June 28, 2008

A Call To Selfishness

The Weekly Standard: MoveOn.org's Outrageous New Ad Plays On Heartstrings To Hide A Message Of Selfishness

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(Weekly Standard)  This column was written by Libby Sternberg.


IT'S EARLY IN THE presidential campaign to be getting all het up about outrageous ads that distort records or enflame passions. But a recent commercial sponsored by Moveon.org and AFSCME (American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees) has lit a fuse with me, maybe in part because it deals with military service, and I have a son who will be commissioned into the Air Force in a year.

In this ad, a young mother sits on the floor with her son Alex, whom she introduces to the viewing audience in general and John McCain in particular. In the tender, proud tone of mothers everywhere, she tells Sen. McCain and us about Alex, her firstborn--his sweet attributes and his effect on her own life. He is what makes her heart pound, she says.

And then, the money lines: So, John McCain, when you say you would stay in Iraq for 100 years, were you counting on Alex? Because if you were, you can't have him.

Please, Alex's mom, don't homeschool your child. Your social studies lessons might leave something to be desired.

It should be clear by now that Sen. McCain's "100 years" comment referred to peaceful base operations such as those we have in other parts of the world, not to a century-long war. So Alex's mom either doesn't pay attention to the news, has a problem with the military in general or with a President McCain in particular--or all of the above.

Whether it's a President McCain or a President Obama, though, military personnel swear allegiance first and foremost to protecting the Constitution, defending its values and rights against "all enemies, foreign or domestic."

If the majority of Americans decide the country's destiny is best directed by Sen. John McCain in 2008, then military personnel obey him as commander-in-chief. But they pledge to do so as part of their primary commitment to the rights embodied in the Constitution--our right to select the commander-in-chief being one of them.

It's true that sometimes we choose leaders unwisely. And sometimes even wise leaders make unwise decisions about foreign policy, with mothers everywhere paying the price. On that level, I completely understand Alex's mom's worry. Parents certainly have a right to be concerned about who their fellow citizens might choose to order their sons and daughters into harm's way.

But there are probably many military mothers who fret about what a Commander-in-Chief Obama might ask their sons and daughters to do. "President Obama, you can't have them," isn't a responsible answer to any orders he might give.

The Baby Alex ad's subtext is therefore strongly negative--ironic, considering its ultimate goal is probably to support the "yes, we can" candidate. Instead of appealing to the higher virtues of service to country regardless who's elected to lead it (embodied, by the way, in the life of the ad's target, Sen. John McCain), it plays on heartstrings to hide a message of selfishness: Count my family out of service to country unless perhaps I voted for the president in power.

Every time I see that Moveon spot, I start to fantasize about a response ad. It would feature that baby from the Etrade commercials, the one whose cool self-awareness is both odd and funny at the same time. He'd stare in the camera and tell viewers how he's signing up for the Armed Forces when he gets a chance. And then he'd say: "Hey--Alex! Don't worry, dude. I won't be hopping the next pram to Canada if my guy isn't elected 'cause, you know, it's not all about me."

Libby Sternberg, a school choice advocate, is the author of four novels, the first of which was an Edgar finalist.

By Libby Sternberg
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by joyous88 June 28, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
Libby Sternberg, a school choice advocate??

What a lying sack, Libby Sternberg is just one more in a long list of right wing nut jobs, on the web, spinning the truth into something it is not.

that is called lying in most other countries.

Want more lies fromt these greed driven conservative pigs, and mindless christian voters,


than vote McBushCain, an american fascist and traitor
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by ubrew12 June 28, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
Article: "It should be clear by now that Sen. McCain''s ''100 years'' comment referred to peaceful base operations such as those we have in other parts of the world, not to a century-long war.''
So, once we pacify the Iraqi''s, it''ll be beer and prostitutes at those bases for 100 years? Sounds like the American way! How many more Americans have to die for oil before that happens?

Article: "sometimes even wise leaders make unwise decisions about foreign policy, with mothers everywhere paying the price."
Sternberg, who''s won the Edgar, now qualifies for the ''understatement of the year'' award.

