Obama On Brink Of Historic Victory

Washington Post: On Day Of Final Primaries, Clinton Ponders Options As Party Looks To Unify

(Washingtonpost.com)  This story was written by Shailagh Murray and Anne E. Kornblut.

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On the eve of the final two primaries of a five-month marathon, Sen. Barack Obama stood poised to wrap up the Democratic presidential nomination, while Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton weighed whether to stay in the race in hopes of delaying what appears to be an inevitable outcome.

Obama is optimistic that he will be able to claim victory Tuesday evening at a gathering in St. Paul, Minn., with superdelegates preparing to rally to his candidacy on the eve of the day's contests in South Dakota and Montana and push him past the threshold of 2,118 delegates needed to clinch the nomination.

Clinton sent mixed signals about her plans throughout the day Monday. As her campaign recalled field staffers to New York, one adviser indicated that she would suspend, but not end, her campaign within days. But the candidate herself said she will continue to argue to the group of party insiders who will hold sway over the final outcome that her strong showing in recent contests demonstrates that she would be the more electable candidate in November.

"Tomorrow is the last day of the primaries and the beginning of a new phase in the campaign," Clinton said in Yankton, S.D., before she prepared to depart for a Tuesday-night rally in New York. "After South Dakota and Montana vote, I will lead in the popular vote and Senator Obama will lead in the delegate count. The voters will have voted, and so the decision will fall to the delegates empowered to vote at the Democratic convention. I will be spending the coming days making my case to those delegates."

Party leaders worked behind the scenes to establish an outcome that would limit the long-term damage from the protracted and divisive campaign, hoping to provide a quick and graceful exit for Clinton and clear the path for the first African American presidential nominee.

On Capitol Hill, three uncommitted senators, Tom Harkin (Iowa), Thomas R. Carper (Del.) and Ken Salazar (Colo.), met Monday to discuss a "quick conclusion" to the Democratic race, but Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) privately urged them to delay any announcement until the final votes have been counted, according to multiple Democratic sources.

But prominent Democrats predicted that members of Congress would unite around Obama's candidacy before week's end.

Rep. James E. Clyburn (S.C.), the highest-ranking African American in the House leadership, announced his support for Obama on Tuesday. And indications were that others, including Sens. Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, would endorse Obama after the votes come in from their state. Governors from the opposing camps also floated the idea of a joint event in the coming days to show their support for the front-runner.

Campaigning Monday in Michigan, a key November battleground, Obama said he considers Clinton a valued ally in his general-election contest against Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive GOP nominee. Clinton ran "an outstanding race," Obama told a packed crowd in this middle-class suburb of Detroit. He vowed, "She and I will be working together in November."

At a later stop in Waterford, Obama recounted for reporters a telephone conversation he had with Clinton on Sunday in which he congratulated her for winning the Puerto Rico primary. He said he told her that "once the dust settled, I was looking forward to meeting her at a time and place of her choosing" to talk about the campaign's next phase. In the meantime, he added, "we've still got two more contests to go."

Obama said he also told Clinton that "there aren't too many people who understand how hard she's been working." He added: "I'm one of them, because she and I have been on this same journey together."

As Clinton made a final push for votes across South Dakota, her advisers said her options ranged from dropping out Tuesday night and endorsing Obama to making a final effort to convince uncommitted superdelegates that she would be a stronger rival to McCain.

Another, according to senior Clinton advisers, is what they dubbed the "middle option," for Clinton to suspend her campaign, acknowledging that Obama has crossed the delegate threshold but keeping her options open until the convention in late August. Advisers said she is looking at historical precedent while weighing her recent victories, including her landslide win in Puerto Rico, in trying to sort out what to do.

Clinton has been angered by recent calls for her to quit, her advisers said, and the "soft landing" of suspending her campaign would allow her to move ahead on her own terms.

Speaking to reporters in Sioux Falls, S.D., spokesman Mo Elleithee was unequivocal, saying that Clinton intends to spend the next several days "making the case to undecided delegates" and adding: "She's in this race until we have a nominee. She expects to be that nominee."

But it was clear that Monday's final lap was bittersweet for the Clintons. Supporters greeted her outside a Rapid City diner with rapturous praise and encouragement, along with some tears. "Keep fighting!" one woman urged the senator from New York. Another woman, Margaret Dimock, sobbed as she told Clinton about lifelong medical problems that have left her uninsured. "Don't get discouraged. Keep the faith," Clinton said, instructing her staff to take down the woman's name and address.

