Sect Case Judge Won't Sign Reunion Order

Court Refuses To Sign Agreement To Reunite Polygamist Sect Parents With Children

(CBS/ AP)  In a surprise move, the Texas Supreme Court judge in the polygamist sect child custody case refused to sign the order releasing the children until after all the lawyers and their clients could agree on it, reports CBS News correspondent Hari Sreenivasan.

Anxious members of the El Dorado polygamist sect came to court Friday with hopes of being reunited with their children, who were taken from the Yearning for Zion Ranch by the state's Child Protective Services nearly two months ago. The agreement would have returned more than 400 children to their parents by the end of next week.

But the court set preconditions for the children's release, including:

Parents must be photographed when they pick up their child.

Parents must agree to unannounced home visits as Child Protective Services continues to investigate sexual abuse.

Children cannot leave the state of Texas or even travel 60 miles without permission.

And not all the children would be allowed to go home, as lawyers expect Child Protective Services to keep custody of a handful of girls that they believe were younger than the legal age of 16 when they married or became pregnant.

"It appears to be a fair compromise to me," said Court Coordinator Guy Choate. "I mean, the children are going back … that's what everyone said they wanted. Everyone said they wanted the child not to be injured, not to be harmed, not to be subject to child sexual abuse. If you take everyone at their word this order will ensure that occurs."

Several lawyers pleaded with the court to reunite the kids this weekend, but the court said it was better to take the time, and get everything done right - putting the reunions on hold.

The key investigation now appears focused on Warren Jeffs, the imprisoned leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. An affidavit filed in Arizona charges that Jeffs married two 12-year-old girls and two 14-year-old girls before his arrest two years ago.


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by balazon June 1, 2008 6:42 AM EDT

The children were taken illegally as determined by the Texas Supreme Court...why is the lower court now setting pre-conditions for the children''s release?

(Parents must be photographed when they pick up their child.)

If you had a goofy hairdo, would you want to be photographed? Even more importantly, why is this a requirement for the return of children illegally removed from their parents home? Having at one time in my life been removed from my parents custody, unfortunately I have some experience. My folks never got their pictures taken. Must be to record the fashion of the day since they are "different" and this phenomenon must be chronicled for posterity.

(Parents must agree to unannounced home visits as Child Protective Services continues to investigate sexual abuse.)

Again blanket permission for intrusion into a home. Only those cases where there is EVIDENCE!!!!! should unannounced access to the children be required just as in any other case where there is EVIDENCE!!!!!

(Hopefully they will use the DNA to match up the kids to their parents so they make sure the right kids go to the right parents!)

This one is a little worrisome. DNA samples were taken from Warren Jeffs. Now we''ll find out how many of the 400+ are really his. After all, isn%u2019t this truly what this is all about?

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by drgnsnplnts June 1, 2008 5:42 AM EDT

h
'' .. don''t hold hands & weave bouquets free food & medicine all street cornets, soldiers will laugh & scream & ferry u to detention for fail give what they want & you watch them .. ''

'' .. lazy naked boy saw dressed working woman & screamed ''spank her'', kids ran fast, but group dressed working woman giggled hurrydly passt singing: look look, a dressed working women, must be sick bed party villages rallyed near .. ''

'' .. government: group what swears most would rape kill starve barbecue each other if not for government .. ''

'' .. vowing to step in shoot, gov vowed & ensured world full of shoot to step in .. ''

'' .. all folk around start of airplane & factory car almost gone, soon all dirt farms, then all will want one .. ''

'' .. saw naked girl on side of road, crashed my nerf bus & got out & paddled her, some tried arrest me for murder, i pointed out she''d been bloody & dead long before i caugt her *** .. ''

'' .. virtual infinite divergence: ''photo'' or ''sequence'' smeared & marred & splattered & pixilated & such repeatedly to ''destroy'' image until all new image, new image ''destroyed'' to create yet other, also: ''game piece'' of endless options & ''do overs'' .. ''

'' .. don''t dance get well feed world get sick tax world hike naked dance dressed porn songs rallyt round sick beds what swim drift spore bloom weed dragon trail fickle first aid lunch farm cottage studio trail crossing yseedsberry trail group subsist farms .. ''

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by truthalways June 1, 2008 1:50 AM EDT

You should get one. I guess the fact my child graduated a straight A student and president of his class, team captain in two sports, didn''''t get a girl pregnant, and had no pregnant class mates..

dragonwagon...

yes because in your son''s school they give the boys condoms and the girls contraception...does not mean that they are not having s e x..or older men there are not having s e x with teenage girls...what is you iq level??? duh!!! talk about being dellusional..lol

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by truthalways June 1, 2008 1:40 AM EDT

dragonwagon5

i bet your child is rude like you taught him and you are...it doesn''t matter if you child is a staight A etc etc..there are professors killers,DAs'' pedophiles...don''t get so high on your horses and your pride about your child...it''s what he will have to answer to God at the end of his life that counts not his degrees...and I m seeing your poor boy is not getting the good example from a such small minded person like you...who think so high of vain glories of this sick world...i have better things to do than put my hopes in worldly *** like you teach your son...you definitely need parental class and a class of humilty from God to tame your ugly pride...of course I don''t expect you to figure out..dragonfly..

