June 9, 2008

Did Clinton Damage "Glass Ceiling"?

Two Leading Progressive Women Discuss The Question, On The Early Show

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(CBS)  Sen. Hillary Clinton officially suspended her presidential campaign over the weekend, endorsing Sen. Barack Obama and giving a rousing speech as she did.

"When we first started, people everywhere asked the same questions: Could a woman really serve as commander in chief? Well, I think we answered that one!" Clinton said.

" ... To those who are disappointed that we couldn't go all the way -- especially the young people who put so much into this campaign -- it would break my heart if, in falling short of my goal, I in any way discouraged any of you from pursuing yours. Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. And when you stumble, keep faith. And when you're knocked down, get right back up. And never listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on.

" ... Although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it."

Clinton was referring to the approximate number of votes she got in the course of the primary campaign.

So, how much damage did Clinton's campaign truly inflict on the "glass ceiling"?

For some perspective, Early Show co-anchor Harry Smith spoke with two women prominent in progressive political circles, Pat Schroeder, the former Colorado congresswoman and presidential hopeful, who's now president and CEO of the Association of American Publishers, and Arianna Huffington, co-founder and editor in chief of The Huffington Post.

Schroeder said Clinton's campaign showed, "There's a tremendous amount of sexism still out there," and society simply doesn't deal with sexism as it does, say, with racism and anti-Semitism, and the campaign showed we still have "a lot of ground to cover" combating sexism.

But Huffington said she's sure a woman will be in the Oval Office one day -- and Hillary is now her own person and "the keeper of the Clinton brand," which is much more populist than it had been.

Schroeder said Hillary is now her own person and Bill is "the tail of the kite!"

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by seiler1968 June 9, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
Before you start calling anyone "redneck" you need to learn how to use the proper use of the to...it''s "too redneck" - not "to redneck"..try again. BTW What color is Condi Rice and Colin Powell again? I could''ve swore they were black and held one of the most powerful offices in the land. Do you even know what office it is?
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by es48 June 9, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
This is not the time to be making history just to make history. We don''t need to elect a black man for the first time or a woman for the first time.

The MSM special interest groups, and now Hillary, have made this election about everything but the issues which are pretty consequential. It''s a good thing that Hillary lost because she has now shown us that she has everything on her mind except what she should have.

We are $10 trillion in debt, the dollar is collapsing, the jobless rate grows every month, the oil companies have a death grip on us, we are sending $750 billion per year to foreign oil producing companies, we are involved in an illegal war, we are supporting 20 million illegal aliens with our social infrastructure that we already can''t afford to pay for, our educational system has been regulated to mediocrity, we are spending money we don''t have, and where is the money for this universal health care going to come from?

This change rhetoric, taking our country back rhetoric, he and she are wonderful rhetoric, cracks in the glass ceiling rhetoric, is all very nice but hardly stirring. We need to know what these people are going to do about these pressing issues.

We need to elect a good president now no matter if he or she is black, brown, purple, pink, male female, a thing, or anything else. Give this black white, male female baloney a rest. The more they talk about it the more you realize that they''ve got chips on their shoulders instead of heads.
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by djadrock1979 June 9, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
Get rid of that sexism ***. I wouldn''t vote for her because I don''t like hilllary...nothing about being a woman. I don''t hear Barrack complaining that he lost WV and KY because of racism, which was why he lost them...I lived in WV for a few years and that is why. I do not like Hillary....it''s that simple. Many other people don''t. I think some people need a complaint for anytime she loses. She isn''t a nice person and I wouldn''t vote for her ever!! But I would vote for a woman if she were to run. Last time I checked Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House...WOMAN!
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by jasonmcj June 9, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
Let me get this straight luvwknd69.....Dems are stupid for not bowing down to the racist and sexist attitdes of the nation by not fielding a candidate that will appeal to racists and sexists?

So according to your logic, we are dumb for not lowering our standard to be in line with other dumb people? HAHAH .....classic.

