June 3, 2008

Where Will Sen. Clinton's Supporters Turn?

Katie Couric Speaks With Seven Clinton Supporters About The Campaign

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    As Katie Couric speaks to a group of Pennsylvania Hillary Clinton supporters, Sandra Miller speaks.  (CBS)

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(CBS)  As Hillary Clinton inches closer to pulling out the race, Barack Obama must win over her supporters - many of them women. In the Democratic primaries so far, CBS News exit polls showed that Clinton won more than half of the female vote.

Women voters helped propel her to a big win in Pennsylvania. CBS News anchor Katie Couric asked seven Clinton supporters from that battleground state how they feel about the campaign, and what they're thinking now. What follows is a partial transcript of the conversation.




Sandra Miller, former county commissioner: I think from the very beginning she’s been mistreated. I know - I watched a lot of interviews and so forth where Sen. Clinton was referred to as "Mrs. Clinton" whereas Sen. Obama was "Sen. Obama."

Meredith Ciambrello, teacher: It bothers me to think with the kind of coverage that we've had, that we’re speaking of, that it's influencing the voters. And when I talk to young men or other young women and they say, "I hate Hillary" and just the venom that comes out of them. And I wonder where is that coming from.

Kathleen O'Dell, sales manager: I think we have a little different standard with sexism than we do with, say, racism. I mean there have been people who go to their rallies and stand up - the guy who stood up and said, "hey, iron my shirt.” Now consider that if somebody had showed up at an Obama campaign and had a banner saying something about his race or about somebody's religion, we’d be up in arms. Everybody would be like, "how disgusting."

Katie Couric: What do you wish she had done differently?

O'Dell: First of all, I think she underestimated Obama tremendously, the mood of the country. She picked people who were very loyal to her, who weren’t maybe as savvy at running caucus states. The Internet. I think she got killed on the Internet.

Couric: Some people have said that, if she couldn’t run a better campaign, if she couldn’t surround herself with better people ... during the process, what does that portend for her ability to run the country?

Debbie Pellen, stay-at-home mother: I think it’s a fair comment but some of the people he seems to be surrounding himself with I think they are great PR people but I don’t think that’s a good indication of how they’re going to be with policy.

O'Dell: I hate to say it. How these campaigns are run I think does give you a pretty good idea of how they’re going to be in the White House.

Couric: If Hillary Clinton gets out of the race, what then?

Jennifer Miller, art instructor: I’ll vote for Barack Obama if Hillary doesn’t get in.

Doreen Ruffe, stay-at-home mom: I am thinking that but I would have to see what happens between now and November.

Daphne Mroz, executive assistant: I will definitely vote for another Democrat in the office.

O'Dell: Right now, I’m staying home. I don’t want to be taken for granted. I can’t hope that we change.

Pellen: I will definitely vote for Obama, but I don’t want her to get out. I respect the fact that she’s in and she’s fighting and, you know what, people have said, "get out, get out," and, you know what, it even makes her stronger that she’s not going to roll over. I mean, this is who I want fighting for me.

Couric: What about your husband, Debbie?

Pellen: My husband will look at it and say, "but we’re at wa,r Deb." And you know what? This person is untested. At least somebody has a record. He has a record versus no record.

Couric: And your husband is a Democrat?

Pellen: Democrat, registered Democrat.

Couric: Do you know any Hillary Clinton supporters who would be so angry about the outcome, and about the way she’s been treated that they would opt to vote for John McCain, almost as a protest?

Sandra Miller: Absolutely. That anger is just building and building. They have expressed to me that if she is not the candidate they will vote for McCain, just to vent that anger. Will they say that publicly? Probably not.

Couric: What has Hillary Clinton’s candidacy taught you?

Jennifer Miller: We still have a long ways to go when it comes to sexism and we will have a female president in the near future.

Sandra Miller: I would disagree that we’re going to have another female candidate - or a female president - in the near future if Sen. Clinton is not successful.