Former president Bill Clinton sounded wistful before an audience in Milbank, S.D. "This may be the last day I'm ever involved in a campaign of this kind," he told supporters. "I thought I was out of politics, till Hillary decided to run. But it has been one of the greatest honors of my life to go around and campaign for her for president."

The day also had moments that underscored the struggles the high-profile former first couple have endured in the campaign. At his stop in Milbank, Bill Clinton also launched a tirade against Vanity Fair writer Todd Purdum, who recently published a sharply critical article about his post-White House conduct. He called Purdum "sleazy" and a "scumbag" in comments to a reporter for the Huffington Post, a liberal Web site, leading a spokesman for the candidate to issue an apology.

"President Clinton was understandably upset about an outrageously unfair article, but the language today was inappropriate and he wishes he had not used it," Clinton aide Jay Carson said in a statement.

Obama campaign officials, meanwhile, held out hope that the senator from Illinois would be able to cross the finish line when the polls close in Montana on Tuesday evening, and that superdelegates would then be ready to come forward in large numbers.

He expects to pick up about 20 pledged delegates in Tuesday's primaries, leaving him roughly two dozen superdelegates short of the 2,118 mark. Sen. Claire McCaskill (Mo.), an Obama supporter, told reporters in the Capitol on Monday afternoon that she had spoken to 10 undeclared superdelegates since Sunday and that they all understood that the race was likely to be over Tuesday night.

"They think this competition is about to wind down," McCaskill said. "Yes, they will be committing, and yes, they will be committing before sunset tomorrow."

One advantage to a wave of superdelegates moving to Obama early on Tuesday is that it would allow him to clinch the nomination with the pledged delegates awarded through voting in the evening as opposed to relying on the support of superdelegates, who are largely elected officials and party insiders. That would also allow Obama to deliver an unambiguous victory speech at St. Paul's Xcel Energy Center, where Republicans will hold their national convention in September.

If not Tuesday, Obama aides are confident that the nomination will be secured Wednesday or Thursday, as party leaders begin to close ranks around Obama. Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean have all urged a speedy end to the contest after voting is concluded, and many of their colleagues expect them to lead the way in preventing a prolonged standoff.

"There are a lot of superdelegates who are waiting for the last couple of contests, but I think that they are going to be making decisions fairly quickly after that," Obama told reporters in Waterford. "My sense is that between Tuesday and Wednesday, that we've got a good chance of getting the number that we need to win the nomination."

The Obama campaign is also organizing a Thursday-night rally in Northern Virginia. For the moment it has been billed as a typical event, but it could turn into a major spectacle featuring numerous party luminaries, depending on the events of the next few days.

There were unmistakable signs that Democratic leaders already are closing ranks. In their meeting Monday, Harkin, Carper and Salazar mapped out a strategy for possibly endorsing Obama as a group, and they planned to meet again Wednesday with the 18 other Senate Democrats who remain on the sidelines.

"A lot of us just feel that the sooner that this thing comes to a close, that we have a nominee, the better off everyone's going to be in our party," Harkin said.

[jedi080808]

What a great day. We will never have to deal with another Clinton for President again!

The fat lady in suit pants in finally singing!

[sayso2]

Whether or not Obama wins the nomination and goes on to be President, one thing is clear. The next generation will need to learn how to cope with and resolve the plethora of domestic and foreign issues that have become their legacy. There is no time like the present for them to get into the game. Much needs to be done and the baby boomer generation must pass the torch at some point.

[gkc99]

"The next generation will need to learn how to cope with and resolve the plethora of domestic and foreign issues that have become their legacy. "--Posted by sayso2


It won''t be the pathetic, useless Generation X, children of the Reagan "greed is good" years. They''re fixated on seeing how much they can kissy up to the boss man, big supporters of the Darth Bushit Neocons.

I do have high hopes for Generation D however.

It''s like that in America--you get a creative, productive generation, then a useless whiny one.

The WW2 people--productive
The 50s repressed lost generation--useless
The boomers--productive
Gen X--useless
Gen D--productive

Strange, isn''t it?

