McCain Talks Trade With Ohio Autoworkers

Republican Candidate Tells Workers He's For Free Trade, Government Investment

(AP)  Republican John McCain on Friday told autoworkers in an economically depressed area of Ohio that he supports free-trade agreements many of them feel cost jobs, but also government investment to help produce the electric cars of the future.

His confession and commitment followed a tour of a General Motors factory that produces the gas-thrifty Chevrolet Cobalt. Company officials recently announced they will add a third shift - and 1,400 workers - in August so they can build the cars 24 hours a day.

GM has also announced plans to build in 2010 the Chevrolet Volt, a vehicle that will travel 40 miles by battery power but have a seven-gallon gas tank extending its range to 140 miles. Most commutes are within the 40-mile range.

McCain praised both developments as he also made the pitch for an energy strategy that calls for more oil production, development of a revolutionary automotive battery pack and conservation by the federal government in its buildings and its huge auto fleet.

"We must develop vehicles such as are being developed here," the presidential contender told employees attending a town-hall meeting just steps from the assembly line. "We can lead again in the automotive industry and that can lead to thousands of jobs."

The Mahoning Valley is a Democratic stronghold that blames its economic woes on the kind of free-trade policies that McCain supports.

The region lost 16,600 jobs from 2000 through 2007, almost all of them in the manufacturing sector. Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton visited the same GM factory in February to announce a plan to reduce the influence on special interests on government decisionmaking.

While McCain received a respectful welcome from a largely union audience, one employee firmly asked him about trade pacts such as the North American Free Trade Agreement and the Central American Free Trade Agreement - both of which workers believe have triggered job shifts to Canada, Mexico and Central America.

McCain supports the agreements but Democratic rival Barack Obama has threatened to unilaterally re-open NAFTA if labor and environmental concessions are not made.

The worker who asked the question, 37-year-old Raymond Francisco, moved his family to Ohio after GM closed the sport-utility vehicle factory where he worked in Linden, N.J.

"I don't believe that every trade agreement is totally fair, and we do have mechanisms in these agreements where you can bring suit where unfair practices exist," McCain told Francisco. "I would say that if and when we conclude additional free trade agreemnts, perhaps we could do a better job of setting up and implementing mechanisms that would address unfair or violations, basically, of the free trade agreements that we make."

McCain added: "But I do believe that there are some realities of life, and that is that when we practice protectionism and we erect barriers to the products from other countries, they do the same to us and then it leads to economic consequences. I think that was the case in the 1930s. I think that our protectionism and isolationism led from a recession to a deep depression."

At another point, a woman asked McCain how he aimed to helped the industry itself.

The senator pledged federal funding for research and development efforts, but, again, said he would not coddle the industry. At another point, he said point-blank he would not favor a government bailout package for automakers.

"Once we develop that technology with pure research and development, then we've got to hand it over to the private enterprise - the automotive companies. I do not think we should be in direct competition," the senator said.

It was such a tactic, he said, that led to the government-developed Internet triggering a private enterprise boon.

Later, speaking with reporters aboard his campaign bus, McCain said he is spending a "great deal of time" seeking his running mate, but he still is not sure when he will announce his choice. Nonetheless, he said the timing would not be influenced by when Obama announces his vice presidential choice.

"I think that as soon as I can reach a point of decision, we should go ahead with it. I don't think that should affect the timing. ...It should have everything to do with our process and priority," said McCain.

[nanc12]

The blogger covering this event said the ''crowd'' was a massive 60 people, who sat with arms crossed over their chests and didn''t applaud. He told them he''d be the president of everyone. Everyone in his little fantasy world of McBushistan, that is.

[noloyalisti]

Is this flip-flopping hypocrite war-monger still running or has he dropped out yet?

Doesn''t he realize that everyone who has a brain knows he is bush on steroids? I have not heard one good reason to vote for this bozo unless you like invasions and killing and don''t like money.

[rgrxx175]

everybody is starting to see through his bull s h i t, he has nothing to offer, ok maybe the top 1% of the u.s.

[ramos937]

As much as the Republicans have stuck it to the unions over the years, McCain was either very brave or very foolish to address these workers.

[homespunlady]

Yeah, Right, WHAT A LOAD OF BS!