Mroz: If she does not win this time, I don’t know when - at least it won’t happen in my lifetime - when there would be any other candidate as well-qualified.

Ruffe: In terms of the sexism, I try to stay away from that. I try to teach my three kids you can do anything you want. And my oldest wanted to be president when she was six. I keep saying you can.

O'Dell: I think we have come really far. I mean, we are this close. And if it wasn’t for this other really great story, she would be the nominee.

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by nanzit June 3, 2008 7:03 PM PDT
How would this race go if Obama was a female also? I know the answer, what''s yours?
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by cliffandlucy June 3, 2008 7:10 PM PDT
I had a difficult time choosing between Hillary and Barack when I voted. I chose Hillary. But, there is no way on God''s green earth that I would switch to McCain. I don''t really understand why or how being a prisoner of war merits such media attention and the insinuation that this somehow makes him more qualified to end the war in Iraq or any of the other international messes that the Bush administration has gotten us into. In my opinion McCain is a mediocre candidate who won the Republican candidacy only because he was the least bad candidate. It really doesn''t bother me that he is old. He just doesn''t have anything to offer that doesn''t sound like the same old *** that we''ve been fed for the last eight years.
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by fralene-2009 June 3, 2008 7:15 PM PDT
"Go with Obama and start the country swirling down the porcelain bowl."
Idiot. The country started circling the drain in 2000. Obama will be a huge improvement.
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by jaitrista June 3, 2008 7:29 PM PDT
This was a good topic, however it was done with very poor judgement and consideration to diversity. Why were all white females on the panel?
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by freshbrains June 3, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
These WARS have cut into the middle class budget not like the lower classes that do most of the actual fighting and become heroes and heroines they deserve better Veteran benefits. McCain by a landslide because anger trumps logic, every time.
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by zavatchen June 3, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
I will be voting for Senator Hillary Clinton in November. If she is not the Democratic nominee then I will be writing in her name. For me it is about the Democratic Party leadership and how they have, by their silence, condoned the ''sexism'' and disrespect directed at all women in this process. I cannot support a candidate or a party that has played a part by their silence. I cannot be on the same side as Randi Rhodes, liberal host on Air America, who called both Senator Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro ******.
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by brittanicus-2009 June 3, 2008 7:40 PM PDT
As he expressed in a speech Senator Obama would sign into law a new AMNESTY. We as the American people must realize it''s our last chance to demand the Democrats endorse the Federal SAVE ACT (H.R. 4088) Leading Democrats are using threats of estrangement from campaign contributions, against any of party members who co-author the law. This enforcement bill would no longer allow parasite employers, to escape prison. Be aware hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens are fleeing states that have enacted their own legislation. The SAVE ACT is the iron gauntlet, that encompasses all state law, and guarantees extra funding to (ICE)
The exodus proves these laws are working? A federal law clarifies that illegal families will leave this nation of their own accord. America cannot afford Barack Obama, Mrs Clinton or John McCain passing another AMNESTY. If passed millions more will try to cross our border.
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by teacher551 June 3, 2008 7:46 PM PDT
The female Hillary supporters can''t understand why Hillary was treated so badly? They see sexism as the blame. Believe me, if Obama had asked for Florida and Michigan instead of Hillary, I bet the response would have been a resounding NO! If Obama had said he was under military fire when he wasn''t, an excuse of being tired and forgetting would never cut it. Hillary supporters say Obama has no experience, well Hillary was just the 1st lady, what experience was that in the political arena? Being female is hard, but being Black is harder. I think Obama has run a good race, without being a liar. His only fault was going to the wrong church. Finally, I liked Bill, but I don''t want him back in the White House!
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by urrly52 June 3, 2008 8:06 PM PDT
I am voting for McCain. Obama is a great politician but the party in wrong to think that an untested speaker can change anything. The lobbyist are controlled by the corporate CEO''s. There not going anywhere The politics are entrenched and will only change over a long period of time with the hard work of someone who has been tested at working from within and stealthy. No frontal assaults will work at anything but pissing off the system you want to change. Remember Carter! It is the leadership of the Dem. party that needs to change. No party has the right to take away a voters right. The Mich/Fl exposed there total imcompetence. The Republican party handled the issue much better. When they screwed up the votes for Mich/Fl. they gave Obama an unfair advantage not recognizing the momentun Sen. Clinton should of been rewarded. Obama was against any settlement and now when they can''t count for Hillary he wants to seat the entire delegation. When the party changes leadership I''ll change back. Changing to someone just as bad is not my idea of progress. The intellegent decision is not to be a lemming but to vote for the most qualified. Maybe in four years when these morons are replaced and exposed for there incompetence the Dems will be ready to create a dynasty. It has been bad for eight years but I can wait four more years if we can get it right. The problem with both Party''s is they are filled by Lemmings. Urrly52
