Father's Day: Time To Accessorize

Ben Stein Says Reports Of The Death Of The Necktie Have Been Greatly Exaggerated

(CBS)  Bad news for one Father's Day gift-giving tradition: The Men's Dress Furnishings Association, a trade group of necktie manufacturers, says it's shutting down, due to slumping demand. Obviously these hapless haberdashers didn't consult with our Contributor Ben Stein:

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You see this lovely silken thing around my neck? It's called a necktie.

When I was a lad and a younger man, men wore these to show they did not work with picks and shovels and pitchforks.

Ties were a symbol of white collar status, although even some workmen wore them under their leather aprons.

If you had on a necktie, it showed you had some sense of organization, some sense of dignity about yourself.

Even schoolboys wore them. At fabulous boarding schools like Cardigan Mountain in New Hampshire, where my handsome son went, boys still wear them. It showed, to use a word that you rarely hear, class.

Now, I read in The Wall Street Journal, on the front page, if you please, that men don't wear neckties any longer unless they are in subservient posts.

This will probably come as a bit of a surprise to Senators McCain and Obama, as well as to President Bush. They generally wear neckties, at least on TV.

It will probably come as a shock to all of the network newscasters and the late night talk show hosts. They're the coolest guys on the planet, and they wear neckties.

But never mind. The Journal says only 6% of men wear neckties to work, and the necktie is being run down by history.

I hereby quote my late great friend Bill Buckley and say, I am going to stand in front of the train of sartorial history and shout, "STOP!"

The necktie is a sign of a man who is there to work, not to play. It's what a man who takes his responsibilities seriously wears. Men who want to look and act like small children dress like small children, or surfers, or hoboes, or something.

Plus, the necktie covers over a little part of one's paunchy stomach. And it just generally makes a man look better, smarter.

My fellow men: stop dressing like children. Start dressing like grownups and acting like grownups. The necktie is a start.

Kids, it's the perfect time of year to get your dads a necktie. Get with the program, before we become a nation of open-collared slackers.

I mean it. Right now. And then straighten up your room.

[cerberusii]

Ben, you''re out of your mind!! We recommend diamonds and pearls for our wives/significant others, and you''re recommending neck ties?? How about a nice set of golf clubs for those who play, or something that US DADs really could use! like a new toolbox, a watch, hand grips for the pistol in the safe. Mother''s Day is a multi million dollar industry unlike Father''s Day. We deserve a bit more than just a neck tie!..the days of status-quo are over!! If a tie is a sign of a man who''s here to work is your distorted view of the working class. I know you wear a tie, and I think that makes you feel a lot better, giving you a sense of superiority when in reality, all of your scripted knowledge may be worth more than the designer, over-priced, chinesse bulk-made ties you wear on television.

[halg19]

Enjoyed your piece on neckties. however I have noticed that many men, including celebrities and politicians do not pay enough attention to the knot in their tie. They seem to throw left over right etc and if the two ends are even or the wide part is longer they are done. What happened to attention to the evenness of the know and lest we forget a little dimple in the the tie below the knot. Why should I vote for a candidate who can''t pay enough attention even to this smallest but visible detail.

[marksievel]

So Ben Stein declares "The necktie is a sign of a man who is there to work, not to play. It''s what a man who takes his responsibilities seriously wears. Men who want to look and act like small children dress like small children, or surfers, or hoboes, or something."
So what about footwear? Isn''t a good pair of leather shoes also a sign of a man who is there to work, not to play? Ben Stein is famous for natty appearance from the ankles up, but not on his feet. Personally I think it is a good thing that practical, comfortable clothing seems to be winning against the silly ritual of tying a useless piece of cloth around the neck.

[bqs123]

Well Ben, after those comments on neckties, They do make YOU look smarter than you really are!
get a life Ben. at least talk about something someone else cares about!

[szq1222]

If am reminded of my husband, who when dressed up, could not be identified as a construction worker or blue collar, as they are known. He was always immaculately dressed, groomed and could tie a knot in his tie that would put him in line with the best of the best. Unlike the knot in Ben Stein''s tie this morning. My late husband preferred a Windsor but could tie them all well. (Maybe because he was also had to tie knots practicing his trade as an electrician) If you are going to comment on class - don''t model your knot as an example, Mr. Stein.

[marksievel]

When Ben visited UMASS recently, the Daily Collegian reported:
Stein walked onstage wearing a suit, tie and a pair of Simple brand tennis shoes, as if he was torn between whether he should go skateboarding or attend a board meeting.