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by govwatch-2009 May 31, 2008 11:38 PM EDT

This is a very standard ploy by CPS. They grab the kids, don''''t charge the parents of doing anything wrong then say well if you just sign this contract to get parenting class then you can have your kids back. (remember these are the same kids that they are not suppose to have taken to begin with) Then if the parents mis just one class the courts will grab the kids legally. DON''''T SIGN ANY AGREEMENT, IT''''S A LEGAL TRAP!!!! I know, I use to work with CPS. Nasty bunch they are. The kids will come back because they have no legal standing. Then when you get them back, sue their *sses off. They deserve to do things right, not act like gustopos in the name of children''''s rights.
Kids do NOT belong to the state. At least not yet!

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by dowell100 May 31, 2008 11:38 PM EDT

Posted by bhoogren
Janet Reno showed us all how evil families and parents can be.

There should be no due process or constitutional protection of parents.

As a precondition of child bearing the couple should have to sign a waiver of rights as they are contributing another useful citizen to this country and we the people want that citizen to be raised the RIGHT way.

The courts and the CPS know what the right way is.

Believe the child, The parents are liars when they deny child abuse.

Only the government can be trusted in these matters.

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Thanks for the jokes. Needed the laugh. Especially the one about trusting the government. Like Iraq, you mean?

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by mcvet May 31, 2008 10:50 PM EDT

The courts and the CPS know what the right way is.

Believe the child, The parents are liars when they deny child abuse.

Only the government can be trusted in these matters.


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Posted by bhoogren at 05:14 PM : May 31, 2008
+ report abuse

What are you.. a member of the American Taliban?? These girls are being abused and those boys are being TAUGHT to abuse them.. YOU don''t need a court or the government to tell you that.. YOU can SEE it if you take off the blinders... GOD you people are the slime of this earth!! Sieg Heil and AMEN

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by veteran72 May 31, 2008 9:13 PM EDT

The courts and the CPS know what the right way is.

Believe the child, The parents are liars when they deny child abuse.

Only the government can be trusted in these matters.


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Posted by bhoogren at 05:14 PM : May 31, 2008
+ report abuse

Kind of difficult for them to deny when a 16 year old girl has 3 children, don''t you think???
She would have likely been raped at the age of twelve or so, using simple mathematics......

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by kamsack50 May 31, 2008 8:58 PM EDT

The returned children should be required to strap video cameras to their chests and switch them on whenever they are approached by their parents. At the end of each month, they must show and explain the content of the videos to a panel of three feminists at the court.
We the public will pay the costs.

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by merlgrey May 31, 2008 8:36 PM EDT

What did you expect? Bush has wlaked all over the Constitution for 8 yars and now you''''re just strating to complain?O''I know why, it wasn''''t affecting your kind until now....Posted by FloydZeppl

hah- hope youre joking about my kind. furthest thing from a morman or flds... more interested in abuse of civil liberties here.

believe me i have been complaining about the last 8 yrs as well as before then. things have magnified quickly since 9-11 but civil rights and liberties have been slowly eroding over a long time... long before even nixon who was a disaster in this regard... its not likely the establishment of either the repubs or the dems is likely to start giving up thier power and control over society (weve obviously fallen for it), and its all whitewashed in ''what we can do for you'' while pilferring your paychecks.

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[balazon]

The children were taken illegally as determined by the Texas Supreme Court...why is the lower court now setting pre-conditions for the children''s release?

(Parents must be photographed when they pick up their child.)

If you had a goofy hairdo, would you want to be photographed? Even more importantly, why is this a requirement for the return of children illegally removed from their parents home? Having at one time in my life been removed from my parents custody, unfortunately I have some experience. My folks never got their pictures taken. Must be to record the fashion of the day since they are "different" and this phenomenon must be chronicled for posterity.

(Parents must agree to unannounced home visits as Child Protective Services continues to investigate sexual abuse.)

Again blanket permission for intrusion into a home. Only those cases where there is EVIDENCE!!!!! should unannounced access to the children be required just as in any other case where there is EVIDENCE!!!!!

(Hopefully they will use the DNA to match up the kids to their parents so they make sure the right kids go to the right parents!)

This one is a little worrisome. DNA samples were taken from Warren Jeffs. Now we''ll find out how many of the 400+ are really his. After all, isn%u2019t this truly what this is all about?

