DES MOINES, Iowa, June 2, 2008

No Employers Charged In Immigration Bust

Almost 400 Illegal Immigrant Workers Arrested, But Still No Managers Facing Charges

    • In this Dec. 1, 2004 file photo, a truck leaves the AgriProcessors, Inc., slaughterhouse and packing plant in Postville, Iowa. After the biggest immigration raid in U.S. history on May 14, 2008, hundreds of workers have been sentenced but not one company official as yet faces any charges. Photo

      In this Dec. 1, 2004 file photo, a truck leaves the AgriProcessors, Inc., slaughterhouse and packing plant in Postville, Iowa. After the biggest immigration raid in U.S. history on May 14, 2008, hundreds of workers have been sentenced but not one company official as yet faces any charges.  (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)

    • Workers embrace after they are allowed back to work at the large Shipley Do-Nuts facility on Houston's north side Wednesday, April 16, 2008, in Houston, after federal agents arrested almost 20 workers suspected of being illegal immigrants. Agents from the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement executed a search warrant about 5 a.m. Photo

      Workers embrace after they are allowed back to work at the large Shipley Do-Nuts facility on Houston's north side Wednesday, April 16, 2008, in Houston, after federal agents arrested almost 20 workers suspected of being illegal immigrants. Agents from the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement executed a search warrant about 5 a.m.  (AP Photo/Houston Chronicle)

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(AP)  After the biggest immigration raid in U.S. history, hundreds of workers have been sentenced but not one company official as yet faces any charges - something critics say is typical of a federal government that is tough on employees but easy on owners.

Worker advocates and lawmakers say the fact that nearly 400 workers were arrested in the May 12 raid at the Agriprocessors Inc. plant in Postville - or more than one-third of the total number of employees - proves that company officials must have known they were hiring illegal immigrants.

"Until we enforce our immigration laws equally against both employers and employees who break the law, we will continue to have a problem with immigration," said U.S. Rep. Bruce Braley, an Iowa Democrat whose district borders Postville.

Such raids are designed to get headlines and make it appear that the federal government is cracking down on illegal immigration, said Frank Sharry, executive director of the immigration reform group America's Voice. But he says even those who think enforcement is the answer can't seriously believe the 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. can be arrested and deported.

"Even if you wanted to pursue an imbalanced enforcement-first strategy, the only thoughtful way to do it would be to go after employers, make examples of them and try to scare other employers into compliance," he said. "They're not doing that."

The owner of the Postville plant, Aaron Rubashkin, has said that the company is conducting its own investigation "into the circumstances which led to the recent work site enforcement action, and is fully cooperating with the government." He said the company could not respond to specific allegations due to pending legal issues.

Court documents filed by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent before the raid at the Postville plant indicate that authorities believed company supervisors were violating a number of federal laws including harboring illegal immigrants. An application and affidavit for search warrant alleged that:

  • Based on 2007 fourth-quarter payroll reports, about 78 percent of Agriprocessors' 968 workers were using false or fraudulent Social Security numbers in connection with their employment.

  • Agriprocessors was notified by the Social Security Administration in five separate letters of 500 Social Security number discrepancies for each tax year from 2000 to 2005.

  • A Department of Transportation investigation found that an Agriprocessors supervisor was forcing workers to buy cars from him and allegedly registered the cars under falsified identities. An investigator found at least 200 cars were bought in this manner.

  • The Iowa Department of Labor uncovered workplace safety problems including 39 citations since last October. Fines of around $182,000 were reduced Tuesday to $42,750 after the company agreed to correct some of the violations, which included improper storage and handling of hazardous chemicals and inadequate training in the use of respirators and handling of blood-borne pathogens.

  • Allegations of child labor law violations are under investigation by the state. The investigation was initially halted by the ICE raid but has resumed, said Iowa Workforce Development spokeswoman Kerry Koonce. If confirmed, the violations could be prosecuted as misdemeanors under state law.

  • Occupational Safety and Health Administration logs show records of incidents that led to five amputations, dozens of reports of broken bones, eye injuries and hearing loss at the plant between 2001 and 2006.

    Immigration officials said the 389 arrests at the plant meant it was the largest single-site immigration raid in U.S. history. Of those arrested, 297 pleaded guilty and were sentenced. The guilty pleas included use of false identification documents to obtain employment, false use of a Social Security number or cards and unlawful re-entry into the United States.