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by emperorlotku June 3, 2008 8:09 PM PDT
The reason Hillary lost the nomination is she doesn''t pass the sniff test for honesty and trustworthiness. Obama actually has tried to run an above board campaign while Hillary ran the same old tired slash and burn tactics that the country is no longer willing to accept. What the upset supporters of HRC don''t understand is that the "inexorable math" of delegates earned by Obama and his staff was garnered by being more politically savvy than Hillary and her staff. She was so pathetic with the "fuzzy votes" garbage. That alone was worthy of contempt for her and her insider hacks. To see her handlers on the news deliberatly skewing the truth was just same old, same old lies one would expect from the Clintons.
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by jonsid2 June 3, 2008 8:24 PM PDT
You women gotta get off the sexism claim. There was no gender bias. She was just a poorer candidate. She lacked character, honesty, charisma, forthrightness, fairness and the list goes on. I was FOR her before I was against her. I said it back in January - there was very little policy difference between her and Barack- it boiled down to a character difference. Stop projecting - she didn''t get treated unfairly because she is a woman. At times I believe she got more of a break because of it.
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by redcentral June 3, 2008 8:38 PM PDT
Voting McCain. The DNC want to nominate him just so they can walk all over the Junior President. They know Barack can be controlled. I know many in America who don''t know who Obama is and will not vote for him because they are scared what the Middle East will turn into after Barack takes away the troops.
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by lorinkundert June 3, 2008 8:39 PM PDT
To pick a candidate based on gender or race is the most foolish thing anyone can do in an election, and lends credence to a poll test to filter out the dullards who vote that way.
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by tonygrafx June 3, 2008 8:53 PM PDT
Well, that''s that I guess. How did Obama win? Well, for starters, he''s young. American youth have always had a "I know what''s good for me so go take a hike" attitude toward authority figures. Obama reminds them of the Pal next door who understands them. Clinton reminds them of Mom. It''s uncool to vote for Mom. Next, Obama is telegenic and male. A lot of women unconciously swoon over that combination. If Clinton had most of the female vote, that still leaves an appreciable sum of ladies out there who will go for the "Lady''s Man". Third, he was the underdog and the new kid in town. You don''t think that counts for a lot? Check out your movies America. Finally, he has a savvy campaign team who knows how to damage control and work the net(as well as the crowds.). The only thing working against him is his inexperience. But hey,remember Abraham Lincoln? He rode that same boat into a great presidency. All in all, considering that America isn''t ready to condone a female president, the Democrats have a good candidate for the presidency. He deserves all of their support. Unless the democrats are racist enough and stupid enough to vote another white republican geezer into office. A POW? Please America; It was a stupid war and you lost it. McCain is not so much a hero as a victim of his goverment''s past machismo. As a citizen of a country who is a firm ally of America, I hope that the american people will get it right this time.
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by hofkurz June 3, 2008 8:58 PM PDT
I agree. Choosing a candidate based on *** is being an irresponsible citizen. As a "mature" woman, Hillary never filled my qualifications...ever. She ran a horrible campaign, chose the wrong people, and let her husband speak for her. She got a pass too many times from the press. That is how I saw it.
And for those supporters who had their feelings hurt and choose to vote for McCain? They weren''t true Democrats in the first place.
But why the labels? Aren''t we Americans first of all?
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by janine70 June 3, 2008 9:08 PM PDT
Katie should have asked if Hillary''s supporters would vote for Obama if she were the vice presidential candidate.
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by luisa25-2009 June 3, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
Time to vote for John McCain. I just don''t think Obama is up for the job yet. This well be the fist time I voted for a republican.
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by a_negroeman June 3, 2008 9:18 PM PDT
Maybe to Obama? Here''s why?Tamika McFadden-Harris Killed by gangs while sheilding her daughter!
Mike Boyd beaten with bricks by a gang, 15 years old!
Severo Enriquez 14 years old, shot 5 times in the back by Gangs.

