False Obama Rumors Fly In Flag City USA

Washington Post: Voters In Findlay, Ohio, Represent Challenges Faced By Obama In Clarifying His Past

(Washingtonpost.com)  This story was written by Eli Saslow.

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On his corner of College Street, Jim Peterman stares at the four American flags planted in his front lawn and rubs his forehead. Peterman, 74, is a retired worker at Cooper Tire, a father of two, an Air Force veteran and a self-described patriot. He took one trip to Washington in 1989 -- best vacation of his life -- and bought a statue of the Washington Monument that he still displays in a glass case in his living room.

He believes a smart vote is an American's greatest responsibility. Which is why his confusion about Barack Obama continues to eat at him.

On the television in his living room, Peterman has watched enough news and campaign advertisements to hear the truth: Sen. Barack Obama, born in Hawaii, is a Christian family man with a track record of public service. But on the Internet, in his grocery store, at his neighbor's house, at his son's auto shop, Peterman has also absorbed another version of the Democratic candidate's background, one that is entirely false: Barack Obama, born in Africa, is a possibly gay Muslim racist who refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

"It's like you're hearing about two different men with nothing in common," Peterman said. "It makes it impossible to figure out what's true, or what you can believe."

Here in Findlay, a Rust Belt town of 40,000, false rumors about Obama have built enough word-of-mouth credibility to harden into an alternative biography. Born on the Internet, the rumors now meander freely across the flatlands of northwest Ohio -- through bars and baseball fields, retirement homes and restaurants.

Faced with polling that shows about one in 10 Americans thinks Obama is Muslim, the candidate's campaign has launched an aggressive effort to discredit rumors and clarify Obama's past. It created a "Fight the Smears" Web site and a new television ad that reiterates Obama's Christian faith, patriotism and family background. Dozens of volunteers have been sent to Ohio five months in advance of the election so they can spend extra time educating voters.

But on Peterman's block in Findlay, the campaign's efforts may already be too late. A swing voter who entered this election leaning Democratic, Peterson faces a decision that is no longer so simple as a choice between Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain, he said. First, he must pick the version of Obama on which he will stake his vote.

Does he choose to trust a TV commercial in which Obama talks about his "love of country"? Or his neighbor of 40 years, Don LeMaster, a Navy veteran who heard from a friend in Toledo that Obama refuses to wear an American-flag pin?

Does he trust a local newspaper article that details Obama's Christian faith? Or his friend Leroy Pollard, a devoted family man so convinced Obama is a radical Muslim that he threatened to stop talking to his daughter when he heard she might vote for him?

"I'll admit that I probably don't follow all of the election news like maybe I should," Peterman said. "I haven't read his books or studied up more than a little bit. But it's hard to ignore what you hear when everybody you know is saying it. These are good people, smart people, so can they really all be wrong?"

Peterman bought his single-story house here in 1959, a few months after he left the Air Force and married. His wife, Mildred, had grown up in Findlay, and they never considered moving anywhere else. On College Street, the couple found all the hallmarks of America's heartland: a house for $9,000; a neighborhood where their two boys, one handicapped, could play outside after dark; a stady "pencil-pushing" job up the road for Jim at Cooper Tire headquarters.

The neighborhood built up around them. Leroy and Wanda Pollard came in 1962, drawn from southern Ohio by a booming auto industry that offered Leroy plenty of work as a mechanic. Mary Dunson bought the place next door in 1963. Don LeMaster, a police officer, moved in up the street with his wife, Margaret, in 1970.

Every newcomer to the block was white, working-class and Midwestern, and the neighborhood jelled easily. They babysat for one another. They complained to one another about their teenagers. They helped raise one another's grandkids. In all, seven different families have lived on the same block of College Street for at least 35 years.

"We all just found a great place at a great time," Leroy Pollard said.

Peterman hung the American flag on his porch first, in 1960, and the rest of College Street followed his example. By 1980, patriotic displays had grown into an unspoken contest of one-upmanship. Sixty flags planted in one yard on Memorial Day; a living-room window painted red, white and blue; a Buckeye tree decorated with Christmas ornaments celebrating Americana; a gigantic plastic unicorn perched on a front porch and draped in an American flag.

The entire block -- and, soon, the entire town -- shared in unabashed pride and gratefulness for the country that had given them this place. In 1968, a local congressman persuaded the House of Representatives to officially declare Findlay as Flag City, USA.