So, its now ''selfish'' not to want to sacrifice your son for Cheney''s oil buddy''s? Not to want to sacrifice your daughter for your obnoxious neighbors ''freedom'' to drive his Hummer to her funeral? If that is what Sternberg thinks, here''s some advice to Sternberg: don''t homeschool your own kids. America''s got enough idiots already.
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by it_oldtimer June 28, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
As a career professional soldier I can attest to the fact that once you''re in the service you can''t pick which wars you''ll fight in, and which you won''t. Once you''re in combat boots, it''s far too late for that debate.

But you DO have a choice when it comes to joining, or not, in the first place. The US military is NOT what it used to be, and the traditional reasons for choosing to serve just don''t apply when it comes to either of these two current wars.

When GW Bush began his new era of "pre-emptive" warfare based on bogus "cherry-picked" intelligence, and created a new and legally unaccountable army of American-financed mercenaries ("contractors") and engineered the military''s sneaky back-door draft, called the "stop loss" policy, it became time to seriously rethink what military service really means in this day and age.

If killing people for no good reason doesn''t bother you, and if you don''t mind giving your life in a war that should never have begun, is going absolutely nowhere, and can never, ever be "won" - then join right up.

If you think that your life, and the lives of many other innocent people, have some real value, and if you have any real sense of ethics or morality, then you should avoid US military service like the plague at the present time.

These current wars are not necessary wars, and there truly is no military or national "honor" in fighting an unnecessary and totally counter-productive war that, in the end, only hurts your own country more than helps it.
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by it_oldtimer June 28, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
Only Republican kids should have to serve in the current military. Lets start with Jenna and Barbara Bush - they are both the proper age, and should be proud to support their daddy''s war at the cost of their own lives, if need be.

If Dubya isn''t interested in sending his OWN daughters to fight and possibly die in this worthy struggle, then NO American should ever consider sending THEIR sons or daughters either!

Lead by example, George! Show us how important these wars truly are to you and to America! Republican kids: enlist! Show us how important these wars are to you, too! Be "real patriots" - stand up for what you and your parents believe in! Be heroes!
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by txgrouch2006 June 28, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
This is the most boring issue I''ve seen in weeks.

It''s just a political ad. Of course it''s bogus.

The whole Clinton-Obama campaign was bogus. Nobody cared. Votes in the primary were cast strictly along race and gender lines.

THAT''S WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS.
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by gkc99 June 28, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
Gosh, it''s just so selfish of a mom to want to keep her son from being cannon fodder for the empire wet dreams of the Neocon scum!

Many, many people came to American from Europe because they got tired of their sons being cannon fodder for King George, Kaiser Wilhelm, Frederick the Great, Napoleon, etc etc.

Were these people selfish and unpatriotic?

Or were they smart enough to know that your child''s life is more important than the power hungry fantasies of brain dead chimps like Bushit and greedy, grasping handlers like Dik "5 deferments" Chikenshit?
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by gkc99 June 28, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
She''s a "school choice advocate"--meaning she wants to subject her own children (if any) to the brain-washing and indoctrination of a Bornagain Endtime madrassa.

By "school choice" she means shoving twisted, medieval views on innocent children.

What about the choice of the children not to be brainwashed by some backwards sky pilots, America''s own little Taliban?
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by txgrouch2006 June 28, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
ainttaken wrote
pardon me while I vomit
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by txgrouch2006 June 28, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
Why is anyone so worked up in a ''60''s style anti-war protest - when

THE REAL ISSUE IS THE BLATANT RACISM AND SEXISM THAT WERE DISPLAYED IN THE DEMOCRAT PRIMARIES.

Really, seriously folks - we need to sit down and think about this. The votes were cast ALMOST ENTIRELY along race and gender lines.

