SANTA BARBARA, Calif., July 5, 2008

Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts

While Milder Weather Aids Firefighters Near Big Sur, New Fire Is Sparked In Malibu

    • Firefighters watch as a brush fire burns out of control in the Santa Ynez Mountains near Goleta, Calif., on Saturday July 5, 2008. A slew of wildfires, most ignited by lightning two weeks ago, have burned more than 800 square miles of land throughout California. The blazes have destroyed at least 67 homes and other buildings and contributed to the death of a firefighter who suffered a heart attack while digging fire lines. Photo

      Firefighters watch as a brush fire burns out of control in the Santa Ynez Mountains near Goleta, Calif., on Saturday July 5, 2008. A slew of wildfires, most ignited by lightning two weeks ago, have burned more than 800 square miles of land throughout California. The blazes have destroyed at least 67 homes and other buildings and contributed to the death of a firefighter who suffered a heart attack while digging fire lines.  (AP Photo/Phil Klein)

    • Firefighters work a brush fire burning out of control in the Santa Ynez Mountains near Goleta, Calif., on Saturday July 5, 2008. A slew of wildfires, most ignited by lightning two weeks ago, have burned more than 800 square miles of land throughout California. The blazes have destroyed at least 67 homes and other buildings and contributed to the death of a firefighter who suffered a heart attack while digging fire lines. Photo

      Firefighters work a brush fire burning out of control in the Santa Ynez Mountains near Goleta, Calif., on Saturday July 5, 2008. A slew of wildfires, most ignited by lightning two weeks ago, have burned more than 800 square miles of land throughout California. The blazes have destroyed at least 67 homes and other buildings and contributed to the death of a firefighter who suffered a heart attack while digging fire lines.  (AP Photo/Phil Klein)

    • Firefighters watch as a brush fire burns out of control in the Santa Ynez Mountains near Goleta, Calif., on Saturday July 5, 2008. Photo

      Firefighters watch as a brush fire burns out of control in the Santa Ynez Mountains near Goleta, Calif., on Saturday July 5, 2008.  (AP Photo/Phil Klein)

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(CBS/AP)  The ferocious Gap Fire is still raging uncontained in southern California's Los Padres National Forest, not far from hillside homes near Goleta.

More than a thousand firefighters are hampered by wicked winds that can whip through vegetation in areas that haven’t burned in up to a hundred years, reports CBS News correspondent Bill Whitaker. Hills that are bone dry are fueling these hot spots.

Up the coast, the other huge fire still rages near Big Sur. Firefighters continue to light backfires and clear brush, but so far containment is only a dream.

And as the fire creeps closer to empty resort areas, evacuees mourn the holiday weekend that wasn't.

"Now it's just getting a little too bad, too close," evacuee Brandy Ackerman told CBS News. "At night it's beautiful, but it's really scary."

So scary - and firefighters so weary - that for the first time in 30 years, the National Guard is being called in to join them on the front lines.

Guardsman Ron Camlim said, "When you call the National Guardsmen, you know, it's kind of reached a point where, okay, more help is needed than usual."

And then late yesterday, bad news in Malibu: a new fire broke out, requiring firefighting resources already stretched to the max.

All this, months before fire season 2008 was supposed to begin.


Battling The Gap Fire

Big Sur remained eerily empty under a thick blanket of fog and smoke at the start of the long holiday weekend.

No more properties were lost, but the density of the parched terrain allowed the nearly two-week-old wildfire to keep advancing on the storied tourist town, where flames were making their way toward scenic Highway 1 and sending forest creatures running toward the Pacific Ocean for cover.

Hundreds of firefighters lit controlled fires along Highway 1 in a final effort to stop the Big Sur fire from crossing the highway where many more homes and businesses are located.

"We're fighting the fire on our terms," U.S. Forest Service fire engineer Hector Sanchez said. "We're lighting it slowly, and if we see it get out of hand we'll slow it down. It's perfect conditions, we don't have winds and we have cool temperatures."

The Big Sur fire was still 5 percent contained and had consumed more than 105 square miles and 20 homes, while the Goleta fire was 14 percent contained and had destroyed about a half-dozen out buildings and more than 10 square miles.

The Los Padres blazes were two of 335 active wildfires burning in California, down from a peak of roughly 1,500 fires a few days ago, but they were commanding the greatest share of equipment and personnel because of their locations near populated areas, said Daniel Berlant, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.