    About 60 of the workers taken into custody were released for humanitarian reasons and do not face criminal charges, while 20 others were detained on immigration violations only and face deportation proceedings, said Bob Teig, spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in the Iowa's northern district. Five other defendants did not enter pleas and have cases pending in U.S. District Court in Cedar Rapids.

    The large number of people arrested, coupled with the allegations against Agriprocessors, has led some to conclude that the company is at least as culpable as the workers.

    "I'll be interested to see if federal authorities will be bringing any charges against the employer," Braley said in a telephone interview.

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    Is it not reasonable to assume that if over a third of the work force employed at this plant violated labor law in one form or another that management has to have some complicity in those violations?

    Rep. Timothy Bishop, D- NY
    Braley has questioned the cost of the Postville raid as well as an operation at Swift & Co. plants in Marshalltown and five other Midwest cities in 2006. Although federal agents arrested about 1,300 workers in raids at the Swift plants, Braley noted that no top company officials were charged.

    ICE officials told Braley they didn't have a cost estimate for the Swift raids.

    Although it primarily has been Democrats who have questioned why few company officials are charged in immigration raids, the Republican congressman who represents Postville also expressed disappointment about how that operation was handled.

    James Carstensen, a spokesman for Rep. Tom Latham, said he views the raid as a blow to families seeking a better life and for the community, which is suffering economically.

    "It's a tragedy of an immigration system that is absolutely broken and the tragedy of an enforcement system that is probably not working as effectively as promised by the Bush administration," Carstensen said.

    Rep. Timothy Bishop raised concerns about the federal action during a May 20 hearing of the Workforce Protections Subcommittee of the House Committee on Education and Labor.

    "Is it not reasonable to assume that if over a third of the work force employed at this plant violated labor law in one form or another that management has to have some complicity in those violations?" he asked James Spero, a deputy assistant director for ICE.

    Spero answered that he couldn't comment on a potential ongoing investigation but said immigration enforcement at workplaces does include investigations into violations by management and owners.

    "The goal for our work site operations is to target and develop cases against the egregious employers who are committing violations," he said.

    Spero said investigations of the employers often take more time, and he noted that agents in Postville had search warrants and seized numerous documents from the company.

    Kelly Nantel, a spokeswoman for the agency, said in a statement that it targets employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants but "must build work site investigations in stages."

    "Developing sufficient evidence against employers requires complex, white-collar crime investigations that can take years to bear fruit," she said.

    The agency said it filed criminal charges against more than 90 individuals in company supervisory positions last year. That is out of a total of 863 people who were charged with crimes during the year and 4,000 administrative arrests.

    Agriprocessors, established in 1987 when Brooklyn, New York, butcher Aaron Rubashkin bought a shuttered meatpacking plant, is now the nation's largest kosher meatpacking facility. The owner's son, Sholom Rubashkin, has been running the Postville operation.

    However, the company said in its statement that it was seeking a new chief executive for the Postville operation.

    "The best course of action for the company, its employees, the local community and our customers is to bring new leadership to Agriprocessors," Rubashkin said in the statement.

    The plant was closed on the day of the raid but resumed operation the next day at a reduced level.

    Company officials said they were hiring replacement employees and were working with immigration officials to "help us bolster our compliance efforts to employ only properly documented employees."

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    by feelfree4u June 2, 2008 4:03 AM PDT

    Re: "Almost 400 Illegal Immigrant Workers Arrested, But Still No Managers Facing Charges"

    Ha, ha!

    Of course not!

    In your face again, America!!!
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    by n8yvn29 June 2, 2008 4:25 AM PDT
    Welcome to Bushs%u2019 world, where the rich and corporate interests are allowed to %u2018use up%u2019 the poor and less advantaged, as in military cannon fodder or underpaid immigrant labor to be discarded as needed.
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    by watcher269-2009 June 2, 2008 4:31 AM PDT
    Why? You may ask?

    They are all financial contributors to the Republican Party and Bushit and Cheney!

    Also - we all know that in this administration - anyone caught doing something illegal will be promoted or like these guys - will probably be given tax breaks on their Billions in the banks.