How much progress have we really made in civil rights when there''s still so much racism and sexism???
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by element51 June 28, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
linymo....In addition to mis-leading statements you paint a pretty gloomy picture of the future. I''d like to know on what you base your statement that the progressives will be blamed for the high gas prices? You didn''t explain that theory. As painful as it will be I think most of us are braced for 6-7 dollar per gallon gas. As long as the wealthy speculators are allowed to manipulate the PPB the price is going nowhere but up. As for Gore''s electricity use..You must not be aware that Gore spent his own money to have solar panels installed at his home and they supply all the electricity needed. The excess is either sold or donated to the electricity grid thus he does not impact the enviornment. As for the Gov. of California, I don''t know how he gets to work. And as for the election, we won''t know until November.
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by txgrouch2006 June 28, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
All of this partisan bickering is just diverting attention from the real issue:

THE BLATANT SEXISM AND RACISM DISPLAYED IN THE DEMOCRAT PRIMARIES.

It seems like white males are the ONLY ones who have been told that it''s wrong to judge a person based on gender or skin color.
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by txgrouch2006 June 28, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
So, are we really COMFORTABLE with the realization that the vast majority of voters made their choice based on race and gender?

Why are we concerned about ANY ISSUE AT ALL when it''s irrelevant???
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by txgrouch2006 June 28, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
WHO''S TO BLAME FOR HIGH OIL PRICES? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR AL GORE? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR WAR? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR TERRORISM? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR RISING UNEMPLOYMENT, INFLATION, AND (EVENTUALLY) INTEREST RATES? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR THE LOOMING FINANCIAL DISASTER OF SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, THE BANKING INDUSTRY, AND SPIRALING DEFICITS? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO WILL BE TO BLAME FOR OUR INABILITY TO CARE FOR THE AGING BABY BOOMERS? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR OUR CHRONIC TRADE DEFICIT AND OUR APPARENT INABILITY TO COMPETE IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

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by irliberal June 28, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
WHERE IS BIN LADEN? That has really been the only relevant question that needs asking since the invasion of Afghanistan.

Over SIX years of war. Civil rights breached by our commander in chief. Internationally recognized torture sanctioned by the White House. Two invaded and currently occupied countries. Hundreds of thousands dead, including OVER 4500 American soldiers. Billions of our tax dollars spent, and yes, are still being spent to this very moment.

Iraq, which had NOTHING to do with 9/11, is now an occupied country which will implode when we get out of it, whether that happens one, two, ten or five hundred years from now. A society that CHOOSES to be ruled by religion cannot become a democracy; it can only be a theocracy with voting cards.

Bin Laden still lives. The mastermind of 9/11 still walks free.

The one, simple word for this is: failure. No amount of deception, indignation or wailing by republicons can change these facts.

Failure of Bush. Failure of Cheney. Failure of the republicans.

Time for a change.
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by txgrouch2006 June 28, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
WHERE IS BIN LADEN? The voters will decide based on race and gender.

WHO''S TO BLAME FOR BIN LADEN AND 9/11? The voters will decide based on race and gender.
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by irliberal June 29, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
Posted by txgrouch2006 at 08:50 PM

Another bitter, bitter republican spreading propoganda.

I recommend clutching your gun and/or crucifix more. I hear it helps.
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by irliberal June 29, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
John McCain judgement and experience that only comes with age:

"There''s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03]

" I believe that the success will be fairly easy." [CNN, 9/24/02]

"We''re not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad. " [CNN, 9/29/02]

"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]

"But I believe that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators." [NBC, 3/20/03]

"It''s clear that the end is very much in sight." [ABC, 4/9/03]

"This is a mission accomplished.." [This Week, ABC, 12/14/03]

Want to repeat the last 8 catastrophic eight years? Vote McSame!
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by txgrouch2006 June 29, 2008 12:59 AM EDT
IRLiberal wrote
John McCain judgement and experience that only comes with age
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McCain will win or lose based on race (now that gender is out of the picture).

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
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by txgrouch2006 June 29, 2008 1:11 AM EDT
Hint to McCain: make sure your running mate is A REPUBLICAN.