"Any time we have structures threatened and lives at risk, it's a top priority," he said.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered another 200 National Guard troops to report for firefighter training at a former Air Force base in Sacramento and then working a fire in Mendocino County early next week.

When they complete the training, they will join 200 National Guard soldiers who already were deployed to build fire lines. More than 19,000 people were working to control blazes throughout the state.

"These additional soldiers will bring much needed assistance to the efforts of the firefighters who continue to tirelessly battle the blazes across California," Schwarzenegger said.

Since a series of dry lightning strikes ignited more than 1,500 wildfires across central and Northern California on June 21, more than 520,000 acres, or 815 square miles, of range and forest land has gone up in flames.

Along with the Goleta and Big Sur fires, another blaze generating concern was burning in the Sequoia National Forest east of Bakersfield, where a wind-driven wildfire had burned about 30 square miles, destroyed one home and threatened 1,000 more in nearby communities. It was 18 percent contained.

In Arizona, officials said a blaze southeast of Prescott had burned four homes since it broke out June 28. The blaze has forced the evacuation of the mountain town of Crown King and was half contained Friday night.

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by berniepeders July 5, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
I still can''t feel sorry for anyone who builds or re-builds a home in that fire-prone area. Fires sweep through the area year after year, and people keep building homes there. Ever hear of fire-proof materials? Nature weeding out the stupid, I guess.
Peace
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by rushlimbaug4 July 5, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
I still can''''t feel sorry for anyone who builds or re-builds a home in that fire-prone area. Fires sweep through the area year after year, and people keep building homes there. Ever hear of fire-proof materials? Nature weeding out the stupid, I guess.
Peace

Posted by berniepeders at 09:25 AM : Jul 05, 2008

Spoken like a true Eco-Terrorist. LISTEN PAL we live in a Capitalist society so if I want to start build on the still smoldering scorched earth, it is my GOD given right!!! And should fire come around again later in the season I will expect the tax payer to foot the bill for protecting MY PRIVATE PROPERTY that I worked so hard to build.

God bless all those ingenious people who have emigrants building their homes on vertical cliffs or next to flood prone river banks and sink holes!
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
Does a Nation answer to God?

GEORGE MASON
The father of the bill of rights.

%u201CAs nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this, by an inevitable chain of causes & effects, providence punishes national sins by national calamities.%u201D
God will deal with a nation here and now!
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 10:33 AM PDT
Time, Today
Place,
We are looking at the statue of liberty? You see she has been wounded and there is no one who can stop her from bleeding? God can you help Miss Liberty from bleeding? The flame that she holds has been put out by people like us who just want what we want? We want the wrong that we do without the consequences? We want to shed the liberty of truth to other lands by our diplomacy but there is no one shedding the liberty to our own that are starving, homeless and dying! Yes Miss Liberty is dying and only God can stop her from bleeding! Lets help others in strange lands to know we are there but lets not let someone here know that she is here for them!
Miss liberty idea for liberty for all I thought was those who hold the truths of our founding fathers to be self evident a belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ to bring salvation to an individual and a country. Not a butchery of innocent babies who only crime in life is that they exist in the mother%u2019s womb who wants to love and be loved! We do not care for the lives of our men losing their lives in strange lands for a cause few understand there that it is liberty one should choose to guide their cause. Will anyone out there shed a tear for Miss Liberty when she is no more?
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 10:34 AM PDT
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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by meganthatch July 5, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:15 AM PDT
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?

Posted by Providence_J at 10:34 AM : Jul 05, 2008;

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Sure, lets turn to allegorical myth for the answer. The end of the world has been around the corner for 2000 thousand years, right?

Only an idiot would take our self our fulfilling prophecy and turn it into some sort of religious revelation. What you have done is release your self from all responsibility for any economy, social and environment upheaval. It must be nice to blame your invisible friend any time something does not go right for you or make sense in you tiny ignorant world.

Posted by curse914 at 11:11 AM : Jul 05, 2008

But what if it is the real answer that you just do not want to take? I can understand you tackling the issue with just your reasoning. I tackle the issue with my reasoning but also in the power and love of almighty God.
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
Does a Nation answer to God?

