LITTLE SIOUX, Iowa, June 11, 2008

A Tornado's Tragic Toll

135-mph Twister Kills 4 Scouts In Iowa; Heroic Moments In Aftermath

  • Video Deadly Iowa Tornado Strike

    Storms in Iowa bring a deadly tornado to a Boy Scout camp, killing at least four and injuring others. Elsewhere, the twister blows right over a car and it's caught on tape. Dave Price reports.

  • Video Exclusive Iowa Tornado Video

    The devastation of a Boy Scout camp in Iowa is captured on tape by Thomas White, a teen staffer. Dave Price talks to Thomas, his mother and a scout supervisor.

    • Charlie Lough herded his cattle onto the porch of his farm house, before he fled to safety from the rising water of the Cedar River, Wednesday June 11, 2008 north of Vinton, Iowa. Flood waters have inundated the electric plant in Vinton and the entire city is now without power. Photo

      Charlie Lough herded his cattle onto the porch of his farm house, before he fled to safety from the rising water of the Cedar River, Wednesday June 11, 2008 north of Vinton, Iowa. Flood waters have inundated the electric plant in Vinton and the entire city is now without power.  (AP Photo/Steve Pope)

    • Remains of a ranger's house at the Little Sioux Scout Ranch can be seen after a tornado ripped through the Little Sioux Scout Ranch in the remote Loess Hills, Iowa, June 11, 2008. Photo

      Remains of a ranger's house at the Little Sioux Scout Ranch can be seen after a tornado ripped through the Little Sioux Scout Ranch in the remote Loess Hills, Iowa, June 11, 2008.  (AP Photo/Loren Sawyer)

    • Boy Scouts killed in the tornado, clockwise from top left: Josh Fennen, 13;  Sam Thomsen, 13; Ben Petrzilka, 14, and Aaron Eilerts, 14. Photo

      Boy Scouts killed in the tornado, clockwise from top left: Josh Fennen, 13; Sam Thomsen, 13; Ben Petrzilka, 14, and Aaron Eilerts, 14.  (CBS)

    • Firefighters search the wreckage at the Little Sioux Scout Ranch after a tornado ripped through the Little Sioux Scout Ranch in the remote Loess Hills, Iowa, June 11, 2008. Photo

      Firefighters search the wreckage at the Little Sioux Scout Ranch after a tornado ripped through the Little Sioux Scout Ranch in the remote Loess Hills, Iowa, June 11, 2008.  (AP/Loren Sawyer, Onawa Sentinel)

    • A boy Scout is wheeled out of the West Harrison High School in Mondamin, Iowa, early Thursday morning, June 12, 2008. A tornado tore through a Boy Scout camp in the remote hills of western Iowa on Wednesday, killing at least four people and injuring 40, and setting off a frantic search to reach others in the piles of debris and downed trees. Photo

      A boy Scout is wheeled out of the West Harrison High School in Mondamin, Iowa, early Thursday morning, June 12, 2008. A tornado tore through a Boy Scout camp in the remote hills of western Iowa on Wednesday, killing at least four people and injuring 40, and setting off a frantic search to reach others in the piles of debris and downed trees.  (AP Photo/Nati Harnik)

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(CBS/ AP)  When the howling winds finally died down, the Boy Scouts - true to their motto, "Be Prepared" - sprang into action.

Putting their first-aid training to use, they applied tourniquets and gauze to the injured. Some began digging victims from the rubble of a collapsed chimney. And others broke into an equipment shed, seized chainsaws and other tools, and started clearing fallen trees from a road.

Dozens of the Scouts, ages 13 to 18, were hailed for their bravery and resourcefulness Thursday, the morning after a tornado with windspeeds upwards of 135 miles an hour, reports CBS News correspondent Dave Price, killed four boys and left the Iowa camp unrecognizable.