And stay away from tanks, unless you''re SURE the tank driver likes you.
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by patriot12436 June 29, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
I think the picture with this caption is an affront and outright insult to our service members, no matter what the message is.
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by patriot12436 June 29, 2008 1:17 AM EDT
it_oldtimer
I agree with what you said totally. I retired, i fought in Vietnam, my son was injured on duty with the rangers, and my youngest daughter just returned from Iraq. I do not support th war in Iraq, but i will always be behind our troops. I have met most of my daughters unit before they depolyed and the soldiers today are second to none. I am proud of each and every one.
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by idnnsg June 29, 2008 1:28 AM EDT
In this article, Libby Sternberg says "It should be clear by now that Sen. McCain''s ''100 years'' comment referred to peaceful base operations such as those we have in other parts of the world, not to a century-long war."

Peaceful base operations in Iraq? NOT POSSIBLE! The Iraqis are waging civil and religious war and they hate the US and want us to get the hell out of their country and to quit stealing their oil. It doesn''t matter how "impenetrable" we think we can make our bases, as long as we keep sending US soldiers (and especially contract killers like blackwater) to Iraq, so long will they be killed. The longer we are there, the more will die.

McCain said "it doesn''t matter how long we''re there". That is NOT true. John McCain (and this stu.pid) writer are living in a sick fanatasy world.
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by txgrouch2006 June 29, 2008 1:58 AM EDT
IDNNSG wrote
quit stealing their oil.
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We''re stealing oil from Iraq? I hadn''t heard about that.

But if so, IT''S ABOUT TIME. The Iraqis should be PAYING US for all we''ve done for them. And they should be paying IN OIL.

For that matter, they should be giving us the deed to a few oil fields for our troubles.
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by ubrew12 June 29, 2008 1:59 AM EDT
So, its now ''selfish'' not to want to sacrifice your son for Cheney''s oil buddy''s? Not to want to sacrifice your daughter for your obnoxious neighbors ''freedom'' to drive his Hummer to her funeral? Thats some America you live in Sternberg.
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by txgrouch2006 June 29, 2008 2:04 AM EDT
ubrew12 wrote
Thats some America you live in Sternberg.
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This ''60''s style anti-war rant is just a DIVERSION from THE REAL ISSUES.

Starting with the BLATANT RACISM AND SEXISM displayed by Democrat voters in the primaries, all the way to the economy, terrorism, and our crumbling financial world due to the banking crisis, Social Security, and the overwhelming issue of HOW WILL WE CARE FOR THE AGING BABY BOOMERS when they become elderly???

NOBODY WANTS TO FACE THE REAL ISSUES, so they want to distract us with childish tantrums about the war.
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by ubrew12 June 29, 2008 2:36 AM EDT
txgrouch2006 said: "our crumbling financial world due to the banking crisis, Social Security... HOW WILL WE CARE FOR THE...elderly???"
9-11 and the war on terror provided the cover for Bush to cut taxes and double the national debt to $10 trillion, plus another $3 trillion for Iraq/ Afghanistan (which are both wars for oil). The people who get rich off those wars (Exxon, Cheney) are NOT the same people who''ll be paying for them (you n me n 4000+ dead soldiers). This was all worked out in Spring 2001, when Cheney convened energy strategy meetings with Exxon, Halliburton, etc. They have successfully kept those meetings from YOU, ME, Environmental and Energy watchdogs, the entire American public. OUR BUSINESS, CONDUCTED ON OUR NICKEL, and we have no right to hear what was said! Documents leaked from that meeting indicate Iraqi oil fields were identified, and a list of companies who wanted access to them was compiled. Guess who just got no-bid contracts for those oil fields? Meanwhile, the doubled debt has caused int''l investors to flee the dollar and go into oil speculation, hence $100 barrels of oil, and American real-estate, stock, etc, turning to cr*p. On the int''l market, your paycheck is literally worth 60% less than it was worth 8 yrs ago.

We been sold out, but don''t worry, SOMEONES getting rich off of all this.
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by txgrouch2006 June 29, 2008 3:05 AM EDT
Does anyone have any RATIONAL comments to make here?

