June 9, 2008
Did Clinton Damage "Glass Ceiling"?
Two Leading Progressive Women Discuss The Question, On The Early Show
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"When we first started, people everywhere asked the same questions: Could a woman really serve as commander in chief? Well, I think we answered that one!" Clinton said.
" ... To those who are disappointed that we couldn't go all the way -- especially the young people who put so much into this campaign -- it would break my heart if, in falling short of my goal, I in any way discouraged any of you from pursuing yours. Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. And when you stumble, keep faith. And when you're knocked down, get right back up. And never listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on.
" ... Although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it."
Clinton was referring to the approximate number of votes she got in the course of the primary campaign.
So, how much damage did Clinton's campaign truly inflict on the "glass ceiling"?
For some perspective, Early Show co-anchor Harry Smith spoke with two women prominent in progressive political circles, Pat Schroeder, the former Colorado congresswoman and presidential hopeful, who's now president and CEO of the Association of American Publishers, and Arianna Huffington, co-founder and editor in chief of The Huffington Post.
Schroeder said Clinton's campaign showed, "There's a tremendous amount of sexism still out there," and society simply doesn't deal with sexism as it does, say, with racism and anti-Semitism, and the campaign showed we still have "a lot of ground to cover" combating sexism.
But Huffington said she's sure a woman will be in the Oval Office one day -- and Hillary is now her own person and "the keeper of the Clinton brand," which is much more populist than it had been.
Schroeder said Hillary is now her own person and Bill is "the tail of the kite!"
To see the interview, click on the arrow in the image below:
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See all 105 CommentsThe MSM special interest groups, and now Hillary, have made this election about everything but the issues which are pretty consequential. It''s a good thing that Hillary lost because she has now shown us that she has everything on her mind except what she should have.
We are $10 trillion in debt, the dollar is collapsing, the jobless rate grows every month, the oil companies have a death grip on us, we are sending $750 billion per year to foreign oil producing companies, we are involved in an illegal war, we are supporting 20 million illegal aliens with our social infrastructure that we already can''t afford to pay for, our educational system has been regulated to mediocrity, we are spending money we don''t have, and where is the money for this universal health care going to come from?
This change rhetoric, taking our country back rhetoric, he and she are wonderful rhetoric, cracks in the glass ceiling rhetoric, is all very nice but hardly stirring. We need to know what these people are going to do about these pressing issues.
We need to elect a good president now no matter if he or she is black, brown, purple, pink, male female, a thing, or anything else. Give this black white, male female baloney a rest. The more they talk about it the more you realize that they''ve got chips on their shoulders instead of heads.
So according to your logic, we are dumb for not lowering our standard to be in line with other dumb people? HAHAH .....classic.
That is the dumbest commnet I ever heard. True progress was made here, if we lose, the history was made and we did it without lowering ourselves to "win" by any means.
It was a bold move, but stupid? Far from it my friend.
GO Barrack!
P.S. For those of you who think that Obama should pick Hillary because she is a woman that could break the "Vice-Presidential Glass Ceiling," (ignoring Ferraro) consider Nancy Pelosi as a better choice. Obama needs a lieutenant not a marriage of convenience.
P.S. For those of you who think that Obama should pick Hillary because she is a woman that could break the "Vice-Presidential Glass Ceiling," (ignoring Ferraro) consider Nancy Pelosi as a better choice. Obama needs a lieutenant not a marriage of convenience.
Obama may have a rhetoric that some find appealing, but why would you vote for "Change" without knowing what that means?
One minute he won''t wear a flag pin, the next he won''t be seen without it.
He won''t get rid of Rev. Wright, the next he is history.
He won''t leave the Church, yep he is gone!
I almost think that John Kerry never changed his position after seeing Obama flip-flop :)
I would never have voted for Hillary, but you knew where she stood...most of the time. This should have been a massacre by the Dems, but now it will be a horse-race.
edgeco1.
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/06/inevitable-hypocrisy-of-politics.html
"Something of vengeance I had tasted for the first time; as aromatic wine it seemed, on swallowing, warm and racy: its after-flavor, metallic and corroding, gave me a sensation as if I had been poisoned."
Carefully consider the unintended consequences of your choices.
In response to edgeco1:
You are nitpicking banal media flares and passing it off as flip-flopping.