[jack3213]

the DNC does not know how to play by the rules, and that is the exmaple of how the DNC works. Anyone who thinks a Republican is dishonest hasn''t met a Democrat. Obama will lose the general election more than any other candidate in the past. America is not ready for a black president, there is still much to much racism yet to overcome.

[samthetvcat]

---"but Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) privately urged them to delay any announcement until the final votes have been counted, according to multiple Democratic sources"---

Sorry if I''m even more punchy in the morning than usual, but these undeclared Superdelegates have gotten on my last nerve . . . do they really think Hillary is EVER going to give them permission to vote for moving forward? The argument''s always to just give give her until June, then one more week, one more day, one more hour - they give her an inch and then she blasts them with arguments about why they still need to give her the Presidency.

Time is ticking . . . have the Supers ever stopped to think that maybe the faster she''s forced to deal with the reality she can''t quite face on her own, the more time she has to try and develop a working relationship and possible ticket with Barack and the better off we ALL are as a result?

Instead of indulging her questions of what''s the hurry, why not stop for a minute and listen to the rest of the party - we the voters - who are asking what''s the delay?!? It''s making our candidate look weak . . . grrr!

[craigh9]

I am extremely happy that Clinton has lost, and sincerely hope that Obama does not cave in to the pressure that will be brought to place her on the ticket.
This is our opportunity to change politics in America. Our system of government is fractured. It is completely unable to function in a reasonable manner - everything from nominating a candidate to the environment is split roughly down the middle - every issue is viewed 50/50 by our legislators because they have become party robots which creates tremendous stagnation. Just look at the gas crisis, congress has done nothing because they are stimied - they have done more for the polar bears than human beings so far in 2008.
I don''t know if Obama is really the answer - but at least it will create an opportunity for change - if Hillary or McCain were to become president that stagnation would just get worse.

[jedi080808]

All you Hillary supporters need to consider this. You say this election was stolen from you or their was sexism and thats why she lost, well your just flat wrong.

On the first point, she ran a hard good race but lost just barley. She lost in delegates and in Popular vote, so the Supers are following the will of the people. Remember that Delegates are how we chose are nominee, not popular vote. This system was created so that the canidates wouldn''t just campaign in the most populated states, they would have a reason to go to Iowa instead of just campaigning in New York and Cali.

Too the second point, Clinton is the one who had all the advantages. She started out with 200 super Delegates before she had even won a single vote. Why, because her last name was Clinton. She started out with a huge money lead, and didn''t lose it until the genius idea and new way to raise money using his small donor internet plan over took her establishment money.

She also got to run basically Bill''s third term. She claimed his 8 years of experience as hers
continued

[jedi080808]

part 2 continued


No other person could ever do this. The Treasure couldn''t say, Well I was Treasure during Clinton''s 8 years so I''m just like him. He would of been laughed at, but for some reason everyone just excepted this to be fact. Not to mention she got to say she was against everything bad bill did like NAFTA. Got to have it both ways.
Anyways, it was never sexism, it was front runner status gets the most attention and negative press, by the right and then also by the media.

Look who got the worst press the last two months.... OBAMA did because he became the front runner. So stop fitting your profile and acting like a bunch of girls and blaming sexism for everything. Blame the fact that she didn''t plan for caucus''s, she didn''t plan past super tuesday, she didn''t use internet for fund raising until is was to late Hillaryclinton.com She sounds like a sorry car sales man every time she says it

[samthetvcat]

---"One advantage to a wave of superdelegates moving to Obama early on Tuesday is that it would allow him to clinch the nomination with the pledged delegates awarded through voting in the evening as opposed to relying on the support of superdelegates, who are largely elected officials and party insiders. That would also allow Obama to deliver an unambiguous victory speech at St. Paul''s Xcel Energy Center, where Republicans will hold their national convention in September."---

If the Supers want minimal slack for their endorsements, particularly those who are being pressured to commit rather than avoid the responsibility altogether, wouldn''t the ideal time be right after polls close before the press projects Montana for Barack so that they''re not Superdelegate number 2118? Better to have Hillary hate Montana than any one person, right?

Besides, if everybody''s avoiding endorsements because there''s personal consequences they want to avoid, doesn''t that mean Barack''s going to have a REALLY hard time reaching that number - ever - until late August? If Montana isn''t number 2118, who else then is going to step up to the plate?