GEORGE MASON
The father of the bill of rights. Says,

As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this, by an inevitable chain of causes & effects, providence punishes national sins by national calamities.
God will deal with a nation here and now
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:32 AM PDT
Jesus left we all know that? True he is right now with the Father? But he has sent another one called to help you all to understand? What another? Yes! The Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in Jesus''s name? Yes the truth of the matter is the world will not know him because it really does not want to know Jesus? But if a person is really searching for truth, not my truth, He or She can ask Jesus to show them the way and he most certainly will!
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 11:35 AM PDT
I worked in a clinic during one of the Los Padres fires. The injuries to the firefighters were confined mainly to rattlesnake bites and inhalation of burning poison oak smoke.

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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
Jesus paid your sin debt? So you can either face God with your sins on you or you can call on Jesus right now and face God with all your sins on him? This allows you to have a personal relationship with God!
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
I believe in Spinoza''s God.
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
Does a Nation answer to God?

GEORGE MASON
The father of the bill of rights. Says,

As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this, by an inevitable chain of causes & effects, providence punishes national sins by national calamities.
God will deal with a nation here and now
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
Does a Nation answer to God?

GEORGE MASON
The father of the bill of rights. Says,

"As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this, by an inevitable chain of causes & effects, providence punishes national sins by national calamities.
God will deal with a nation here and now" Posted by Providence
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So, George Mason was channelling God?
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
I believe in Spinoza''''s God.

Posted by barbaraf4 at 11:43 AM : Jul 05, 2008

Thats Ok for you?
But I believe in Jesus who has made himself known to me in intimacy through my choice to say yes Lord Jesus I need you. So at the end of the day the reality of the Lord in my life is known in my heart because I have been born again. I hope you have the reality of assurance in your life by your God Because life is short barbaraf4 and I want a real truth that is in my life now by Gods grace! Jesus can show you the reality of him having a personal relationship with you if you let him!
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
Providence_J

I''m pretty sure we know exactly what your beliefs are.

In reality, I am also a Christian; however, I do not have to ram my beliefs down the throats of everyone who will take a moment to listen. My beliefs are expressed by my actions.
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 11:54 AM PDT
Providence_J

Lighten up! If everything you fear is really coming to pass, there is not a thing you can do about it except hope your faith is strong enough to see you through. So get over it and enjoy what you have left.

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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:55 AM PDT
Providence_J

I''''m pretty sure we know exactly what your beliefs are.

In reality, I am also a Christian; however, I do not have to ram my beliefs down the throats of everyone who will take a moment to listen. My beliefs are expressed by my actions.

Posted by barbaraf4 at 11:51 AM : Jul 05, 2008

How are you a Christian?
Because Jesus says in Joh 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Have you been born again or are you just calling yourself a Christian?
Please I really want to know?
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
Providence_J

None of your business. If we look at it your way, the questions you ask are between me and my God.
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
How are you a Christian?
Because Jesus says in Joh 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Have you been born again or are you just calling yourself a Christian?
Please I really want to know?


Everyone always wants to belong to the in crowd? So the in crowd is to call ones self a Christian?
But according to Jesus one must be born again!
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
"Everyone always wants to belong to the in crowd? So the in crowd is to call ones self a Christian?
But according to Jesus one must be born again!" Posted by Providence_J
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Babies, children, mentally handicapped and all the other outcasts get to belong to my church. Nothing elitest where I come from.
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by providence_j July 5, 2008 12:03 PM PDT
Providence_J

None of your business. If we look at it your way, the questions you ask are between me and my God.

Posted by barbaraf4 at 11:57 AM : Jul 05, 2008

This answer, I at least will tell you the truth, is not a legit answer? Are you legit in your relationship with the Lord? Ask yourself do you know that you know that the Lord knows you? The answer is found in Romans 10:8-13.
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by jimfinster July 5, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
With all the movie decadence and gay marriage in Calif., maybe the Almighty has had enough of Sodom and HOllywood and decided that is "all folks." Warning, if you are leaving Calif, don''''t look back as Lot''''s wife did!

Posted by linymo


How about all the recent floods in the midwest? That is bible belt country.

Having an imaginary friend (or enemy) in the sky does not seem to matter when natural disasters hit, LOL !




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by lloydbest1 July 5, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
Providence_J claims to be a Christian.
Globalcool08 claims to be a Christian.
Barbaraf4 claims to be a Christian.