If you would like to understand what "voting for change" means, please read this document.
www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
It is clear that there are nefarious players behind the scenes for Obama. How is it he could have so many criminal and fanatical connections and still be in the running? I am convinced that those of the Middle East who wish to destroy this nation have found a way to do it from the inside. We as Americans all know the power of money, and who has more of it than those of the Middle East. Somehow they have jerry rigged the media to make Obama a Teflon Obama and now they are playing with the economy such as raising the gas prices so as to put the republican administration in a bad light. It is the Trojan horse again and most Americans seem too stupid to recognize it.
As for her supporters, they hammered Obama people as misguided or hypnotized saying that she had the Issues and Solutions. They were all right on this since clearly going with McCain closely matches their ideals.
As for Obama, if he ever had the audacity and the gaul to call me "sweetie" I would have told him where to put that sweetie. Uncalled for and arrogant. It is not a term of affection that any professional male would ever use. It really shows his lack of professionalism. Imagine if he ever called Eleanor Roosevelt "sweetie," or Condaleeza Rice...come on...that was sexist.
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It''s exactly the attitude that you display in your post that forces people to go for McCain. I''ve seen it from a lot of Obama supporters. Divisivness is going to put McCain in office.
The DNC bolted plywood under that glass ceiling.
American soldiers are dying for democracy in Iraq, while democracy in America is dying thanks to the DNC.
Ohhhh...but that would mean possibly accepting defeat based upon the public not agreeing that you are the right person for the job. Unthikable that all the unschooled ignorant masses could actually choose the best person based on content of character,ability to lead, and substance of ideas and ideology.
I am finished...thanks for reading and good day to you all. Keep America strong and vote your conscience not political correctness or party line! I believe in our process!!
sweet7ie [ sw%uF7FCtee ] (plural sweet7ies)
noun
Definition:
1. term of endearment: used as a term of endearment
2. endearing person or animal: a likable or lovable person or animal.
My Grandfather and probably everyove GF/Grand Mother called many many people sweetie. This term has never been though of as a bad term till Obama said it. Try to find one instance anywhere at anytime. It just shows that ''they'' will stoop to anything to put Obama down.
Obama spent most of his life with his Grandparents and people like that say sweetie all the time.
There''s nothing really wrong in all of that, and I don''t blame her and her supporters for feeling bitter. We all know life isn''t fair, but because we''re human, we still feel crummy about it. What bothers me is the relentless drumbeat to try and justify it, to blame it on sexism, or Barack Obama, and generally adopt the mantle of victims.
Grow up. Hillary Clinton set the rules of the contest, and Obama beat her anyway.
Remember how he stood by Rev. Wright until his handlers told him it was hurting his campaign (Rev. Wright told you how it was when he said that Obama said what he had to because he was a politician but you didn''t listen)?
Remember how his wife, in spite of all that she has received, was essentially never proud to be an American?
Has America gone so shallow that it votes for the snake oil salesman with the good talk even though he has yet to deliver anything. Have we gone to acting as if our National elections are another version of American Idol?
Yes there is sexism specially from arabs countries like saudi arabia, iran who still see woman as a second class citizen. A woman for president has not depended in USA but on the countries we depend from oil who has a developing mind on sexim. but more severe that sexism is racism that is a perpetrator of social injustice and Mrs. Clinton sure promoted racism. Sexism will go down by itself as we become a less dependent in foreign oil.
Hopefully the country allow for new electric cars to "break the glass" of the economy.
Hopefully the goverment resist the temptation from chevron and texaco (shell) lobbyst interest.
This multinational firms, have invested billions in the area of the caspian sea and gulf of guinea for more crude.
Hopefull we can be free from oil weapon manipulation from the arab countries, and the money we spend on gas goes to our USA electricity plants.
with electric cars we can say bye to terrorist threatening oil pipes.
As senator Obama said, we want change.
But see:"Just Like an Alien" @ http://orthotox.blogspot.com
Rules of the Democrat Party are not due to someone''s (like me) attitude. How anyone can support a Candidate that ''knows'' the Rules she made and agreed upon, then tried to change them to win and Election is beyond hope. Did you not hear Hillary say the day before the Votes in FLA and MI that, ''These States violated the Rules and their Votes will not Count !'' Was she just kidding ?