[redlipsahead]

Obama is poised to win !@#$%. OBAMA WILL NEVER BEAT SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN IN NOVEMEBER.

Obama can''t change Chicago. He has his racist church and pastor for 20 years. The streets in Chicago are worse than ever with violent crime, shootings, killings, muggings, grugs, hookers, gangbangers. Obama are you really safer in Chicago now? Great job Obama, clean your own house before you try to clean and change america. Chicago has changed for the worse.

OBAMA WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE or BY MILLIONS OF OTHER DEMOCRATS.

TO THE SUPER-DELEGATES, YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO SAVE AMERICA AND SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT.

[jedi080808]

Part 3

Also, you had Bill out there saying stupid things all the time waving his fingure and taking the attention away from her. Making her look BAD. All these things are why she lost. Not her gender and not her last name, Thats ALL SHE HAD was gender and Last name. If she didn''t have her gender and last name she would be a weak 2 term senator who held a weak intern like job at the white house for 8 years.

If you want to blame someone. BLAME THE LAME CAMPAIGN AND THE OVER RATED CANIDATE YOU CHOSE TO SUPPORT FOR IGNORANCE AND OVER CONFIDENCE.

[redlipsahead]

HILLARY OVER CLINTON, HILLARY BEATS MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER

IF THE FOOLS(SUPER-DELEGATES ENDORSE OBAMA AND HIS RACIST FRIENDS AND PASTORS, MCCAIN WINS IN NOVEMBER

THE QUESTION IS... WHODO YOU WANT FOR PRESIDENT?????

MCCAIN OR HILLARY CLINTON.

DEMOCRATS WANT HILLARY CLINTON AND THE VOTERS HAVE SHOWN THAT SINCE FEBRUARY.

[jedi080808]

---"One advantage to a wave of superdelegates moving to Obama early on Tuesday is that it would allow him to clinch the nomination with the pledged delegates awarded through voting in the evening as opposed to relying on the support of superdelegates, who are largely elected officials and party insiders. That would also allow Obama to deliver an unambiguous victory speech at St. Paul''''s Xcel Energy Center, where Republicans will hold their national convention in September."---

If the Supers want minimal slack for their endorsements, particularly those who are being pressured to commit rather than avoid the responsibility altogether, wouldn''''t the ideal time be right after polls close before the press projects Montana for Barack so that they''''re not Superdelegate number 2118? Better to have Hillary hate Montana than any one person, right?

Besides, if everybody''''s avoiding endorsements because there''''s personal consequences they want to avoid, doesn''''t that mean Barack''''s going to have a REALLY hard time reaching that number - ever - until late August? If Montana isn''''t number 2118, who else then is going to step up to the plate?



Posted by SamTheTVCat

HE WILL GET IT TONIGHT. ITS ALREADY SET UP

HE WILL GO OUT FOR A VICTORY SPEECH AND ANNOUNCE HE ALSO HAS GOTTEN THE SUPER DELEGATES HE NEEDS

[jedi080808]

HILLARY OVER CLINTON, HILLARY BEATS MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER

IF THE FOOLS(SUPER-DELEGATES ENDORSE OBAMA AND HIS RACIST FRIENDS AND PASTORS, MCCAIN WINS IN NOVEMBER

THE QUESTION IS... WHODO YOU WANT FOR PRESIDENT?????

MCCAIN OR HILLARY CLINTON.

DEMOCRATS WANT HILLARY CLINTON AND THE VOTERS HAVE SHOWN THAT SINCE FEBRUARY.

Posted by redlipsahead


NA..SHE ISN''T ELECTABLE NOW. IF SHE WAS TO WIN, IT WOULD TOTALLY LOOKED STOLEN NOW THE WAY THE MEDIA HAS PROCLAIMED OBAMA FOR A MONTH. SHE WOULDN''T GET A SINGLE BLACK VOTE OR OBAMA VOTER FOR THAT MATTER BECAUSE THE ELECTION WOULD THEN HAVE BEEN STOLEN

[jedi080808]

CHECK MATE!
CHECK MATE!

[samthetvcat]

--"HE WILL GO OUT FOR A VICTORY SPEECH AND ANNOUNCE HE ALSO HAS GOTTEN THE SUPER DELEGATES HE NEEDS"--
Posted by jedi080808

Jedi, I really hope so!

