June 12, 2008
McCain, Obama Reach Out To Women Voters
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John McCain's most prominent female supporter, former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina, will embark on a female-focused speaking tour in Ohio and Pennsylvania. (AP)
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Sen. John McCain and his aides have gone out of their way to praise Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in recent days, and by the end of the week his most prominent female supporter, former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina, will embark on a female-focused speaking tour in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
The presidential campaign is hoping to capitalize on the "security moms" who backed President Bush over Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) in the 2004 election, while making inroads with other voters by questioning Sen. Barack Obama's experience on the economy and foreign affairs and trying to exploit unhappiness with his defeat of Clinton.
Their effort is understandable. While working-class white men have been a focus of the primaries, women -- who made up 54 percent of the electorate in 2004 -- may prove to be more decisive in the fall election.
McCain's overtures to women in the past have been limited -- his daughter Meghan McCain writes her own blog and his chief strategist's wife heads up a voluntary women's outreach group -- and now he is offering independent and Democratic women the unconventional pitch that his policy prescriptions for economic, health-care and environmental issues trump such traditional issues as equal pay, abortion rights and contraception coverage.
"No one should take a woman's vote for granted, and the Democratic Party should certainly not take it for granted," said Fiorina, who appeared on "Good Morning America" yesterday as part of her effort to reach female voters. "I'm a woman, and as a woman, I'm really proud Hillary Clinton ran for president. I am enormously proud of what she did, and frankly, I have enormous sympathy for what she went through."
Fiorina, who has campaigned for McCain for months and now serves as the Republican National Committee's Victory chair, said that while Republicans have not always won women as a bloc, the campaign has "a level playing field to work with" because "there are Democratic women who are very upset with the way the Democratic primary went."
But the Obama campaign and its allies are already courting Clinton's supporters with phone calls and behind-the-scenes negotiations on staffing and say they are confident that even Democratic women who have expressed anger about the outcome of the primaries would support Obama in the fall because of the Democratic Party's stance on domestic issues.
Obama senior adviser Anita Dunn said women were torn in the Democratic primary contests because voters were choosing between "two historic candidates, when both historic candidates had excellent records on women's issues."
"We're not running against Hillary Clinton any longer, and that's not the choice women have to make," she said yesterday. "They're choosing between two candidates who have dramatically different records on women's issues, neither of whom are a woman."
Women's groups moved quickly to close ranks behind the presumptive Democratic nominee this week,with several former Clinton supporters joining in a conference call to try to debunk McCain's assertion that he can appeal to women. Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, posted an article on the Huffington Post Web site on Tuesday explaining why her late mother, Ann Richards, who was a governor of Texas, would have backed Obama -- "Mom required only one thing of the many folks who asked for her campaign help: a 100 percent belief in women's rights" -- and her group is organizing 250 parties nationwide next week where female activists will tout Obama's legislative record.
But no one is underestimating the task ahead, which is to blitz voters with information on the two candidates' records to convince them that McCain is not as moderate as many women think he is.
"Let me be clear: We've got a lot of work to do," said Emily's List Executive Director Ellen Moran, whose Democratic political action committee backed Clinton's presidential bid but now favors Obama. "We're starting to do the research and focus the debate."
Polling data suggest that women are more likely than men to hold unfavorable views of McCain and to say they support Obama over McCain. But a Pew Research Center survey in late May suggested that the Democratic nomination battle may have had consequences for Obama. That poll found Obama just slightly ahead of McCain among women, 47 to 42 percent, while the two were nearly even among men, 47 percent for Obama to 46 percent for McCain.
Democrats are now taking heart from a Gallup daily tracking poll, which shows Obama making greater gains among women than men since Clinton left the race. "Obama's lead among women has now expanded from five percentage points to 13, while his deficit among men has shrunk from six points to two," Gallup reported.
The Planned Parenthood Action Fund has started distributing material advertising that McCain supports overturning Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, and has opposed federal funding for comprehensive sex education at home and family planning overseas. It has given the senator a zero percent lifetime voting rating on women's issues. And Obama is likely to include a new section on women's issues in his stump speech, Dunn said, now that "he has a very different opponent" than Clinton.
