June 18, 2008

Muslim Women Moved From Obama TV Shot

Campaign Volunteers Prevented Women's Headscarves From Appearing On TV At Event

  • Audience members behind the podium cheer prior to the appearance of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and former Vice President Al Gore at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, Monday, June 16, 2008. A young Muslim woman Hebba Aref said Wednesday, June 18, 2008, that she and another Muslim woman were excluded by Obama campaign workers from participation in their groups' invitation to sit behind the podium, because, Aref said, they were wearing traditional Muslim head scarves. Photo

    Audience members behind the podium cheer prior to the appearance of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and former Vice President Al Gore at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, Monday, June 16, 2008. A young Muslim woman Hebba Aref said Wednesday, June 18, 2008, that she and another Muslim woman were excluded by Obama campaign workers from participation in their groups' invitation to sit behind the podium, because, Aref said, they were wearing traditional Muslim head scarves.  (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

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Two Muslim women at Barack Obama's rally in Detroit on Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women's headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate.

The campaign has apologized to the women, both Obama supporters who said they felt betrayed by their treatment at the rally. 

"This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama's commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. "We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers."

Building a human backdrop to a political candidate, a set of faces to appear on television and in photographs, is always a delicate exercise in demographics and political correctness. Advance staffers typically pick supporters out of a crowd to reflect the candidate's message.

When Obama won the North Carolina primary amid questions about his ability to connect with white voters, for instance, he stood in front of a group of middle-aged white women waving small American flags. On the Republican side, a Hispanic New Hampshire Democrat, Roberto Fuentes, told Politico that he was recently asked, and declined, to contribute to the "diversity" of the crowd behind Sen. John McCain at a Nashua event.

But for Obama, the old-fashioned image-making contrasts with his promise to transcend identity politics and to embrace all elements of America. The incidents in Michigan, which has one of the largest Arab and Muslim populations in the country, also raise an aspect of his campaign that sometimes rubs Muslims the wrong way: The candidate has vigorously denied a false, viral rumor that he himself is Muslim. But the denials seem to some at times to imply that there is something wrong with the faith, though Obama occasionally adds that he means no disrespect to Islam.

"I was coming to support him, and I felt like I was discriminated against by the very person who was supposed to be bringing this change, who I could really relate to," said Hebba Aref, a 25-year-old lawyer who lives in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Hills. "The message that I thought was delivered to us was that they do not want him associated with Muslims or Muslim supporters."

In Detroit on Monday, the two different Obama volunteers - in separate incidents - made it clear that headscarves wouldn't be in the picture. The volunteers gave different explanations for excluding the hijabs, one bluntly political and the other less clear.

In Aref's case, there was no ambiguity.

That incident began when the volunteer asked Aref's friend Ali Koussan and two other friends, Aref's brother Sharif and another young lawyer, Brandon Edward Miller, whether they would like to sit behind the stage. The three young men said they would, but mentioned they were with friends.

The men said the volunteer, a twenty-something African-American woman in a green shirt, asked if their friends looked and were dressed like the young men, who were all light-skinned and wearing suits. Miller said yes, but mentioned that one of their friends was wearing a headscarf with her suit.

The volunteer "explained to me that because of the political climate and what's going on in the world and what's going on with Muslim Americans, it's not good for [Aref] to be seen on TV or associated with Obama," said Koussan, who is a law student at Wayne State University.

Both Koussan and Miller said they specifically recalled the volunteer citing the "political climate" in telling them they couldn't sit behind Obama.

"I was like, 'You've got to be kidding me. Are you serious?'" Koussan recalled.

Shimaa Abdelfadeel's story was different. She'd waited on line outside the Joe Louis Arena for three hours in the sun and was walking through the giant hall when a voluteer approached two of her non-Muslim friends, a few steps ahead of her, and asked if they'd like to sit in "special seating" behind the stage, said one friend, Brittany Marino, who, like Abdelfadeel, is a recent University of Michigan graduate who works for the university.


When they said they were with Abdelfadeel, the volunteer told them their friend would have to take the headscarf off or stay out of the special section, Marino said. They declined the seats. 

After recovering from the shock of the incident, Abdelfadeel went to look for the volunteer and confronted her minutes later, she said in an e-mail interview with Politico.

"We're not letting anyone with anything on their heads like baseball [caps] or scarves sit behind the stage," she paraphrased the volunteer as saying, an account Marino confirmed. "It has nothing to do with your religion!"

In most work and school settings, religious dress - such as Jewish yarmulkes, Sikh turbans, Muslim hijabs - is permitted where secular clothing like baseball caps is not.