But with their pride came a nasty undercurrent, one that Obama's candidacy has exacerbated: On College Street, nobody wanted anything to change. As the years passed, Peterman and his neighbors approached one another to share in their skepticism about the unknown. What was the story behind the handful of African Americans who had moved into a town that is 93 percent white? Why were Japanese businessmen coming in to run the local manufacturing plants? Who in the world was this Obama character, running for president with that funny-sounding last name?

"People in Findlay are kind of funny about change," said Republican Mayor Pete Sehnert, a retired police officer who ran for the office on a whim last year. "They always want things the way they were, and any kind of development is always viewed as making things worse, a bad thing."

When people on College Street started hearing rumors about Obama -- who looked different from other politicians and often talked about change -- they easily believed the nasty stories about an outsider.

"I think Obama would be a disaster, and there's a lot of reasons," said Pollard, explaining the rumors he had heard about the candidate from friends he goes camping with. "I understand he's from Africa, and that the first thing he's going to do if he gets into office is bring his family over here, illegally. He's got that racist [pastor] who practically raised him, and then there's the Muslim thing. He's just not presidential material, if you ask me."

Said Don LeMaster: "He's a good speaker, but you've got to dig deeper than that for the truth. Politicians tell you anything. You have look beyond the surface, and then there are some real lies."

Said Jeanette Collins, a 77-year-old who lives across the street: "All I know for sure about Obama is that we're not ready for him."

Only one man on College Street remains open-minded, and recently even Peterman has started to sway. Like most of his neighbors, he dislikes McCain for his stance on the Iraq war and would like to cast his vote for a president who will bring the troops home. But on a recent visit to his son's auto shop, Peterman overheard misinformed customers talking again about a Muslim in the White Huse.

"I don't know. The whole thing just scares me," Peterman said. "I'm almost starting to feel like the best choice is not voting at all."

So far, those who have pushed the truth in Findlay have been rewarded with little that resembles progress. Gerri Kish, a 66-year-old born in Hawaii, read both of Obama's autobiographies. She has close friends, she said, who still refuse to believe her when she swears Obama is Christian. Then she hands them the books, and they refuse to read them. "They just want to believe what they believe," she said. "Nothing gets through to them."

The new advertisement running in Findlay, in which Obama is pictured with his white mother and white grandparents as he talks about developing a "deep and abiding faith in the country I love" while growing up in the Kansas heartland, is dismissed by residents of College Street as the desperate lies of another dishonest Washington politician. And they say that Obama's moves to put distance between himself and the Muslim community, with his campaign declining invitations to visit mosques and Obama volunteers removing two women in head scarves from the camera range at a rally in Detroit earlier this month are just a too-late effort to disguise his true beliefs.

For the past month, two students from the University of Findlay have spent their Tuesday nights walking from door to door in the city to tell voters about Obama. Erik Cramer and Sarah Everly target Democrats and swing voters exclusively, but they've still experienced mixed results. Sometimes, at a front door, they mention their purpose only to have a dozen rumors thrown back at them and the door slammed. "People tell us that we're in the wrong town," Everly said.

Soon, on a Tuesday night, they'll walk down College Street -- past the American flags, past the LeMasters, past the Pollards -- and knock on Jim Peterman's front door. They will ask for two minutes of his time, and Peterman will give it to them. He will listen to their story, weighing facts against fiction. For a few minutes, he might even believe them.

Then he'll close his door and go inside, back to his life. Back to his grocery store, back to his son's auto shop, back to the gossip on College Street. Back to the rumors again.

[cbs4me3]

Joe Biden has graciously extended his hand to be Obama''s VP to plug the gap and fill the void on national security since Obama has zip experience on national security (or any other issue for that matter). How many of these plugs will be needed to fill all the gaps, and what happens if these plugs fail. Who will be held accountable since the head guy lacks experience and a record of accomplishment.

[faith_in_w]

Hey did you hear the latest about Barak Obama? He was born in Africa, is a possibly gay Muslim racist who refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

[lukebize]

i "I''ll admit that I probably don''t follow all of the election news like maybe I should," Peterman said. "[...] These are good people, smart people, so can they really all be wrong?" /i

If they are spreading lies as absolute truth, if they threaten to disown their children as a result of these lies, how "good" and "smart" can they be?

[omega39-2009]

Who will be held accountable since the head guy lacks experience and a record of accomplishment.

Posted by cbs4me3

We''ve started holding presidents accountable again? When did that happen?