Want to know what THIS GOP ADMINISTRATION REALLY THINKS - Here''s an example -
Check out THIS article:

Citing Need for Assessments, U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects
Steve Marcus/Las Vegas Sun, via Reuters
Mirrors channel sunlight onto a tube filled with oil at a solar power plant in Boulder City, Nev. The plant produces energy to power about 14,000 homes.


By DAN FROSCH
Published: June 27, 2008
DENVER %u2014 Faced with a surge in the number of proposed solar power plants, the federal government has placed a moratorium on new solar projects on public land until it studies their environmental impact, which is expected to take about two years.

The Bureau of Land Management says an extensive environmental study is needed to determine how large solar plants might affect millions of acres it oversees in six Western states %u2014 Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah.

But the decision to freeze new solar proposals temporarily, reached late last month, has caused widespread concern in the alternative-energy industry, as fledgling solar companies must wait to see if they can realize their hopes of harnessing power from swaths of sun-baked public land, just as the demand for viable alternative energy is accelerating.....

[homespunlady]

when WE NEED Alternative energy plants, SMALL BUSINESS GROWTH and diversification in our energy generation so all those electric cars can have the power to charge up - the ADMINISTRATION puts a GAG on SOLAR PLANTS ALREADY ON LINE TO BE BUILT!!!

Guess if IT ISN''T STRIP MINING OR DRILLING or they AREN''T being BUILT BY BIG OIL the "little guy" gets LOCKED OUT once AGAIN!

Next up - a DECADE LONG "study" to keep non-BIG OIL INNOVATIVE BUSINESSES from manufacturing alternative energy vehicles - oh, I forgot "BIG OIL AND THE GOP" ALREADY DID THAT with EV1 and EV2 and oh so many others to our nations detriment!!!

That 300 million PAYOFF McSame is offering - I''m Betting there''s a 99.999 percent chance that BIG OIL will get it (probably using some "retiring" employee as a front) if McSame gets in!

Probably will take them about 20 minutes to DIG about a DOZEN qualifying PATENTS OUT OF THEIR ARCHIVES!!!

Chevy Volt?
Love the concept.
DOUBT it''ll ever be allowed to become "viable". A 140 mile range out where I live is a short trip to the doctor and my guess they''ll make up the gas savings in high priced car and battery costs.

Toyota, Tata, Honda all are FAR AHEAD on this.

My decked out automatic Yaris gets just under 40 MPG and my daughters standard Yaris get just over 40, lots of trunk and leg room - that ALREADY BEATS the "minimum MPG" clear out past 2030!!!!

[incog-nito]

If McCain had any integrity, he would say something like this: "The GOP''s union-busting, tariff-busting trade policies contributed to the job loss. If the electric car came out tomorrow, our corporations will probably have it made in China anyway. Get ready for more job loss people."

[incog-nito]

GM already had the Saturn EV1 with a range of up to 160 miles. It was not a commercial success, but it was a great technological test bed, and keep in mind that it was developed 10 years ago with much older technology. People who leased the EV1 loved it and did not want to part with it. Some even offered to buy it from GM, but the cars were recalled and destroyed anyway. Instead of continuing and refining the technology which would make GM way ahead of the others, GM chose instead to focus on big, heavy, inefficient gas-guzzlers. Now they''re coming out with the Chevy Volt, with an electric range of 40 miles (that''s right, 40) and a gas engine to back it up, and a price tag that''s out of reach for budget conscious consumers. Gee, not exactly cutting edge technology. No wonder why GM is in trouble.

[tawpdawg11]

yeah....hey there Ohio...........say, um, how''d that work out for y''all voting for GOP in 04?

[tawpdawg11]

yeah....hey there Ohio...........say, um, how''d that work out for y''all voting for GOP in 04?

[samthetvcat]

McLame''s already said he wants to be aggressive on free trade - somebody should ask him point blank whether he would pursue a free trade agreement with India.

Because the trade agreements that have been detrimental are the ones which benefit corporations but cost workers jobs and therefore diminish consumer purchasing power. It''s those agreements with countries where there''s a big difference in standard of living, and where the net gain for corporations is cheaper labor. Somebody also ought to ask McLame outright what types of jobs he foresees down-sized autoworkers getting in the future after his ''retraining programs''. I think people deserve to know how much of a decrease in their standard of living they''re signing on for if they vote for him.