"There were some real heroes at this Scout camp," Gov. Chet Culver said, adding that he believes the Scouts saved lives while they waited for paramedics to cut through the trees and reach the camp a mile into the woods.

The 93 boys, all elite Scouts attending a weeklong leadership training session, had taken part in a mock emergency drill with 25 staff members just a day before the twister hit.

"They knew what to do, they knew where to go, and they prepared well," said Lloyd Roitstein, an executive with the Mid-America Council of the Boy Scouts of America.

Among the dead were: Aaron Eilerts, 14, of Eagle Grove, Iowa, who was known as an outgoing friendly kid who loved Elvis Presley, reports Price; Josh Fennen, 13, of Omaha, who was described as creative, confident and a natural leader; Sam Thomsen, 13, of Omaha who was known to love scouting, sports and his church; and Ben Petrzilka, 14, of Omaha, who is said to have enjoyed the outdoors and liked to hunt and fish with his father.

Roitstein said all four had taken shelter in a building that was leveled, and all of them were found near its collapsed stone chimney. The governor said the cause of death had not been determined.

Scout supervisor Thomas White recalled riding out the storm in a ditch and then running to help.

"It was about five minutes after I was up there that I saw the scouts that had died," White told Davis. "But I stayed calm when I was up there cause one thing got to do is stay calm yourself so other people stay calm. Then it goes a lot smoother and people get taken care of and more peolpe survive."

At least a dozen people remained hospitalized Thursday with everything from bruises to spine and head injuries.

At the campsite, a pickup truck had been tossed on its side. Tree limbs rested on top of the Scouts' tents. Trees were flattened. And the one-room multipurpose building where the scouts died was a pile of cinderblocks and chimney stones.

Boy Scout officials said the campers had heard the severe weather alerts but decided not to leave because a storm was on the way.

"They were watching the weather and monitoring with a weather radio, listening for updates," said Deron Smith, a national spokesman for the organization. "The spot they were at was the lowest spot of camp. It was deemed to be the safest place."

A group of Scouts who had set out on a hike had returned to the camp before the storm hit, Smith said.

On the other side of the state, 3,900 homes were evacuated from flood-stricken Cedar Rapids, where rescuers removed people with boats, officials estimated 100 blocks were under water, and a railroad bridge over the flooded Cedar River collapsed.

In Albert Lea, Minn., 90 miles south of Minneapolis, a man died Thursday after his vehicle plunged from a washed-out road and was submerged in floodwaters.

Also Thursday, several Kansas communities began cleaning up from tornadoes a day earlier that killed at least two people, destroyed much of the small town of Chapman, and caused extensive damage on the Kansas State University campus.

Meanwhile, tales of heroism emerged from the Iowa camp.

Roitstein said a group of scouts pulled the camp ranger and his family from their destroyed home. Doug Rothgeb of Omaha said his 15-year-old son emerged from a ditch where he had taken cover, then joined other scouts to break into the equipment shed.

Fourteen-year-old Zach Jessen of Fremont, Neb., said that before the storm struck, someone spotted the rotation in the clouds and a siren sounded in the multipurpose building, which had tables and a TV in addition to a fireplace. Jessen said he and others managed to get Scouts out of their tents and indoors just before the tornado hit. According to Roitstein, the Scouts took shelter in three buildings.

Jessen said shortly afterward, the door on the multipurpose building flew open and he heard someone yelling to get under the tables.

"All of a sudden, the tornado came and took the building," Jessen said. "It sounded like a giant freight train going right over the top of you."

Jessen said shortly afterward, the door on the multipurpose building flew open and he heard someone yelling to get under the tables.

Ethan Hession, 13, said he crawled under a table with his friend.

"I just remember looking over at my friend, and all of a sudden he just says to me, `Dear God, save us,"' he said on NBC's "Today" show.

Ethan said the scouts' first-aid training immediately compelled them to act.