[faith_in_w]

Oh and Barak Obama had herpes and AIDs.

[faith_in_w]

omega39, everytime a democrat wins, we hold them accountable.

[omega39-2009]

omega39, everytime a democrat wins, we hold them accountable.

Posted by faith_in_w

LOL! Silly me!

[samthetvcat]

75 year olds have social security and medicare and seem to wish life was like the way it was when they were younger . . . I''m not sure there''s much Barack can do to win over this type of vote. I think the counter is that he appeals to we younger voters in a way that McSame does not (?)

Although it would be interesting what would happen if Barack were to take this story and run with it, and pay a visit to flag city USA and campaign door to door. Cozy neighborhoods rock! But they also don''t have a lot of excitement. Having a presidential candidate come to town and make them feel important might feel like the experience of a lifetime for people who maybe feel like their best years are in the past (?)

[samthetvcat]

---"How many of these plugs will be needed to fill all the gaps, and what happens if these plugs fail"---
Posted by cbs4me3

Ugh, that''s why I don''t like that ''plug the gap'' theory of picking a VP. The flipside is that it makes the candidate look like they''re ''lacking'' in comparison.

Also, like I''ve said before it may not be good enough to have the credentials on paper - doesn''t the person also have to be able to sell it? Biden was on Meet the Press last week and kind of got panned for his performance. And Wesley Clark tried to do the standard competition thing of weakening the opponent''s strengths and is totally coming under fire for his approach. It''s one thing to have experienced people assigned to areas in which their expertise is needed, but if it doesn''t come across as an asset on the campaign trail then yeah maybe they end up being a net negative.

I kind of like the idea of Barack just doubling down on his strengths by picking somebody just like him like a Robert Wexler type who''s good on tv. I don''t know though . . .

[omega39-2009]

75 year olds have social security and medicare and seem to wish life was like the way it was when they were younger . . . I''''m not sure there''''s much Barack can do to win over this type of vote. I think the counter is that he appeals to we younger voters in a way that McSame does not (?)

Posted by SamTheTVCat

A lot of those older voters grew up in a time where racism was more of the norm. OTOH, many of those same voters are on small fixed incomes and suffering from the inflation of energy and food prices. It will be interesting to see if they vote for a black candidate or against their own economic self interests.

[samthetvcat]

-----"A lot of those older voters grew up in a time where racism was more of the norm. OTOH, many of those same voters are on small fixed incomes and suffering from the inflation of energy and food prices. It will be interesting to see if they vote for a black candidate or against their own economic self interests."-----
Posted by omega39

Yeah - it kind of sounds like that''s part of the ''change'' they''re having problems with . . . I''m still optimistic though that if they met with Barack personally, that might just all melt away and they might get excited about the election. Maybe that''s too optimistic (?) Guess yeah we''ll have to wait and see . . .

[jack3213]

Prove the rumours are not false. Just saying they are not true is not good enough. Just saying you want "Change" is not descring how you will do that. Talk is cheap- Change can be very bad. Rumours can be true. Obama : NO, HE CAN''T.

[creeper00]

To the Editors at CBSNews:

This is your second story in three days centered on Obama rumors making the rounds.

Where was this concern for the truth during the campaign? Where were the stories decrying the sexism?

We have Barack Obama as the presumptive nominee because of the efforts of the mainstream media, not because he is the most qualified. Whatever happened to honest journalism?

[johnny343sc]

THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE IS SO BIASED, I''LL BET HE --STILL- THINKS OJ SIMPSON DIDN''T COMMIT MURDER.

THE WASHINGTON POST IS JUST ANOTHER LIBERAL RAG OF DISINFORMATION. SO IS ''COMMUNIST BROADCASTING SERVICE''

YOU KNOW IT IS TRUE!

;)

[jlagat]

"Or his friend Leroy Pollard, a devoted family man so convinced Obama is a radical Muslim that he threatened to stop talking to his daughter when he heard she might vote for him?"

I laughed here. A ''devoted family man'' that would stop talking to his daughter becuase of her vote?
What this article calls a ''devoted family man'', most of America would call this guy a joke.

[notblue]

This artice is a shining example of the liberal biased mainstream media, it will be interesting to see if the presumptive Republican nominee will get the same support.

[faith_in_w]

fenner, thats because Obama is a space alien from the planet Alpha Centuri sent here to take over and destroy the Earth.