Anyone?
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by brianbwb-2009 June 29, 2008 3:52 AM EDT
"It seems like white males are the ONLY ones who have been told that it''''s wrong to judge a person based on gender or skin color." Posted by txgrouch2006

Because they are they only ones who have been doing it, any judgements by the victims if their discrimination judge based on generations of experience.
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by brianbwb-2009 June 29, 2008 3:55 AM EDT
"NOBODY WANTS TO FACE THE REAL ISSUES, so they want to distract us with childish tantrums about the war."
Posted by txgrouch2006

I would wonder if, while holding the remains of your child, shipped back home in pieces from a war you know was based on nothing but lies, you would still consider opposition to Bush''s war a "childish tantrums"...
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by brianbwb-2009 June 29, 2008 3:57 AM EDT
"But if so, IT''''S ABOUT TIME. The Iraqis should be PAYING US for all we''''ve done for them. And they should be paying IN OIL." Posted by txgrouch2006

Why? They did not ask to be invaded, and to have their country plunged into anarchy as a result of Bush''s lies, so why should they, or anyone pay for that for which they did not ask, and do not want?
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by brianbwb-2009 June 29, 2008 4:10 AM EDT
"Starting with the BLATANT RACISM AND SEXISM displayed by Democrat voters in the primaries,..." Posted by txgrouch2006

Which is bound to happen, as it is the undeniable fact of America''s character, but nonetheless irrelevant to the issues.

"...all the way to the economy,...: Posted by txgrouch2006

The victim of Reaganesque "trickle down" BS esonomics, corporate corruption, and a sycophantic attitude from Neocons who have had too much influence.

"...terrorism, Posted by txgrouch2006

Only serious in the mind of prevaricating, hegeministic agitprop creators and those suckered by them.

"...and our crumbling financial world due to the banking crisis,..." Posted by txgrouch2006

Due again to neocon deregulation and blatant corruption.

"...Social Security,..." Posted by txgrouch2006

Looted by the Republicans to pay for every unnecessary war since Vietnam, bailing out incompetent and corrupt businesses, subsidizing corporate relocation to slave labor countries, and stolen by profiteers.

"...and the overwhelming issue of HOW WILL WE CARE FOR THE AGING BABY BOOMERS when they become elderly???" Posted by txgrouch2006

We won''t, because every idea advanced by concerned parties is instantly labeled "welfare" by those who would rather steal the money for themselves.
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by brianbwb-2009 June 29, 2008 4:13 AM EDT
"...and the overwhelming issue of HOW WILL WE CARE FOR THE AGING BABY BOOMERS when they become elderly???" Posted by txgrouch2006

Not to forget to consider that if McSame expands US military hostilities into Iran, the resulting collapse of the US economy will obviate that need, as there will be no more "America".
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by brianbwb-2009 June 29, 2008 5:08 AM EDT
"...Instead of appealing to the higher virtues of service to country regardless who''s elected to lead..."

Interesting group of words by the author, but he doesn''t enlighten us as to what the "virtues" of dying because of intentional and blatant lies of the commander in chief, actually are.

He also infers that going to kill and die for the sake of the profits of a few war mongers is a virtue.
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by babooph June 29, 2008 9:26 AM EDT
The propaganda system has no right to "correct" either side-their hands are the filthyest-all the news of the mortgage mess& A BIG FACT BURIED-1st the lobbyists bribed to end bankruptsy[seems the middle class found it]Then they opted to lend the suckers-they now cannot escape-their greed&corruption had them forget the "Goose that layed the golden egg"They stole so much nobody can pay them all of it!!
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by scottyusa June 29, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
Does anyone have any RATIONAL comments to make here?

Anyone?


Posted by txgrouch2006

I do. Moveon.org is a disgusting organization with a selfish and disgusting message. They are anti american in my opinion and it is too bad all its members are just like the mother in this ad.
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by bluestardad June 29, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
WEEKLY STANDARD PROMOTED THE IRAQ WAR....ITS MEMBERS ARE AIPAC MEMBERS AND ARE PRO ISRAELI SOME ARE DUEL PASSPORT HOLDERS!