[jedi080808]

CHUCK TODD FOR MSNBC HAS PREDICTED EVERYTHING RIGHT FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS. HE IS SERIOUSLY A NUMBERS GENIUS. HE HAS INSIDER INFO THAT THERE ARE 30 OR SO SUPERS THAT WILL DECLARE AS SOON AS THE POLLS CLOSE IN BOTH STATES. SO DON''T WORRY, ITS A DONE DEAL.

YOU HERD IT HERE FIRST

[jedi080808]

IN FACT I THINK I REMEMBER YOU FROM MONTHS AGO. DIDN''T YOU USED TO BE FOR HILLARY

[jedi080808]

Part 3

Also, you had Bill out there saying stupid things all the time waving his fingure and taking the attention away from her. Making her look BAD. All these things are why she lost. Not her gender and not her last name, Thats ALL SHE HAD was gender and Last name. If she didn''''t have her gender and last name she would be a weak 2 term senator who held a weak intern like job at the white house for 8 years.

If you want to blame someone. BLAME THE LAME CAMPAIGN AND THE OVER RATED CANIDATE YOU CHOSE TO SUPPORT FOR IGNORANCE AND OVER CONFIDENCE.

Posted by jedi080808

[jedi080808]

part 2 continued


No other person could ever do this. The Treasure couldn''''t say, Well I was Treasure during Clinton''''s 8 years so I''''m just like him. He would of been laughed at, but for some reason everyone just excepted this to be fact. Not to mention she got to say she was against everything bad bill did like NAFTA. Got to have it both ways.
Anyways, it was never sexism, it was front runner status gets the most attention and negative press, by the right and then also by the media.

Look who got the worst press the last two months.... OBAMA did because he became the front runner. So stop fitting your profile and acting like a bunch of girls and blaming sexism for everything. Blame the fact that she didn''''t plan for caucus''''s, she didn''''t plan past super tuesday, she didn''''t use internet for fund raising until is was to late Hillaryclinton.com She sounds like a sorry car sales man every time she says it

Posted by jedi080808

[jedi080808]

pART 1

All you Hillary supporters need to consider this. You say this election was stolen from you or their was sexism and thats why she lost, well your just flat wrong.

On the first point, she ran a hard good race but lost just barley. She lost in delegates and in Popular vote, so the Supers are following the will of the people. Remember that Delegates are how we chose are nominee, not popular vote. This system was created so that the canidates wouldn''''t just campaign in the most populated states, they would have a reason to go to Iowa instead of just campaigning in New York and Cali.

Too the second point, Clinton is the one who had all the advantages. She started out with 200 super Delegates before she had even won a single vote. Why, because her last name was Clinton. She started out with a huge money lead, and didn''''t lose it until the genius idea and new way to raise money using his small donor internet plan over took her establishment money.

She also got to run basically Bill''''s third term. She claimed his 8 years of experience as hers
continued

[samthetvcat]

---"CHUCK TODD FOR MSNBC HAS PREDICTED EVERYTHING RIGHT FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS. HE IS SERIOUSLY A NUMBERS GENIUS. HE HAS INSIDER INFO THAT THERE ARE 30 OR SO SUPERS THAT WILL DECLARE AS SOON AS THE POLLS CLOSE IN BOTH STATES. SO DON''''T WORRY, ITS A DONE DEAL.

YOU HERD IT HERE FIRST"---
Posted by jedi080808

msnbc''s gotten cool the last while . . . their board''s not as fancy as CNN''s but yeah Chuck Todd''s analysis is way better . . .

Those supers though, gosh how many times have they said that before - grrr!

[voteforme1]

I must admit I''m somewhat sadden about seeing Hillary go down in defeat. Had it not been for Obama (my candidate) I would have voted for her. She''s a good person and still will play a key role in the general campaign.

This election is a first in so many ways. No matter who wins, it will be a history-making event (First African American president, first woman president or the oldest first term president). Someone had to lose, we all knew that but now that it''s here it''s somewhat sad.

Good luck Hillary, you are a great woman and you should be proud of how well you have done.

[rowdywicca]

Stay poised little Marxist...someday you might be a guest at the White House.

[obama8years]

WASHINGTON POST - US WINNING WAR ON TERRORISM, IRAQ.