But while the two candidates differ sharply on issues such as abortion rights and family planning, both camps probably will focus on economic issues to appeal to women this fall. In separate interviews yesterday, supporters used identical language to discuss how McCain and Obama view rising gasoline prices.
"John McCain gets that it now costs $80 to fill up your minivan when it used to cost $40," strategy director Sarah Simmons said.
"When you spend $76 to fill up the tank of your minivan, that's real money," said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), adding that when Obama talks about issues that matter to women, "that is really going to win them over and warm them to him."
McCain advisers said they plan to appeal to women in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Kentucky, who may be easier to sway than male union members, and who probably will consider economic issues as more critical than questions about contraception.
"The best thing we can do for women voters in this country is secure the future," said Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), a McCain backer and abortion opponent. "What we have is a group of politicians denying that we have significant problems ahead of us. We're in some tall weeds, and we need strong leadership to get us out of there."
As part of their outreach to women McCain's aides have started booking him on shows such as "The View" and "Ellen" -- "We're trying to figure out ways to highlight his feminine side," senior aide Mark Salter quipped last week -- but the GOP candidate's campaign still has a fairly masculine feel. While the senator's communication director, director of scheduling operations and national campaign co-chair are women, the top aides who usually travel with him are all men, and McCain has made an occasional comment that takes audiences aback, as he did during an appearance on "The Daily Show" when he referred to a 14-year-old who had questioned his position on equal pay as "a very attractive young woman."
Fiorina, who has spent years addressing female audiences, said she is confident that McCain could appeal to women on issues such as climate change and portable, private health insurance because "very few women who I've met are single-issue voters."
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), however, said McCain and his aides would be wiser to focus their attention elsewhere.
"I don't think these are folks that are going to go out and be for John McCain," she said of Clinton's backers. "Honestly, in the end I believe it will be a fool's errand."
Polling analyst Jennifer Agiesta contributed to this report.
By Juliet Eilperin
© 2006-2008 The Washington Post Company
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See all 77 CommentsNO OBAMA ''08!!!
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ANALYSIS: The only way McCain''s "security moms'' strategy will work is if McCain campaigns on fear and ignorance. So I guess we have more of that to look forward to.
The other interesting thing about this story is McCain apparently believes women fit with his constituency of neo-cons, oil companies, defense contractors, insurance companies, top 3% of income earners, pharmaceutical companies, televangelists, Dixie waving hillbillies and anti-abortion advocates.
However, unless the woman is already part of one of those groups, then I don''t think it''s going to work.
Obama and his team are the obvious right pick for women, children and men alike.
The Obama campaign quickly explained that she misspoke: %u201CWhat she meant is that she%u2019s really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who%u2019ve never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grass-roots movement for change.%u201D Even First Lady Laura Bush %u2014 hardly a liberal Dem %u2014 defended Michelle Obama, agreeing that the comments didn%u2019t reflect her true feelings.
But the Smear Machine doesn%u2019t much care. %u201CIt%u2019s exactly why I hate politics,%u201D said Republican pollster Frank Luntz. %u201CIt%u2019s wrong. It%u2019s attempting to demonize someone who is very smart, very accomplished, but not totally tuned to the dangers of political discourse.%u201D
Note: Women votes just love when a party unleashes attack dogs on a woman because they have no record to run on...
By: Steve Benen @ 3:40 PM - PDT
In 1992, Republican attack dogs went after Bill Clinton by denigrating Hillary Clinton as often as humanly possible. In 2004, the GOP took great pleasure in taking on Teresa Heinz Kerry.
Now, the attack machine has decided to take rhetorical aim at Michelle Obama.
%u201CMrs. Grievance%u201D bellowed the cover of a recent National Review, which featured a photo of a fierce-looking Obama. The magazine%u2019s online edition titled an essay about her stump speech %u201CAmerica%u2019s Unhappiest Millionaire.%u201D
Michelle Malkin, the popular conservative blogger, called her %u201CObama%u2019s bitter half.%u201D
Even the relatively liberal online magazine Slate piled on. In a piece subtitled %u201CIs Michelle Obama responsible for the Jeremiah Wright fiasco?%u201D the contrarian Christopher Hitchens blamed her for her husband%u2019s pastor troubles since she was a member of the church first.