[mlaird3]

I shut the TV off during his comments. STATUS-QUO! What about the men who built the skyscrapers that tie wearing men wear their ties to? They are hard-working men. I have a friend that is an Iron worker, he will never wear a tie; he will be building the new trade center. I know that he is a "man who is there to work, not to play.. ." He is a man "who takes his responsibilities seriously"

Also the men an women overseas in Iraq are not wearing neckties while fighting. I have friends and family who are finally home safe after serving in this war and they do not wear ties to work but they are there to work. Trust me after war my 23 year old cousin is no longer a child. Tie or no tie.

What happend to not judging a book by its cover?

[mlaird3]

YEah didn''t he and Jimmy Kimmel wear Air Walk sneakers during Win Ben Steins money?

[hypnotoad72]

When I was a lad and a younger man, men wore these to show they did not work with picks and shovels and pitchforks.

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What''s wrong with those? Without construction workers, you wouldn''t have a place to live in. Or anyone else for that matter...

[joechristine]

Happy Father''s Day!!
____Blessing from China

[diogeron]

CBS should be embarrassed to have Ben Stein still on their program after the dishonest and intellectually bankrupt "documentary" he produced attempting to debunk evolution. As a former academic, I lost all respect for Ben Stein after seeing that piece of junk film and as soon as I saw the teaser for Ben Stein''s piece on "Sunday Morning," I switched the station.

[fredhetz]

I enjoyed Ben Stein most when he was in John Hughes movies and doing his game show. Ever since his documentary, I feel the urge to beat him over the head with a book by Charles Darwin.

[juliarose4]

"Men who want to look and act like small children dress like small children, or surfers, or hoboes, or something. "
"When I was a lad and a younger man, men wore these to show they did not work with picks and shovels and pitchforks. "
This upsets me. What is wrong with surfers? Or men who do physical work? Nothing. Construction workers aren''t less important or less of a man then those who work in big buildings or offices. My father surfs and is a construction worker, with his own business. He has class. He is polite, respectful, and is more than a man then YOU Ben Stein. He doesn''t judge people on what they do, wear, or enjoy but on the character of the person. He is no snob, unlike YOU Ben Stein. And your telling me that he looks and acts like a small child and is less important then men who practice the silly ritual of tying a useless piece of cloth around the neck? That doesn''t make any sense to me. All you are, Ben Stein, is a judgmental coward with the comfortable security of a TV screen separating you from everyone your offending.

[rushlimpdrug]

"My fellow men: stop dressing like children."


ben you should have enough money to fix your nose.

CBS could look into getting a person who could
write something of REAL value.

Of course ben would think ANY labor is immoral.

Please ben move to china, they respect a
necktie there.

[husein_pasha]

Every day is father`s day!
I wish all farhera nicw celebrations

[incog-nito]

Well, now we know who really are the "elite".

[incog-nito]

Well, now we know who really are the "elite".

[excbser]

When Ben says "The necktie is a sign of a man who is there to work, not to play. It''s what a man who takes his responsibilities seriously wears," does he include those tieless military personnel in Iraq fighting a war based on false pretenses, a war that he supports?

[skidmarkcat]

Ben, David Letterman WORKS in sweatpants and a t-shirt. He hosts his show, yes wearing a tie...but he''s also wearing wrestling shoes! You quoting Bill Buckley is equally laughable! How many photos of Bill, working hard, could I send you where he is NOT wearing a tie!? How many research scientist performing all manner of miracles a day wear a tie? A tie is simply a hindrance to hard work as I''m sure you yourself see routinely in the bowels of news offices where they are loosened if not removed...or even worn at all. You''re not going to reincarnate Ward Cleaver into this generations work force! Did you catch the segment on hats earlier in the program???? Ehh??

[skidmarkcat]

By the way Ben: Service/Hard Work is what drives this country. For you to dimish the working class for their attire is abhorrent. You are absurdly famous and overpaid for your talent of being BORING.

[jetsetdog]

What an ***!

[redwallabbe1]

Is everyone writing from the same talking points? It certainly seems so. I guess when someone challenges the "status quo" (darwinism), they can expect to attacked even when they talk about innocuous subjects like neckties. Commentors here need to stop being offended and get a thicker skin, none of you sound as though you are in fact blue collar workers or even the tee-shirt clad cyber-entrepeneurs.