The outdated trade policy which so many of those economists from the 90''s still seem to embrace is that getting rid of protectionism is always a growth opportunity. But I don''t get the sense that enough attention is paid to what exactly is going to be traded between the countries. Like if we get rid of wine tariffs between us and France, that benefits both of us. If we get rid of banana and apple tariffs between us and say Brazil, then that would seem to benefit both of us. But what the heck did we get in return from China when we signed on to get cheaper labor? Isn''t that why the trade deficit is through the roof? Like what was the thinking there?

[voltaire333]

Praise be to ExxonMobil! Taking on the world''s energy challenges by keeping America addicted to oil! God am I proud of American media!

[incog-nito]

It is globalization, not oil prices, that will undermine the U.S. economy. Oil prices affect most countries more or less equally.

When you have workers in other countries making 1/10th or less than U.S. workers, tariffs are necessary to keep things in balance. Without them, jobs will necessarily migrate to where labor is cheapest. That''''s why I believe that we are not in a recession but a long-term permanent trend of steady job loss and declining wages. Meanwhile the U.S. workers will continue to suffer for a long time to come.

Some might argue that tariffs keep products more expensive. That is true, but they also keep jobs at home and wages up. They act as a DISincentive for U.S. companies to move jobs abroad, because they don''''t gain anything when they try to sell their products back at home. Also, keep in mind that tariffs bring REVENUE to the government, revenue that it otherwise would need to collect in TAXES. Think of tariffs as an EQUALIZER that smooths out the disparity in labor income of different countries.

[incog-nito]

(continued)

Some people argue that "protectionism" is somehow anti-American or sinister. Not true. It has been in place for most of America''''s history until recently, and America continued to thrive and prosper all that time. Remember, corporations are there to make a profit any way they can and look out for their SELF-interest. That''''s fine, but a democratic government is supposed to look out for its PEOPLE''''s interest, not for the Chinese or Indian people''''s interest.

Then again. It''''s probably too late to do anything about it now anyway. The globalization genie is already out of the bottle.

[brianbwb-2009]

Until there is a universal minimun living wage worldwide, globalization will always only be a means for business to enslave the lowest wage countries, and thus maximize the salaries of corrupt upper management, with no benefit whatsoever to the American people, anyone suggesting otherwise is talking BS.

McSame''s adherence to the Reagan "trickle down" view of economics will eventually result in the exact same conditions they preach as the result of "communism", that is, a nation of slaves working only for the benefit of the "party elite", the only difference being that the "party" will nave a different name, the "Rich People''s Party".

Couple this with the recent moves by Bush to eliminate constitutional protections of our right to organize opposition, and I challenge anyone to show how the outcome can be any different.

[mcvet]

When does someone think about the AMERICAN Worker?? What we have seen done to them by the fascist is something we all should be deeply ashamed of. To ask an American Worker to compete with 30 Cents a Day in Wages is just PLAIN WRONG. To continue in agreements that have consistently lowered the standard of living in this nation is WRONG. Throw all the Republican''s out and lets negotiate FAIR trade agreements... agreements that are negotiated with ALL American''s in mind!! SIEG HEIL McSame!!

[mcvet]

When does someone think about the AMERICAN Worker?? What we have seen done to them by the fascist is something we all should be deeply ashamed of. To ask an American Worker to compete with 30 Cents a Day in Wages is just PLAIN WRONG. To continue in agreements that have consistently lowered the standard of living in this nation is WRONG. Throw all the Republican''s out and lets negotiate FAIR trade agreements... agreements that are negotiated with ALL American''s in mind!! SIEG HEIL McSame!!

[watcher269-2009]

McShame takes credit for Bill he didn''t even vote on. What a Republican Hypocrite!

Do you Support the Troops? If you do then you CANNOT support John Hussein McBush - he does not support the Troops and was Against this G.I. Bill!



There was a vote last night in the Senate on the war supplemental, which included the Webb/Hagel GI Bill. The spending bill, including the expanded education benefits for veterans, passed overwhelmingly (92 to 6), and will be added to the $165 billion that the House and Senate have already approved for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The roll-call is online; every Democrat, and most Republicans, voted for the bill. John McCain, as is now common, didn%u2019t show up for work. Barack Obama was there, and he voted for the funding.

[fiberglass3]

McCain Proposes $300 Million Energy Prize
Ariz. Senator Wants To Give $1 Per American For Developer Of New Auto Battery

Sure wish that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton would take a similar position helping to get us away from gasoline and over to electric transportation.