The would-be first lady does not make pronouncements about policy and has insisted that her priority in the White House would be her two young daughters%u2026. It was an unscripted remark as she spoke in February about the enthusiastic response to his message of hope that set off conservatives: %u201CAnd let me tell you something,%u201D she told a Wisconsin crowd. %u201CFor the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.%u201D
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We need Women to run the White House, the Military, and the Judges. The Founders had establshed 4 branches of Gov''t The legislature- Senate and State Gov''ts , the Pres and VP as co - equals, Judges, and 4th Churches. We are just asking for our rights under the Constitution.
MSNBC Live Vote: Should Bush be impeached?
Do you believe President Bush''s actions justify impeachment?
697,909 responses
89% - Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
4.2% - No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
4.5% - No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
2.1% - I don''t know.
By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON %u2014 Barack Obama has moved into double-digit leads over Republican John McCain in two new polls of women voters, suggesting he is drawing support from women who once backed Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Obama led McCain 51%-38% in Gallup polling of 2,263 registered female voters June 5-9. The 13-percentage-point lead among women was up from 5 points the previous week, before the Democratic nomination ended. Obama now matches Clinton''s performance against McCain, Gallup said Wednesday.
The Gallup results mirrored Obama''s 52%-39% lead among women in a Rasmussen Reports poll of 3,000 likely voters June 8-10. The polls'' margins of error are +/%u2014 2 to 3 percentage points. Clinton on June 4 signaled her intent to withdraw and officially suspended her campaign Saturday. Some of her supporters said they would never vote for Obama, and one man, Ed Hale, started a website for former Clinton supporters now backing McCain.
NO OBAMA ''''08!!!
Posted by RowdyWicca at 09:55 AM : Jun 12, 2008
I am a white man in Minnesota...I would have preferred Hillary but am NOT going to **** on myself by voting for McCain...
OBAMA ''''08!!!
The other interesting thing about this story is McCain apparently believes women fit with his constituency of neo-cons, oil companies, defense contractors, insurance companies, top 3% of income earners, pharmaceutical companies, televangelists, Dixie waving hillbillies and anti-abortion advocates.
Posted by GreatDriveW
I will have to hold my nose to push the McCain button, but it is doable. I think Obama "speaks with a forked tongue" and I dislike his wife immensely.
Posted by dixiecharms
Greatness!
Mc Cain has a chance by having Hillary as his C0 President !! The US Constitution calls for an equal Pres and VP ( read it carefully ). As a Maverick, he can and SHOOULD do this, if only to make up for male dominance.
I love the movies too.
How about Kirk Douglas as the Ghost of Pres. Ford haunting the White House.
Posted by Hamiltongrad
As they say in sports, not enough footballs to go around.
Posted by dixiecharms at 10:26 AM : Jun 12, 2008
Why do I get an image of cats fighting instead of the Lincoln-Douglas Debates ?
I am also a mother of a US Cavalry Scout serving a second tour of duty in Iraq and Mccain said bringing them home is not important, I will never vote for mccain. And you are from Texas,enough said, can''t have Hillary so you will cut off your nose to spite your face with a vote for mccain, very foolish and stupid, again you are from texas, enough said.
"Big Media and Big Blogs can%u2019t sell the Big Boob.
In the same way that Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Governor Patrick could not sell the Big Boob to the voters of Massachusetts - in the same way that Tom Daschle and George McGovern could not sell the Big Boob to the voters of South Dakota - Big Media and the echo chamber Big Blogs can%u2019t sell the Big Boob either.
All the advertisements in the world, all the money in the world, all the fawning press in the world won%u2019t get the American People to buy the Big Boob."
Quote:
"A few days ago we suggested Hillary supporters are the majority of the Democratic Party grassroots and are strongest in the big Democratic states. We must act like the majority we are and and exercise our muscles. We suggested that John Kerry be primaried in Massachusetts. That is now happening."
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"The second day of the Democratic? Convention will coincide with Women%u2019s Equality Day. Let%u2019s see how the Democratic? convention handles women on that day with demonstrations taking place.
Meanwhile McCain is getting ready to do some courting of his own. McCain has set up a webcast for Hillary supporters this Saturday.
The Democratic Diaspora has begun."
