Sizing Up A McCain-Obama Battle

CBSNews.com Reports: What To Expect In General Election Matchup Between Two Candidates Who Are Both Historic And Flawed

(CBS)  This story was written by CBSNews.com political reporter Brian Montopoli.

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Although the political world is still awaiting Hillary Clinton’s final exit from the stage, the long drama of who will represent the major parties in November's presidential contest finally - mercifully, some might say - drew to a close Tuesday night. (Full story here.) For the next five months, barring the extremely unexpected, Barack Obama and John McCain will square off day-by-day in one of the most historic elections in modern history.

And on Tuesday night, both candidates offered a glimpse of their opening arguments. “In just a few years in office, Senator Obama has accumulated the most liberal voting record in the Senate,” McCain said in a speech delivered before Obama had the chance to claim victory. “But the old, tired, big government policies he seeks to dust off and call new won't work in a world that has changed dramatically since they were last tried and failed. That's not change we can believe in.”

“It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush ninety-five percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year,” Obama countered in his victory speech. “It's not change when he offers four more years of Bush economic policies that have failed to create well-paying jobs, or insure our workers, or help Americans afford the skyrocketing cost of college - policies that have lowered the real incomes of the average American family, widened the gap between Wall Street and Main Street, and left our children with a mountain of debt.”

Let the general election campaign begin.

In broad terms, Democrats have reason to be optimistic: The electoral landscape is presently more favorable to a Democratic nominee than at any time in recent memory. As he nears the end of his second term, President Bush's approval rating is below 30 percent, and, more broadly, Americans have signaled widespread dissatisfaction with the Republican Party. Already this year, Democrats have won three House seats in districts considered GOP strongholds in special elections, prompting anguished appeals from GOP leaders imploring their members to find a new direction - or else.

Also working in the Democrats' favor: A large majority of Americans have become pessimistic about an economy long overseen by a Republican president. The Iraq war has also become a political liability for the GOP, with nearly six in ten Americans telling CBS News the U.S. should have stayed out of the country.

Democrats, meanwhile, have repeatedly seen record turnout during the primaries. Their candidates have enjoyed unprecedented fundraising success, and Obama is poised to become the first candidate to turn down public financing in the general election.

In addition, "the balance of party identification in the American electorate now favors the Democratic Party by a decidedly larger margin than in either of the two previous presidential election cycles," according to the Pew Research Center.

"Every structural feature on the political landscape tilts in favor of the Democratic nominee," according to William Galston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and former advisor to Bill Clinton.

"There's not a lot of precedent for someone from the same party as the incumbent running successfully in circumstances that are perceived to be as bad economically as the electorate perceives the situation to be right now," Galston said. "And running in the face of a deeply unpopular war, especially when the nominee of the incumbent party is unwilling to end the war. When you add to that the extraordinary drop in GOP identification, the surge in Democratic registration, the palpable enthusiasm gap, the fundraising gap, you put all these things together, you have to think the McCain candidacy will be an uphill climb."

Democrats will work throughout the campaign to define McCain as a true representative of his party, said Democratic strategist Mark Mellman.

"You're going to be seeing Democrats argue that McCain represents four more years of George Bush, both in Iraq and here at home," said Mellman. "Barack Obama is going to offer change, and John McCain offers more of the same failed Bush policy."

But that argument is perhaps harder to make against McCain than other Republicans, thanks to the Arizona senator's public image as a maverick willing to break with his party. McCain is "the one candidate who can win in this climate," said Republican pollster Whit Ayres, echoing the general consensus of strategists in both parties. "He's a different kind of Republican in an era that is looking for a different kind of Republican."

Veteran Republican strategist Tucker Eskew, a former aide to Mr. Bush, said Republicans have reason to be "cautiously optimistic" about McCain's chances despite the electoral landscape. He cites Obama's perceived lack of experience and the strength of McCain's brand as an independent thinker, established through his past breaks with his party on issues like taxes and campaign finance reform.