Obama voted against the death penalty for gang members killing children.
What will happen to Americas children?
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by mitsirrah June 3, 2008 9:20 PM PDT
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that a person is not against women presidential candidates in general just becuse they do not support Sen. Clinton? I simply prefered another candidate based on the merits as I saw them. I didn''t vote AGAINST all women; I didn''t even vote AGAINST Sen. Clinton in particular. I voted FOR someone else.
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by a_negroeman June 3, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
Maybe to Obama? Here''s why?Tamika McFadden-Harris Killed by gangs while sheilding her daughter!
Mike Boyd beaten with bricks by a gang, 15 years old!
Severo Enriquez 14 years old, shot 5 times in the back by Gangs.

Obama voted against the death penalty for gang members killing children.
What will happen to Americas children?
Obama cannot deal with City terrorism!
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by truth_police June 3, 2008 9:24 PM PDT
As a result of the Clintons generally, and Hilliary in particular, I have developed a very negative impression of Women''s Rights groups with their relentless sexism claims, as though that was the prevailing reason Hillary is not winning the nomination. Hillary voted FOR the Iraq War. She let herself get duped, when the vast majority of Americans were NOT duped and knew the evidence was insufficient to make a case for a unilateral U.S. invasion. Germany, France, the majority population in the UK, the majority population in the U.S. were unequivocally against a unilateral U.S. invasion. But Hillary voted for it. Not just once. But repeatedly. Hillary was caught red-handed lying repeatedly about simple facts, like the hail of bullets she had to doge in a war zone. I don''t like being lied to. I don''t intend to vote for someone who is so dim-witted that they can be easily duped, for more easily duped than the general public. This so-called sexism issue had absolutely nothing to do with gender and had everything to do with competence and integrity, which Hillary was lacking in.
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by fraccle June 3, 2008 9:30 PM PDT
One more for McCain! I''m a man, and I was seriously disgusted by the blatant sexism from the Obama camp. I believe that the Obamiacs should be punished for their behavior with the loss of their candidate. If Hillary makes the Obama ticket, then the chagrin of the Obamiacs will be sufficient redemption that I will vote Democrat. Otherwise, I''m voting for grandpa. Who cares if she exaggerated Bosnia? She was there, and Obama WASN''T. ''Nuff said!
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by sistatee-2009 June 3, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
With Stalin and Himmler out of the picture, Hillary''s supporters really have nobody to turn to.
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by lindamary195 June 3, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
I am going to vote for Obama. He says when we end this war that there will be money for free health care. He will help the poor. Our welfare check and food stamps are not enough. We need an increase. I hope that I will finally get the down payment for that house I been wanting. They say that as soon as their budget is increased that I will get it.
There are poor people in this country and we need to be taken care of better. I been going to school for ten years because they said that it will help me quilify for more assistance, but thay still ain''t giving me enough. The earned income tax credit is not enough to buy nice things with. It needs to be increased. Yote Obama please, he came to our church and promised to help us, will you do your part and vote for him. Thank you, Vote for Obama
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by daytoncapri June 3, 2008 9:56 PM PDT
I have fundamental optimism about the impending change of parties in D.C. I am a white male who voted for Hillary in the Ohio primary, and am quite ready to vote for Obama in November.