"The scarf is not just something she can take off - it's part of her identity," said Marino.

Photographs of the event also show men with hats in the section behind Obama and former Vice President Al Gore, though not directly behind the candidate.

Abdelfadeel, like Aref, felt "disappointed, angry and let-down," she later wrote.

She was "let-down that the Obama campaign continously perpetuates this attitude towards Muslims and Arabs - as if being merely associated [with] one is a sin."

The two women's friends who witnessed the incidents were disappointed too. Aref's friend Miller said he was "shocked" by the contrast between Obama's message and their experience.

"He was the one candidate who you would expect to stand up for something like that - and behind the scenes you have something completely contrary to what he was running on," said Koussan, Aref's other friend.

Aref and her friends complained to the campaign, and after those complaints and an inquiry from Politico, Obama's director of advance, Emmett S. Beliveau, called her to apologize.

An Obama aide also noted that the campaign has no policy against the candidate's appearing with women in headscarves: The next morning at Wayne State University, Obama posed for a picture with a student wearing a hijab.

Photographs from a Seattle rally earlier this year also clearly show a couple in Muslim clothes behind the candidate.

The administrator of the "Muslims4Obama" group on Obama's website, which is not a formal part of the campaign, also said she had "not heard anything regarding Muslim supporters being steered away from sitting behind Sen. Obama at the event," and noted that he had Muslim supporters present at events in Minnesota, including one at which he stood with a Muslim member of Congress, Keith Ellison.

Aref said she was glad Obama had apologized, but she was not entirely satisfied.

"I think this is a much bigger deal than maybe they're perceiving it as," she said, noting that Obama had placed a personal call to a television reporter he'd dismissively called "Sweetie."

"An apology from him personally would be better," she said, then reconsidered. "If they are true to their word, I think it would suffice to have an invitation to their next rally and have seats behind him and show up on TV."


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by barbaraf4 June 18, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
That''s okay. After the election, Michelle will put her headscarf back on and the doors to the White House will be thrown open to Muslims.
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by June 18, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
Who''s the racist now.
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by briannorwood June 18, 2008 3:50 PM PDT
It is so sad that he had to do this. But you could imagine the right-wing running a picture of women in headscarves all over the place (as they have already done).

For the first time in my adult life, I AM embarrassed for my country!
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by broadwayphi June 18, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
I''m a Christian, an Obama supporter and pro-Israel.

But this is not good.

I have seen the equation of Muslims = Bad too often this year.

The Obama campaign needs to redress this wrong -- and people need to quit displaying such blatant intolerance as I am already witnessing in some of these comments.
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by saresse34 June 18, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
I am Sick of these Muslims and there ways they want everyone to change for them but G-d forbide they have to adopt to a free society, you need to live in a Muslim Country not here, Religion has nothing to do with school, work or politics, America better wake up becuase they want to take oue Free Society away from us, that is the reason i will not vote for Obama, I do not want a Muslim running this Country especially one that did not vote for Making English the Official language. We are all in Trouble!!!
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by zwe453 June 18, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
KEEP ALL THE FLDS CULT MEMBERS IN ARIZONIA WITH MCBUSH!
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by vastr-wcon June 18, 2008 4:06 PM PDT

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Another item to add to hussein''s one paragraph resume: HYPOCRITE.

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by smashwl7 June 18, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
The woman were sent there by the GOP to make Obama look like he had the support of the terroist!
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by smashwl7 June 18, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
Remember America Barack Obama taught Constitutional Law: He will PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSITITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SO HELP HIM GOD!

The Supreme Court said Obama was right and McCain was wrong last week.

McCain, Bush and the GOP will PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND BIG OIL AND THERE PROFITS SO HELP THEM EXXON! EVEN IF IT MEANS HURTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND SUPPORTING TERROIST BY BUYING THERE OIL!
Obama 08/12 BECUASE I LOVE AMERICA!
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by smashwl7 June 18, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
Remember America Barack Obama taught Constitutional Law: He will PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSITITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SO HELP HIM GOD!

The Supreme Court said Obama was right and McCain was wrong last week.

McCain, Bush and the GOP will PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND BIG OIL AND THERE PROFITS SO HELP THEM EXXON/MOBIL!