That is the dumbest commnet I ever heard. True progress was made here, if we lose, the history was made and we did it without lowering ourselves to "win" by any means.

It was a bold move, but stupid? Far from it my friend.
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by djadrock1979 June 9, 2008 12:42 PM PDT
hahaha...in my last post C R A P came out as a bad word! That is crazy! Just thought I would post that so you didn''t think I was using 4 letter words.

GO Barrack!
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by pvperson June 9, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
seiler1968......Rice and Powell were NOT elected.
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by denisr3 June 9, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
Pat and Anna are both right and wrong for different reasons. The worst thing Hillary did was to project herself as a male. Bad experience. She was a perfect fit as a woman. Obama as himself created a better identification. Clinton had too much me, me, I, I. Obama had a great deal of humility. The next woman through the hoop will know better. On with Obama.
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by mikapeace June 9, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
I think that there have been some good points made - sexism and racism are alive and well and living here in the country where we are so arrogant that we think that we are the world leaders and so progressive - a total load of hooey. Many other nations have had women leaders for years, we just keep circling the bowl with the same bunch of tired old men, and look where it has gotten us? Name calling is not going to help, and pointing fingers will not work either. We put that same moron republican in the white house - two times! It''s an embarassment.
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by devinh8 June 9, 2008 12:51 PM PDT
I want to puke. Glass ceilings are a myth to make the disaffected feel justified by their pathetic lives. Instead of looking for a superficial token of power (like a women or black man in power) the Democratic Party should instead promote Universal Equality. Yes, I think I read that somewhere. The truth is that 99.99999% of white guys will never be President/CEO/Senator/Rich, but *** the trailer park white man that mentions it. Even if his Grandparents lived in a trailer park and his parents live in a trailer park and his kids will most likely live in a trailer park.
P.S. For those of you who think that Obama should pick Hillary because she is a woman that could break the "Vice-Presidential Glass Ceiling," (ignoring Ferraro) consider Nancy Pelosi as a better choice. Obama needs a lieutenant not a marriage of convenience.

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by devinh8 June 9, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
I want to puke. Glass ceilings are a myth to make the disaffected feel justified by their pathetic lives. Instead of looking for a superficial token of power (like a women or black man in power) the Democratic Party should instead promote Universal Equality. Yes, I think I read that somewhere. The truth is that 99.99999% of white guys will never be President/CEO/Senator/Rich, but *** the trailer park white man that mentions it. Even if his Grandparents lived in a trailer park and his parents live in a trailer park and his kids will most likely live in a trailer park.
P.S. For those of you who think that Obama should pick Hillary because she is a woman that could break the "Vice-Presidential Glass Ceiling," (ignoring Ferraro) consider Nancy Pelosi as a better choice. Obama needs a lieutenant not a marriage of convenience.

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by edgeco1 June 9, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
IMO, the Dems blew it, not because of color, but for lack of due diligence! I am not a fan of McCain, or Hillary, but at least they have a political history that you can bank on!

Obama may have a rhetoric that some find appealing, but why would you vote for "Change" without knowing what that means?

One minute he won''t wear a flag pin, the next he won''t be seen without it.
He won''t get rid of Rev. Wright, the next he is history.
He won''t leave the Church, yep he is gone!

I almost think that John Kerry never changed his position after seeing Obama flip-flop :)

I would never have voted for Hillary, but you knew where she stood...most of the time. This should have been a massacre by the Dems, but now it will be a horse-race.