"We were prepared," he said. "We knew that we need to place tourniquets on wounds that were bleeding too much. We knew we need to apply pressure and gauze. We had first-aid kits, we had everything. We knew about this, we knew how to do it."

He added: "All of a sudden people started taking action. Like it just clicked. One of the staff members took off his shirt and put it right on the guy who was bleeding and told me to get on top of him so he would stop moving so he could apply pressure and gauze. We started digging people out of the rubble."

The 1,800-acre Little Sioux Scout Ranch is in the Loess Hills in westernmost Iowa, close to the Nebraska line, about 40 miles north of Omaha. The hills rise 200 feet above the plains in what is otherwise an exceedingly flat state. While tornadoes are often associated with flat, open land, Iowa is in Tornado Alley, and forecasters said twisters are not unusual in the Loess Hills.

The camp includes hiking trails through narrow valleys and over steep hills, a 15-acre lake and a rifle range.

Lisa Petry, the mother of 13-year-old Boy Scout Jose Olivo, said she had a bad feeling Wednesday morning when she heard reports of possible severe weather. "I thought, `Should I call the scout camp and ask if there's severe weather, where will they go?"' she said.

The governor would not address questions about whether the Scouts should have remained at the campground after severe weather alerts were issued.

"There's always lessons learned from any natural disaster, from any tragedy," Culver said. "We need to focus on the victims, the families affected."

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff toured the camp and said it appeared that the Boy Scouts "didn't have a chance" and that the tornado came through the camp "like a bowling ball."



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by goldsummer June 11, 2008 11:00 PM PDT
My heart goes out to the family of the young persons killed in this tragic accident. Its a true shame that the world has lost young lives that could have one day possibly found a cure for cancer,become president, or even stopped an idiot like gopsuk from shooting off his mouth . Now what a miracle that would be !!
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by bdrlnt4rl June 11, 2008 11:03 PM PDT
gopsux

your an idiot. gay goofs are the narrow minded thinking their way should be accepted and if not, they are going to cry like little shiiiitssss and sue. only cowards sue, sounds like you are a coward, idiot, and a straight basher. man, idiot you are.
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by pfanerk June 11, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
I don''t get it: People who live in New Orleans, only SOME of which is below sea level, are told by some Americans that they need to move or be relocated -- "Who would be stupid enough to live below sea level?" -- yet repeatedly we see floods along Mid-West rivers year after year. Where''s the outcry? These people know they live in tornado-prone, snow-prone and flood-prone areas, yet they remain. And year after year the government must bail them out. See the hypocrisy?
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by sgtrds-e4 June 11, 2008 11:43 PM PDT
RIP little bros.
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by sgtrds-e4 June 11, 2008 11:48 PM PDT
I''m proud to say I was a Boy Scout for 5 years (though sorry to say I never made Eagle), but it''s sick to see that it takes a right wing troll to bring disgusting comments to a tragic story like this. I have no doubt that some of the parents and families of these scouts will read this story and these sick comments. If this GOP troll has any shame at all he''ll crawl back under his rock.
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by meggygirl-2009 June 11, 2008 11:51 PM PDT
Wow people lets grow up alittle bit. Cant anyone show any human compassion any more? These boys could not avoid this situation by any means. And to you who posted thinking people are stupid for living in that area and you think you are being punished by paying the taxes. Well first off if you cant like your freedom leave our country. Second off every single part of this country is in danger of some sort of natural disaster, so get over yourselves and quite blaming other because you have nothing better to do.

And to you gopsux..get a life, if you think everyone is bashing *** you really arent giving gay people a good name and grow a pair and quit being a little pansy and posting unwanted *** on this wall.
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by sgtrds-e4 June 11, 2008 11:57 PM PDT
4 young men, likely 4 children really, are dead and yet on sick right wing troll uses their deaths in a sick attempt to score political points? Four families, at least, are going to find out that their CHILD has died! And this sick SOB uses their deaths to try to score political points by trying to make gay people look bad? How twisted does one human being have to be to do that?
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by rheola-2009 June 12, 2008 12:14 AM PDT


For goodness sake, some of you fools should put your brains into gear before you open your mouths, how much more idiotic garbage is to be posted on such a serious subject.