"The brand is stronger than wishful-thinking Democrats believe it is," said Eskew. "I actually detect a strain of excess optimism by some Democrats about this question. If Senator Obama is not careful, this 'third Bush term' thing is going to be just beaten into the ground and start to sound ridiculous, and that's a function of Senator McCain's brand being as strong as it is."

University of New Hampshire political analyst Dante Scala notes that the electoral landscape didn't look particularly good for Mr. Bush in 2004, but he was still able to defeat Democratic nominee John Kerry.

"The Republicans managed to make the election more about Kerry, and to raise significant doubts about him," said Scala. "That's the hope this time. Obama is going to have to overcome the doubts that have arisen about him in the past few months."

The campaigns, Galston said, will generally not be focused on pushing their candidate towards to center of the political spectrum. Instead, he said, "each will be trying to shove the other candidate out of the center." For Republicans, that means portraying Obama as a naive liberal whose rhetoric contradicts the reality of his record.

"Senator Obama's experience, as limited as it is, cuts against one of his proclaimed core values - unconventional thinking and a willingness to cross the partisan divide," said Eskew. "He has a record that is conventionally liberal, and shallow on any example of cross-partisan accomplishments, where McCain is really quite strong."

Ayers articulated the other charge that will likely be repeatedly leveled at Obama in the general election battle - that he is an out-of-touch elitist, a change also leveled at Kerry four years ago. It's a perception stoked by Obama's comments at a closed-door San Francisco fundraiser about small town voters who cling to guns and religion.

"Obama has horrible problems with blue collar voters right now," he said. "...and a big part of it is cultural. He has come across in recent weeks as a candidate who feels more comfortable at Berkeley or Harvard than he does anywhere in between. A lot of blue collars voters just don't see him as as patriotic as they are. They don't believe he loves America as much as they do. They want their president to be their country's #1 cheerleader, and they don't see Obama as that guy."

McCain, meanwhile, has to position himself as a change candidate despite a long tenure in Washington that has led some pundits to compare his bid to the failed 1996 candidacy of Bob Dole. He will also have to allay fears about his age: McCain will be 72 on inauguration day, which would make him the oldest incoming president in history. Though Democrats have vowed not to spotlight the age issue, Democratic political consultant Garry South suggested they won't have to.

"It will be obvious to people," said South. "All he needs is 2 or 3 senior moments and no one has to talk about age." In 1996, Dole famously fell from a stage during a California campaign rally, prompting late-night jokes about the frailty of the then 73-year-old Republican nominee.

McCain will also need to walk a delicate line as he tries to win over the independents whom both candidates view as key to the election, while also placating the Republican base that helped Mr. Bush to victory in the last two elections - and that remains skeptical about McCain as the GOP standard bearer. As South points out, McCain has been losing up to 30 percent of the primary vote in recent primaries, despite having long since effectively locked up the nomination.

"He has a huge base problem," said South. "They just aren't satisfied with him."

Democrats, Galston said, will seek to define McCain as far from the moderate that independent voters think him to be, spotlighting issues like McCain's pro-life position on abortion.

"The basic strategic imperative of the Obama campaign is to do whatever they can against McCain's effort to separate himself from the Bush administration," said Galston. "They have to say McCain is campaigning as a maverick and a moderate, but on the issues you care about most - the economy, war, health care - he is, if anything, more conservative than Bush. So don't be fooled by shows of moderation on second and third tier issues. On first tier issues, he is Bush on steroids."

Obama, in his effort to win over independents, will spotlight his biography and downplay his association with his controversial former reverend, Jeremiah Wright, whom he publicly broke with in a speech last month. His campaign will also look to build on its robust state-by-state voter registration and mobilization efforts that it created for the primary battle, drafting young and new voters that could help offset any weakness Obama has with the blue-collar voters who flocked to Clinton in the latter part of the Democratic primary campaign.