edgeco1.
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by spittendrigh June 9, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
Concluding sexism exists just because Hillary lost is a bit presumptuous. If Hillary was the nominee I''d vote for her, but I wouldn''t like it much. If Nancy Pelosi and/or Donna Brazile was the nominee I''d have a big grin (rather than a grimace) when I voted. So my distaste for Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with gender.
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by spittendrigh June 9, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
Concluding sexism exists just because Hillary lost is a bit presumptuous. If Hillary was the nominee I''d vote for her, but I wouldn''t like it much. If Nancy Pelosi and/or Donna Brazile was the nominee I''d have a big grin (rather than a grimace) when I voted. So my distaste for Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with gender.
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by spittendrigh June 9, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
Concluding sexism exists just because Hillary lost is a bit presumptuous. If Hillary was the nominee I''d vote for her, but I wouldn''t like it much. If Nancy Pelosi and/or Donna Brazile was the nominee I''d have a big grin (rather than a grimace) when I voted. So my distaste for Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with gender.
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by Axual June 9, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
Yes, I know, we''re all victims ... Hillary included. What a sad commentary. Can''t we all just get along.
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by grandan100 June 9, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
I am pretty sure the reason Hillary didn''t make it to the Democratic Parties nominee is not because of ''sexism''. I believe it is because of Hillary herself. I do hope and do believe that a woman will someday be president of the United States. Just NOT this woman. Enough people had more than enough exposure to her to see that she simply is not what this country needs as a leader. I think it is no more complicated than that. For those among us that keep harping on ''sexism'' is just noise from sore losers that can''t see what is truth.
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by michaelt43 June 9, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
Well, the Dem''s have lost my vote. I won''t be voting in November because I don''t think I could vote for either person and actually sleep that night. I know a lot of registered democrats that feel the exact same way. There is nothing like disenfranchising your supporters. Something needs to change with the Democratic primary process. They (I just changed that from we, I''m no longer a part of the party) need to change it to be able to have a nominee around the same time as the republicans do.
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by PacificGatePost June 9, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
The strange hypocritical world of politics finds Hillary supporting Obama ---

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/06/inevitable-hypocrisy-of-politics.html


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by June 9, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
For those who would vote for Sen. McCain to spite the DNC for alleged misogyny, please consider what Charlotte Bronte said over a century and half ago.

"Something of vengeance I had tasted for the first time; as aromatic wine it seemed, on swallowing, warm and racy: its after-flavor, metallic and corroding, gave me a sensation as if I had been poisoned."

Carefully consider the unintended consequences of your choices.
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by ejmgrungeman June 9, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
Hillary accomplished so much. I honestly respect both her and Obama, I''m only sorry this campaign became so incredibly divisive. Here''s hoping that glass ceiling will be shattered soon, starting with a VP slot for her or Sebelius.

In response to edgeco1:

You are nitpicking banal media flares and passing it off as flip-flopping.

If you would like to understand what "voting for change" means, please read this document.

www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
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by olandug-2009 June 9, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
Obama stole his candidacy just as he stole it when he got elected as senator.
It is clear that there are nefarious players behind the scenes for Obama. How is it he could have so many criminal and fanatical connections and still be in the running? I am convinced that those of the Middle East who wish to destroy this nation have found a way to do it from the inside. We as Americans all know the power of money, and who has more of it than those of the Middle East. Somehow they have jerry rigged the media to make Obama a Teflon Obama and now they are playing with the economy such as raising the gas prices so as to put the republican administration in a bad light. It is the Trojan horse again and most Americans seem too stupid to recognize it.
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by lottobee June 9, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
NEVER underestimate the power of women in this country. They are 55% of the vote and far too many of the democratic women voters are very, very angry with their party. I believe the democratic party is in VERY serious trouble this November and the Florida Michigan debacle has really compounded their problems. No one could have possibly planned this outcome but it is a great tragedy for our nation that the most qualified person ever to make a run for the presidency has been snuffed out by her own party --- and because of this injustice we will have to suffer another 4 years of a republican administration which will do nothing for working Americans.
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by bdaman4you June 9, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
Obama stole the Election because the Clintons made Harold Ickes write all the Rules that everyone agreed on, including the Caucus Rules, and so she had a perfect right to be able to change them so that she would win because that was what was supposed to happen. Bad Bad Obama ! - Playing by the Rules is for sissies !