As far as Obama goes, he had to face the Feminist Rules and backlash:
1) If you criticize (like Obama wanted a clear answer for the Mandates of the Hillary Heath Plan): You are attacking a Woman !
2) If you give a complement (like praising Hillary for a hard fought race): You are being condescending and you are attacking a Woman !
3) Men are always wrong: Ask any Wife or Girlfriend !
Men can never win !
Quite frankly it does not matter whom you vote for as long as the people make that person accountable and demand real change, smaller government, and more control for the people. At the rate the country is going we will have two classes of people and America will be no more the land of opportunity.
Human rights, dignity and respect include women%u2019s rights, dignity and respect. It is obvious that sexism is still acceptable and even amusing to many in the Democratic Party. I amshamed of the way leaders of my party have treated one of its presidential candidates.
I have been a life long Democrat, but for the first time, I do not feel at home in this party.
There are those who say we must unite for the sake of the party, Supreme Court nominations and Roe v. Wade, etc. I find this argument to be a little disingenuous considering that many of those making it are still treating Hillary Clinton and her supporters with contempt.
For those who are truly concerned about these issues and want me to unite with you, there is something you must know. I will not just fall in line on command or through intimidation or further indignities. While I am deeply concerned about these issues, unless this party finds its grounding in fundamental fairness and respect for all, and adequately addresses the shortcomings made so apparent in the past few months, those issues are just a few of our worries and they will not control my vote.
If Barak Obama wants my vote, he will have to earn it by addressing these issues. Only then will I trust him with all the other issues that are so important to me and to this country.
It irks me to no end when people from this or that group that faces discrimination claims something to the effect of "our group is more oppressed than anybody else''s group." Not only was racism toward Obama every bit as obvious as sexism toward Clinton, but Clinton herself even appealed to racist sentiments during the campaign, as for example when she spoke of how "hard-working white Americans" supported her more than they did Obama. In fact, there were repeated insinuations from the Clinton campaign that Obama couldn''t win because he was black.
It irks me to no end when people from this or that group that faces discrimination claims something to the effect of "our group is more oppressed than anybody else''s group." Not only was racism toward Obama every bit as obvious as sexism toward Clinton, but Clinton herself even appealed to racist sentiments during the campaign, as for example when she spoke of how "hard-working white Americans" supported her more than they did Obama. In fact, there were repeated insinuations from the Clinton campaign that Obama couldn''t win because he was black.
I think what got most upset was that Hillery never once said the opposite: "Hard Working Black Voters support Obama"
Many, in particular, were upset by her not saying the Hard Working part of the other phrase.
The ironic contrast (and insult) was their doing it in a presidential primary race ! But politicians never seem to get just how STUPID they look and sound to the people, do they?
Anyway - Glad it''s all over and now, on to vote for McCain in November - after 30 years as a Democrat! "The party" has nearly a socialist organization and has no room for me....So I must go elsewhere~!
Sign me...
A New Independent
Before you altruistically offer to teach the rest of us English (1:39), perhaps you should take a refresher course yourself. Nouns not beginning a sentence are not capitalized. Are you a native German speaker?
As an aside, if your wife or girlfriend is constantly telling you that you''re wrong (1:54), I would tend to believe her.
Oh, the subject matter: gracious and magnanimous from Clinton. Can we all get behind Obama now?
The winner was chosen by the DNC - and the dnc seemed to have decided relatively early on whom they wanted. It''s interesting too that Sen. Clinton got the most sincere support on issues of gender bias from Sen McCain not from her own party leadership.
Remember, McCain served in Viet Nam but didn''t learn the most basic lesson of that disaster: the US can''t win a guerilla war or insurgency where our troops don''t speak the language and don''t look like the locals, while the insurgents do. This completely (and intentionally) misguided war has put the US in a fiscal hole for decades to come as wounded veterans need continuing medical care and assistance, and as we discover how inadequate the previous levels of Veterans Administration medical care has been. I think our economy might recover from a recession after a period of adjustment, BUT the hangover of government debt and continued spending for this war pretty much guarantees that Congress will make bad economic choices, opting for inflation and currency devaluation over actually paying for necessary government expenses like Veterans'' benefits with higher taxes.
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