    America - NOT FOR THE POOR ANYMORE!
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    by messiahx4eve June 2, 2008 4:32 AM PDT
    *** is going on with their heads on this ONE???? Its a NO BRAINER??? Shut it down, hard, fast, and FINE them back to the STONE AGE. Stopping ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION STARTS HERE 8 NOW!!!!!
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    by truthisstran June 2, 2008 4:35 AM PDT
    you want to see these devils for how they are ?
    why did they not mention the meth lab found during the origional story?
    http://jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/108541.html
    once again sweeping the real story under the rug!
    Ron Paul will set your polluted mind become clear he is crazy because he loves the constitution?then i am also crazy! Infowars.com speaks the truth!
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    by andor3 June 2, 2008 4:36 AM PDT
    why do people keep after this immigrant non-issue? Immigrants are here because we all want them here, plain and simple. Or at least all the people who matter. No one is EVER going to stop the immigration because no one wants to.

    And all this blame the victims--the immigrants who accept the invitation to cvoe here--is stupid.
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    by antizion June 2, 2008 6:02 AM PDT
    The largest meth lab bust ever at a Jewish business. No wonder nobody goes to jail.

    The richest community in the US is west palm beach which is where the cocaine trade is run by you know who.
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    by joe1022joe June 2, 2008 7:12 AM PDT
    Contrary to the view expressed in some comments on this site, "immigrants" (actually illegal aliens) are not here because "we all want them here." In fact polls consistently demonstrate that upwards of 70% of the population want illegal immigration to be stopped and the illegal aliens expelled from our nation. The problem is the national political leaders of both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party refuse to act on the will of the people. When the federal government is deporting 50,000 illegal aliens each month and prosecuting 500-1,000 employers each month across the country, we will be headed down the the correct path. At the same time a comprehensive physical fencing system that runs from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico that is properly manned and equipped will move the US further down that correct path. We may not be able to deport them all, but if we start deporting them at a rate of 100,000 a month and start charging, trying, and imprisoning 500-1,000 employers per month, many of them will leave voluntarily. The employer prosecution will stop most of the illegal hiring and the fencing and its accompanying systems will keep the illegals out. We may not be able to deport every last illegal, but we can get rid of a lot of them.
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    by joe1022joe June 2, 2008 7:13 AM PDT
    By the way, we need a constitutional amendment to stop the "anchor baby" practice. Since becoming a citizen by being born on our soil permits illegal alien mothers, tourist mothers, etc to run over the border into the US and have a child that is a citizen, if we plug this loop hole in the law with judicious wording of a constitutional amendment, we will greatly reduce the impact of illegals in this country.
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    by dsr57 June 2, 2008 7:16 AM PDT
    Re: "Almost 400 Illegal Immigrant Workers Arrested, But Still No Managers Facing Charges"

    Ha, ha!

    Of course not!

    In your face again, America!!!

    Posted by FeelFree4U

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    I don''t get it? Didn''t the Americans get away with it?
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    by joe1022joe June 2, 2008 7:18 AM PDT
    Further, if we add another constitutional amendment which changes the protections of the constitution to apply only to citizens, we will be able to deal with the illegal alien problem and at the same time shore up national security greatly. The amendment can be worded to continue protecting the property of foreign investors etc., so the "sky is falling" argument won''t wash.
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    by brianbwb-2009 June 2, 2008 7:21 AM PDT
    Connect the dots;

    dot 1, fraud by workers.

    dot 2, company abetting fraud after being notified.

    dot 3, at least 200 counts of racketeering.

    dot 4, violation of OSHA, and EPA laws.

    dot 5, child slavery.

    dot 6, inhumanity that defies description.

    Of all the dots, only dot 1 rests with the workers.

    It is jail time, and lots of it, for the management of this business.
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    by joe1022joe June 2, 2008 7:31 AM PDT
    One way to greatly speed up the deporting of illegal aliens is for the federal government to establish and sufficiently fund immigration courts that have the power to act with appeals from that court only going to the US Supreme Court. The only question should be: Is the person in this country illegally?
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    by slim1h2o June 2, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
    Posted by joe1022joe at 07:12 AM : Jun 02, 2008