As for her supporters, they hammered Obama people as misguided or hypnotized saying that she had the Issues and Solutions. They were all right on this since clearly going with McCain closely matches their ideals.

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by abrennan4 June 9, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
As a young woman just starting out in politics, I find the battle Hillary Clinton has gone through to be inspiring. I am a Republican, and I do not like "The Clintons," but in some way she managed to distance herself from them in my point of view. She did not sit down and shut up when people wanted her to. She didn''t quit fighting until she absolutely had to. I found that inspiring. I have never thought there was a glass ceiling. Maybe her historical candidacy shows that there is, maybe it doesn''t. I don''t care...I did find Clinton''s tenacity exciting.

As for Obama, if he ever had the audacity and the gaul to call me "sweetie" I would have told him where to put that sweetie. Uncalled for and arrogant. It is not a term of affection that any professional male would ever use. It really shows his lack of professionalism. Imagine if he ever called Eleanor Roosevelt "sweetie," or Condaleeza Rice...come on...that was sexist.
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by michaelt43 June 9, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
To bdaman4you

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It''s exactly the attitude that you display in your post that forces people to go for McCain. I''ve seen it from a lot of Obama supporters. Divisivness is going to put McCain in office.
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by jessicanaomi-2009 June 9, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
Obama tied the tails of the donkey and the elephant together when he decided that only half the Florida voters counted. He spread donkey dung all over the glass ceiling when he claimed votes from Michigan he never earned -- he decided not to be put on the ballot. Audacious yes, hopeful not so much.

The DNC bolted plywood under that glass ceiling.

American soldiers are dying for democracy in Iraq, while democracy in America is dying thanks to the DNC.
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by lorinkundert June 9, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
If anyone had unearned votes, it was Hillary ignoring the agreement she made to not campaign in Florida or Michigan and then crying about it after every other candidate fulfilled their part of the agreement.
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by trufrmost June 9, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
What is wrong with not voting for someone because of skin color or gender. In todays world where everyone seems to make up their own rules and reasons for what they do and think...I would think that it would be open season for racist and sexist bigots! Hey..the more the merrier!! Truth be told, those who claim to have been treated unfairly because of their race or ***...more times than not want some kind of special consideration for being "different". Hillary wants to be judged only by her merits...but then points out that she is a woman and its about time a woman gets to hold the highest office in the land...as if being a woman is somehow a qualifier. And B.O....the same mantra occurs from him when he talks about his upbringing and that he is a black man that can understand how the oppressed blacks of this world feel. Are there blacks that are still oprressed by whites?...or are they oppressed by the "lie" that racism is holding them back, and therfore choose to believe and live by the lie!!! And if it were to be true (which it is not) that there is oppression of blacks "by" whites...does he really understand or just "halfway" understand? Remember, he is only half black! They both want to have thier cake and eat it too. If they really want to impress...leave all the talk about black and female out of the equation and just stick to their ideology and experience, etc.
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by trufrmost June 9, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
Continued...
Ohhhh...but that would mean possibly accepting defeat based upon the public not agreeing that you are the right person for the job. Unthikable that all the unschooled ignorant masses could actually choose the best person based on content of character,ability to lead, and substance of ideas and ideology.
I am finished...thanks for reading and good day to you all. Keep America strong and vote your conscience not political correctness or party line! I believe in our process!!
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by uphigh7 June 9, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
Senator Clinton lost the race on her own accord, not because of the fact that she is a woman. Who honestly thinks that a woman can''t handle the job? What evidence is there to support that she was discriminated against because shes a female? Would people not say the same thing about Obama not winning because hes black? Stop stereotyping and making an issue out of something that is not. Everytime someone like Schroeder or Jesse Jackson cry wolf it sets their respective groups back. It shows their weaknesses, not their strengths. Obama won because hes the better candidate, not because Hillary is a chick.
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by bdaman4you June 9, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
Amazing how people don''t know the English Language anymore:

sweet7ie [ sw%uF7FCtee ] (plural sweet7ies)

noun

Definition:

1. term of endearment: used as a term of endearment

2. endearing person or animal: a likable or lovable person or animal.