Both candidates will seek the upper hand on the economy - an area where neither candidate is perceived to be an expert - and national security. McCain, like Clinton, has cast Obama as naive and reckless when it comes to foreign policy, criticizing the Illinois senator for his stated willingness to meet with leaders of rogue countries without preconditions and for comments that McCain says signal that Obama does not take the threat of Iran sufficiently seriously. Obama has countered that McCain "wants to double down" on Bush's "failed policy" and argued that "tough, disciplined and direct diplomacy" is the essence of strong presidential leadership.

Thanks to his relative moderation on immigration issues, McCain is better positioned than many of his Republican primary rivals to win over the Latino voters that could be the key to winning states like Nevada and New Mexico. It's a group Obama has struggled to win over during the primary campaign, and he will look to key supporters like New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, a former rival for the nomination who has endorsed Obama, to mobilize their support. Obama may also benefit from the traditional strength of the Democratic Party brand among Latino voters.

South, the Democratic consultant, suggested that Obama could outspend McCain two- or three-to-one in the general election campaign, arguing that the Chicago senator has the potential to raise $500 million. Though the fundraising gap is a major concern for Republicans, the Republican National Committee and other groups are prepping unprecedented efforts on McCain's behalf.

"Barack Obama is going to see a barrage of ads that dwarfs dramatically the swift boat attacks against Kerry," said Democratic consultant Steve Jarding.

Unlike the Democratic primary campaign, which often seemed a battle of competing styles in the absence of any significant policy differences between the candidates, the general election campaign will feature candidates with substantive differences on matters like the war, the economy, and health care. Whether the election is a referendum on these matters or on the candidates themselves remains anyone's guess.

"I've thought all along that Obama is kind of a high risk/high reward candidate," said Scala. "This could be an election that isn't close either way."

[zorar-2009]

No Brainer...They have to much time on their hands and access to the net!


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Posted by zorar at 11:07 AM : Jun 04, 2008

Yet ironically(or not) these forums are constantly filled with 99% liberal atheists. Who has too much time on their hands and access to the net again?

:)

1.How do you compile your stats?
2. Who is real, a comic, a knuckle head, a phsyco, an actor,egomaniac, etc..?
3. We''''re all Bozos on this Bus (or Train or Space ship Earth)..with the next stop being Willoughby!

[shutupnvote]

To me it indicates he''s weaker than people would hope," said Harwood McClerking, a political scientist at Ohio State University. "I was surprised that he''s been regularly losing over the last month-and-a-half when people had given him the election."
Johnson said the fact that Obama has not closed with a string of victories is not, by itself, cause for worry. He noted that Jimmy Carter lost primaries at the end of the 1976 nomination race but still won the general election, and Ronald Reagan four years later lost late primaries in Pennsylvania and Michigan but beat Carter in the fall.
The real concern, Johnson said, is the story behind Obama''s recent losses: his lackluster showing among white, blue-collar voters, who are key voting blocs in states such as Michigan and Pennsylvania that Democrats have always had to win.


from bostonglobe...

[old300d]

Democrats for McCain ! ! ! Time to unite ! ! !

McCain is the best Democrat running ! ! !

[unclawdog]

I''m so looking forward to the end of a saga characterized by WMD lies, legalized torture, secret prisons, warrantless wiretaps, more White House corruption then at any time in U.S. history, record gas prices, record oil profits, tens of thousands of dead and maimed Americans and Iraqis, the outting of a covert CIA agent for political revenge, substandard treatment at Walter Reed, the Katrina debacle, three trillion dollars added to the national debt and competent attorneys being replaced by Bush cronies in our justice system.

[gkc99]

Let''s see some more hugs and soul kisses between George Bushit and John McBushit!

McCain turned from an independent into an a$$-kisser in a few short months. A quick shuttle to kiss Jerry Falwell''s ring, some kissy-face with Bushit--it''s pretty clear that the shine is off the apple with McBushit.