[wooleywews]

Hi, Hey is that you Rev. Wright?

McShame takes credit for Bill he didn''''t even vote on. What a Republican Hypocrite!

Do you Support the Troops? If you do then you CANNOT support John Hussein McBush - he does not support the Troops and was Against this G.I. Bill!

[tootall10142]

U.A.W these people were making tons more than the regular working joe for decades now the law of autonomy has reared its ugly head.hows that hemi look in the parking lot of a plant that should have doing this before the big three did it to the american people? i hope tecnology puts them out of work after thet help devolope the technology. this is the goal of the company dont fool your selfe or allow your self to be fooled AGAIN. ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM OH WHAT A FEELING TOYOTA!

[homespunlady]

fiberglass3

That 300 MILLION is a GIMMICK!

Unfortunately if McSame get his way - BIG OIL WILL GET IT!

Probably by DIGGING OUT OF THEIR ARCHIVES one of the innumerable PATENTS THEY BOUGHT UP over the years!

There''s NO clause in there to keep BIG OIL FROM GETTING IT by using PAST INNOVATION THEY''VE SUPPRESSED and then AFTER GETTING THE PRIZE stuffing that prize winning innovation BACK INTO STORAGE!

Nothing more than QUICK CASH to the tune of a buck out of MINE and EVERY OTHER American''s pocket to feed an ALREADY FAT GREEDY PIG of an energy MONOPOLIST CORPORATION!!!

[zerato-2009]

U.A.W these people were making tons more than the regular working joe for decades now the law of autonomy has reared its ugly head.hows that hemi look in the parking lot of a plant that should have doing this before the big three did it to the american people? i hope tecnology puts them out of work after thet help devolope the technology. this is the goal of the company dont fool your selfe or allow your self to be fooled AGAIN. ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM OH WHAT A FEELING TOYOTA!
Posted by tootall10142

what a wonderful example of a heartless republican. Wishing that americans were out of work

[amazedd]

GO MAC 08!

[edintex]

I say MORE "free trade" agreements are needed. Who REALLY cares about those autoworkers jobs anyways? When oil was $10 a barrel in the 80''s, and many hundreds of thousands of oil industry workers were out of jobs and loosing their homes, there were NO hearings or investigations on capitol hill. Nobody cared that small and mid sized oil companies were going out of business. Nobody cared when the oil companies WARNED that the results of what was happening at the time would result in what is happening today. We are ALL paying dearly for those days of $10 oil. So don''t listen to what the oil companies have to say again. Maybe then oil can go up to $200 or $300 a barrel. Can you say WORLD WIDE DEPRESSION? I hope you all are happy now, you liberal brainiacs!

[incog-nito]

edintex: Funny how some people always manage to blame one side while exonerating the other. BOTH parties are responsible, because they BOTH are heavily influenced by corporate interests. It''s not just the auto industry or manufacturing. EVERY sector will be affected, except for the service sector (want fries with that?). The semiconductor and technology industry is being slowly dismantled and moved overseas. Radiology scans are being reviewed online by someone in India, etc, etc. The flip side of this is that some jobs are actually being IMPORTED into the U.S. except with much lower pay, anything from nurses to the guy doing your landscaping.

Some people say, well, but Americans can still innovate and move to even higher skilled jobs. The fact is, there''s always a substantial percentage of people who don''t want or are not suited for high-skilled, college-educated jobs, or simply cannot afford the education needed. Even here, the U.S. is falling behind compared to countries like China and India, where higher education is prized and there is a surplus of highly-qualified, college-educated people just waiting to take over formerly American jobs. And the formerly U.S. corporations are more than happy to supply them.

[voltaire333]

McSame is tired and confused. He''s forgotten what he use to stand for. Let''s not go back to the old crusty ideas of the GOP, which have been nothing but band-aids while our country falls apart. Let''s head toward the future, and build a country that can compete globally. Let''s pull together and help Obama clean up Washington, and rid it of the dumb, lazy fat cats who live there now!!