My Grandfather and probably everyove GF/Grand Mother called many many people sweetie. This term has never been though of as a bad term till Obama said it. Try to find one instance anywhere at anytime. It just shows that ''they'' will stoop to anything to put Obama down.

Obama spent most of his life with his Grandparents and people like that say sweetie all the time.
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by cosmotopper June 9, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
Having listened patiently to all these angry Clinton supporters, and registered their threats to retaliate because they didn''t get the outcome they wanted, I''m convinced that for them this was not about any political issue at all. It was about identifying with a woman who''s struggled for recognition all her life, been dissed by her husband for reasons not her fault, and been dissed by the electorate for reasons that are entirely her fault.

There''s nothing really wrong in all of that, and I don''t blame her and her supporters for feeling bitter. We all know life isn''t fair, but because we''re human, we still feel crummy about it. What bothers me is the relentless drumbeat to try and justify it, to blame it on sexism, or Barack Obama, and generally adopt the mantle of victims.

Grow up. Hillary Clinton set the rules of the contest, and Obama beat her anyway.
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by beth7777 June 9, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
My lack of support for Hillary was based on the fact that she is still married to that cigar pervert who shouldn''t be anywhere near the White House ever again. And any woman who thinks Bill Clinton isn''t a disgrace to this country needs a thump on the head.
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by rkkirch June 9, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
Obama voting for change means that is all we in the shrinking middle class will have when he gets through pandering to those who voted for him. Remember his words in Hollywood when he thought he wasn''t being recorded? That is part of the real Obama.
Remember how he stood by Rev. Wright until his handlers told him it was hurting his campaign (Rev. Wright told you how it was when he said that Obama said what he had to because he was a politician but you didn''t listen)?
Remember how his wife, in spite of all that she has received, was essentially never proud to be an American?
Has America gone so shallow that it votes for the snake oil salesman with the good talk even though he has yet to deliver anything. Have we gone to acting as if our National elections are another version of American Idol?
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by almitaaa June 9, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
Mrs clinton is a very lucky woman who is married to a an ex- president, after being first lady was opportunist enought to jump as senator, then she prolonged a lost battle and forced herself into those voters with the help of husband, somehow she wanted historic glory.
Yes there is sexism specially from arabs countries like saudi arabia, iran who still see woman as a second class citizen. A woman for president has not depended in USA but on the countries we depend from oil who has a developing mind on sexim. but more severe that sexism is racism that is a perpetrator of social injustice and Mrs. Clinton sure promoted racism. Sexism will go down by itself as we become a less dependent in foreign oil.

Hopefully the country allow for new electric cars to "break the glass" of the economy.

Hopefully the goverment resist the temptation from chevron and texaco (shell) lobbyst interest.
This multinational firms, have invested billions in the area of the caspian sea and gulf of guinea for more crude.

Hopefull we can be free from oil weapon manipulation from the arab countries, and the money we spend on gas goes to our USA electricity plants.

with electric cars we can say bye to terrorist threatening oil pipes.

As senator Obama said, we want change.
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by orthotox June 9, 2008 1:53 PM PDT
Look again Hillary: the glass ceiling is a mirror! How your own vanity and personal limitations reflexively get turned into systemic sexism and others''shortcomings sadly confirms the invidious stereotype of woman as self-indulgent, immature and irresponsible.
But see:"Just Like an Alien" @ http://orthotox.blogspot.com
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by bdaman4you June 9, 2008 1:54 PM PDT
michaelt43

Rules of the Democrat Party are not due to someone''s (like me) attitude. How anyone can support a Candidate that ''knows'' the Rules she made and agreed upon, then tried to change them to win and Election is beyond hope. Did you not hear Hillary say the day before the Votes in FLA and MI that, ''These States violated the Rules and their Votes will not Count !'' Was she just kidding ?