Get a life.

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by lovesamerica June 12, 2008 12:20 AM PDT
What is your guys problem? what does all your crappy political jargon have to do with a tornado killing children?
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by zabarc June 12, 2008 12:27 AM PDT
There are some really sick people posting here. Those people really make me sad to be an American. When it comes to kids all politics should be set aside.
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by sgtrds-e4 June 12, 2008 12:28 AM PDT
I''m going to go now, have to work in the morning. I will leave by saying my whole heart goes out to the families that lost their precious children in this horrible storm.

I will also say that anyone who thinks gopsux is actually posting the liberal or gay point of view has their head even further up their own as*s then he does. he''s a troll. Grow up.
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by sgtrds-e4 June 12, 2008 12:32 AM PDT
RIP little bros and goodnight.
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by erichsh June 12, 2008 12:35 AM PDT
See ya, Sarge. I agree with 1/2 of what you say - my heart goes out to those kids too. Too bad you can''t believe there''s any such thing as a liberal creep. I see ''em all the time in these blogs.
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by loneeagle57 June 12, 2008 1:05 AM PDT
Scout salute 1. bugler sound off. 2. May the great master of all scouts be with us all until we meet again. My Heart goes out to the Scouts, Troops, Leaders and their families. As a former scout leader I know how upseting this must be. I couldn''t imagine the pain that must be. Once again my condonlences. From an Eagle Scout and Retired Scout master. God bless.
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by bdrlnt4rl June 12, 2008 1:08 AM PDT
to all the boys, scout master, voluteers, and parents of the boys who went out to have fun learning, hiking and have an adventure,,,,,I pray for strength, understanding, and comfort in this terrible tragedy. no child deserves to be scared, scared, hurt, or the feeling of being alone.

we must all put our energies toward these children and all those who have and will be affected by this loss.

gopsux, watch you back
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by elizabethk07 June 12, 2008 1:11 AM PDT
This is a terrible story. We here in Iowa have been suffering a lot with floods and tornados during the last month. We just got running water back today and now it is raining again.
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by pjinla June 12, 2008 1:12 AM PDT
My nephew is one of the scouts that was at the Little Sioux Camp that was hit by the tornado today. I got word a little while ago that he is okay. Unless you''ve lived through tornadoes you have no idea of their destructiveness and randomness. Reading some of the comments I cannot tell you how utterly offensive most of them are. May you never have to go through anything similar. I''m just glad my nephew is okay.
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by bdrlnt4rl June 12, 2008 1:14 AM PDT
PJinLA

i am very thankful your nephew is ok. just need to put our thoughts and energies to all of the boys, staff, and parents to these boys, so very painful to read and feel their fear.
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by bdrlnt4rl June 12, 2008 1:15 AM PDT
Scout salute 1. bugler sound off. 2. May the great master of all scouts be with us all until we meet again. My Heart goes out to the Scouts, Troops, Leaders and their families. As a former scout leader I know how upseting this must be. I couldn''''''''t imagine the pain that must be. Once again my condonlences. From an Eagle Scout and Retired Scout master. God bless.

Posted by loneeagle57
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by jb01201a June 12, 2008 2:24 AM PDT
Well lets see why this happened:
a). George and *** called the guy that opened up all the leeves in New Orleans - this in turned created the tornado.
b). This prooves Global warming exists
c). The BS gets punished because they are anti-gay.
d). George and *** used the leftover dynamite from 9/11. They did 9/11 and created this tornado.