[aldon61]

"I don''t know. The whole thing just scares me," Peterman said. "I''m almost starting to feel like the best choice is not voting at all."

That would be the worst choice possible. Only once have I failed to vote in a national election. In 1972 I was faced with a crook or a communist, in other words, Nixon and McGovern. I couldn''t vote for one and I wouldn''t vote for the other; I had to keep silent for 2 full years because I didn''t take part in the process. I don;t care who this man votes for, but he needs to cast his ballot. Too many people have
died for our right to vote, to not vote dishonors
their sacrifice!

[jack3213]

nokoolaid- First_ by eliminating the idiots of the world like yourself- Second- by written proof,signed papers, photo''s, etc... you moron.

[creeper00]

"The new advertisement running in Findlay, in which Obama is pictured with his white mother and white grandparents as he talks about developing a "deep and abiding faith in the country I love" while growing up in the Kansas heartland, is dismissed by residents of College Street as the desperate lies of another dishonest Washington politician."

The residents of College Street are smarter than the ones in the ivory tower at CBS. Barack Obama did NOT "grow up in the Kansas heartland". He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. That ad he''s running with the so-called "truth" is a bald-faced lie.

Johnny343sc is right. This story is biased beyond credibility.

[mcvet]

This artice is a shining example of the liberal biased mainstream media, it will be interesting to see if the presumptive Republican nominee will get the same support.

Posted by notblue at 10:23 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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People this POST is just PURE, no doubt about it, FASCISM!! Look at what this low life creature posted. Now THE rumors are LIES and the FREE PRESS has a responsibility under the American Way of life for as LONG as there has been a nation to EDUCATE the Public. So what does this trashy Nazi do?? HE attacks the PRESS, calling them "Liberal biased Mainstream Media"! WHY? Because they told the TRUTH.. PARTY has NOTHING to do with it and wouldn''t the nation be so much better off today IF they had dug out and reported the TRUTH about Iraq BEFORE so many died. TO this NAZI and all like him who wish to win no matter the cost, no matter the lie.. Here''s to you!! SIEG HEIL BUSH!!

[aldon61]

HOW IS THIS FALSE SINCE OBAMA REFUSES TO LET ANYONE BESIDES IS CAMP ANYWHERE NEAR THE SO-CALLED BIRTH CERTIFICATE? where is CBS'''' confirmation that his birth certificate is authentic?????????///


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Posted by fenner at 10:18 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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Quite simply put, this is an out and out LIE. Go to Obams''s web-site, his birth certificate is posted there for all to view. He was born in Hawaii.

[mcvet]

instead of confirmin the birth certificate story, i suggest cbs and all other media not go out on a limb claiming something to be not true until they can prove beyond a doubt that it isnt.


Posted by fenner at 10:26 AM : Jun 30, 2008

Rough on you Nazi''s isn''t it?? YOU, I''ll tell any lie, say anything to keep the "Party" in power Fascist, aren''t finding the sailing so easy this time huh?? Now stand.. let''s let Heir ROVE know you are doing what all good bootlickers should.... SIEG HEIL BUSH!!

[texanforlogi]

"I don''''t know. The whole thing just scares me," Peterman said. "I''''m almost starting to feel like the best choice is not voting at all."

That would be the worst choice possible. Only once have I failed to vote in a national election. In 1972 I was faced with a crook or a communist, in other words, Nixon and McGovern. I couldn''''t vote for one and I wouldn''''t vote for the other; I had to keep silent for 2 full years because I didn''''t take part in the process. I don;t care who this man votes for, but he needs to cast his ballot. Too many people have
died for our right to vote, to not vote dishonors
their sacrifice!


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Posted by aldon61 at 10:29 AM : Jun 30, 2008


Aldon, I have to disagree with you on this one. Our right to vote is sacred, true, but to cast a vote based on lies, smears, rumors, or fear is much more of a dishonor.

After the 2004 election, when ignorance and fear combined to elect the worst president in our history, I became a believer in that if you don''t care to research the facts, policies, and positions regarding the presidential candidates then you simply shouldn''t vote. An irresponsible vote is far worse than no vote. An irresponsible voter, including single-issue voters, is a liability to this country, as well as totally unAmerican.

[mcvet]

THIS IS RIDICULOUS THAT ANY MEDIA WOULD PROTECT THIS ONE GUY AND EXPOSE MILLIONS OF UNSUSPECTING AMERICANS WHO WILL GO OUT AND BLINDLY VOTE FOR HIM BASED ON THE HYPE OF THE MEDIA.