MOST OF THE WEEKLY STANDARD EMPLOYEES HAVE NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY BUT HAVE PROMOTED AMERICAN CONFLICTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

IF THEY WANT TO FIGHT FOR ISRAEL SO MUCH GO LIVE THERE!

BEFORE THEY PROMOTE SENDING SOMEONE ELSES KIDS TO WAR SERVE THEMSELVES...

THEY SHOULD BE BEATEN FROM AMERICAN SHORES!
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by bluestardad June 29, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
LOOK AT THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE!

NEVER REGISTERED FOR THE DRAFT!

NEVER SERVED A DAY IN THE MILITARY!

ISRAELI AMERICAN

IF YOU CANT FIGURE OUT THE MOTIVATION HERE HAVE SOME MORE KOOL AID!
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by brianbwb-2009 June 29, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
"They are anti american in my opinion and it is too bad all its members are just like the mother in this ad."
Posted by scottyusa

At least you have the common sense to recognize that the above statement is, after all, your opinion, and thus has no bearing on reality.

I wonder if you realize how silly your point is, that American mothers should willingly and gladly let their children die for the lies of a war mongering president, and his business interests.
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by kennedy7955 June 29, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
The US government has borrowed on behalf of every family in America, $18,000 to date and growing.

So if you are a supporter of George Bush, a supporter of this war, I demand that you pay your share upfront as we go. I demand you cut a check right now to the IRS for $18,000

Now if you can''t or won''t write that check now - or you are not willing to cut additional checks to the IRS as the bill becomes due, because this bill is going up every day, I must ask, no demand- that you shut the f%$& up.
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by ioweign June 29, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
IDNNSG wrote
quit stealing their oil.
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We''''re stealing oil from Iraq? I hadn''''t heard about that.

But if so, IT''''S ABOUT TIME. The Iraqis should be PAYING US for all we''''ve done for them. And they should be paying IN OIL.

For that matter, they should be giving us the deed to a few oil fields for our troubles.

Posted by txgrouch2006 at 10:58 PM : Jun 28, 2008

Now why should Iraq deed us oil fields for our troubles?

You do not know the difference between invaded and invited ?

We were not invited into Iraq and 65 percent of Iraqis want us UN-invited...

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by kennedy7955 June 29, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
"They are anti american in my opinion and it is too bad all its members are just like the mother in this ad."Posted by scottyusa"

Hey Scottyusa, Mr. Pro-war. I hope you have your checkbook ready to write a check for $18,000 for your share of the war. Good news for you, if McCain wins the election your kids will have plenty of time to fight this war. Because if McCain gets his way - this war will still be going by the time your kids hit 18.

Then if your kid(s) lose a limb or their lives in this war you can wrap them up in the Flag. That will make you a patriotic father huh? Then ask yourself what it was all for? To free the world from tyranny or to support OPEC?

Our armed forces were not created or should be used as tools for corporate greed and control of markets. By the way, to control the oil markets was one goal of this war and look how that has turned out. Gas could hit $7 gallon by the end of the year. "Heck of a job George Bush!"

There is a big difference between WWII and the Iraq war. WWII had to be fought, the Iraq war was an invention by George Bush.

Patriots will end this war and the McBush''s will fight this and other endless wars. I pray for our troops and wish them a speedy return home where they belong.

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by kennedy7955 June 29, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
"They are anti american in my opinion and it is too bad all its members are just like the mother in this ad."Posted by scottyusa"

Hey Scottyusa, Mr. Pro-war. I hope you have your checkbook ready to write a check for $18,000 for your share of the war. Good news for you, if McCain wins the election your kids will have plenty of time to fight this war. Because if McCain gets his way - this war will still be going by the time your kids hit 18.

Then if your kid(s) lose a limb or their lives in this war you can wrap them up in the Flag. That will make you a patriotic father huh? Then ask yourself what it was all for? To free the world from tyranny or to support OPEC?