    I agree Joe! Deport who we can, prosecute who we can, and the rest will take care of its self.
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    by joe1022joe June 2, 2008 7:45 AM PDT
    The following sentence appears in the above article: "Immigration officials said the 389 arrests at the plant meant it was the largest single-site immigration raid in U.S. history." If this statement is true, this is simply pathetic. 389 illegal aliens? At a deportation rate of 50,000 per month it will take 10 years to physically deport half of the illegal thought by some "experts" to be here. Actually, the number of illegals may be more than 12,000,000 and they continue to flood across our southern border like a firehose shoots water in a massive invasion. Yes, it can only be called an invasion. Only when we are rounding up and deporting tens of thousands of illegals each and every month with a proper fencing system in place in the southern border will we be making actual progress toward solving the illegal alien problem.
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    by joe1022joe June 2, 2008 7:46 AM PDT
    Contrary to the view expressed in some comments on this site, "immigrants" (actually illegal aliens) are not here because "we all want them here." In fact polls consistently demonstrate that upwards of 70% of the population want illegal immigration to be stopped and the illegal aliens expelled from our nation. The problem is the national political leaders of both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party refuse to act on the will of the people. When the federal government is deporting 50,000 illegal aliens each month and prosecuting 500-1,000 employers each month across the country, we will be headed down the the correct path. At the same time a comprehensive physical fencing system that runs from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico that is properly manned and equipped will move the US further down that correct path. We may not be able to deport them all, but if we start deporting them at a rate of 100,000 a month and start charging, trying, and imprisoning 500-1,000 employers per month, many of them will leave voluntarily. The employer prosecution will stop most of the illegal hiring and the fencing and its accompanying systems will keep the illegals out. We may not be able to deport every last illegal, but we can get rid of a lot of them.
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    by mcvet June 2, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
    One way to greatly speed up the deporting of illegal aliens is for the federal government to establish and sufficiently fund immigration courts that have the power to act with appeals from that court only going to the US Supreme Court. The only question should be: Is the person in this country illegally?


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    Posted by joe1022joe at 07:31 AM : Jun 02, 2008
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    OH BULL!! YOU losers are complete IDIOTs looking for someone to hate!! Want to end this problem? Simple and it will cost the tax payers ZERO.. NOTHING!! Make if a CRIME, a CRIME with JAIL TIME attached for ANY employer to hire someone who is Illegal. When there is NO WORK there will be no Illegal''s... it''s just that simple. The PROBLEM?? Well those who hire them are the biggest donors to the Republican Party. That''s why THAT Party did absolutely NOTHING.. Na Da even thought they controlled the ENTIRE Government for 6 years. Sieg Heil Bush
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    by floydzeppl June 2, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
    Bush and McCain loves illegals for their Big Business Donors. That''s why no arrests and prosecution.
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    by tootall10142 June 2, 2008 8:07 AM PDT
    Evet one lowers thier head when they hear of human slavery and the mistreatment of others in foriegn countries.When all they have to do is look at thier nieghborhood employers.employers should be fined the same amount of money each alien was paid and have a minimum 10.000 per incident and the U S people should boycott that company and all the labels they contract for this will let the will of the american people be heard and felt in the pocket book.
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    by joe1022joe June 2, 2008 8:13 AM PDT
    When do you think this immigration problem began? Folks, the Democratic Party controlled Congress from 1954 to 1994 and control it today. This problem sits squarely on the heads of the leaders of both major parties. Only pressure on both parties from the bottom up will get the characters who are at the top of both major parties to change on this issue. Start voting only for candidates that pledge they will do the hard things, the necessary things: to build the fencing system, prosecute vigorously thousands of employers (do it now!) with up to eight figure fines for the companies that violate the law and jail for their officers and managers. This will get things moving in the correct direction.
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    by hwy71so June 2, 2008 8:16 AM PDT
    Shut ''em down!!
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    by greeneyes222 June 2, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
    What a win-win situation for the employers. They can hire these people for less and make money illegally, then bear absolutely no responsibility when they''re caught.

    This whole "good for business" mantra is like a return to the Dark Ages, when the feudal lords ruled over serfs with no rights. Disgusting.
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    by mrpisces-2009 June 2, 2008 8:27 AM PDT
    This is typical racial discrimination. Apply the law against Mexicans, Costa Ricans, etc, but not Americans!!!

    Providing employment to illegal immigrants is Federal Offense and a FELONY. Our laws apply to all people FOREIGN and DOMESTIC.

    Where does it say in our US Consitution that Americans, specifically rich business owners, are above the law?

    NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
    NO AMNESTY FOR THE AMERICANS AND AMERICAN COMPANIES THAT HIRE THEM.

    Till we prosecute both AMERICANS and Illegal Immigrants, it is nothing but PURE RACISM!!!!
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    by omnibus66 June 2, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
    The pack of criminals running this country protects their own. And that includes big business. If you don''t know what FASCISM means, look it up.