The American Taliban won''t turn out for him, either.

It''s clobberin'' time! Go Obama!

[old300d]

Hi unclawdog ,

Me too ! ! !

Democrats for MCCain ! ! !

I truely believe he will change things for the better ! ! !

[stevex47]

I think if Hillary is the VP, the McSame''s only hope is to have Cheney as VP.....hahahahah.

[riptide213]

A 2008 Obama Clinton ticket is a poisoned chalice partnership.

Now Presidential candidate Obama must reveal how hope and change can be actualized, one issue at a time. We have heard the talk, its time to walk the walk.

Senator Obama DO NOT do it.

DNC, voters, and you as ultimate winning party nominee owe this defacto former candidate absolutely anything.

The political game has been played and there can only be ONE Democratic candidate.

Not the one who won and a hanger on ulcerating appendage.

Avoid this Vice President selection like the plague. After any honeymoon, the four year joint venture would be a national I told you so political family feud disaster.

Senator Obama, you have come so far on the tidal wave of hope and change enthusiasm you alone generated.

Do not fall in to the old political trap or game of being obligated or hoodwinked into a forced VP nominee to appease anyone. Stand by your own winning ethos of change.

Do not get conquest tunnel vision and select this VP option it will undermine all ardent effort exerted to convince America that you are more than all talk about change.

Its your call, however this is the first bona fide test of you to be true to your words and offer us something different with your deeds. VP choice is your first best impression to be a worthy change agent. Actions speak louder than words.

Prove your critics wrong. Do not disappoint your loyal supporters.

[perceptions5]

All Americans should expect Obama''s "enablers" to continue to do all they can to promote and prop up their boy, Obama.

The "axis of elite liberal mis-information"

1. mostly eltite liberal MSM wolfpack press (NBC/MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NYTimes, Washington Post, Time, and Newsweek, to name a few of the "alpha" members of the pack)

2. elite liberal Hollywood (Oprah)

3. intolerant liberal college professors (and their contaminated students, our kids)

These three groups are the "primary" reason why Obama is where he is.........propaganda does work.

Ask Hillary Clinton who was treated like a "Republican" during the primaries, she was "trashed" by this axis of liberal progaganda....................................really sad indeed.

[stevex47]

All McBush has to do is kiss the hands and feet of the Muslims like his clone W, and all will be good.

[antoniof123]

This is it for the neo con party they had there chance to change direction now they are only show.

We warned you idiots in 2006 that was the begining but instead of listening to your master the America majority you told us you were the deciders.

Well, have you decided how you will spend you last few months in office. Like the perfect storm to end you neo cons who destroyed the GOP. Have a nice day.

[unclawdog]

old300d -

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion when McCain voted alongside GWB 96% percent of the time over the last two years. He''s a admirable man with a wonderful service record, but he has unforunately tethered himself to the unsuccessful war and economic policies of our current administration. As a fellow democrat, i ask that you take a longer look our our one viable hope for change - Obama.

[gopsoccermom]

I am voting for McCain and will happily do so without thinking.

[condumbism]

Vietnam Civil War mercenary John McCain is a bitter, bitter man. He wants to restart the cold war because of what the communists dod to him during his captivity in Vietnam. No matter what people say about Obama, he is hundreds times better than the criminally insane John McInsane.

[credibility2]

McCain''s people need to get him some coaching in delivering speeches. Unfortunately, too many of the young are easily swayed by how a speech is delivered and don''t want to be bothered with having to grasp and understand intent, substance and content, as in the case of Obama. Obama is a phenomenal performer and great at delivering speeches, despite the fact that his is a DC pol. McCain will have to be able to improve his oratory skills. He doesn''t necessarily have to be as rousing as his apparent opponent, but what he presented last evening could''ve been more engaging; he seemed uncomfortable, although his message was on-point. Sadly, we''re in the electronic age and there are those who will use these sorts of things as their primarily criteria for voting, much the same like voting for a contestant on American Idol.