Our armed forces were not created or should be used as tools for corporate greed and control of markets. By the way, to control the oil markets was one goal of this war and look how that has turned out. Gas could hit $7 gallon by the end of the year. "Heck of a job George Bush!"

There is a big difference between WWII and the Iraq war. WWII had to be fought, the Iraq war was an invention by George Bush.

Patriots will end this war and the McBush''s will fight this and other endless wars. I pray for our troops and wish them a speedy return home where they belong.
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by kennedy7955 June 29, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
"The USA is stealing oil from Iraq."

That would be the best news we have gotten from the war from the very beginning. If only it was true. George Bush is too stupid to pull that off.
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by kennedy7955 June 29, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
I just saw this ad on moveon.org and I love it. There is nothing unpatriotic about it.
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by kennedy7955 June 29, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
"It should be clear by now that Sen. McCain''s "100 years" comment referred to peaceful base operations..." by Libby Sternberg.

The comments can be taken as they were said, literally. That seems all to clear to me.

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by irliberal June 29, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
Does anyone have any RATIONAL comments to make here?

Anyone?

Posted by txgrouch2006 at 12:05 AM

There have been a lot of rational comments here - mine, Brianbwb, kennedy7955, bluestardad, others.

Your problem is that you don''t understand the meaning of the word "rational". To you, anyone you personally disagree with is "irrational". That is not what the words means at all. But that''s not surprising, since you''re Republican and they''ve distorted quite a bit over the past 8 years.
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by mcvet June 29, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
I do. Moveon.org is a disgusting organization with a selfish and disgusting message. They are anti american in my opinion and it is too bad all its members are just like the mother in this ad.

Posted by scottyusa at 07:06 AM : Jun 29, 2008
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Now that''s a NO NO!! You will most certainly catch it at the next nazi youth meeting... you ALWAYS end, especially when you are trashing the messenger as the Nazi''s have taught you, with a big SIEG HEIL! Shame on you! Now tell us about the message... Has it ever occured to YOU swastika breath that the MAJORITY of American Mothers AGREE with this woman? Of course it has and that''s why you use the OLD tired Nazi approach to dealing with the Ad...attack the messenger. Now stand... Let the fuhrer and Shooter hear you today!! Sing it out!! SIEG HEIL McSame!!
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by lhwrites June 29, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
To the author of this article:
What on earth does the God forsaken war in Iraq have to do with defending the constitution? And in case you haven''t noticed, George W. Bush has NO RESPECT for the constitution.
And by the way- for those of you trashing Moveon.org, it was formed in response to the fact that the Republicans felt the need to impeach an American president for being evasive about his heavy petting. They were telling the congress to MOVE ON! Now, they want to move on from this ridiculous war.
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by wooleywews June 29, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
Hey, is that you Rev. Wright?

Now that''''s a NO NO!! You will most certainly catch it at the next nazi youth meeting... you ALWAYS end, especially when you are trashing the messenger as the Nazi''''s have taught you, with a big SIEG HEIL! Shame on you! Now tell us about the message... Has it ever occured to YOU swastika breath that the MAJORITY of American Mothers AGREE with this woman? Of course it has and that''''s why you use the OLD tired Nazi approach to dealing with the Ad...attack the messenger. Now stand... Let the fuhrer and Shooter hear you today!! Sing it out!! SIEG HEIL McSame!!
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by elz523 June 29, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
But there are probably many military mothers who fret about what a Commander-in-Chief Obama might ask their sons and daughters to do. "President Obama, you can''t have them," isn''t a responsible answer to any orders he might give.


You know it is obvious Libby that you don''t understand or accept the needless loss of American life in the Iraq war. We should not have went there, we should not be there now and we should not be there in the future. If we are there, our children will be killed there. John McCain thinks its ok for us to stay there for 100 years and he also thinks it is unimportant when the troops come home. His words. THAT is what this commercial is about.

Obama will get our troops out of Iraq. That is the difference that you obviously cannot see.

My children are in the military. They want to serve their country. They DON''T want to serve the interests of George Bush''s/*** Cheney''s war profiteering buddies.
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