All three are right. All three ARE Christian. All that is necessary is they recognize Jesus at the ultimate father figure and live according to His will.
I will let others determine the quality of their Christianity and let their words and actions determine how closely any or all of them adhere to tenets of decent Christian life.

How did we get so far off topic, anyway? I suppose pereferally, we still sort of on the topic. But while the debate rages on as to whether God has a hand in this disaster, we need to take note that there are people whose homes are threatened or gone. There are people who are at risk of being killed by this thing.
One way to help is send a small donation to the San Benito-Monterey County Chapter of the American Red Cross. They have a web page (http://www.montereyarc.org/) and a tab one can click on to send a little money on-line. Be sure to earmark it for LOCAL services so it will stay in the two county area.
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by lloydbest1 July 5, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
"...I suppose pereferally...." Posted by LloydBest1 at 01:23 PM : Jul 05, 2008

I meant "peripherally". Stupid keyboard, anyway
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by providence_t July 5, 2008 1:42 PM PDT
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
By calling on God and changing the things in America contrary to his will like first stopping abortions! Second saying not to sodomites being recognized as a married couples, which twist the minds of our youth!

Remember Molech?(Killing of newborns from the mothers)
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?

God loves everyone but hates the sinful ways of man!
Thats why Jesus went to the cross to pay our debt. Now we can ask Jesus to be our Lord and Savior! Because of our sin debt!
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by desertaries July 5, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
Seems many Christians quote the Old Testament when looking for rationalizations for events. Well, if the Old Testament is that important, why do these same Christians eat pork and refuse to stone adulterers?
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 2:33 PM PDT
Well, I had to run a few errands, but it looks like we are stuck exactly where we were when I left. How''s the fire going? (not the religious one, the Big Sur one).
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
"Providence_J claims to be a Christian.
Globalcool08 claims to be a Christian.
Barbaraf4 claims to be a Christian." Posted by LloydBest1
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The reason I do not preach salvation is because when you glaze over and start hyperventilating, people back away and take you for the crackpot you appear to be. You don''t get a chance to be heard because you offend the very people you seek to help. Not everyone needs to be "saved" and there are many paths to God.
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
"Providence_J claims to be a Christian.
Globalcool08 claims to be a Christian.
Barbaraf4 claims to be a Christian." Posted by LloydBest1
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The reason I do not preach salvation is because when you glaze over and start hyperventilating, people back away and take you for the crackpot you appear to be. You don''''t get a chance to be heard because you offend the very people you seek to help. Not everyone needs to be "saved" and there are many paths to God.

Posted by barbaraf4 at 02:41 PM : Jul 05, 2008

You just called Jesus a liar!
Because Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father but by me."
And Jesus said "All who came before me were thieves and liars!

barbaraf4 are you calling Jesus a liar?
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by taotxzen July 5, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
With all the movie decadence and gay marriage in Calif., maybe the Almighty has had enough of Sodom and HOllywood and decided that is "all folks." Warning, if you are leaving Calif, don''t look back as Lot''s wife did!

Posted by linymo

How is life after Enron treating you?

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by providence_f July 5, 2008 2:59 PM PDT
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy, gas prices food prices no jobs losing of homes? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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by taotxzen July 5, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
With all the movie decadence and gay marriage in Calif., maybe the Almighty has had enough of Sodom and HOllywood and decided that is "all folks." Warning, if you are leaving Calif, don''''t look back as Lot''''s wife did!

Posted by linymo

You people who claim to be so ''righteous'' absolutely floor me, you are far from spiritual. You set in constant judgement of your fellow man, if you recall Jesus spent most of his time with social outcast, the same that you condem. Your version of Christianity has no compassion, no smapthy - see California quotes. You are so stuck on your own self-righteousness that miss the entire message, love and compassion is what is needed in the world not hate and hypocrisy.
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
love and compassion is what is needed in the world not hate and hypocrisy.