You libs are trully sickening and discussing. This just shows you how much your party does not care about human society. This is not a political issue and should not be treated that way. To suggest this is shows liberals are stupid but not surprising and this coming from someone who used to be like them. Never again ! To the families of the boy scouts, my prayers. I used to be a boy scout too and do remember being in weather like this.
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by grammawhamma June 12, 2008 2:42 AM PDT
bdrint4rl, SgtR, and gopsux:

You are all equally disgusting. Grow up!

This is a very tragic story. There is a section on CBS boards for politics...take your garbage there.

CBS: Out of all the sites that allow comments, CBS by far attracts the most vile and disgusting of posters. Why? Because YOU don''t moniter your boards properly. Enforce your rules of engagement!
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by sgtrds-e4 June 12, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
GrammaWhamma

In case you didn''t notice I was TRYING to get a troll to stop using this story for political purposes, so get over yourself!
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by lily1972 June 12, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
poor babys. my heart goes out to the victims & their families.
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by dobbershome June 12, 2008 9:15 AM PDT
I guess the 4 people killed were gay then. Your a go* *** genius!
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by akpals June 12, 2008 9:18 AM PDT
Gopsoccermom
I really hope you haven''t taken on the task of teaching your children about God by yourself. If you truly think that this tornado was sent by God to kill children to teach pedophiles a lesson , you might want to seek therapy. Or if you think God is so vengeful, you might want to watch your own back, no telling what he might do to you for saying these evil things about him!
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by berniepeders June 12, 2008 9:25 AM PDT

Folks. These forums on CBS are completely evil.

Posted by CBSisunfair

Then why do you keep reading and posting on it? Go somewhere else with your bible thumping.
Peace
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by nothappyatall June 12, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
Gramma, please read this before they delete my account once more. I''''m a bible believing christian and every time I''''ve reported atheists

Posted by CBSisunfair (singinrick, rick miASSe, jankebenz, truthword08, Providence_D and 1,000 other alias)

RICK, when you posted once that you reported people over FOURTY times one night, when you post the paranoia that your account was allegedly ''hacked into'' by an ''atheist'' when your paranoia of reporting people for ''impersonating'' you or your account you are creating an ENORMOUS amount of unwanted extra work for the CBS staffers, in short you have made yourself an annoying PEST and THAT is why your account gets deleted- YOU are the one abusing the boards, get over yourself.

If you don''t like how it is here, there''s a thousand other boards you can spew your religious reich material on.
I might also add your admission that you assulted two g@y men in a public stadium by tossing a drink on them- a crime for which a CBS story this week shows two teens were arrested and charged with battery for!

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by maiingan June 12, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
I''ve already sent (by USPS) a letter to the Camp Ranger, and e-mailed a copy to BSA''s Lloyd Roitstein, describing in detail my suggestion that tornado shelters be built there using Monolithic Dome construction; covered with native soil, grasses, flowers, and forbs to both increase the protectiveness and make it fit into the camp landscape better. From what I''ve read, this will do the trick. The real question is, will paid reporters cover this part of the story? Will the BSA look into my suggestion?
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by nothappyatall June 12, 2008 9:27 AM PDT

This has been occurring on these forums for about 4 months now, and myself, and other Christians have noticed

Posted by CBSisunfair (singinrick etc)

Yeah yeah Rick, you mean you and your hundreds of alias you have been using all these months to attack others who don''t believe in YOUR brand of deity.
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by gopsoccermom June 12, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
akpals, I have 6 children and have homeschooled them all myself and they have turned out beautifully. Indeed I would watch my back if I have sinned at sometime but I havent yet and am not planning to in the future.
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by msmithny June 12, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
My parents both grew up in Woodbine, Iowa just 20 miles or so from there. I still have cousins and their families in the area. I am praying this morning for the boys that were lost at such a young age. How devasting to Iowa and the country.

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by nothappyatall June 12, 2008 9:31 AM PDT
The poster blamed it on their so-called "hatred of gaays,"

Posted by CBSisunfair"

Oh but RICK, it''s ok for Pat Roberts and his ilk to publicly blame G@YS and the acceptance of them as gods wrath/punishment for the same natural disasters, citing the buybull etc RIGHT?