[drgnsnplnts]

h
'' .. don''t hold hands & weave bouquets free food & medicine all street cornets, soldiers will laugh & scream & ferry u to detention for fail give what they want & you watch them .. ''

'' .. lazy naked boy saw dressed working woman & screamed ''spank her'', kids ran fast, but group dressed working woman giggled hurrydly passt singing: look look, a dressed working women, must be sick bed party villages rallyed near .. ''

'' .. government: group what swears most would rape kill starve barbecue each other if not for government .. ''

'' .. vowing to step in shoot, gov vowed & ensured world full of shoot to step in .. ''

'' .. all folk around start of airplane & factory car almost gone, soon all dirt farms, then all will want one .. ''

'' .. saw naked girl on side of road, crashed my nerf bus & got out & paddled her, some tried arrest me for murder, i pointed out she''d been bloody & dead long before i caugt her *** .. ''

'' .. virtual infinite divergence: ''photo'' or ''sequence'' smeared & marred & splattered & pixilated & such repeatedly to ''destroy'' image until all new image, new image ''destroyed'' to create yet other, also: ''game piece'' of endless options & ''do overs'' .. ''

'' .. don''t dance get well feed world get sick tax world hike naked dance dressed porn songs rallyt round sick beds what swim drift spore bloom weed dragon trail fickle first aid lunch farm cottage studio trail crossing yseedsberry trail group subsist farms .. ''

[truthalways]

You should get one. I guess the fact my child graduated a straight A student and president of his class, team captain in two sports, didn''''t get a girl pregnant, and had no pregnant class mates..

dragonwagon...

yes because in your son''s school they give the boys condoms and the girls contraception...does not mean that they are not having s e x..or older men there are not having s e x with teenage girls...what is you iq level??? duh!!! talk about being dellusional..lol

[truthalways]

dragonwagon5

i bet your child is rude like you taught him and you are...it doesn''t matter if you child is a staight A etc etc..there are professors killers,DAs'' pedophiles...don''t get so high on your horses and your pride about your child...it''s what he will have to answer to God at the end of his life that counts not his degrees...and I m seeing your poor boy is not getting the good example from a such small minded person like you...who think so high of vain glories of this sick world...i have better things to do than put my hopes in worldly *** like you teach your son...you definitely need parental class and a class of humilty from God to tame your ugly pride...of course I don''t expect you to figure out..dragonfly..

[govwatch-2009]

This is a very standard ploy by CPS. They grab the kids, don''''t charge the parents of doing anything wrong then say well if you just sign this contract to get parenting class then you can have your kids back. (remember these are the same kids that they are not suppose to have taken to begin with) Then if the parents mis just one class the courts will grab the kids legally. DON''''T SIGN ANY AGREEMENT, IT''''S A LEGAL TRAP!!!! I know, I use to work with CPS. Nasty bunch they are. The kids will come back because they have no legal standing. Then when you get them back, sue their *sses off. They deserve to do things right, not act like gustopos in the name of children''''s rights.
Kids do NOT belong to the state. At least not yet!

[dowell100]

Posted by bhoogren
Janet Reno showed us all how evil families and parents can be.

There should be no due process or constitutional protection of parents.

As a precondition of child bearing the couple should have to sign a waiver of rights as they are contributing another useful citizen to this country and we the people want that citizen to be raised the RIGHT way.

The courts and the CPS know what the right way is.

Believe the child, The parents are liars when they deny child abuse.

Only the government can be trusted in these matters.

---------

Thanks for the jokes. Needed the laugh. Especially the one about trusting the government. Like Iraq, you mean?

[mcvet]

The courts and the CPS know what the right way is.

Believe the child, The parents are liars when they deny child abuse.

Only the government can be trusted in these matters.


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Posted by bhoogren at 05:14 PM : May 31, 2008
+ report abuse

What are you.. a member of the American Taliban?? These girls are being abused and those boys are being TAUGHT to abuse them.. YOU don''t need a court or the government to tell you that.. YOU can SEE it if you take off the blinders... GOD you people are the slime of this earth!! Sieg Heil and AMEN

[veteran72]

The courts and the CPS know what the right way is.

Believe the child, The parents are liars when they deny child abuse.

Only the government can be trusted in these matters.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by bhoogren at 05:14 PM : May 31, 2008
+ report abuse

Kind of difficult for them to deny when a 16 year old girl has 3 children, don''t you think???
She would have likely been raped at the age of twelve or so, using simple mathematics......

[kamsack50]

The returned children should be required to strap video cameras to their chests and switch them on whenever they are approached by their parents. At the end of each month, they must show and explain the content of the videos to a panel of three feminists at the court.
We the public will pay the costs.

[merlgrey]

What did you expect? Bush has wlaked all over the Constitution for 8 yars and now you''''re just strating to complain?O''I know why, it wasn''''t affecting your kind until now....Posted by FloydZeppl

hah- hope youre joking about my kind. furthest thing from a morman or flds... more interested in abuse of civil liberties here.

believe me i have been complaining about the last 8 yrs as well as before then. things have magnified quickly since 9-11 but civil rights and liberties have been slowly eroding over a long time... long before even nixon who was a disaster in this regard... its not likely the establishment of either the repubs or the dems is likely to start giving up thier power and control over society (weve obviously fallen for it), and its all whitewashed in ''what we can do for you'' while pilferring your paychecks.