For my part, there are no ill feelings - I was not a die-hard Hillary supporter, but I did choose to vote for her after listening to her. But honestly, there were many excellent Democrat candidates this election cycle. I felt, and still feel, that the Democrats (unlike the Republicans) have an embarassment of riches when it comes to talent.

I remain an admirer of Hillary. She won''t disappear. I look forward to future leadership from her (whether in the Senate or in the new administration) to help get us out of this mess.

This is so much NOT like the McCain offering. I could be wrong, and good-guy John McC might actually get elected. But where, O where could McCain find untainted people to fill his administration? Even if he successfully breaks with Bush-Cheney, the Republican K-street connection wouldn''t be easy for him to overcome.
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by rank_n_file June 3, 2008 10:06 PM PDT
Women''s Rights groups and other Clinton supporters are permanently damaging their image, by insinuating that anyone who doesn''t vote for Clinton is a sexist or has succumbed to sexist media bias. Clinton approached this campaign with the idea that is was "about her" and it was "about women''s power" and that was a mistake. Obama did NOT approach this campaign as though it was "about him" and "about blacks." Obama has always maintained that it is "about the Iraq War" and it is about righting the wrongs done under 8 years of Bush Regime rule. That''s difference is why Hillary is out and Obama is in. As far as Women''s Rights issues, Not once have I ever heard Hillary or any Women''s Rights group decry the abuses suffered by Jennifer Flowers, or Monica Lewinski, or Paula Jones, all of whom were taken advantage of and were abused by President Clinton. President Clinton called Flowers a liar and lowlife dishonest opportunist, when all along, her claims were absolutely true. Not once did any Women''s Rights group come forward on the victims'' behalf. Not once did any Women''s Rights group vociferously protest the abusive treatment these women received from Clinton. That''s when I disowned Women''s Rights groups, on the grounds they are do-nothing hypocrites.
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by rosesnpearls June 3, 2008 10:18 PM PDT
Too funny. I know several registered Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary just to keep one or the other out - Some voted for Obama to keep Hillary out and others voted for Hillary to keep Obama out. In the general election they will vote Republican.
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by sonlight-9 June 3, 2008 10:19 PM PDT
I think everyone who endorses Sen. Clinton should write her name in on the ballot as our next President. Is that even possible? I guess I am just trying to think of a way not to "throw in the towel." If we remove sexism, racism, and look at all types of life experiences, which is very relevant, I feel Sen. Clinton is the best candidate for the job. However, I have serious doubts about how the U.S. views our own wants/needs. After all, the cumulative vote over the past 8 years was for Pres. Bush :)
Another thought, while this post is not intended to infuriate anyone, or influence anyone to vote for one candidate over another; can we all agree that the popular vote is the way our forefathers intended it. I''m guessing that if the stone carvings on Mt. Rushmore could express themselves over super delegates today, it would reflect shock and outrage. I do not believe that super delegates should make a decision for the American people when we are so closely divided between a party. Just food for thought, after all it will take time to know just which candidate will accomplish the most for the U.S. people while in office, and God knows how much we are in need.


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by camwill-2009 June 3, 2008 10:21 PM PDT
I am very sorry if others are upset about this comment but I am a big Hillary supporter. Obama''s campaign people are very pushy and rude. My husband is a Obama supporter and believe''s that every Hillary supporter will support Obama. I asked him why would they. Obama doesn''t seem trustworthy to me. His supporters are very mean to people who do not support him. That may be the main reason I would never vote for him. The kind of people that are voting for him a lot that I talked to could not say why they supported him besides he would bring change. The reporters have been down playing Hillary''s supporters and how much her voters count. Believe this he doesn''t automaticly get those votes and one thing for sure is he doesn''t have mine. Hillary should run independent and doesn''t take his votes that he would have used to get into office because he never had them in the first place, like the old saying he is counting his eggs before they are hatched. This party is divided and a long way from a Democratic winner.
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by cmp271 June 3, 2008 10:26 PM PDT
I still say hillary needs to stay in the race. It isn''t over yet. Something will come out about Obama, and all those idiots who voted for a black racist will be sorry. I don''t support her myself, I just do not believe the Democrats really knew what they were doing.

