. Any reasonable, thinking person should know and understand that. But, there are way too many people out there who don''t, and when their hour of need come''s-They will find out the hard way they may be S.O.L.. It''s like that old saying that i just can''t remember at the moment... An ounce of prevention ____ -_______ _____.
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by kindrox July 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
* I have had a few run ins with cranky seniors and had I had a pistol within arms length, well needless to say I would have won that argument over who was first in line at the grocery checkout!!! *

You don''t sound like you should be out of jail.

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by kindrox July 6, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
My mother has carried a gun pretty much her entire adult lifetime. Twice she had to show it to men who thought she would be an easy target. Fortunatly she never had to pull the trigger.

That is two crimes that never got started and one life not spoiled. It amuses me when adult men get on here and say what a woman with a gun can''t do.

Yet millions of them are out and about, quietly doing it every day.
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by edintex July 6, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
People are supposed to live their lives in fear. Thats not a free society. Thats an oppressed society. Thats a dictatorship.
Posted by sidvicious75 at 12:43 PM : Jul 06, 2008

I fear people exactly like you; the crazies who might at any moment walk into a store I am in and start shooting. So what kind of society are YOU making?

That is why I carry a concealed weapon. I hope I never have to use it, but will gladly dispatch a crazy person who is attacking me or others around me. That scenario doesnt happen often, but you read about it happening in Texas occasionally.
One thing is for sure...If you want to do a crime, DONT COME TO TEXAS. You never know WHO has a gun!!!!
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by helencarter1 July 6, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
Laws only limit what honest people due. Criminals could care less about any law DC passes. Join Us to stop the injustice! www.theseriouspolice.com
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
How do ya know it ain''t just two people play''n it rough? Who appointed you judge, jury, executioner, congressman, senator, and president? Huh? What makes you so certain you ain''t a part of the problem? What yer propoganda tells ya?
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by sidvicious75 July 6, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
Don''t even throw that guy a surprise birthday party. He''s a security guy. He''s a fruitloop.
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by jijalagi July 6, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
Sorry mayor Fenty, 73% of the American people think you%u2019re wrong. The majority of the Supreme Court agrees with us. Have you even considered that you and Sen. Obama have listened to Sarah Brady and Sen. Feinstein a little too long? By the proposed DC regulations a Henry, 1860 lever action, Civil War rifle qualifies as a machine gun. Mayor, you already looked foolish for wasting taxpayer money on this. now you''re looking dumb. Go find something else to do.
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by jijalagi July 6, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
I find kindrex remarks to be amusing. My wife and I went to the range this morning. She handled her new .357 quite well. She usually carries a .45 as does my 5''0" daughter. It%u2019s tough to be macho in my family. I have to try harder than most men.
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by voidmaster-2009 July 6, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
I sincerely hope they do not re-enact some sort of gun ban in DC. It could destroy my illegal gun business.
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by voidmaster-2009 July 6, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
Oops. Meant to say, hope they DO re-enact....
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by wardoglrs July 6, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
"Arms are the only true badges of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave."

"The unarmed man is not just defenseless, he is also contemptible." Machiavelli

"Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen." Jeff Cooper,
The Art of The Rifle

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin.
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by wardoglrs July 6, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson


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by frankbowers July 6, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
i think the governing body in DC shold just out law any and all bullets either self loaded or purchased then the gun lobbist would be happy they could sell quad 50''s but banning the ownership of ammo. is not covered by the constitution it just speaks of bearing arms and fails to mention ammo of any kind. so the council could ban ammo and the citizens with such could be arrested on the spot. Frank
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