Posted by fenner at 10:28 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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How about we do what the CONSTITUTION says we should... YOU Nazi''s do remember the Constitution don''t you?? It says NO RELIGIOUS TEST shall EVER be applied... How about being American JUST ONCE!! NOW lets sing it out... You want everyone to know what you stand for don''t you?? ANY LIE, ANY story, ANYTHING to keep the Party in POWER!! SIEG HEIL!!

[wdrussell1]

Keep it up wack-jobs. The more you look like fools the more votes Sen.Obama gets.

[lochlan-2009]

"False Obama Rumors Fly In Flag City USA"

These anti-American, ignorant, neo-con, fascists, will say and do anything to keep this country on it''s current downward spiral into economic and moral depression. As far as I am concerned they are the terrorists.

[dmeade1020]

I''ve voted Democrat all my life (I''m 41), but like this guy, I''m starting to wonder now if not voting at all might be the only option.
They can say all they want, but here''s the video and actions speak louder than words.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

[dmeade1020]

I''ve voted Democrat all my life (I''m 41), but like this guy, I''m starting to wonder now if not voting at all might be the only option.
They can say all they want, but here''s the video and actions speak louder than words.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

[texanforlogi]

Posted by faith_in_w at 09:57 AM : Jun 30, 2008


Not funny, honey. Ten percent of Americans are actually dumb, naive, or just plain foolish enough to actually believe this crapola.

[jlagat]

Do you know another rumor I heard? Most Americans can''t afford $7/ gallon gasoline and planting flags on lawns do not pay the bills.

[taddles3]

"instead of confirmin the birth certificate story, i suggest cbs and all other media not go out on a limb claiming something to be not true until they can prove beyond a doubt that it isnt.

Posted by fenner at 10:26 AM : Jun 30, 2008"


Your contention is foolish. Because he knows some people who may be g4y that''s your proof that he is g4y?!? How stupid can you get.

He has a wife that''s he''s been very happily married to for 16 years with 2 kids. There''s no credible evidence to the contrary, only internet rumors. If all you have is foolish rumors then you really are a dolt.

[mcvet]

Quite simply put, this is an out and out LIE. Go to Obams''''s web-site, his birth certificate is posted there for all to view. He was born in Hawaii.

Posted by aldon61 at 10:34 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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LOL You think this I''ll say anything, do anything to keep the party in power Nazi cares about truth?? ROFLMAO Not a chance. A weapon to elect a government the PEOPLE do not want has been taken away... NOTHING will appease this clown... NOTHING!!

[omega39-2009]

Do you know another rumor I heard? Most Americans can''''t afford $7/ gallon gasoline and planting flags on lawns do not pay the bills.

Posted by jlagat at

C/r/a/p! There goes plan "B"! :)

[wdrussell1]

That is the problem MCVet, republicans like lies more than the truth. That is why they worship Bush.

[mcvet]

Posted by taddles3 at 10:40 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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Well they are desperate! When I recieve one of the e-mail''s, I simply turn around send it back to ALL who are on the list and TELL them the Truth... American Nazi''s are behind it and it''s a LIE, PLAIN and simple.

[bobmarisol]

Instead of worrying so much about rumors, Obama should be more concerned about people learning the TRUTH about him.

The truth about Obama is:

(1) He attended a church for 20 years under the teaching of a racist, anti-American pastor.

(2) When asked about his relationship with Bill Ayers, the terrorist that bombed the Pentagon, Obama said ''he is my friend.''

(3) Obama is also friends with Tony Rezko, who helped him buy his house. Rezko was recently convicted of several felony charges.

(4) Obama''s wife stated that she has never been proud of the USA until Barack ran for President. I suppose that defeating slavery, Nazis, Communists, and terrorists was not something to be proud of according to Michelle Obama.

[taddles3]

"this report should be instead questioning why has obama refused to explain WHY there is no signature or STATE SEAL on this birth certificate.

Posted by fenner at 10:38 AM : Jun 30, 2008"


There is no seal or signature because the birth certificate released to the public is a copy drafted on June 6th 2007.

[mcvet]

That is the problem MCVet, republicans like lies more than the truth. That is why they worship Bush.

Posted by WDRussell1 at 10:42 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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Yes but can we live through another leader who has been put there based on FRAUD! Do you have ANY idea what will happen if lies like this elect this tired old man?? He''s going to be DOA! No ONE is going to respect him and NO ONE is going to be willing to support him... ONCE people find out it was all LIES they''ll turn on him just like they have Bush. SIEG HEIL BUSH

[old300d]

That is so crazy ! ! !