Hillary, hang in there, take it to the convention!!! don''t do a Susan B on us women. Even if Bill is part of the package-goddess help us-Obama is not the answer not now!!!
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by trenticus-2009 June 3, 2008 10:27 PM PDT
HANG IN HILLARY! YOU HAVE MY VOTE!!!!
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by trenticus-2009 June 3, 2008 10:30 PM PDT
Hillary Clinton for President: info@hillaryclinton.com

Let her know who you are by sticking by her side. Do not let Ossama, I mean Obama claim this. Why don''t they just let the voters decide who is to be President by putting everyone on the ballot. Why is there Super-Delegates anyway?
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by trenticus-2009 June 3, 2008 10:39 PM PDT
I am going to vote for Obama. He says when we end this war that there will be money for free health care.

Posted by lindamary195

Didn''t you mean to say "IF he decides to end this war that there will be money for free health care."

I don''t trust him. I trust the Clinton''s. So what Bill got his groove on in the ovary, I mean Oval office! He was the man! If Obama wins the "WHITE" house the K.K.K. already said he would be assasinated. If Hillary is V.P. then we win. So what if it is by default. Would it be so bad to have a womans touch on this country. So many of us trust them to run the households of America. Let her run the WHITE HOUSE!
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by platero24 June 3, 2008 11:07 PM PDT
If Hillary is not the nominee I''m voting for another party. Obama will no do anything he promised to end the war is not his choice for free health care forget it will not happen. The only way the health care is going to be free for me is when I qualify for Medicare and some part is going to cost me. Never see it in my life time. Dream on.
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by lastdance122 June 3, 2008 11:10 PM PDT
All of the Supporters of :
Nazi (Delusional-Crying) Hillary and X-cess Baggage Nazi (racist) Bill
Back to : The Republican NAZI Party - Where They Originally Came from ! !
_________

Nazi (Delusional-Crying) Hillary and X-cess Baggage Nazi (racist) Bill
Will Now Need a PRESIDENTIAL PARDON for : Their own CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
Including and All of Their CRIMINAL Friends in : The Bush NAZI Regime
and Their CRIMINAL Cohort Friends in Criminal Corporate NAZI America

Any Corporation or POLITICAL INFLUENCE
That has Supported and Assisted in The Achievement of :
PURPOSELY and INTENTIONALLY __ DESTROYING
The INFRASTRUCTURE of The United States is an : Act of TREASON
TREASON is __ A CRIMINAL ACT !

Nazi (Delusional-Crying) Hillary and X-cess Baggage Nazi (racist) Bill
and - Criminal Corporate NAZI America

DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRAITORS
DEMOCRATIC PARTY DESTROYERS

JOB DESTROYER
WAGE PACKAGE DESTROYER
HEALTH CARE BENEFIT DESTROYER
WORKING MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA DESTROYER
FAMILY UNIT DESTROYER
HOME OWNERSHIP DESTROYER
CREDIT DESTROYER
AMERICAN ECONOMY DESTROYER
DEMOCRACY DESTROYER

The PATRIOTIC Gift of :
NAZI (Delusional-Crying) Hillary - X-cess Baggage NAZI (racist) Bill
and Criminal Corporate (NAZI) America