EVEN IF IT MEANS HURTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND SUPPORTING TERROIST BY BUYING THERE OIL!
Obama 08/12 BECUASE I LOVE AMERICA!
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by zwe453 June 18, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
I am Sick of these FLDS MEMBERS and there ways they want everyone to change for them but G-d forbide they have to adopt to a free society, you need to live in a FREE Country not here, Religion has nothing to do with school, work or politics, America better wake up becuase they want to take oue Free Society away from us, that is the reason i will not vote for MCCAIN, I do not want a FLDS CULT MEMBER running this Country especially one that did not vote for Making English the Official language. We are all in Trouble!!!
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by ricknuber June 18, 2008 4:17 PM PDT
"KEEP ALL THE FLDS CULT MEMBERS IN ARIZONIA WITH MCBUSH!"
Posted by ZWE453 at 04:03 PM : Jun 18, 2008

Hey!!! I''m in AZ! Why can''t we send all of the aforementioned wackos to YOUR state?
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by terrorislami June 18, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
HUSSEIN IS SOFT ON FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIST JIHADISTS,,,

HELL HIS KENYAN FAMILY AND TRIBE ARE FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIST JIHADISTS,,,

Obama Sides With Radical Islamists

The magnitude of difference between the two candidates running in our presidential election could not be more stark! After reading the statements of both Obama and McCain regarding the horrible Supreme Court 5-4 decision to allow Gitmo detainees the right to be tried in civilian courts, we can clearly see what a flawed, unfortunate, and terrible direction Obama would take this country if [God forbid!!]elected in November.

Obama''s statement:

Barack Obama statement on the Supreme Court''s 5-4 decision today extending civilian legal protections to terrorist suspects held in Guantanamo Bay:

Um...er...earth to Obama? Foreign terrorists caught in battle against our forces during war have never been eligible for "habeas corpus"! They are not covered by the Constitution of the United States of America. So...what "rule of law" are you referring to?
http://talkwisdom.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-sides-with-radical-islamists.html
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by yankeerebel7 June 18, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
Not cool, Obama. Not cool. These are Americans (and your supporters) and you won''t even be seen in the same picture with them because of their traditional head dress??

Why...because it''s politically inconvenient?
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by zwe453 June 18, 2008 4:25 PM PDT
MCBUSH IS SOFT ON FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIST JIHADISTS,,,

HELL HIS FLDS FAMILY AND TRIBE ARE FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIST JIHADISTS,,,

MCBUSH Sides With FLDS LEADERS
The magnitude of difference between the two candidates running in our presidential election could not be more stark! After reading the statements of both Obama and McCain regarding the great Supreme Court 5-4 decision to allow Gitmo detainees the right to be tried in civilian courts, we can clearly see what a flawed, unfortunate, and terrible direction mcbush would take this country if [God forbid!!]elected in November.

mcbushes statement:

mcbush statement on the Supreme Court''''s 5-4 decision today extending civilian legal protections to terrorist suspects held in Guantanamo Bay:

Um...er...earth to mcbush? Foreign terrorists caught in battle against our forces during war have never been eligible for "habeas corpus"! They are not covered by the Constitution of the United States of America. So...what "rule of law" are you referring to?
http://talkwisdom.blogspot.com/2008
/06/obama-sides-with-radical-islamists.h
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obama 08!
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by lilvinnyb June 18, 2008 4:25 PM PDT
Obama just said today that he would not make OBL a "martyar" (ie..ill let him live). Another reason why this guy should not be president. As I said...our enemies will walk all over this weakling.

As for buying oil from terrorists...if the dems let us drill our own we would not have to. Correct me if im wrong, but didnt the dems threaten to sue opec (ie terrorists) for not producing more oil.

cant have it BOTH ways.
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by displeased June 18, 2008 4:27 PM PDT
Why...because it''''s politically inconvenient?
Posted by yankeerebel7

Because people are too judgmental. If he''s seen in a photo with muslim supporters, then that makes him muslim. That''s the mentality of some of the population anyway. By the way, it wasn''t Obama that made that decision. It was some volunteers.
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by zwe453 June 18, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
juan mcbush is a flds cult member and child rapist!
obama 08!
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by displeased June 18, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
Obama just said today that he would not make OBL a "martyar" (ie..ill let him live). Another reason why this guy should not be president.
Posted by lilvinnyb

Bush hasn''t been going after OBL. Didn''t he say a few years back "it''s not our priority"?
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by smirk5 June 18, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
John McCain''s Flip-flop of the Day:

Today, John is now for oil drilling off U.S. shores. Yesterday, he was against it.

