February 11, 2009 2:48 PM

Vets Testify On Cold War Toxins

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(CBS/ AP)  Lawmakers and veterans of secret Cold War-era chemical and germ tests on military personnel demanded help from the Bush administration Thursday, but they got no satisfaction.

Officials from the Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Department said there was no need for legislation to guarantee health care and benefits to the veterans. Thousands of servicemembers were exposed, sometimes without their knowledge, to real and simulated chemical and biological agents, including sarin and VX.

The tests were conducted at sea and above a half-dozen U.S. states from 1962-1973 to see how U.S. ships would withstand chemical and germ assaults and how such weapons would disperse.

"We were exposed to health hazards almost continuously," retired Navy Reserve Lt. Commander Jack Alderson told the House Veterans Affairs subcommittee on disability assistance.

Veterans who tried to get help from the V.A. were "shown the door," Alderson said, his voice loud and choked with emotion.

Administration officials said there was no definitive link between the tests - called Project 112 and Project SHAD - and illnesses, including cancer and respiratory problems, now afflicting Alderson and others.

CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin reports there was a lot of pressure on the servicemembers not to rock the boat about the tests.

"We were pretty strongly debriefed and said if we ever talk about this we could find ourselves with free room and board at Leavenworth (prison). And everybody kept their mouth shut,'' said Alderson.

When Alderson finally complained, the Pentagon insisted there was no Project SHAD. So Alderson went to his congressman, Martin reports. But Rep. Mike Thompson still didn't get the whole truth from the Pentagon.

"I went to the military and after a couple years of banging on the doors over there they finally admitted there was in fact this project that took place, this Project SHAD,'' said Thompson.

"DOD opposes this legislation. The scientific evidence does not support" it, Michael L. Dominguez, a principal deputy undersecretary of defense, said in written testimony to the panel.

The Pentagon did not send Dominguez or anyone else to testify in person. That aggravated the subcommittee chairman, Rep. John Hall, D-N.Y., who said the Defense Department backed out just last week after initially agreeing to attend.

"The nexus between DOD and V.A. is undeniable," Hall said as the hearing began. "Congress deserves the right to question the appropriate DOD personnel in person, not just in writing."

A Pentagon spokeswoman had no immediate comment on the department's failure to show. In an interview earlier this week, Dr. Michael Kilpatrick, the Pentagon's deputy director for force health protection and readiness, said officials had determined the issue would be more appropriately addressed by the Veterans Affairs Department.

The V.A. witness echoed what DOD had to say. Bradley Mayes, the Veterans Affairs director of compensation and pensions, called legislation unnecessary because the agency was not "aware of evidence linking any disease to participation in project SHAD."

The bill under consideration is patterned after legislation passed in 1991 to help people exposed to Agent Orange, the chemical defoliant use used by U.S. forces in Vietnam that was linked to cancer and other ailments. Written by Reps. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., and Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., it would guarantee coverage and benefits to veterans of Projects 112 and SHAD without requiring them to prove a connection to their military service.

Thompson said it took DOD decades to admit the secret tests actually happened so he put no stock in their refusal to recognize health problems the tests may have caused.

A similar bill is scheduled for a vote in the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee later this month.

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by Fquinn4 August 20, 2011 7:35 AM EDT
I was statiomed on the USS Eversole late 1971 to 1973. I was transported from the ship to the USS America then by COD flight to DaNang where I spent the day waiting for a flight to Saigon and then home on emergency leave. The VA will not recognize that I was even there. Ai this point they don't even think I was aboard the ship. They have denied my claims. I have a surprise for them - the cruise book shows me aboard but of course doesn't prove I was in DaNang. I must have swam home.
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by terrorislami June 14, 2008 5:31 AM EDT
I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain. John Adams
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by terrorislami June 14, 2008 5:20 AM EDT
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein

%u201CAdmittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face--that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender.%u201D (President Reagan, 1964. Rendezvous with Destiny)
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by terrorislami June 14, 2008 5:00 AM EDT
USA''''s PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY JFK!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961

"Today we need a nation of minute men; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of American, cannot succeed with any lesser effort."-- President John F. Kennedy, January 29, 1961

One ought never to turn one''''s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein

All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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by terrorislami June 14, 2008 4:48 AM EDT
Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves. ~D.H. Lawrence, Classical American Literature, 1922
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by dog7771 June 13, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
we let the Bund/Nazis flourish here and embraced them. I don''t trust any of our courts, politicians (except Dean/Obama) Now we know Pelosi and others were in on the torture and spying. That is why no impeachment. She and the others will NOT BE REELECTED.
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by terrorislami June 13, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
TAKE NO PRISONERS,,,

we have defeated fascist nazi terrorislam before,,,

after america became a country,,, fascist nazi terrorislam demanded that america pay protection money or they would attack americas ships and enslave all on board,,,

thomas jefferson and james madison was having non of that,,, and they sent americas military to kick fascist nazi terrorislams arses in barbary war one and barbary war two,,, why two wars,,, fascist nazi terrorislamists break treaties,,, sound familiar??? can you say iraq,,,

It is a settled policy of America, that as peace is better than war, war is better than tribute. The United States, while they wish for war with no nation, will buy peace with none. President James Madison
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by Latrocinor June 13, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
There are no statesmen, just ************.

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The statesman have been chased off by insanely cursing and screaming citizens.

Now you got telemarketers in a new career.
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by shirereef June 13, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
This is just another example of DVA and DOD attempting FURTHER cover ups on saving a penny so the bigwigs and brass can get BIG awards (in cash) for saving that penny. I mean this is totally ludricous bordering on murder. Stop rewriting rules that were put in place by Presidents and congress. I am refering to the DVA attempting to rewrite the ''Definition of Service in the Republic of Vietnam'', against the Blue Water Navy Veterans of Vietnam. We fought there, some of us died there, some of us were imprisoned there and now the DVA is attempting to say we were NOT in the VietNam War but in an"VietNam Era War". Is that what the Blue Water Navy did in the D''Day landings, Anzio, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Afgahnistan and Iraq???? shirereef
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by michael0004 June 13, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
You are welcome t_barr. In 1969 - 1971, I was stationed aboard USS Eversole (DD 789). We also spent time on the gun line and anchored in DaNang harbor. Although I have a covered conditioned under the Agent Orange Act, the VA will not approve my disability because I did not set foot on land in the Republic of Vietnam. Unlike many others though, I am fortunate to have private health insurance, so my medical needs are covered by that insurance. A lot of our shipmates are not so fortunate though and the VA''s denial of benefits to them means that they do not have access to adequate medical care and can not afford the necessary medication. They have been quite literally dieing while the VA after losing a court case apealed the decision rather than give them the medical care they need and deserve. I''m glad to hear that you intend to write the VA. Thank you for your support.
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