To The People of the World
SLAVE LABOR and CHILD FORCED SLAVE LABOR

To The AMERICAN PEOPLE
ONE WORLD NAZI FASCIST (Criminal Corporate) RULE

TREASON is __ A CRIMINAL ACT
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by zzfaraday June 3, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
If there''s anything to judge by, the way the candidates ran their campaign is truly telling how they will run the white house. Clinton is problem-solving-oriented but hasn''t any idea how to work an image that would capture the public, particularly the young people. Obama, on the other hand, knows exactly what buttons to push in people but hasn''t much clue how to solve problems for the people. His campaign initially engaged people with nothing more than the fluffy Change and was reluctant to suggest solutions until jeered about being a sheer talker, but by then he''s got Clinton''s own set of solutions to reference and improve on - why be the first one to answer any tough questions, right?! It is as though Clinton was inspired to become the president by what she believes she can do to change the country for the better, and Obama wants to become the president and was inspired by what people''s emotive issues he can use as a platform. Bush was good at swaying public opinions, too; remember it was actually a majority of the population who consented to the war in Iraq. If Obama is put in the white house, the Democrats will be bracing themselves for what a lot of Republicans now deeply regret - choosing the wrong guy for the right party.
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by blackyowe June 3, 2008 11:45 PM PDT
Obama wears lip stick need I say any more?
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by anappleadae June 4, 2008 12:04 AM PDT
Remember Joe Lieberman who lost his primary bid for the Senate as a Democrat; changed to a Independent and won hands down? Independent voters wield large power in elections.

What if Hillary did as Joe did?
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by anappleadae June 4, 2008 12:08 AM PDT
lastdance122

Please stop taking drugs.
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by anappleadae June 4, 2008 12:33 AM PDT
There was a time when only the U.S. Census gave us an idea of who we are and where we are.

Now we have pollsters coming out of the woodwork dividing us into statistics, such as old people holding everybody back; young people anxious to move on but not really knowing where; the educated who think they are elite; blacks who hate racism, but have become what they hate; poor people bitter; clinging to religion and guns, and the remaining few souls are running away from pollsters who must find them and classify them.

Notice how the media loves Pollsters. Between the two they are working 24/7 to make sure you are found and catagorized.

Is it no wonder we are divided? Have the pollsters found you? If so, have you been assigned to a catagory?
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by dmc0603 June 4, 2008 12:44 AM PDT
Why would anyone vote for Hillary in the first place? The Clintons have repeatedly shown us that their political agenda is far more important to them than what''s best for America. As a Republican, I won''t be voting for Obama, but he''s a *** sight better than Hillary. He seems to carry himself with a certain amount of integrity. Something the Clintons know nothing about. That''s why Obama defeated her. Democratic voters (finally) figured her out, and not a moment too soon. The reality is that the Clintons are just plain bad for America. Did you get that Hillary? You''re not wanted. Take your impeached former president spouse and go away. And stay away!

McCain 2008!!
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by ronin411 June 4, 2008 12:46 AM PDT
Wow, I am amazed at some of the comments out here. A long time ago my business partner proclaimed that during his 56 years of life, he realized that the American public is stupid. It angered me when he said it, but looking at some of these comments, his argument seems to have merit in some cases. This is my first blog so bare with me. First a couple quick comments on a few messages that stood out.

Bullyforhim - Read a book, listen to the news, reflect and educate yourself...then comment. You jumped over the first 4 steps of having intelligent conversation.

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by ronin411 June 4, 2008 12:48 AM PDT


isondemuse - Your right. Based on how the candidates ran the campaign will show how the run the White House. Hillary ran her campaign the same as campaigns have always been run, bringing in the same folks, collecting corporate money, not planning for the not so obvious (going beyond Super Tuesday) and apparently not understanding how best to work the system. Barak''s campaign was funded by grassroots efforts where the people contributed millions of dollars. Isn''t grassroots how Democracy is supposed to work. All that corporate money is not free, that is how the lobbyist get in the door. I should mention that I like Hillary, but she was outsmarted, outplayed and outmanuevered in this campaign. Don''t we want a leader who can do that to an intelligent person like Hillary Clinton? His waiting to speak on some issues was genius. He saw what the people needed and gave it to them when they needed. Their positions are similar. The ability to sway the public is a necessity, we can only hope that we are not being swayed in the wrong directin no matter who is in office. How can we judge Barak, without giving him a chance to do anything. Barak also things he can change thinks for the better, so does every presidential candidate...