    We are living in a fascist state, and cheap labor furthers the interest of fascism, pure and simple. Prosecuting big business for breaking laws that weaken the bonds so carefully crafted between corporations and government is patently counterproductive.

    If you have any aspirations of someday being a part of corporate management in this world, you''d better start learning Spanish. When enough of the illegals are here to take over, they will no longer be the cheap labor pool, they will run the show.
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    by oldone60 June 2, 2008 8:33 AM PDT
    Employers need to know that they are courting corporate suicide - and actual hard jail time for hiring managers - if they violate immigration laws.

    The public needs to demand Congress slam these lawbreakers with something more than these photo ops "hearings".

    The Demos are in charge of Congress - why hasn''t this happened?!
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    by trillion1 June 2, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
    Actually in the late 50s Ike had a very successful anti illegal program call Operation *******. With-out arresting the employers these raids are just PR stunts where the goverment pretends they care.
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    by cbsblogger June 2, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
    I''ll guarantee if this employer was shut down, it would be the beginning of the end of most illegal immigration. All we need is one major example and the other greedy bxstards would fall into line. Our government makes a mockery of justice and our laws by not imposing major sanctions against those businesses that hire illegals instead of hiring Americans. Going after just the illegals is a joke.
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    by forthepeopl1 June 2, 2008 8:42 AM PDT
    In an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel on Saturday, Warren Buffett opined that the United States is already in recession, even if it''s not in the sense that economists would define it: two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

    Furthermore, Buffett argues the recession "will be deep and last longer than many think."

    Sounds pretty ominous. After all, Buffett is now the world''s richest man %u2013 he recently surpassed Microsoft chairman Bill Gates %u2013 and is easily one of the planet''s most successful investors.

    If Buffett himself thinks the economic outlook is lousy, the average punter thinks, maybe I should get out of the market.

    If you have money in the stock market that you will need in the next few months ahead, you should. (Not because the market is about to go down %u2013 although it may %u2013 but because money earmarked for short-term expenditures shouldn''t be in the market in the first place.)
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    by omega39-2009 June 2, 2008 8:44 AM PDT
    why do people keep after this immigrant non-issue? Immigrants are here because we all want them here, plain and simple.

    Posted by andor3 at 04:36 AM : Jun 02, 2008

    Speak for your self I don''''t feel that way as I want them out.
    Your post was pointless and stupid.

    Posted by rharrin1

    Maybe you don''t but out here in CA, too lazy to cut your own grass, hire a Mexican. Need some roofing done cheap, hire someone using illegals. Need someone to perform a few hours of back breaking labor, drive by the home depot where all the men are standing around. I''m not saying its right but as long as Americans are too lazy and too cheap they can expect a problem with illegal immigrants.
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    by mrpisces-2009 June 2, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
    I am sick and tired of companies hiring illegals and only watching the illegals get uprooted and deported back. Companies that don''t want to operate legally should get uprooted and put out of business. No fines should be imposed because fines get reduced to a simply slap on the wrist. Simply put these criminal companies out of business and their owners and management team in jail.

    Our immigration laws apply to ALL US citizens and not just foreigners.

    Companies like Agriprocessors, Inc., hurt legitimate American companies that follow the rules and hire US citizens and legal immigrants who obey the law.

    Our country has lost enough jobs and entire industries to third world countries. We don''t need third world countries coming on our own soil and taking our own jobs in our own backyard.

    Stop deporting illegals and start prosecuting these criminal companies. Once you shutdown these criminal companies and send the owners and CEOs to prison, the illegals will self deport themselves.
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    by floydzeppl June 2, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
    Agriprocessors, Inc. - Republican Traitors to The United States of America
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    by panhandlpete June 2, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
    James Carstensen, a spokesman for Rep. Tom Latham, said he views the raid as a blow to families seeking a better life and for the community, which is suffering economically.

    As a 5th generation American citizen, I find Mr. Latham''s views to be supportive of the wrong side of this issue. While the invaders are coming here from a poorly run country to improve (make money) their plight in life, they do so through ILLEGAL means. After all, drug dealers are trying to improve their lives, too. Our elected government officials, from mayors all the way to the oval office, support this invasion for the benefit of their corporate supporters by inaction and failure to enforce the LAWS now on the books.