Posted by taotxzen at 03:00 PM : Jul 05, 2008
Your missing the message of the cross? The cross is the finish work of Jesus Christ?
It was Gods justice that Jesus would die for sin. It was Gods wisdom for this His plan was his love for us his power saves us!
The sin in our lives is there period its in our nature. The way of salvation is available to all this is Gods grace! But you have to decide do you want a relationship or self? the choice is yours?
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by ubrew12 July 5, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
taotxzen said: "You people who claim to be so ''righteous'' absolutely floor me, you are far from spiritual. You set in constant judgement of your fellow man,"

Its Christian ethics 101:
When bad things happen to me, Satan must be at work.
When bad things happen to you, its Gods Sweet Justice!
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
Its Christian ethics 101:
When bad things happen to me, I may be just wanting what I want.
When bad things happen to you, it may be because of sins consequence!

Posted by ubrew12 at 03:15 PM : Jul 05, 2008

I know this is what the world has left you with
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
"barbaraf4 are you calling Jesus a liar?" Posted by Providence_F
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I have to admit I admire your tenacity; however you really need to get a life outside of your Bible. Remember me? I''m the one who professes to be a Christian. You have no idea of how my religion manifests in my life (because I told you it was none of your business). So, go find an athiest to harrass.
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
Not everyone needs to be "saved" and there are many paths to God.

Posted by barbaraf4 at 02:41 PM : Jul 05, 2008

You just called Jesus a liar!
Because Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father but by me."
And Jesus said "All who came before me were thieves and liars!

barbaraf4 are you calling Jesus a liar?
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 3:26 PM PDT
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy, gas prices food prices no jobs losing of homes? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
Has anyone noticed the National Guard has been called in to help fight the fire? I wasn''t sure we had any National Guard in the US. Hopefully they can help!
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
barbaraf4 are you calling Jesus a liar?

Posted by Providence_F at 03:25 PM : Jul 05, 2008

In other words some poor ba5tard who was raised with an entirely different belief system who has done no evil will still burn in hell.

Any man who thinks that he is so special as to know gods mind that he has the stones to write it down in a book is the epitome of arrogance and hubris.

I like how you put that.
But God got you on this point as well?
*** 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
God will reveal himself to all. The sad thing is self gets into the way. We say no to God? There is no devil no demon who can stop the message of the cross from an individual who chooses no to self and yes to him!
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by taotxzen July 5, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
I have lived in Texas and California. And I will gladly take the quakes and wild fires over an infestation of self-righteous, Southern Baptist every-time.
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
I have lived in Texas and California. And I will gladly take the quakes and wild fires over an infestation of self-righteous, Southern Baptist every-time.

Posted by taotxzen at 03:40 PM : Jul 05, 2008

God hates sin!
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy, gas prices food prices no jobs losing of homes? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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by barbaraf4 July 5, 2008 3:51 PM PDT
"I have lived in Texas and California. And I will gladly take the quakes and wild fires over an infestation of self-righteous, Southern Baptist every-time." Posted by taotxzen
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I thoroughly agree.
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by taotxzen July 5, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
Here is an example of what happens when you focus so much on the metaphor that you miss the message entirely:

"There''s a wonderful story of the God who is walking down the road wearing a hat that is colored red on one side and blue on the other side. When the farmers in the field go into the village in the evening, they say, "Did you see that god with the blue hat?" And the others say, "No, no, he had a red hat on." And they get into a fight. He makes it even worse by first walking in one direction and then turning around and turning his hat around, too, so that again it will be red or blue. Then when these two chaps get into a fight and are brought before the king for judgment, this trickster god appears, and he says, "It''s my fault, I did it, and I meant to do it. Spreading strife is my greatest joy."
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 3:58 PM PDT
Posted by taotxzen at 03:55 PM : Jul 05, 2008
osted by barbaraf4 at 03:32 PM : Jul 05, 2008

Is it to hard for you to ask God to intercede for us and stop these fires as well, seeing this is another way you can help? Look up and ask his hand to stop the winds?
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy, gas prices food prices no jobs losing of homes? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
Jesus stopped the winds while he was in a boat!
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by providence_f July 5, 2008 4:02 PM PDT
Lord Jesus please stop the strong wind there in California.
Strong Winds Hamper Calif. Fire Efforts? We have fires, floods, tornadoes, crime and a bad economy, gas prices food prices no jobs losing of homes? Sounds a bit like Pharaoh saying no to God when Moses told him about the Lord?
Maybe, if we wanted a healthier better America we should turn to God to heal our land? Just think? It happened another time in the annuals of history? Yeah God was going to destroy this place called Nineveh and the people repented and God spared them. We could do this in America?
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