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by ronin411 June 4, 2008 12:49 AM PDT
Trenticus - even if there were no Superdelegates, Barak would have won... Why don''t you trust him? Are you going off of someone else''s comments? Has he been caught in a lie, does he have questionable financial dealings, what has he done? I am curious to understand how you came to your conclusions. Bill Clinton was my man... I was truly on the fence between Hillary and Barak. I need to know your facts that draw you to the conclusion that Barak is not trustworthy. Is it Rev. Wright? Do you believe Barak is a Muslim. Did you know that Hillary has a questionable religious figure in her past?

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by ronin411 June 4, 2008 12:54 AM PDT
I am a black male who was truly on the fence between Barak and Hillary. I have a lot of respect for the Clintons. She started the mudslinging. I was hoping for a more civil primary. Mudslinging is politics as usual. She lied about Bosnia. It was not a misspeak or didn''t recall or mix up. It was a blatant lie to gain sympathy toward her understanding. To me, this means she will say anything to get what she wants. That is exactly what the current administration is doing. You do not forget where you came under sniper fire. It does not happen so often to the First Lady of the US, that you do not recall where it happened. My guess is the Secret Service would not allow the her to land in an area where there is shooting. Just a common sense guess. This was a huge lie. If she can lie about something as small as that, how can you trust her to tell the truth in more critical situations. She made this into a Black vs. Woman. These 2 groups should be united. Barak''s people receive name calling, racist comments, and Rev. Wrights'' comments certainly would not have been such an issue if Barak was not Black. He has been going to a Christian church forever, and yet people to claim he is Muslim. Bye the way, most Muslim are not terrorist. Bill has questionable monies through his non-profit agencies that he is refusing to speak about. If he is refusing to speak about it, do we want those people that close to the White House?



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by ronin411 June 4, 2008 12:55 AM PDT
To the women who say if Hillary is not the nominee, they will not vote or vote for McCain, that is ammo these short sighted men need NOT to put a woman in office. It seems like women are tagged with being too emotional to be in the White House. Your saying that because you are mad, you are either going to vote for the person who has incredibly different views on where to lead the country than your candidate or you will not vote...which is a vote for McCain. How is that helping get past this stigma and get another legitimate woman candidate? That seems to be hurting the cause. My humble opinion. Hopefully, Democrats can unite. This is THE most important election in a long time. The only way the Dems can lose, is what is happening now...






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by anappleadae June 4, 2008 1:11 AM PDT
ronin411

Gosh Mr. The way you criticize and condescend could you be one of the elite the Pollsters have categorized? If so; how do I get to be as impressive as you? Can''t wait to experience your elitist answer.
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by anappleadae June 4, 2008 1:22 AM PDT
ronin411

According to the United Jewish Community Obama is having problems winning the trust of Jewish Americans. Care to elaborate why that might be?

Also, you made a comment characterizing this election as having significant importance; I thought all elections are very important. Why is this election more important than all the very important election of the past?
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by undermyboot June 4, 2008 3:44 AM PDT
These women are why the dems will always be a pathetic minority party. These are the same far leftie lib women who will be whining when President McCain gets enough Supreme Court appointees to reverse Roe v. Wade. Then we will see the same irrational out-of-touch-with-reality response we get from Hillary: "But this couldn''t happen! It''s not my fault I voted for McCain (or stayed home)".

These crazies are why Republicans will eventually take back Congress and keep the White House. Tough sh*t dems. ROFLMAO
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by undermyboot June 4, 2008 3:48 AM PDT
Hillary''s route to power - the old fashioned way: Marry a powerful man.

The comment about no woman ever being as qualified cracks me up! The first woman President will happen in the next 20 years, she will be a Republican, and she will be 10 times more qualified than Sen. Sleazy.
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