    Mr. Latham should go live in a poor neighborhood without the benefit of his assests or health care. He would learn firsthand why resentment to the illegals is growing. It is not against them personally for most of them are hard workers and family oriented. It is against those folks, like Mr. Latham, who should have done their sworn duty and upheld our laws, and we would not be in the situation that we are in.

    Action should be taken against ALL employers before they are taken against the workers. It would be far less expensive to the taxpayers, and less harsh on "those families and communities" that Mr. Latham has so much empathy for their efforts to improve their lives.

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    by gopsoccermom June 2, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
    I am so happy to hear that employers will not be facing charges hiring illegal workers. Now they are free to hire more illegals. Praise Jesus!
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    by mrpisces-2009 June 2, 2008 9:14 AM PDT
    "Action should be taken against ALL employers before they are taken against the workers. It would be far less expensive to the taxpayers, and less harsh on "those families and communities" that Mr. Latham has so much empathy for their efforts to improve their lives. "
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    Posted by panhandlpete at 09:08 AM : Jun 02, 2008
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    Excellent post.....
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    by cbsblogger June 2, 2008 9:21 AM PDT
    The owner of the Postville plant, Aaron Rubashkin, has said that the company is conducting its own investigation "into the circumstances which led to the recent work site enforcement action, and is fully cooperating with the government."

    Yeah, I''ll tell you the motivation and source, Mr Aaron Rubaskin (owner).....GREED!!!

    It''s those like you that have destroyed this country by outsourcing jobs and production, and now insourcing the illegals, all for greed and the want of another scheckel. You need deported sir and I''ll contribute to the cause.
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    by zykracosmos June 2, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
    Posted by mrpisces: "...Companies that don''''t want to operate legally should get uprooted and put out of business."
    You are absolutely correct. Go after the reason why they swim across the Rio Grande in the first place. No jobs without documentation- no illegal immigrants..it''s that simple.
    Why isn''t it happening? Big businesses (Republicans) want cheap labor and higher profits. Bleeding heart humanitarians (Democrats) think we should subsidize the world, even when our own livelihoods are at stake.
    This problem can be controlled completely by holding all employers accountable under the threat of criminal prosecution (jail time, not fines) for verifying workers'' legal status. Laws on the books allowing companies to hire miscellanous workers in addition to permanent employees must be changed to demand the same documentation procedures for both.
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    by cbsblogger June 2, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
    BTW This plant has a value statemenmt...LOL
    http://www.agriprocessor.com/agriprocessors_jewish_values/kosher_tradition_law.php#


    excerpted:
    "We are devoted to our customers and are committed to following and upholding the federal, state, and local laws and regulations governing our business."

    (They should add: as long as it doesn''t intefere with our profits)
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    by zykracosmos June 2, 2008 9:32 AM PDT
    Here''s another thing.. any of you folks ever notice how many illegal workers are actually working for government agencies? (road workers, lawn maintenance on public grounds, etc., etc.) The very government we are trying to get enforce the law is guilty of looking the other way themselves.
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    by docpeter-2009 June 2, 2008 9:35 AM PDT
    From the article, "The large number of people arrested, coupled with the allegations against Agriprocessors, has led some to conclude that the company is at least as culpable as the workers."

    No kidding! It would seem that way, considering also from the article, "Based on 2007 fourth-quarter payroll reports, about 78 percent of Agriprocessors'' 968 workers were using false or fraudulent Social Security numbers in connection with their employment."
    AND, "Agriprocessors was notified by the Social Security Administration in five separate letters of 500 Social Security number discrepancies for each tax year from 2000 to 2005."

    Agriprocessors knew or should have known ther were hiring and employing illegals.

    I, personally, like the new ideas taken up in Arizona. If an employer is found guilty of hiring illegals he/she is fined $10,000 for the first offense, or something like that. For a second offense, his/her licensc to operate the business is revoked for six months and there is a significant fine for it.
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    by barbaraf4 June 2, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
    "This problem can be controlled completely by holding all employers accountable under the threat of criminal prosecution (jail time, not fines) for verifying workers'' legal status." Posted by ZykraCosmos
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    Unless the laws have changed in the past 20 years, they DO hold the employer accountable. That infamous I-9 you fill out when being hired, along with the one of several acceptable forms of ID are supposed to be what fuels this.

    I worked for a company in California that ran afoul of the INS. An employee was found murdered and he had one of our check stubs in his pocket. INS came down on us like a ton of bricks. I called Corporate Legal to find out what I needed to do. I was told to do anything they asked me to do.