This has been John McCain''s flip-flop of the day.
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by zwe453 June 18, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
cindy mcbush is a drug adict!
obama 08!
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by zwe453 June 18, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
MCBUSH IS SOFT ON FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIST JIHADISTS,,,

HELL HIS FLDS FAMILY AND TRIBE ARE FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIST JIHADISTS,,,

MCBUSH Sides With FLDS LEADERS
The magnitude of difference between the two candidates running in our presidential election could not be more stark! After reading the statements of both Obama and McCain regarding the great Supreme Court 5-4 decision to allow Gitmo detainees the right to be tried in civilian courts, we can clearly see what a flawed, unfortunate, and terrible direction mcbush would take this country if [God forbid!!]elected in November.

mcbushes statement:

mcbush statement on the Supreme Court''''''''s 5-4 decision today extending civilian legal protections to terrorist suspects held in Guantanamo Bay:

Um...er...earth to mcbush? Foreign terrorists caught in battle against our forces during war have never been eligible for "habeas corpus"! They are not covered by the Constitution of the United States of America. So...what "rule of law" are you referring to?
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by yankeerebel7 June 18, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
Why...because it''''''''s politically inconvenient?
Posted by yankeerebel7

Because people are too judgmental. If he''''s seen in a photo with muslim supporters, then that makes him muslim. That''''s the mentality of some of the population anyway. By the way, it wasn''''t Obama that made that decision. It was some volunteers.

Posted by Displeased at 04:27

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Right, so it was a political move to distance himself from his Muslim supporters? Since when is it honorable to play to the lowest common denominator or racists, etc? Where is the integrity...this guy''s supposed to be a unifier. I can gurantee you he will be a divisive president, like Bush.
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by dinkydog1 June 18, 2008 4:43 PM PDT
Um...er...earth to mcbush? Foreign terrorists caught in battle against our forces during war have never been eligible for "habeas corpus"! They are not covered by the Constitution of the United States of America. So...what "rule of law" are you referring to?


Posted by ZWE453 at 04:33 PM : Jun 18, 2008

...............

Very few if any are solders caught in battle against our forces, they are mostly civialians suspected of terrorism by association or heresay. If the bushies could convict a single one of them of terrorism they would have been tried years ago.
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by scottyusa June 18, 2008 4:44 PM PDT
This would be funny if not so idiotic. I bet the news would have had great coverage if they were allowed to be in the picture for obvious reasons. This is what these volunteers were doing. Trying to prevent what has happened but for the opposite reason. Head scarves, by the way, were real popular in america in the 40s and 50s. Women would wear them while housecleaning. I remember my own mother wore them all the time in the 50s when I was a kid. Funny how things change eh? We are not muslim or catholic. I guess we were just "americans" just like we are today.
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by questionnews June 18, 2008 4:51 PM PDT
"I''m running for President to represent all Americans, not just people of one political party"

"Except the two chicks behind me"
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by rheola-2009 June 18, 2008 4:56 PM PDT

Posted by yankeerebel7 at 04:38 PM : Jun 18, 2008


Come on!

If a photograph showing the two women in headscarves had been published, you and your kind would have been first to call him a Muslim lover.

His volunteers were only attempting to protect him from those who attempt to read what is not there, into anything they can, to gain a political advantage.

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by rudy654-2009 June 18, 2008 4:58 PM PDT
Heckk, I don''t blame the volunteers. Just look at the Obama haters here trying to use this against him. Had they allowed the Muslim women in the picture, they would be using that against him too. The Obama haters hate Obama, period, because he is Black, period. End of story.
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by yankeerebel7 June 18, 2008 4:58 PM PDT
Isn''t the Obama campaign smart enough to realize that THIS provides much more ammunition for his political opponents than if they just let the woman sit there. Why are they worrying about people who aren''t going to vote for him anyway?

I honestly see this guy losing big in November.
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by questionnews June 18, 2008 5:00 PM PDT
Come on!

If a photograph showing the two women in headscarves had been published, you and your kind would have been first to call him a Muslim lover.

His volunteers were only attempting to protect him from those who attempt to read what is not there, into anything they can, to gain a political advantage.


Posted by rheola at 04:56 PM : Jun 18, 2008

What about courage of conviction!!?? I would given him big time kudos for being in the picture with these women. What could anyone really say without revealing thier bias?? But if this is how he shows his colors (no pun intended) I have now lost a bit of respect for him.
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by rudy654-2009 June 18, 2008 5:01 PM PDT
Posted by Questionnews at 05:00 PM

You don''t have courage of conviction, so don''t imagine others don''t.
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by rudy654-2009 June 18, 2008 5:03 PM PDT
Posted by shazam95 at 05:01 PM

Probably not, because all of the Xtians pretend to love Jews.
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by rudy654-2009 June 18, 2008 5:04 PM PDT
Posted by linymo at 04:58 PM

