Netroots Feel Jilted By Obama Over FISA

Politico: Online Liberal Activists Upset Dem Candidate Is Supporting Surveillance Bill

(The Politico)  This story was written by Carrie Budoff Brown.

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When former Sen. John Edwards dropped out of the presidential race, the progressive Netroots took their affections to Barack Obama, defending him against attack from Hillary Rodham Clinton and others.

But with his support of a government surveillance bill that offers retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies - a bill that he vowed last year to filibuster - the honeymoon has ended.

Disappointed over his position on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the online activists feel jilted and betrayed and have taken to questioning his progressive credentials. One prominent blogger, Atrios, has even given him the moniker “Wanker of the Day.”

“He broke faith,” said Matt Stoller, a political consultant and blogger at OpenLeft.com. “Obama pledged to filibuster, and he is part of that old politics, in this case, that he said he wasn’t. It will spur us to challenge him.”

The FISA debate marks the presumptive Democratic nominee’s first serious break from the liberal Netroots in the general election. He is still their candidate, but the FISA issue has reignited skepticism among major bloggers, who had largely pushed aside doubts about Obama when Edwards, their favored candidate, ended his bid in February.

Obama’s post-partisan persona hasn’t always meshed so well with the noisy and contentious Netroots, and his rise to prominence has come without their full-throated support. He told reporters in February that he doesn’t read blogs and has long been viewed as cool to the Netroots - a notion that the candidate’s new media director, Joe Rospars, disputed this week at the Personal Democracy Forum in New York, saying Obama was a favorite of the readers of the major bloggers.

Either way, the Netroots eventually took Obama’s side against Clinton, and some came to view him as a champion of progressive causes.

His stance on the FISA bill, however, has brought Obama back down to earth, in part because the liberal blogosphere cares more about civil liberties than many of the other traditional issues that have long dominated the Democratic agenda. While the mainstream media fixated on Obama’s decision to opt out of the public financing system - and newspaper editorial boards eviscerated him - the Netroots commended Obama for showing political savvy. After all, the readers of liberal blogs are many of the small donors who gave Obama reason to reject public financing.

FISA, however, was different. Many of the most popular progressive blogs built their following by mining anger toward President Bush, the Iraq war and what bloggers view as his disregard of the Constitution and the civil liberties guaranteed by it. By granting immunity to telecom companies, civil courts will likely dismiss lawsuits that might unearth details about the administration’s activities, eliminating an opportunity to hold Bush accountable.

“It angers the blogosphere to its core,” said Jane Hamsher, founder of the popular blog Firedoglake.com. “We want to be able to know: What did you do? If we can get that information, we can make sure they don’t do that again. We can get the public engaged.”

Obama’s decision to support the bill with the immunity provision was not surprising, she said. Republicans frame critics of such security measures as soft on terrorism, and the presumptive Democratic nominee probably does not want it used against him.

“[A] lot of people tried to convince themselves that he was a progressive hero, and I think they were disappointed,” Hamsher said. “You can feel a real shift in the zeitgeist online.”

Still, the disillusionment goes only so far. The liberal blogosphere’s most recognizable name, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, founder of Daily Kos, said Monday on MSNBC’s “Countdown With Keith Olbermann”: "Let’s be honest, it is either Obama or John McCain. So we really don’t have much of a choice."

At stake for Obama in the FISA vote is the intensity of support for Obama, Moulitsas said.

“I don’t want to hear him talk about leadership. I don’t want to hear him talk about defending the Constitution. I want to see him do it,” he said. “If he does, it will increase the intensity and level of support he gets from base Democrats. If he doesn’t, we may worry he is just another one of these spineless Democrats who are more afraid of controversy in doing the right thing than they are in actually doing the right thing.”

Already, Blue America PAC, a liberal online fundraising group, says it has raised more than $320,000 to fund activities “holding our elected representatives responsible for rubber-stamping the most grievous aspects of the Bush Regime’s agenda.”

MoveOn.org has called upon its members to pressure Obama to “keep his word” and block the bill. Obama gave no indication that he would support a filibuster, and a press aide did not respond to requests for clarification on this point.

The Senate overwhelmingly rejected the filibuster attempt Wednesday, voting 80-15 to end debate and move to final passage Thursday. Obama, who was not present for Wednesday's test vote, is expected to vote for an amendment stripping out the immunity provision. But even if the effort fails, as it has in the past, Obama would likely back the underlying bill.