If you were an Obama supporter you might just want to switch to Mccain. Washington Post says US is close to defeating the terrorist. You got to read it and you got to be proud of your country.

http://www.washingtonpost.co


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A better Economy than thought...sorry libs, this one comes straight from your liberal sources.

http://www.time.com/time/mag

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[omega39-2009]

ROFL! From David Brooks.

More fundamentally, McCain%u2019s problem is that his party is unfit to govern. As research from the Republican pollster David Winston has shown, any policy becomes less popular when people learn that Republicans are supporting it. If the G.O.P. sponsored the sunrise, voters would prefer gloom. Many Republicans are under the illusion that they are in trouble because they%u2019ve betrayed their core principles. The sad truth is that if they%u2019d been more conservative, they%u2019d be even further behind.

I%u2019ve spent the past few years trying to find conservative experts to provide remedies for middle-class economic anxiety. Let me tell you, the state of free-market thinking on this subject is pathetic. There are a few creative thinkers (most of them under 30), but for the most part, McCain is forced to run in an intellectual void.

Today, he is scheduled to give a forceful speech on why %u201Creform%u201D is better than %u201Cchange.%u201D He plans to describe how to remobilize government and address economic anxiety. But McCain%u2019s reform message is only being carried by him and a few bloggers. Obama can draw on a coherent body of economic work and 10,000 unified voices.

This election will be asymmetric. Obama has to come up with a personal narrative voters can relate to. McCain needs to come up with a one-sentence description for why he represents a clean break and a compelling future.

[hungryman9]

Nov 3, 2008 headlines
McCain Poised For Victory

Nov 5, 2008 headlines
McCain Wins In Landslide

[rowdywicca]

Yeah, the superdelegates might value their jobs if they go against the will of the people.

Hope Obama offers them some really good money...

[jedi080808]

Yeah, the superdelegates might value their jobs if they go against the will of the people.

Hope Obama offers them some really good money...

Posted by RowdyWicca

SEE THATS WHY YOUR WRONG. THE SUPER DELEGATES DON''T COUNT FL AND MI LIKE EVERY OTHER NEWS NETWORK AND LOGIC PERSON ON THE PLANET, EXCEPT CLINTON PEOPLE WHO COUNT TO STATES WHERE VOTERS WERE TOLD THEIR VOTES WOULDN''T COUNT, BUT DOESN''T COUNT ANY CAUCUS STATES, ALL THAT OBAMA WON

NO BODY BUYS YOUR MATH ROWDY... DEAL WITH IT, ITS OVER

[jedi080808]

Yeah, the superdelegates might value their jobs if they go against the will of the people.

Hope Obama offers them some really good money...

Posted by RowdyWicca

SEE THATS WHY YOUR WRONG. THE SUPER DELEGATES DON''T COUNT FL AND MI LIKE EVERY OTHER NEWS NETWORK AND LOGIC PERSON ON THE PLANET, EXCEPT CLINTON PEOPLE WHO COUNT TO STATES WHERE VOTERS WERE TOLD THEIR VOTES WOULDN''T COUNT, BUT DOESN''T COUNT ANY CAUCUS STATES, ALL THAT OBAMA WON

NO BODY BUYS YOUR MATH ROWDY... DEAL WITH IT, ITS OVER

[jedi080808]

YOUR CANIDATE ROWDY IS ABOUT TO PUT ALL HER ENERGY AND HEART BEHIND OBAMA. YOU WILL BETRAY HER ALSO WITH A VOTE FOR MCCAIN. THATS NOT WHAT SHE WANTS

[rowdywicca]

SEE THATS WHY YOUR WRONG. THE SUPER DELEGATES DON''''T COUNT FL AND MI LIKE EVERY OTHER NEWS NETWORK AND LOGIC PERSON ON THE PLANET, EXCEPT CLINTON PEOPLE WHO COUNT TO STATES WHERE VOTERS WERE TOLD THEIR VOTES WOULDN''''T COUNT, BUT DOESN''''T COUNT ANY CAUCUS STATES, ALL THAT OBAMA WON

NO BODY BUYS YOUR MATH ROWDY... DEAL WITH IT, ITS OVER


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Posted by jedi080808 at 09:14 AM : Jun 03, 2008

I did count the caucus state votes, and added them up. Hillary Clinton is still 460,020 votes ahead! LMAO!