Quit pretending.
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by nanc12 June 18, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
Why did it take CBS all day to put this on here just as everyone is going home for the day?
Posted by ddhinnyc at 04:41 PM : Jun 18, 2008

Perhaps they thought you shouldn''t be getting paid by your employer for you''re blogging at work, and wanted you to see it when you got home.
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by rudy654-2009 June 18, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
Posted by architekker at 05:03 PM

Ugly is as ugly does, and you sure is ugly and I don''t even care what you look like. You are also a coward, as you sink to the level of going after his wife.
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by Latrocinor June 18, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
Heckk, I don''''t blame the volunteers. Just look at the Obama haters here trying to use this against him. Had they allowed the Muslim women in the picture, they would be using that against him too. The Obama haters hate Obama, period, because he is Black, period. End of story.

Posted by rudy654
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Well put.
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by xyno-2009 June 18, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
"I''''m running for President to represent all Americans, not just people of one political party"

"Except the two chicks behind me"

Posted by Questionnews at 04:51 PM : Jun 18, 2008

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LOL
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by yankeerebel7 June 18, 2008 5:09 PM PDT
So I guess the Obama campaign is going to do everything according to how Repubicans might view him...or by what''s politically expedient. What a courageous and principled leader. Just man up and let the woman, a supporter of yours, in the background. This looks much worse.
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by nanc12 June 18, 2008 5:09 PM PDT
Posted by rudy654
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Well put.

Posted by bhoogren

Yep - all the people so indignant about it here would have been crowing about how the muslims support Obama, and they got preferential seating because he''s a muslim. They''re just p*ssed they''re not able to do that now.
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by Latrocinor June 18, 2008 5:09 PM PDT
Look at this! Obama really is a Muslim!

Posted by ddhinnyc
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Last I heard he was a Democrat running for President.

Are you sure you are on the right forum? I thought the "Lets Prove Obama is a Muslim" forum was on the KKK website. http://www.kkk.com/
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by questionnews June 18, 2008 5:10 PM PDT
Posted by Questionnews at 05:00 PM

You don''''t have courage of conviction, so don''''t imagine others don''''t.

Posted by rudy654 at 05:01 PM : Jun 18, 2008

Nice come back there Potsie! Care to explain or can you only pop off with unsupported one-liners? Do you think that he should hide the concept that all citizen are entitled to recognition from the leader of the US??
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by darnedsocks June 18, 2008 5:10 PM PDT
WHAT ARE MUSLIMS DOING IN THE UNITED STATES ANYWAY? ISLAM''S TEACHINGS ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH DEMOCRACY, WHICH IS BASED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES. THEY NEED TO OPEN THEIR MINDS AND TRULY BECOME AMERICANS!
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by darnedsocks June 18, 2008 5:11 PM PDT
THESE MUSLIM WOMEN APPARENTLY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW. IF THEY WERE, THEY WOULDN''T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
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by Latrocinor June 18, 2008 5:12 PM PDT

Yep - all the people so indignant about it here would have been crowing about how the muslims support Obama, and they got preferential seating because he''''s a muslim. They''''re just p*ssed they''''re not able to do that now.

Posted by nanc12
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That''s my take too.
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by feelfree4u June 18, 2008 5:15 PM PDT

Re: "Campaign Volunteers Wanted To Prevent Women''s Headscarves From Appearing On TV"

What a bunch of reactionary fools.
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by Latrocinor June 18, 2008 5:15 PM PDT
WHAT ARE MUSLIMS DOING IN THE UNITED STATES ANYWAY? ISLAM''''S TEACHINGS ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH DEMOCRACY, WHICH IS BASED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES. THEY NEED TO OPEN THEIR MINDS AND TRULY BECOME AMERICANS!

Posted by darnedsocks
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It''s very simple. The ones here are here because of the same reasons everyone else is.

Born here, escaping persecution, wanting a moderate Islam, etc. etc. All the same reasons everyone else were motivated by.
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by blueshadow19 June 18, 2008 5:21 PM PDT
This is going to come back and be an issue. His people should have known better.
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by lorinkundert June 18, 2008 5:22 PM PDT
Hmmm, What does this make Obama? certainly not a man that values liberty and the rights of the people, unless they are dressed the right way.
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by rudy654-2009 June 18, 2008 5:24 PM PDT
Posted by Questionnews at 05:10 PM

Care to explain why Obama is Dammmed if he does, or dammmed if he doesn''t by the likes of you? Of course not hypocrite.
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by mrmazerati June 18, 2008 5:26 PM PDT
Where are all the people calling Obama Muslim lately? They are strangely absent.
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