By taking this position, Obama is threading the needle between Republican charges that he is weak on security and the desires of the Democratic base. To allay critics’ claims that he is giving a pass to the Bush administration, Obama aides pointed to a provision in the bill that requires an inspector general’s review of the surveillance program.

“It is not all that I would want,” Obama said of the legislation, which was negotiated by congressional leaders of both parties. “But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence-collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise but do so with a firm pledge that, as president, I will carefully monitor the program, review the report by the inspectors general and work with the Congress to take any additional steps I deem necessary to protect the lives - and the liberty - of the American people.”

Obama’s statement was viewed as a reversal from a pledge last year to oppose any bill with retroactive immunity for telecom companies.

But Obama told reporters Wednesday that the bill has changed from when that pledge was made, saying the latest version satisfied several of his concerns.

Dan Gerstein, a New York political consultant who supports Obama and former longtime aide to Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), said Obama now needs to stand by his support of the bill, given Republican efforts to brand Obama as a “reflexive, partisan liberal.” “This is really an important initial test for Obama,” he said.

“People will be looking at this to see whether he has the strength and independence to stand up to his friends and a significant support base and say, ‘I think this is right, and I am going to hold firm in my position.’”

The Netroots will be watching Thursday as the Senate considers the bill - and whether Obama simply casts his vote or whether he takes a strong stand in a floor speech.

“The fear out there is that Obama is going to fail to live up to expectations on key issues, and that reinforces the notion that ‘uh-oh, we picked the wrong candidate,’ when the focus should really be on the fact that the Bush administration broke the law with the help of private companies,” said Warren Street, a blogger at the Blue Girl, Red State bog.

[blackshaft-2009]

Michelle Obama will make this a right of every Sodomite!
The children will cry every night!

Sodomites will get their rights with Obamanites!
And then the children will lose their rights to the Sodomites! Please save the children from the night of two Sodomites!

Obamas pass word is? You guessed it!
Sodomites! The Sodomites will give him his victory for the night of the sodomite taking away the childs rights! Youll see!
Will you take the place of a child to spend two nights with two Sodomites who got their rights by the Obamanites?

Michelle Obama will give the childs rights to the Sodomites to spend every night!

[beastof70]

This also shows he''''s not in the pocket of MoveOn and other ultra liberal groups. I suppose that is now a bad thing to you righties, too.
Posted by nanc12 at 04:14 PM : Jun 26, 2008
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Nan, you truly can''t be this simple can you?

As I mentioned, all this reveals is how Sen. Obama knows he''s juggling too many balls and without a doubt there are far more dollars to be made from the bio-fuel producers.

Besides, who could the scum sucking American Trial Lawyers turn to, the GOP???

This is a voting block the Democrats can take for granted, just as they do so many other groups of hyphenated-Americans.

ROTFLMGTBO!!!

[greatdrivew]

I am honestly not certain who is a bigger chump: me for thinking Obama wasn''t a fraud; or Obama for being a fraud. I''m being serious.

I think a neutral judge would aver we''re both chumps. Well, I now see the light, but Barack''s still a fraud.

[standlee5]

Well we know who must be funding his campaign. All that blackberry using is probably bought and paid for by you-know-who.

[standlee5]

This guy is not trustworthy. Even his own base can''t figure out how he stands on issues. He was vehemently against this leading his pack of Bush haters on a rabid campaign against this. Now he flip-flops. He''s all over the board all the time.

[rowdywicca]

posted by nanc12
Um, nope, he didn''''''''t. Sorry

What he said was he thought the price increase was too rapid, to me that meant that he agreed with the increase. Wait until he is through all the rats will be deserting the ship in droves.


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Posted by dmw1167 at 05:37 PM : Jun 26, 2008

Well said and worth repeating!

[obama8years]

Obama is a modern-day Marxist.


Castro and Obama share many of the same values and principles for the country''s economy:

1. Redistribute the country''s wealth - Marxism 101

2. Grow the size of the government - Create new departments dedicated to supporting Item 1

3. Blame greedy American corporations for the pains of the US and the rest of the world

4 Increase taxes on those already paying the largest percentage and total amount. The top 1% already pay 39% of all taxes.