Read full article here:http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=653
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Me cheers for The New Clothes
Me excites about the color
Me admires absolutely the body
Sen. Clinton supporters will not surrender in "unity" to the cult powers of Obama. Sen. Clinton supporters will campaign and vote for John McCain in swing states Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Florida. Obama''s loss of any two of these swing states means his defeat in November. I will volunteer and vote for McCain in a swing state. In 2012, Sen. Clinton will be the presidential candidate to get America back on track.
Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. He clinched a stolen nomination with FL and MI shenanigans, and de facto Obama surrogate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for him. Obama is inexperienced and unqualified and has no consensus-building record. He is an unelectable radical left wing liberal, and Sen. Clinton women supporters are not within his reach.
Vote for McCain....." make it so, number 1 "
A.. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.
B.. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.
C.. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.
D.. In three generations, there will be no Democrats.
*** - I love it when a plan comes together
Posted by cornbiker
Vote Republican if you wish to keep what''s left of traditional American values
*****MEDIA ALERT*****
VOTERS RECLAIM THEIR VOICES AND VOW TO %u201CJUST SAY NO DEAL%u201D
Explosion of rogue grassroots organizations coalesces overnight to form Mega-Coalition: JustSayNoDeal.com
- Online, in Washington D.C. and Nationwide-- Growing exponentially -- individually, but infinitely together in one unifying mission -- they are Senator Barack Obama''s gravest concern. On the evening of June 8, 2008, dozens of grassroots organizations and political activists convened a conference call and formed a coalition: Just Say No Deal. Its goal? : To turn the current race on its head and remind voters that all options are on the table this November.
Just Say No Deal is an umbrella organization giving voice to over 80 grassroots organizations, blogs and millions of self- professed PUMAs (Party Unity My A_ _) intent on one mission: NOBAMA! Coalition members are pushing varying agendas and voting strategies, but the factions are united in their unwavering decision to not %u201Cfall in line%u201D by supporting Barack Obama.
Concerned citizens have come out of the woodwork to express their distaste for and frustration with party leaders and the outcome of the nominating process. The Just Say No Deal website offers those voters an array of choices to assist in their decision-making process. The coalition will continue to organize in pursuit of its mission of keeping another unqualified candidate from inheriting the Oval Office.
Let them know returning Father Pfleger is Outrageous and wrong !
(He is set to return on June 16th, according to St.Sabinas web-site)
benedictxvi@vatican.va
Contact info for ArchBishop:
Cardinal Francis George, OMI
Archbishop of Chicago
155 East Superior
Chicago, Illinois 60611
312-751-8230 %u2013 Cardinal%u2019s Office Phone
312-337-6379 %u2013 Cardinal%u2019s Office Fax
312-751-8200 - Archdiocese Office Phone
vocations@archchicago.org
He is not experienced enough, and makes terrible decisions.
He Change, is he keeps having to change a bad decision he made !
Advisers
Churches
Associations
...even his racist wife !
My husband is currently on active duty in the military. This just shows you how out of touch this man is. He opposes the bill that would give active duty personnel extra benefits. There is a large number of military families who live on food stamps. I don''t hear him talk about that. McSame is living in the past. Kudos and repects for his military record, but he returned home. Over 4,000 soldiers died in Iraq and million more died in previous wars. These soldiers never came home to thier loved ones.
I am also concerned about a lot women issues that McSame does not support especially Roe vs. Wade. I refused to have the government tell me what and what I cannot do with my body. That is what McSame will give women if he wins the election.
I would encourage all military wives and women out there to not vote for this man. Bring the troops home so they can enjoy their families just like McSame is doing with his.
Let them know returning Father Pfleger is Outrageous and wrong !
(He is set to return on June 16th, according to St.Sabinas web-site)
benedictxvi@vatican.va
Contact info for ArchBishop:
Cardinal Francis George, OMI
Archbishop of Chicago
155 East Superior
Chicago, Illinois 60611
312-751-8230 Cardinal%u2019s Office Phone
312-337-6379 Cardinal%u2019s Office Fax
312-751-8200 - Archdiocese Office Phone
vocations@archchicago.org
ArchBishop overlooks child abusers and a radical, racist , pro abortion priest
for (Pfleger) and lets him stay at the same parish for over 30 years !
Even allowing Pfleger to adopt 3 little black boys !!