    The safety hatch is that you don''t have to be nor do you have to hire a documents expert. The identification presented has to "appear" authentic.

    I don''t know where that law got lost but employers were plenty afraid of the INS.
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    by mrpisces-2009 June 2, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
    Posted by docpeter at 09:35 AM : Jun 02, 2008
    "I, personally, like the new ideas taken up in Arizona. If an employer is found guilty of hiring illegals he/she is fined $10,000 for the first offense, or something like that. For a second offense, his/her licensc to operate the business is revoked for six months and there is a significant fine for it. "
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    So true. It was implemented in Oklahoma and it is working well in both states. Illegals have left those states to either go back to Mexico or whatever country or left to go to other states with less strict laws.

    The bottom line is that it doesn''t cost a penny to deport them. They self deport on their own!!!
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    by hungry1968 June 2, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
    "Even if you wanted to pursue an imbalanced enforcement-first strategy, the only thoughtful way to do it would be to go after employers, make examples of them and try to scare other employers into compliance," he said. "They''re not doing that."






    I couldn''t agree more. They should sentence the employers to one year in federal prison and fine them $500,000 for each illegal immigrant they have in their employ.

    The illegal immigration problem would be over immediately, and all those here would be forced to go home voluntarily.
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    by hologram5 June 2, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
    typical American double standard ***. force everything on the employees, taxes, immigration and whatnot but leave the employers alone, give them the tax breaks, give them the warm fuzzy feeling. THIS IS SUCH A JOKE!!!
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    by dowell100 June 2, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
    No Employers Charged????

    One can assume that the law enforcement and judicial system in America is corrupt and has failed.

    There such be an investigation, but the investigatores will probably be corrupt too. We have become Mexico.

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    by questionnews June 2, 2008 10:27 AM PDT
    Yea. Bust the ho''s, but the pimps get off scott free.
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    by omega39-2009 June 2, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
    Keeps SSA afloat. Originally, it was 16 workers for one SSA recipient. Today it is something like 4:1. For some lucky person, it''''s 401:1.

    Regards,


    Posted by Nancy_Naive

    It''s probably that guy from lifelock that drives around a truck with his real SS number on the side.
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    by darnedsocks June 2, 2008 11:20 AM PDT
    WITHOUT HARSH FINES ON EMPLOYERS, THEY WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR PRACTICES OF ENCOURAGING ILLEGALS WITH DISEASES, LACK OF EDUCATION, AND 3RD-WORLD VALUES TO COME TO THE U.S....FURTHER PREVENTING FROM LOW-INCOME PEOPLE FROM GETTING A "STARTER" JOB...SUCH AS HIGH SCHOOOL STUDENTS OR POST H.S. GRADS OR MOMS AND PEOPLE FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY. DON''T TELL ME THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING JOBS!
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    by lochlan-2009 June 2, 2008 11:28 AM PDT
    One question,

    How much did they charge out per man hour for work and how much did they pay the illegals?

    That will tell you how much money the employers made off of these almost 400 illegals.
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    by brittanicus-2009 June 2, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
    These (ICE) sweeps are a provision enacted in the 1986 Simpson/Mazzoli bill, when the first AMNESTY became law. Since then an invasion has taken place, with estimates of between 15 to 38 million aliens illegally settling here. California should be at the top of the list, for heavy duty (ICE) enforcement as this ''Sanctuary State'' seems to think they are above the law. Aiding and abetting an illegal alien is a criminal offense and the state has become a major player in violating this law. (ICE) has a hot-line for whistle blowers and will investigate any suspicious activity regarding illegal immigration. We have seen very limited arrest and imprisonment from the aftermath of (ICE) raids. The SAVE ACT will commit larger funding for (ICE), the border patrol, police departments, drug squads, special agents and other anti-illegal immigration measures. Pariah employers in corporate farms and general businesses, have not seen the interior walls of prison, as they think they are above the law. We must insist Democrats endorse the Federal SAVE ACT(H.R.4088), by phoning (2022243121) There leaders are keeping it dormant, waiting for the new presidents AMNESTY. Except that on its enactment millions more will pour across our border. The millions here already will be dwarfed in comparison to the next onslaughts, coming from third world countries. NUMBERSUSA.

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    by tejasdemo June 2, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
    Lol
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