Those caucuses didn''t even let people in the damned door! And they''re all red states who could barely scare up a democrat to caucus!

[rowdywicca]

Since when does 33,000 votes represent the whole damned state of Washington! Sounds like they''ve got a real democracy up there, doesn''t it?

[hungryman9]

YOUR CANIDATE ROWDY IS ABOUT TO PUT ALL HER ENERGY AND HEART BEHIND OBAMA. YOU WILL BETRAY HER ALSO WITH A VOTE FOR MCCAIN. THATS NOT WHAT SHE WANTS
Posted by jedi080808
******************************
Most of her backers will listen to her. They will vote for McCain. That hate Obama more than they like Hillary. I was for Hillary, but will not vote democrat even if Hillary is on the ticket. Also Florida will go Republican. We are throwing the DNC under the bus.

[rowdywicca]

What did the state of Washington do? Bar the damned doors?

[CBSTV]

I hope that Senator Clinton puts aside her ego and self-interests so that the real presidential campaign may now begin.

[CBSTV]

I hope that Senator Clinton puts aside her ego and self-interests so that the real presidential campaign may now begin.

[rowdywicca]

YOUR CANIDATE ROWDY IS ABOUT TO PUT ALL HER ENERGY AND HEART BEHIND OBAMA. YOU WILL BETRAY HER ALSO WITH A VOTE FOR MCCAIN. THATS NOT WHAT SHE WANTS


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Posted by jedi080808 at 09:16 AM : Jun 03, 2008

Nahhhhhhh, what she will do IF he gets the nomination is raise his at convention and congratulate him...and then she''ll take the break she deserves and let the republicans have at his ***!

And once they''ve done his *** in, then we might see a new Labor Party candidate!

[jedi080808]

Since when does 33,000 votes represent the whole damned state of Washington! Sounds like they''''ve got a real democracy up there, doesn''''t it?

Posted by RowdyWicca

SINCE WHEN DOES GIVING OBAMA 0 VOTES FOR MI CONSTITUTE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. THATS A JOKE. THAT IS ALSO WHY ITS NOT ABOUT POPULAR VOTE, ITS ABOUT DELEGATES, JUST ASK AL GORE.

IF YOU CHANGE THE RULES, THEN OBAMA WOULD OF HAD A DIFFERENT GAME PLAN. HE WON THE CONTEST AS THE RULES STATED. END OF STORY... IT WAS CLOSE, REALLY CLOSE BUT SOMEONE HAD TO LOSE.

[jedi080808]

Nahhhhhhh, what she will do IF he gets the nomination is raise his at convention and congratulate him...and then she''''ll take the break she deserves and let the republicans have at his ***!

And once they''''ve done his *** in, then we might see a new Labor Party candidate!

Posted by RowdyWicca

I HOPE SHE DOES DO THAT. THEN ON THE SLIM CHANCE HE DOES LOSE SHE WILL BE BLAMED FOR HIS LOSE AND WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER JOB IN POLITICS AGAIN.

SEE THATS THE PROBLEM WITH CLINTON AND HER SUPPORTERS, THEY ARE DUMB!

[rowdywicca]

SINCE WHEN DOES GIVING OBAMA 0 VOTES FOR MI CONSTITUTE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. THATS A JOKE. THAT IS ALSO WHY ITS NOT ABOUT POPULAR VOTE, ITS ABOUT DELEGATES, JUST ASK AL GORE.

IF YOU CHANGE THE RULES, THEN OBAMA WOULD OF HAD A DIFFERENT GAME PLAN. HE WON THE CONTEST AS THE RULES STATED. END OF STORY... IT WAS CLOSE, REALLY CLOSE BUT SOMEONE HAD TO LOSE.


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Posted by jedi080808 at 09:23 AM : Jun 03, 2008

Since he was dumb enough to WITHDRAW his name from the Michigan primary!

The dumba''s''s didn''t even know the DNC rules!

[rowdywicca]

I HOPE SHE DOES DO THAT. THEN ON THE SLIM CHANCE HE DOES LOSE SHE WILL BE BLAMED FOR HIS LOSE AND WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER JOB IN POLITICS AGAIN.

SEE THATS THE PROBLEM WITH CLINTON AND HER SUPPORTERS, THEY ARE DUMB!