ArchBishop makes very bad decisions, he plans to reinstate Pfleger on June 16th,
inspite of a nationwide outcry.
Previous Poor Decisions made by the ArchBishop...
While ArchBishop George Francis of Chicago has had to deal with the fallout from
clergy sexual abuse cases from many years ago, he has come under fire for his
actions during a recent abuse case. George acknowledged that he had made
mistakes in the case of Rev. Daniel McCormack, who was charged with two counts
of aggravated criminal sexual abuse on January 21, 2006. It is alleged that
McCormack had abused two boys repeatedly from 2001 to 2005. Cardinal George has
faced criticism for allowing McCormack to remain at his post after allegations
first surfaced in August of 2005.
Popes'' Email
benedictxvi@vatican.va
ArchBishop makes very bad decisions, he plans to reinstate Pfleger on June 16th, inspite of a nationwide outcry.
Previous Poor Decision:
While ArchBishop George Francis of Chicago has had to deal with the fallout from clergy sexual abuse cases from many years ago, he has come under fire for his actions during a recent abuse case. George acknowledged that he had made
mistakes in the case of Rev. Daniel McCormack, who was charged with two counts
of aggravated criminal sexual abuse on January 21, 2006. It is alleged that
McCormack had abused two boys repeatedly from 2001 to 2005. Cardinal George has
faced criticism for allowing McCormack to remain at his post after allegations
first surfaced in August of 2005. At the time prosecutors were not able to move
forward because there was not enough evidence. Instead McCormack was told to not
have any unsupervised contact with minors and had a personal monitor assigned to
him. Cardinal George has since indicated that had he known several months ago
what he knew now that he would have removed McCormack from his duties right
away. Cardinal George took some responsibility for the matter.
Despite claims of following the church''s procedures for dealing with child-molesting priests, Cardinal George made no attempt to contact the police.
The DNC allowed the medias'' sexist treatment of Hillary and allowed Obama to rewrite the rules of nominating. The reason the Super Delegates felt they had to endorse Obama is because Obama convinced the media that if he were not nominated then it was racist and therefore Super Dels holding elected office knew that they would lose black votes if they failed to endorse Obama. Womens rights were thrown under the bus for the sake of these elected Senators and Congressmen keeping their seats. You see they believe that women will support the democratic ticket no matter what they do. We have been had. Remember that injustice for one is injustice for all. If they get away with allowing media to call this outstanding woman a "B****" and promoting this less qualified male over the much more qualified, stronger female candidate, then we have all lost.
Obama will never be elected but the DNC will not learn a lesson unless they see that they lost due to the DNC failing to follow their own rules of nominating and the Super Delegates failure to nominate the "most electable" candidate. I agree that McCain is not a womens rights activist but a President McCain will still have a democratic majority in the Senate and can not appoint a Supreme Court Justice without a majority of the Senate approval. My vote for McCain is a vote against the DNC. Perhaps in 2012 the DNC will be ready for REAL CHANGE..........McCAin 2008 by default Hillary 2012
This go around, the best man for the job was a woman & since that is not going to happen, then neither is my vote!!!
McCain by default 2008 and Hillary 2012
Reaching out to ''whitey'' women voters????
"maybe because of this:
"Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain''s intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain''s hair and said, "You''re getting a little thin up there." McCain''s face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don''t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you ***." McCain''s excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days."
Obama - Fell in love married and STAYED MARRIED to his wife.
He DEFENDED HER, RISKING disapproval and vote loss when the GOP SMEAR MACHINE ATTACKED HER.
Watch - they still hug and smile at each other.
McCain - DUMPED HIS first wife when she lost her bedroom appeal for him, played around on her while married then picked up on a NEW WEALTHIER BEDROOM TOY.
The SECOND wife - I''ve YET to see them look other than uncomfortable and if there''s ANY real affection I''d be surprised - SHE''S a PROP for his campaign and little more.
WHY would he call her RUDE and INDECENT names - at LEAST one being in front of political aides and reporters???
It''s OBVIOUS SHE DOESN''T TRUST HIM.
Before the SECOND marriage even started SHE HAD A PRENUPTIAL CONTRACT drawn up TO SEPARATE HER MONEY and KEEP IT OUT of HIS ACCESS! Since then SHE''S KEPT that CONTRACT AGAINST HIM.