[wiselady01]

This country is really in bad shape. I am proud of America for nominating Obama. I think he will bring the change that is badly need in USA. The old politics of lies, cheating and stealing is OVER. A new sheriff is in town name: Obama. Change is what this country needs NOW before we destroy ourselves.

[lovegetpeace]

I am voting for Obama using my high IQ intelligence thinking unlike Americans who voted twice for Bush.

[condumbism]

Posted by gopsoccermom
I am voting for McCain and will happily do so without thinking.

What else is new, Southerner. YOu and your kind have never thought about why you vote Republicon except that it is inbred into your culture of obesity.

[lovegetpeace]

I am voting for Obama using my thinking unlike Americans at this forum who "happily" voted twice for more Bush "...without thinking."

[zorar-2009]

The Question is if you were running a small Business struggling with the economy trying to be successful..
Would you have this old guy living still in the Nam era & mindset ...consulting putting forth 21st century creative ideas for Business & your life to grow to!

"MY FRIENDS" is you were selling Tanks & Guns he''d be a great asset!

Tell me more about McBush again!

[extremophil]

All beware of the media. They will line up in droves now just to kiss Obama''s @ss.

[condumbism]

Lets turm John McInsane YouTube problem into a nighmare that the Republicons will never overcome.

http://therealmccain.com/

John McCain is caught saluting the Confederate Flag!

[zorar-2009]

The Question is if you were running a small Business struggling with the economy trying to be successful..
Would you have this old guy living still in the Nam era & mindset ...consulting putting forth 21st century creative ideas for Business & your life to grow to!

"MY FRIENDS" if you were in the business of selling Tanks & Guns he''''d be a great asset!

Tell me more about McBush again!

[stevex47]

fenner,
"maybe too much post-college cocaine?"

Not a chance. Boosh, and Rush did way more drugs than obama, and look where it got them. Dont forget W''s DWI''s.

[rayuk-2009]

With Hillary as a running mate, Obama will have an easy victory in November. As VP, Hillary would be a strong assest in getting important bills passed. However, my preference is to let Obama choose someone other than Hillary. The idea is to see first hand if Obama can perform on his own when it counts.
Does Obama bring anything to the table other than smooth talk? I think we should find out quickly.

[whitepicks2]

I wonder how long it takes until McCain has a purple-faced outburst like Bubba.

You know he''s gotta be close, folks.

[hbevis]

THIS IS A HISTORIC EVENT INDEED. EVERYBODY IS SAYING THAT OBAMA IS THE MAN,BUT WHEN DID CLINTON SAY SHE WAS QUITTING? OBAMA IS JUST TO LIBERAL AND I DON''T THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WILL VOTE FOR HIM IN NOVEMBER. HE IS BACKED BY THE POLITICAL MACHINE IN
CHICAGO, AND THAT MACHINE HAS ALWAYS BEEN CROOKED.

AND HIM DOING TO LITTLE TO LATE WITH HIS CHURCH. WHO IS HE FOOLING? IF HE WAS CONCERNED HE SHOULD HAVE QUIT AS SOON AS IT CAME OUT ABOUT WHAT THE PREACHER WAS AND HAD SAID ABOUT OUR COUNTRY.

BUSH SURE NEEDS TO BE GONE, AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN GONE AFTER THE FIRST TERM, BUT LOOK WHAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE. HOW IN THE H*** ARE WE TO PROCEED WHEN WE STEP BACK AND TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS?

LOOK, LOOK, LOOK AND LOOK AGAIN AT THE MESS WE ARE IN.
FUEL OUT THE TOP AND NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING?! WHY?
WHY ARE WE NOT DRILLING FOR OUR OWN OIL? NO?? BECAUSE WE ARE LETTING A BUNCH OF ENVIRONMENTALIST TELL US WHAT TO DO. THEY SAID THAT THE ALASKA PIPE LINE WOULD DO EVER SO MUCH DAMAGE? AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.