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Posted by jedi080808 at 09:25 AM : Jun 03, 2008

Who''s going to blame her? A bunch of bigoted old goats??? Go ahead! Who cares!

Anybody with any sense knows it''s the majority that wins the general election. And Obama doesn''t have a ghost''s chance in hades of doing that.

[jedi080808]

Since he was dumb enough to WITHDRAW his name from the Michigan primary!

The dumba''''s''''s didn''''t even know the DNC rules!

Posted by RowdyWicca

YOUR RIGHT, THE PARTY TELLS YOU THAT THE CONTEST DOESN''T COUNT. SO YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY POPULAR VOTE AND DELEGATES FROM THAT STATE WONT BE SEATED, YOU DO IT FOR IOWA, TO GET MORE VOTE.

AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED, HILLARY WHO KEPT HER NAME ON THE BALLOT, TOOK THIRD TO EDWARDS AND OBAMA WHO HAD THEIR NAMES OFF.

THAT WIN SLING SHOT OBAMA INTO THE NOMINATION.

ONCE AGAIN, LOOK PEOPLE HOW STUPID CLINTON AND HER SUPPORTERS ARE. THEY STILL DON''T GET WHY THEY LOST

[jedi080808]

DON''T FORGET, THE MI VOTE WAS TAKEN BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO MOVE UP THEIR PRIMARY, WHICH EFFECTS IOWA

[trishab4]

CBS: I will lead in the popular vote and Senator Obama will lead in the delegate count. The voters will have voted, and so the decision will fall to the delegates empowered to vote at the Democratic convention. I will be spending the coming days making my case to those delegates."

- Isn''t that a b*tchy way of skkrewwing every attempt to conciliation????

[rowdywicca]

DON''''T FORGET, THE MI VOTE WAS TAKEN BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO MOVE UP THEIR PRIMARY, WHICH EFFECTS IOWA


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Posted by jedi080808 at 09:30 AM : Jun 03, 2008

Whatta bunch of hogwarsh! Who cares who votes first!

This is an election not a *** fashion show!

[crat3]

Obama will be clinching a stolen nomination with MI delegates he hijacked. The endorsements from superdelegates have no integrity and are irresponsible.

No doubt Obama will be celebrating defeat in November when he will crash and burn and the Democratic Party will be a train wreck.

I will work for his resounding defeat and vote for McCain in a swing state. Obama and the DNC must be "punished" for not playing fair and square.

Superdelegates have a responsibility to endorse Sen. Clinton as the best qualified and the strongest presidential candidate to defeat McCain and win the general election in a landslide victory hands down.

[hungryman9]

I HOPE SHE DOES DO THAT. THEN ON THE SLIM CHANCE HE DOES LOSE SHE WILL BE BLAMED FOR HIS LOSE AND WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER JOB IN POLITICS AGAIN.

SEE THATS THE PROBLEM WITH CLINTON AND HER SUPPORTERS, THEY ARE DUMB!
Posted by jedi080808
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That didn''t happen with Joe Liberman and many others that has changed parties. People would probably admire her more. The democrat party will die in the next few years.

[jedi080808]

I''''m still writing "Hillary Clinton" on the ballot in the general election, if not putting my X by her name. I''''ll bet a lot will do the same. Coupled with those voting for McCain, Obama is toast. Thank God the rules in the general make a bit more sense.

Posted by cryhavoc2

YOUR WRONG. 5 MONTHS IS A LONG TIME. MOST WILL GO OBAMA BY THEN, PLUS THE MEDIA IS IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA OVER MCCAIN BIG TIME. THEY WANT THE REP TO GO DOWN. PLUS BUSH IS HATED, CHENEY IS MAKING JOKES ABOUT WHOLE STAES AND IN BREADING. THE REPUBLICANS BRAND NAME IS TOAST AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED PAYING ATTENTION YET. MOST AREN''T AS DEDICATED TO THEIR PERSON AS MOST OF YOU. MOST ARE JUST LIKE,...OH I LIKE HILLARY I GUESS, BUT THEY WILL VOTE OBAMA IN BY THEN.

YOULL SEE

[jedi080808]

IF ALL CLINTON SUPPORTERS WERE AS TICKED AS YOU AND ROWDY, THEN OBAMA WOULD BE IN TROUBLE. BUT YOU TWO ARE TAKING IT TO THE INSANE EXTREME