5 Nationalize healthcare

[zerato-2009]

Now he knows how hillary felt when she voted for the war, when pelosi backed down on approriating funds for the war: the far left leaves and holds a grudge. The reality of governing out weighs the price of rhetoric.

[greatdrivew]

I find the Obama apologists most amusing. They want so badly for people to perceive Obama''s FISA bill as a "comprimise," when it fact it''s nothing more than pander to the telecoms. Why if it was a monumental comprimise, did Obama wait until last Friday evening, after everyone was starting their weekend, to release the news thta he supports the pandered FISA bill.

The other thing that I find most amusing about the Obama apologists, is the pathetic and inevitable argument that they make that we''re stuck with Obama because McCain is such a bad choice. The Obama apologists are DEFINITELY wrong about that. We the People can go ahead an let McCain get elected. LEt COngress get all bound u p for the next fours years. Let nothing get done. And in the meantime, we can all start sending money to John Edwards for an 2012 run. We can load him up with half a billion dollars heading into that election, and then see some real change we can believe in.

SO yeah, America screwed up in letting Obama and Clinton take the light during the primary. THe true agent of change is John Edwards, and he and we lost. But 2012 we can win. Let McCain have this election. We can have change we actually believe in in just four years. With Obama, it''s eight years of his lying fraud.

[greatdrivew]

Barack Obama, a former constitutional law professor from the once illustrious U of Chicago, stabbed the Fourth Amendment, and his progressive base that put him here, in the back with his party''s FISA bill.

To make matters worse, he and his party are also embracing Scooter Libby justice by granting immunity to the telecom companies. And what did it take to get Obama''s party to join the GOP on spying on Americans and embracing in Scooter Libby justice?

All it took were campaign donations. That;s it: just more of the legalized graft and corruption of that Obama is obviously willing to embrace.

The issue that comes to mind now though, after this FISA bill, is how would Barack have really voted on the Iraq War had his vote mattered for anything. THis FISA bill strongly suggests that his vote would have been with the GOP.

Barack Obama is a say-anything, lying, fraud. Wake the hello up America!!!

[greatdrivew]

Barack Obama is a fraud. FISA isn''t the only stab in the back. He''s pandering to every crowd and special interest that he comes before. He''s is so absolutely arrogant, that while pandering to AIPAC, he actually had the audacity to make comments on final status issues. Obama is a loose cannon and a fraud. He''ll say anything to get elected, he''ll pander to anyone who will listen, we don''t know this guy, and he''s already stabbing people in the back.

His base needs to dump his asss, let the GOP win, and in four years, elect a candidate who isn''t a lying sack of sh!!t.

[trillion1]

What abunch of morons. The framers of the Constitution didn''t give us a right to privacy because we may have something to hide but to keep the goverment from prying into our personal lives because they feel like it.

[ioweign]

public class Obama_Marxist
{
switch(rev wrights church)
case "racist":
messagebox.show("Obama is bad for this country")
break;
case "marxist":
messagebox.show("he is a Marxist")
Me
}
Posted by obama8years at 04:46 PM : Jun 26, 2008

Fatal Error - does not compute - wrong Operating System - Error is being forwarded...

[rgrxx175]

www.therealmccain.com www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com
the truth is out there....

[Torilin]

lets vote for the old ***, maybe he''''ll give us a tax cut to us rich people, and then he could start a war with iran....


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Posted by RGRXX175


Great Idea!! My family will make BANK if we starts war with IRAN. Not to mention the permenant tax cut. Can''t be sweeter deal than that.

[rgrxx175]

lets vote for the old ***, maybe he''ll give us a tax cut to us rich people, and then he could start a war with iran....

[hk94]

Wow, a politician lied and or flip-floped on an issue. How shocking!

[barefootboy9]

The democrats just picked the wrong candidate this time around. Maybe it will be a good lesson for them.

[paris1969]

%u201CThe fear out there is that Obama is going to fail to live up to expectations on key issues, and that reinforces the notion that %u2018uh-oh, we picked the wrong candidate ..."
......... no kidding.

[greatdrivew]

Obama, McCain . . . what the h3ll difference does it make? Both parties are thoroughly corrupted, and both candidates are pandering louts.

Take a stand, vote your conscience, vote for a third party candidate.

Who cares who wins this election . . . in four years we can find a different candidate who''s cahnge we can actually believe in.