[zorar-2009]

I am voting for Obama using my high IQ intelligence thinking unlike Americans who voted twice for Bush.


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Posted by lovegetpeace

What is your IQ?..What does IQ stand for?
and your cheating if you google IQ.

[gkc99]

The truly unknown, shadowy, suspicious figure in the ''08 election:

CINDY MCCAIN!

This woman owns John McCain, pays his bills, pushes him ahead.

But nobody knows anything about her interests, financial and otherwise.

What is Cindy''s agenda?

What will Cindy put John up to?

How can John stand up to Cindy when she pays all the bills?

One thing: I guess John won''t be increasing taxes on the beer industry--Budweiser anyway.

And, Budweiser sucks. Like the Australians say, Bud''s like s*e*x in a canoe--f*cking close to water, mate!

[lovegetpeace]

Hey fenner,
Having experienced what our VP D. Cheney and former Defense Secretary Rumfield''s experiences have done to America, Experience is nolonger my criteria for a president.

Now, I am convinced that America needs more presidents like Robert Kennedy without experience.

[whitepicks2]

TAKE THE LITTLE INCIDENT OF NOT PUTTING A PLAN IN PLACE ON HOW TO HANDLE YOU OWN MIDDLE NAME....
-- Posted by fenner at 12:29 PM : Jun 04, 2008

Luckily not everyone scares as easily as you repubs.

[blackmilitan]

WHEN I READ THESE POST, IM AMAZED AT HOW BITTER WHITE FOLKS CAN ACTUALLY BE. IM WAITING ON YOU FOLKS TO RUN FOR YOUR GUNS LMAO. BITTER AS HELL. GO GET A DOUSH, A COLON CLEANSING AND A BAPTISM SOME OF YOU FOLKS ACT LIKE YOU ARE AGENTS OF SATAN. LMAO ITS A DAYUM ELECTION ITS NOT YOUR SORRY MISERABLE INDIVIDUAL LIFE. THATS FOR YOU TO FIX, NOT OBAMA, MCCAIN OR CLINTON. LMAO

[lovegetpeace]

Hey hbevis,
Please try something else than ''Liberals'' because it did not work in the 3 straight special elections that Republican recently lost in Republican Stronghold.

The label ''Liberals'' is Cheap, Old and Boring to say and write.

Please use your God given intelligence.

[zorar-2009]

in our church we are taught that when we have serious problems to seek out the Elders whose been there in the old times and lived through the present times.

WORKS PERFECT. ... THEY ARE NEVER WRONG!


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Posted by fenner

Is the name of one of your church elders "Popeye"?

[lovegetpeace]

Hey hbevis,
Please try something else than ''Liberals'' because it did not work in the 3 straight special elections that Republican recently lost in Republican Strongholds.

The label ''Liberals'' is Cheap, Old and Boring to say and write.

Please use your God given intelligence. Be Creative!

[zorar-2009]

The truly unknown, shadowy, suspicious figure in the ''''08 election:

CINDY MCCAIN!

This woman owns John McCain, pays his bills, pushes him ahead.

But nobody knows anything about her interests, financial and otherwise.

What is Cindy''''s agenda?

What will Cindy put John up to?

How can John stand up to Cindy when she pays all the bills?

One thing: I guess John won''''t be increasing taxes on the beer industry--Budweiser anyway.

And, Budweiser sucks. Like the Australians say, Bud''''s like s*e*x in a canoe--f*cking close to water, mate!

Plastic Surgery..new Clothes & shoes!

[lovegetpeace]

Hey fenner,
Having experienced what our VP D. Cheney and former Defense Secretary Rumfield''s experiences have done to America, Experience is nolonger my criteria for a president.

Now, I am convinced that America needs more presidents like Robert Kennedy without experience. Somehow, presidents with experiences are contaminated and cause Cancer to America.