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by bdrlnt4rl June 12, 2008 9:35 AM PDT
Scout salute 1. bugler sound off. 2. May the great master of all scouts be with us all until we meet again. My Heart goes out to the Scouts, Troops, Leaders and their families. As a former scout leader I know how upseting this must be. I couldn''''''''''''''''t imagine the pain that must be. Once again my condonlences. From an Eagle Scout and Retired Scout master. God bless.

Posted by loneeagle57


to all the boys, scout master, voluteers, and parents of the boys who went out to have fun learning, hiking and have an adventure,,,,,I pray for strength, understanding, and comfort in this terrible tragedy. no child deserves to be scared, scared, hurt, or the feeling of being alone.

we must all put our energies toward these children and all those who have and will be affected by this loss.
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by al2008-2009 June 12, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
I*m appalled at governor Culver*s lack of response to the global warming thunderstorms, tornadoes, and floods. We have no comprehensive strategy in place whatsoever, let alone a detailed plan of action to mitigate the effects of these storms and tornadoes, and mother earth continues to suffer while the governor*s office refuses to go forward and do what*s right for mother earth.
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How long must we sit idly by while our mother continues to suffer from the warming taking place at a feverish pace? How long must our mother suffer before we have proper c02 taxes put into place? How long must the destruction of mother earth take place before we finally put progressive regulations into effect? How long must we wait until we beef up our corn ethanol production? At least Obama wants to cut c02 pollution by 80%; he is definitely our best hope. As Obama has recently stated on Earth Day, we will save the planet. We will change our economy to a green economy, eliminate our current anti-progressive economy, and eliminate c02 pollution by 80% in our generation. This is a change we all definitely need, a much needed change for the better.
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We the people call upon the governor to implement a comprehensive antiglobal warming strategy at once and work in coordination with state and federal officials; these tornadoes and storms continue to worsen and the quicker we stop the warming the sooner we will see these storms cease. We need action now.
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by drputt45 June 12, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
Hey, soccermom, never say never. I''ve seen how those moms on the sidelines look at those young, strong, vibrant soccer coaches with those enticing accents.
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by bdrlnt4rl June 12, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
Scout salute 1. bugler sound off. 2. May the great master of all scouts be with us all until we meet again. My Heart goes out to the Scouts, Troops, Leaders and their families. As a former scout leader I know how upseting this must be. I couldn''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''t imagine the pain that must be. Once again my condonlences. From an Eagle Scout and Retired Scout master. God bless.

Posted by loneeagle57


to all the boys, scout master, voluteers, and parents of the boys who went out to have fun learning, hiking and have an adventure,,,,,I pray for strength, understanding, and comfort in this terrible tragedy. no child deserves to be scared, scared, hurt, or the feeling of being alone.

we must all put our energies toward these children and all those who have and will be affected by this loss.
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by rob416 June 12, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
If this story does not bring out the need for a NOAA weather radio, I don''t know what does. There are portable NOAA weather radios, while won''t use "SAME" technology, to my knowledge. to pick up warnings for specific counties, it will pick up the stongest NOAA weather broadcast signal.

The scouts may not have had availiable shelter in spite of a warning, but it would have been better than
nothing. With the Spring tornadoe season in the Nation being well above normal, every household should have a NOAA weather radio. New homes that are being built in tornadoes prone areas should have concrete "safe rooms" built. Homes already built may be able to add them.

In trailer parks the NOAA radio would be invaluable. Oftens residents can''t afford them, but the Federal and state governments should have a program to distribute them at no charge to those that can''t afford them.

Tornadoes are dangerous. Warinigs help to save lives.
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by demslie June 12, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
I*m appalled at governor Culver*s lack of response to the global warming thunderstorms, tornadoes, and floods.