[samthetvcat]

---"Even here, the U.S. is falling behind compared to countries like China and India, where higher education is prized and there is a surplus of highly-qualified, college-educated people just waiting to take over formerly American jobs. And the formerly U.S. corporations are more than happy to supply them."---
Posted by incog-nito

Yeah, it''s alarming. Those Chinese and Indians are so smart and work so hard, but they''ve got something extra as well that we culturally seem to lack - something like 25% of all US tech startups are started by Indian immigrants . . . percentage-wise that sounds like it might be disproportionate.

I like Barack''s idea of running on a ''turn-off-the-tv'' and ''read-to-your-kids'' platform. I wonder whether there''s anything he can do about this whole culture that elevates girls who make *** tapes like Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian to star status. And the Spears girls are a disaster. Boys apparently aren''t doing so great in school, and female role-models are kind of on a two-track system . . . I don''t know how we go about fixing it but maybe we need better role-models in this country?

I guess the idea of insisting trade agreements have labor and environmental standards is to hopefully even the playing field and put more money in the pockets of the Chinese etc so that they have more $ to buy American goods. But yeah, still not sure what it is we''re supposed to be selling them in return.

[samthetvcat]

---"Remember, corporations are there to make a profit any way they can and look out for their SELF-interest. That''s fine, but a democratic government is supposed to look out for its PEOPLE''s interest, not for the Chinese or Indian people''s interest."---
Posted by incog-nito

---"McSame''s adherence to the Reagan "trickle down" view of economics will eventually result in the exact same conditions they preach as the result of "communism", that is, a nation of slaves working only for the benefit of the "party elite", the only difference being that the "party" will nave a different name, the "Rich People''s Party".---
Posted by brianbwb

Great posts! Trickle down isn''t working because the corporate elite have gotten LAZY. Their profits over the last decade have come thanks to government regulation not thanks to any ingenuity on their part. That''s not true economic growth - enough with the coddling!

Also I think the rebate checks show that purchasing power is as vital to the economy as corporate growth. If the goal of ''free trade'' agreements was to knock down wages here at home, clearly this concept is in need of a correction . . .

[samsel3]

In March of 2008 a Cambridge, MA. oil & Gas consulting firm issued a report to Congress. In that report the Congress was told that the laws of supply & demand no longer apply to oil. Demand is constant with only small fluctuations at any given time. Although world demand will increase their is plenty of supply. BIG OIL currently leases millions of acres of oil & gas land & offshore sites that they could be pumping. However, it is not in their economic interest as they have enough supply at this time. Big oil does not want to loose profit by increasing supply , after all selling oil products is their business. Additional offshore and Alaskan wilderness leases are not necessary, Big Oil just wants additional control of these areas for future marketing. The Saudi''s and Big Oil are very happy with the Bush & Cheney energy policy which eliminated Iraqi world oil market manipulation. Saddam kept prices down by selling cheap thus preventing the Saudi''s & Big Oil from getting the prices up. Bush & Cheney opened Pandora''s box & now things will never be the same.

[watcher269-2009]

Here''''s REAL NEWS -- Must be hard to have all that money and not pay your bill.

Newsweek is set to publish a highly embarrassing report on Sen. John McCain, revealing that the McCains have failed to pay taxes on their beach-front condo in La Jolla, California, for the last four years and are currently in default, The Huffington Post has learned.

Under California law, once a residential property is in default for five years, it can be sold at a tax sale to recover the unpaid taxes for the taxpayers.

The McCains own at least seven homes through a variety of trusts and corporations controlled by Cindy McCain.

UPDATE: Newsweek''''s story is now online. The report notes that the McCains paid the bulk of their back taxes yesterday, but continue to owe additional taxes:

When you''''re poor, it can be hard to pay the bills. When you''''re rich, it''''s hard to keep track of all the bills that need paying. It''''s a lesson Cindy McCain learned the hard way when NEWSWEEK raised questions about an overdue property-tax bill on a La Jolla, Calif., property owned by a trust that she oversees. Mrs. McCain is a beer heiress with an estimated $100 million fortune and, along with her husband, she owns at least seven properties, including condos in California and Arizona. [...]

[wardoglrs]

Vote Bob Barr for prez and Wayne Root for vice and end this charade of BS politics

[jack3213]

There is never going to be "one Party" so better get into reality and realize the best the USA can succeed at is both parties working together. Obama & Clinton want ONE party- and that is just not reality. Working over the ailes and compromising is the key to accomplished issues and the safety of this country. McCain knows what that means. MCCAIN 2008-2012