As far as Obama goes, he had to face the Feminist Rules and backlash:

1) If you criticize (like Obama wanted a clear answer for the Mandates of the Hillary Heath Plan): You are attacking a Woman !

2) If you give a complement (like praising Hillary for a hard fought race): You are being condescending and you are attacking a Woman !

3) Men are always wrong: Ask any Wife or Girlfriend !
Men can never win !
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by catparry1 June 9, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
hillary is in error, as are the quoted commentators. we can elect a woman, one who mirrors the qualities of barak obama. hillary is just "not the correct woman"; too much baggage, hostile, blaming, unskillful, harsh, unprincipled; in short, exemplifies the worst aspects of personhood. of note, i am a feminist.
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by ladyhawk41 June 9, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
Oil and food costs (Now lets add textiles to that as well...cotton) have risen because our government is currently set up to make the rich richer and the poor poorer as well as make the middle class extinct (with all the out-sourcing of working class jobs). Speculators and trading games have made oil the new gold for investors and other commodities are following suit. However Gold prices do not affect so directly the middle and lower financial classes as oil, food and textiles obviously does. With the people demanding change our countries rich and corrupt are trying to milk as much as they can out of our pockets before the people either submit or take back it''s government. We need to blame the nation%u2019s problems within not some sort of outside conspiracy. 60% of the US oil comes from the US, Canada and Mexico while just 7% comes from the Saudis. Since everyone I have spoken with has dropped their consumption drastically prices should be going down. Unless our government is buying up the surplus to keep supply low and demand high, which could be the case, or speculators have a larger role then they lead us to believe in gouging from our wallets. Maybe it is a little of both.
Quite frankly it does not matter whom you vote for as long as the people make that person accountable and demand real change, smaller government, and more control for the people. At the rate the country is going we will have two classes of people and America will be no more the land of opportunity.
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by maggie118 June 9, 2008 1:58 PM PDT


Human rights, dignity and respect include women%u2019s rights, dignity and respect. It is obvious that sexism is still acceptable and even amusing to many in the Democratic Party. I amshamed of the way leaders of my party have treated one of its presidential candidates.
I have been a life long Democrat, but for the first time, I do not feel at home in this party.
There are those who say we must unite for the sake of the party, Supreme Court nominations and Roe v. Wade, etc. I find this argument to be a little disingenuous considering that many of those making it are still treating Hillary Clinton and her supporters with contempt.
For those who are truly concerned about these issues and want me to unite with you, there is something you must know. I will not just fall in line on command or through intimidation or further indignities. While I am deeply concerned about these issues, unless this party finds its grounding in fundamental fairness and respect for all, and adequately addresses the shortcomings made so apparent in the past few months, those issues are just a few of our worries and they will not control my vote.
If Barak Obama wants my vote, he will have to earn it by addressing these issues. Only then will I trust him with all the other issues that are so important to me and to this country.







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by nellpost June 9, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
HILLARY is/was/will continue to be my hero!
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by jmelt3 June 9, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
"Schroeder said Clinton''s campaign showed, ''There''s a tremendous amount of sexism still out there, and society simply doesn''t deal with sexism as it does, say, with racism and anti-Semitism...''"

It irks me to no end when people from this or that group that faces discrimination claims something to the effect of "our group is more oppressed than anybody else''s group." Not only was racism toward Obama every bit as obvious as sexism toward Clinton, but Clinton herself even appealed to racist sentiments during the campaign, as for example when she spoke of how "hard-working white Americans" supported her more than they did Obama. In fact, there were repeated insinuations from the Clinton campaign that Obama couldn''t win because he was black.
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by jmelt3 June 9, 2008 2:08 PM PDT
"Schroeder said Clinton''s campaign showed, ''There''s a tremendous amount of sexism still out there, and society simply doesn''t deal with sexism as it does, say, with racism and anti-Semitism...''"