GOTTA GIVE Cindy McCain CREDIT - she''s careful and smart concerning an UNTRUSTWORTHY HUSBAND.
SO, IF CINDY MCCAIN DOESN''T TRUST HIM -ESPECIALLY WITH HER MONEY -WHY SHOULD I TRUST HIM WITH THE MUCH MORE endangered and VULNERABLE NATIONAL TREASURY?
Assumptions like that remind me of that polygamy ranch.
-Does that thinking go something like: "the wimmin in MY TOWN WOULDN''T DARE go against the edicts of the men given by GOD to RULE OVER THEM"?
Posted by jack3213 at 12:20 PM : Jun 12, 2008"
If they are conservative hard core pro-lifers of course they are not going to vote Obama, they wouldn''t vote for God if he were a Dem candidate. If, however, they are a little smarter than the chairs they are sitting on they might note that the McCain policys will not even attempt to control gas prices, will do nothing to increase the availability of health care or the quality of it or make child care and children''s health an issue at all. He will also stack the supreme court with pro-lifers if given a chance and will basically treat the women of America like he treats his wife. He will not look at any plan for a reasonable withdrawal from Iraq which he will pay for with the lives of Americas soldiers.
McCain is not a pro-women candidate, women voting for McCain would is like blacks voting for Strom Thurman.
My grandfather was drafted, he had no choice. He was gone to war for over 3 years, till killed, wounded, or we won. Over 400,000 of my Grandfathers generation died in war. The women went to work doing everything they could with a tenacity and bravery that is distinctly lacking in America today.
I wonder if America has the guts to stand firm. I''ve never seen a quitter win ANY game, quitters ALWAYS loose. The most honorable way to treat any soldier is give them the means to win to bring them home in victory. Ask any Vietnam vet, Americas most shameful action toward soldiers. They were courageous, strong, and like today''s soldiers, were kicking tail till America quit on them.
It sickens me to think so many dishonor our soldiers and their fallen again. They deserve your full support for Victory. They need your thanks for being in a crossfire among Muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan and not in the same crossfire at your kids school or your neighborhood.
You''re exactly right, and no one has a problem with hunting Bin Laden in Afghanistan. The problem is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We invaded a country that had not attacked us, and while Saddam was a very bad man, he at least kept Iran in check and refused to provide a haven for alqaeda. Now, our very presence in Iraq has weakened our security, not strenthened it, and also weakened our ties with our allies, who knew we were invading Iraq for the wrong reasons and who were castigated for not supporting our war.
No one dishonors the soldiers - it''s the administration we have no respect for.
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Thanks for your service. There are some big time radicals on this board. I wouldnt put it past that some of them are blogging from the Middle East.
Thank you for keeping my family safe. You have mine and everyone I knows support. Were out spreading the truth.
From The Washington Post, none the less...
AMERICA has won, or is about to win, the Iraq war.
The latest proof came last month, as the Iraqi army - just a few months ago the target of scorn and abuse from Democratic politicians and journalists - forcefully reoccupied three cities that had served as key insurgency bases (Basra, Sadr City and Mosul).
Sunnis and Shias alike applauded as their nation''s army compelled insurgent militias to lay down their arms. The country''s leading opposition newspaper, Azzaman, led the applause for the move into Mosul - a sign that national reconciliation in Iraq is under way and probably irreversible.
US combat deaths in May also were down to 20, the lowest monthly total since February 2004. The toll for May 2007 was 121.
In a Washington Post interview, CIA Director Michael Hayden said we''re witnessing the "near strategic defeat of al Qaeda in Iraq."
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Thats pure BS, your dishonoring by supporting the Radical Obama. This Soldiers do not want to come home to such a radical Huesain.
Now, it has become the ISM%u2019s time to deconstruct religious dogma of Israel belonging to the Jews as is preached in US churches and to increase the number of black churches in America that are working in %u201Csolidarity%u201D with this program. Jeremiah Wright%u2019s church is one of them. Even though the national synod of the United Church for Christ rescinded a boycott and divestment plan against Israel, a wing of the UCC church keeps trying to get it reinstated. That wing includes Reverend Wright%u2019s Trinity UCC Church in Chicago. Few people know also, that there are many Muslim members of Reverend Wright%u2019s %u201CChristian%u201D church, a close ally of Sabeel.