[brianp55]

I watched McCain''s speech in New Orleans last night. He''s going to lose.

[zorar-2009]

Is the name of one of your church elders "Popeye"?


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no. you see our church is not like YOUR CHURCH.




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Posted by FENNER

Where do I sign up? Do you have free koolaid?

[condumbism]

The jinGOPigs have chosen their candidate John McInsane, yet another Confederate flag waving Southerner (and closet Neocon). Americans will never put another Confederate flag waving Neocon in the White House in any of our lifetimes.

[hbevis]

Hey hbevis,
Please try something else than ''''Liberals'''' because it did not work in the 3 straight special elections that Republican recently lost in Republican Stronghold.

The label ''''Liberals'''' is Cheap, Old and Boring to say and write.

Please use your God given intelligence.

Posted by lovegetpeace at 12:35 PM : Jun 04, 200

Well you can place any name on it that you want. The fact is that we are in a terrible mess and no one..no one has any answers to the problem. I hear McCain, Clinton, and Obama talking and all they want is to get into office...

[lovegetpeace]

Amimgo fenner,
I hope McBush, ooops sorry, McCain glues himself around the idea of experience.

I am now convinced that the average American is not that idiot. Experience will not work.

[condumbism]

Posted by brianp55
I watched McCains speech in New Orleans last night. Hes going to lose.

McCain is a bumbling idiot, same as GW Bush. Heres more from the insane John McBush:

http://therealmccain.com/

The GOP is gonna lose everything this November.

[lovegetpeace]

Hey hbevis,
Here is my answer" ''United we all win'' and ''Divided we all lose''. Americans must 1st be willing to give up half of their ideas. Government is only a reflection/Rear-View mirror of WE THE PEOPLE.

Which idea(s) are you willing to compromise on?

[condumbism]

Posted by brianp55
I watched McCains speech in New Orleans last night. Hes going to lose.

McCain is a bumbling idiot, same as GW Bush. Besides, hes a closet Neocon and a Confederate Flag saluting traitor. Heres more from the insane John McBush:

http://therealmccain.com/

The GOP is gonna lose everything this November.

[lovegetpeace]

Hey BajaJohn1,
"... If we go back to those unreasonable liberal policies we will be in a deeper economic mess."

Cheap, old and boring. Do you have any better ideas?

[harrydoghiny]

"There''''s no republican that wants to go to war.

Posted by cockapoo6"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!....C''mon, stop it....really...we can''t breathe...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[hbevis]

Hey hbevis,
Here is my answer" ''''United we all win'''' and ''''Divided we all lose''''. Americans must 1st be willing to give up half of their ideas. Government is only a reflection/Rear-View mirror of WE THE PEOPLE.

Which idea(s) are you willing to compromise on?

Posted by lovegetpeace at 12:54 PM : Jun 04, 2008

I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY 110 PERCENT. IT''S JUST WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING. LOOK AT WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY ARE DOING. EVERYONE HAS THEIR HEAD UNDER A ROCK. EVERYONE WANTS TO DO THEIR OWN THING. WHATEVER IN THE HE** THAT IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN. THE COUNTRY IS IN A STATE OF APATHY..

[north1pole]

Hey, A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words:
www.poconocommunitynews.com

[zorar-2009]

The real question is where Obama or McSame stand on heath care so something like below doesn''t happen:

"surgeons in Japan thought they were removing a tumor from a 49-year-old man who was suffering from abdominal pain.

Instead, they found a 25-year-old surgical towel inside of him that had crumpled into what looked like a softball-shaped tumor, Agence France-Presse reports.

The patient had apparently been carrying the cloth since 1983, when surgeons left it in him after minor ulcer surgery.

The went to Asahi General Hospital in late May after suffering pain. Doctors, at the time, found what was believed to be an eight-centimeter tumor.

"The towel was greenish blue although we are not sure about its original color," the Asahi General Hospital spokesman said.