It irks me to no end when people from this or that group that faces discrimination claims something to the effect of "our group is more oppressed than anybody else''s group." Not only was racism toward Obama every bit as obvious as sexism toward Clinton, but Clinton herself even appealed to racist sentiments during the campaign, as for example when she spoke of how "hard-working white Americans" supported her more than they did Obama. In fact, there were repeated insinuations from the Clinton campaign that Obama couldn''t win because he was black.
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by bdaman4you June 9, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
jmelt3

I think what got most upset was that Hillery never once said the opposite: "Hard Working Black Voters support Obama"

Many, in particular, were upset by her not saying the Hard Working part of the other phrase.
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by mcpetey22 June 9, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
I''m glad to read these comments by a lot of sensible people who see the obvious. How arrogant for Hillary Clinton to believe she lost the election because she''s a victim of sexism. She''s a victim of being Hillary. Plain and simple. She was long prepared to cry sexism if she lost this campaign. This demonstrates her stereotype of Americans, not the other way around. She never would have launched such a massive campaign without thoroughly reading and understanding the polls, which indicated America is not sexist enough to keep a woman from being our leader. Get over yourself, Hillary! You were a popular first lady, and became symbol of hope for women in powerful roles. But you weren''t the right one for the job. Another woman, who will be more qualified, who hasn''t taken shortcuts, who''s fame doesn''t rely on that her husband, and who is more respected will someday be our President. I hope I have the chance to vote for her.
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by jrdevo June 9, 2008 2:19 PM PDT
The Democratic primaries were entertaining in that it was fun watching representatives of two so-called "disadvantaged groups" beat each other up on the topic of who was most disadvantaged...what a CROCK!

The ironic contrast (and insult) was their doing it in a presidential primary race ! But politicians never seem to get just how STUPID they look and sound to the people, do they?

Anyway - Glad it''s all over and now, on to vote for McCain in November - after 30 years as a Democrat! "The party" has nearly a socialist organization and has no room for me....So I must go elsewhere~!

Sign me...

A New Independent

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by garycroke June 9, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
bdaman4you,

Before you altruistically offer to teach the rest of us English (1:39), perhaps you should take a refresher course yourself. Nouns not beginning a sentence are not capitalized. Are you a native German speaker?

As an aside, if your wife or girlfriend is constantly telling you that you''re wrong (1:54), I would tend to believe her.

Oh, the subject matter: gracious and magnanimous from Clinton. Can we all get behind Obama now?
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by topgun747 June 9, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
Hillary Clinton ran an outstanding campaign, but I don''t think she cracked the "glass ceiling" - for that she would have had to win the nomination.
The winner was chosen by the DNC - and the dnc seemed to have decided relatively early on whom they wanted. It''s interesting too that Sen. Clinton got the most sincere support on issues of gender bias from Sen McCain not from her own party leadership.
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by budgethawk June 9, 2008 2:35 PM PDT
I have been an Obama supporter through the primaries, but I don''t see differences in outlook or major policies between him & Clinton that are worth fighting over. I certainly would have voted for Hillary over McCain in November.

Remember, McCain served in Viet Nam but didn''t learn the most basic lesson of that disaster: the US can''t win a guerilla war or insurgency where our troops don''t speak the language and don''t look like the locals, while the insurgents do. This completely (and intentionally) misguided war has put the US in a fiscal hole for decades to come as wounded veterans need continuing medical care and assistance, and as we discover how inadequate the previous levels of Veterans Administration medical care has been. I think our economy might recover from a recession after a period of adjustment, BUT the hangover of government debt and continued spending for this war pretty much guarantees that Congress will make bad economic choices, opting for inflation and currency devaluation over actually paying for necessary government expenses like Veterans'' benefits with higher taxes.
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by mcpetey22 June 9, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
luvwknd69, somebody touch a nerve with you? This is forum for mature, intelligent and civil adults. At least try to blend in please.
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