Posted by AL2008

You notice that this story is another opportunity for Democrats to slam the government and show their Endless Hate Rage and Anger at any subject. Democrats don%u2019t give a Damnn about Dead People. Democrats care about Political Agenda.
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by drputt45 June 12, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
And to Big AL the global warming whatever, reduce your carbon footprint first, then work on the rest of the world.
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by karlo59 June 12, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
Homosexuals and atheists
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by gopsoccermom June 12, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
drputt45, you are a dirty person!
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by maedean June 12, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
Why would you let your kids go camping when you knew the storms were out there and heading your way.. It is very sad for the kids who died and there families any way you look at it.
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by ejcspau June 12, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
Hey gopsoccermom:

%u201CDo not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you (Matthew 7:12).%u201D

You are sinning right now by lying and saying you are perfect. Only God is perfect. You are far from it.
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by usbrit-2009 June 12, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
Democrats care about Political Agenda.

Posted by demslie

Just go to he11 - AL2008 has been posting the same piece of garbage with a different name at the top for weeks now. He''s not representative of democrats in any way shape or form.
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by gopsoccermom June 12, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
ejcspau, never said I was perfect, just that I havent sinned yet.
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by minnick8-2009 June 12, 2008 11:24 AM PDT
Homosexuals and atheists
Posted by karlo59

Karlos59

Let me guess, you are not an American?
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by rrjgy39jkjlk June 12, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
DaVicar2, the potency of your illogic eludes you.
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by minnick8-2009 June 12, 2008 11:33 AM PDT
Hey, soccermom, never say never. I''''ve seen how those moms on the sidelines look at those young, strong, vibrant soccer coaches with those enticing accents.
Posted by drputt45

I don''t know why people make fun of soccer moms. Soccermoms or any moms who are involved with their children in numerous kinds of activities from home work, to any sports or dance or music are busy raising the next generation of functional adults. They should be applauded. Children who are left to raise themselves are the ones who end up in gangs and ultimately prison. They are the ones the rest of us spend our lives supporting in the prison system. Raising children to be funnctional adults who work and pay taxes and contribute to society is important and honorable work. I always had to work when my kids were young, and I felt very fortunate to have been able to find people who cared for my children as I would have if I hadn''t been in the work force.
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by minnick8-2009 June 12, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
We the people call upon the governor to implement a comprehensive antiglobal warming strategy at once and work in coordination with state and federal officials; these tornadoes and storms continue to worsen and the quicker we stop the warming the sooner we will see these storms cease. We need action now.
Posted by AL2008

Al, Al, Your posts are so boring and redundant. Climate change has been going on since the earth was created. It has been estimated that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. People came on the scene about 30,000 years ago which if you compare the time element to a 24 hour clock, puts peoples'' influence during the last ten minutes of time. What do you say about all the climate changes that occurred before man''s influence?

Yesterday, you said, "You will learn to live responsibly." I said that I live in a 600 sq. ft. apartment 3 blocks from work, and I drive a 1999 Ford Aspire. It has been years since I took off on any kind of a road trip.

I asked you to tell us about your last three vacations, and tell us about your house. You never answered.

Why won''''t you tell us?
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by bdrlnt4rl June 12, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
Scout salute 1. bugler sound off. 2. May the great master of all scouts be with us all until we meet again. My Heart goes out to the Scouts, Troops, Leaders and their families. As a former scout leader I know how upseting this must be. I couldn''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''t imagine the pain that must be. Once again my condonlences. From an Eagle Scout and Retired Scout master. God bless.

Posted by loneeagle57


to all the boys, scout master, voluteers, and parents of the boys who went out to have fun learning, hiking and have an adventure,,,,,I pray for strength, understanding, and comfort in this terrible tragedy. no child deserves to be scared, scared, hurt, or the feeling of being alone.

we must all put our energies toward these children and all those who have and will be affected by this loss.
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