Led by a Palestinian Christian pastor named Naim Ateek, Sabeel%u2019s purpose is as part of the ISM to especially convince churches in America that the diminishing Christian population in the West Bank, particularly Bethlehem, is not due to persecution by the Muslim majority in the Palestinian Authority against Christians caused Christian flight, but because of Israel%u2019s Jews and %u201Cthe occupation.%u201D In order to achieve this, Sabeel practices something called %u201Creplacement theology %u201C
Posted by Obama8years
The only part of your post that is from the Washington post is the quote from Hayden. The rest of the post is directly from the New York Post - not exactly a bastion of respectable journalism.
Posted by obama8years at 04:57 PM : Jun 12, 2008"
Your post is absurd and not based on facts.
Posted by iamyipper at 03:33 PM : Jun 12, 2008"
I''m a 5th generation soldier and I think your post is ridiculous. We are not fighting Al Quida in Iraq, we are fighting Iraqi insurgents. We were fighting Al Quida in Afghanistan until Bush pulled the troops out to stage a war on Iraq, a country that had no contacts with Al Queda, a country he KNEW had nothing to do with 911. Since we have pulled out of Afghanistan, Al Queda has regained strength and is becoming a power in Afghanistan again.
You want to fight terrorism, so do I, you want your family safe, so do I. The first rule in fighting a war is know who your enemy is, it wasn''t Iraq.
My yardstick on how the candidates will TREAT WOMEN and WOMEN''S issues is to LOOK CLOSELY at HOW THEY TREAT THEIR WIVES.
Obama - Fell in love married and STAYED MARRIED to his wife.
He DEFENDED HER, RISKING disapproval and vote loss when the GOP SMEAR MACHINE ATTACKED HER.
Watch - they still hug and smile at each other.
McCain - DUMPED HIS first wife when she lost her bedroom appeal for him, played around on her while married then picked up on a NEW WEALTHIER BEDROOM TOY.
The SECOND wife - I''ve YET to see them look other than uncomfortable and if there''s ANY real affection I''d be surprised - SHE''S a PROP for his campaign and little more.
WHY would he call her RUDE and INDECENT names - at LEAST one being in front of political aides and reporters?
It''s OBVIOUS SHE DOESN''T TRUST HIM.
Before the SECOND marriage even started SHE HAD A PRENUPTIAL CONTRACT drawn up TO SEPARATE HER MONEY and KEEP IT OUT of HIS ACCESS! Since then SHE''S KEPT that CONTRACT AGAINST HIM.
GOTTA GIVE Cindy McCain CREDIT - she''s careful and smart concerning an UNTRUSTWORTHY HUSBAND.
SO, IF CINDY MCCAIN DOESN''T TRUST HIM -ESPECIALLY WITH HER MONEY -WHY SHOULD I TRUST HIM WITH THE MUCH MORE endangered and VULNERABLE NATIONAL TREASURY?
1. no pandering to special interest groups;
2. affordable, high-quality health care for all;
3. an enlightened withdrawal from Iraq;
4. economic sanity and justice;
5. foreign policy of diplomacy and dialogue;
6. the Supreme Court, and thus the right to choose;
7. an end to the divisive, stagnant politics of yesterday;
8. a renewable and clean energy revolution;
9. a White House that speaks honestly, instead of treating us as adversaries;
10. politics of hope and change, not fear, stagnation and distraction;
11. send our youth around the world with foreign language dictionaries, not guns;
12. finally get serious about global warming;
13. rebuild our military;
14. rational, humanistic, forward-thinking trade agreements; and
15. end tax breaks for companies who send jobs overseas.
Obama was consistently disrespectful to women. He''s set American women back at least 30 yrs. Why would I vote for him?
I think McCain would be wise to focus on Clinton supporters. Many of us will never vote for Obama. It''s not just women who may not vote for Obama: Hispanics, older voters, those with less money or education feel abandoned as well. Obama has done more than alienate us. He and the DNC have made it clear that we are no longer needed and no longer wanted by the Democratic Party. We''re looking for a new home. Candidates (like Obama) who mock us or dismiss our concerns need not apply.
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