[nightsky45202003]

Ben Stein, you truly a a snob & a jerk. Men who didn''t wear ties all the time made this country great.The ones who continue to work hard,raise decent families & succeed in all areas..Without wearing a tie to do it.None of our words will change your mind,or your snobbish,boorish attitude.. BUT I do hope that one day your life & the continuation of it depends on someone who has never worn a tie.

[nightsky45202003]

Ben Stein, you truly a a snob & a jerk. Men who didn''t wear ties all the time made this country great.The ones who continue to work hard,raise decent families & succeed in all areas..Without wearing a tie to do it.None of our words will change your mind,or your snobbish,boorish attitude.. BUT I do hope that one day your life & the continuation of it depends on someone who has never worn a tie.

[gpdahl083]

I don''t wear a tie. I work hard and take my job very seriously.
Ben Stein''s comments are really starting to annoy me. He is forever spouting elitist ***. He is a typical rich guy who thinks money makes you better than others.
Some of the best people I have known in my life never had much money and seldom wore ties.
Get rid of this self-absorbed blow-hard with his dull voice and bored expression.

[skidmarkcat]

redwallabbe1 - CBS''s Sunday Morning is a show I enjoyed with my father and continue to enjoy with my son. It''s a show that has always had a sort of uplifting, great-start-to-the-day element. Loaded with stories of rich, poor, healthy, ill, etc I always come away loving that show. Ben Stein for the first time in my decades of watching dirtied it. He pointed a finger at those unadorned with a tie and the working class and defined them pretty much as ditch-diggers and children. Ben Stein is a (place numerous expetives HERE). It is entirely because his comments were nested in this platform that all of us feel the need to give voice (or text as it may be) to our feelingS...BEN STEIN IS RUINING SUNDAY MORNING!!!!

[dfziggy]

I agree that Ben Stein is ruining Sunday Morning. Perhaps the reason the tie is becoming less popular is because there is now less focus in our culture on distinguishing class boundaries- Old Boys Club Ben wants to maintain those boundaries, and sees the devaluation of the tie as a threat to his classist way of life. The tie is not a sign of hard work, it is a sign of pomp and privilege- which Ben cares about much more than work ethic.

[akiconoclast]

Kudos to Ben Stein: I am going to speak against the grain here. I live in a part of the country that REALLY doesn''t like neckties (Alaska). I also must confess that I always like Ben Stein, especially when he is prodding the status quo. ("Bueller? Bueller?"). Another comment here said it best: get a thicker skin. The necktie is one of the only adornments that a fellow can wear with any individuality. I started wearing neckties about twenty years ago when I found myself in meetings with Air Force officers and I felt like "an open-collared slacker". People ascribe too much and, at the same time, too little importance to neckties. Whether you like it or not, a necktie indicates a certain seriousness of purpose. This is not to say that anyone who chooses not to wear a tie is any less worthy, or of a lower class. Those days are gone, thankfully. Three cheers for Ben Stein; may he continue with his humorous editorials. Please keep him on the program.

[mikereed1947]

Someone has to answer Ben Stein''s commentary in praise of that indefensible affiliation that has been forced on males by habit and an establishment culture of conformity. That affliction is the necktie. I
am close to Ben''s age, only three years younger, and I work in a profession (engineering) that for years required the wearing of neckties. I never liked ties nor did I like having to pay for something that was so completely useless. Now there are studies that (1) point to tight neckties as a cause of glaucoma, (2) that have shown that doctor''s neckties are breeding grounds for disease and infection, and (3) that even the slightest pressure on the sides of the neck may have an effect on the flow of blood to the brain. This latter problem is said to have
an effect on cognitive abilities - this may explain why Ben can''t see the truth about neckties.

That Ben and others have accepted this fashion affectation as an outward sign of professionalism is very odd. For people who value reason and logic to accept a fashion accessory as a symbol of professionalism and competence is truly amazing. Would Ben be as supportive if the fashion
accessory chosen for this honored role had been the knee breeches that were so popular with our ancestors?

[kiltedlass]

I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Stein. How dare you say that if a man, by not wearing a tie, is somehow saying he is not an adult? My father worked at WSMR testing missiles for 30 years. When conducting rail tests, they were routinely out in the southern New Mexico/West Texas sun in the middle of summer....where it routinely gets over 100F. If these men had been out there in shirts and ties, they would have been passing out from heat stroke on a regular basis.

Let''s also not forget a lot of professions out there where wearing a necktie would be a safety hazard. Would you have men endangering their lives just because of your ridiculous notion of what grown men wear?