They are saying and thinking crazy things about McCain too !

They are saying he is just like GWB ! Some people will believe anything !

[taddles3]

"Barack Obama or an immediate family member can plunk down $10 ($11.50 if he orders online) and have Hawaii mail a certified document to him within a week or two. "

Posted by fenner at 10:41 AM : Jun 30, 2008"


What do you think is posted on line...you''re not too smart are you.

[texanforlogi]

Faced with polling that shows about one in 10 Americans thinks Obama is Muslim,
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i guess this means that at lease ONE IN 10 wont put up with the MEDIA BULL?


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Posted by fenner at 10:40 AM : Jun 30, 2008


No, it means 1 in 10 Americans has the IQ of a grapefruit.
By the way, you DO know that provocateurs have a ticket straight downstairs, don''t you?

[aldon61]

NOTHING will appease this clown... NOTHING!!


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Posted by MCVet at 10:40 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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You''re probably right MCVet. Fenner has got to be the biggest liar and disseminator of untruths that I''ve run across on these boards. Nothing will change him, but I put the information out there so OTHERS can verify the inaccuraciesof th BS.

[mcvet]

Instead of worrying so much about rumors, Obama should be more concerned about people learning the TRUTH about him.

The truth about Obama is:

(1) He attended a church for 20 years under the teaching of a racist, anti-American pastor.

(2) When asked about his relationship with Bill Ayers, the terrorist that bombed the Pentagon, Obama said ''''he is my friend.''''

(3) Obama is also friends with Tony Rezko, who helped him buy his house. Rezko was recently convicted of several felony charges.

(4) Obama''''s wife stated that she has never been proud of the USA until Barack ran for President. I suppose that defeating slavery, Nazis, Communists, and terrorists was not something to be proud of according to Michelle Obama.

Posted by bobmarisol at 10:43 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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Oh PLEASE! Everyone can see that all you NAZI''s have is mud slinging... YOU can''t run on your record and you can''t address the issue''s. Don''t embarrass yourself... now lets stand and let ROVE hear ya!! SIEG HEIL BUSH It was the REPUBLICAN PARTY and JOHN McCain that put this nation in the mess it''s in. THE PEOPLE want to change course. The Fascist don''t want to do that so they create things like this. They did it with Bush and he couldn''t govern...does that matter?? Not to these losers... The Country doesn''t matter to them, it''s all about the "party".

[taddles3]

"The question is whether he can document that he was born in Hawaii and thus meet the requirements of the Constitution. "

Posted by fenner at 10:44 AM : Jun 30, 2008"


No the question is whether you can document that he wasn''t born in Hawaii. All the documents so far available show that he was in fact born in Hawaii in 1961. Unless you have some credible proof that those documents are false you really have nothing but a rumor, or a lie, whatever you want to call it. Either way, you end up looking like a fool.

[mcvet]

They are saying and thinking crazy things about McCain too !

They are saying he is just like GWB ! Some people will believe anything !

Posted by old300d at 10:45 AM : Jun 30, 2008
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Now Sparky! I''ve gone over McSame''s position on the ECONOMY, SOCIAL SECURITY, and ALL the other Issues that are really Important... I can find NO difference. Care to tell me where that difference is? IF he is no different then he should be linked. sieg heil bush

[texanforlogi]

Posted by aldon61 at 10:47 AM : Jun 30, 2008

Good job, aldon! Keep fighting the good fight and working to keep this honest. We need more posters like you.

[taddles3]

"i guess that''''s called anohter "obama" coincidence?

Posted by fenner at 10:47 AM : Jun 30, 2008"


I have a copy of my birth certificate and it does not have a seal or a signature what of it? Does that prove I''m not an American?

[taddles3]

"I don''''t understand ?

Posted by old300d at 10:49 AM : Jun 30, 2008"


Obviously

[credibility2]

This is what comes of a nobody, inexperienced and unqualified politician asserting himself into the presidential election when he''s barely a whisper and not a fully known and vetted candidate. This is probably the first time in recent history this has occurred. Obama and his supporters shouldn''t throw a hissy-fit over this and the rumor-mill; it''s their own fault for pushing this made-up candidate to the forefront and trying to cast him off as if he is unquestionable, qualified and suitable.