May 29, 2008

Gay Marriage Advances In Calif., New York

California Sets June 17 As Date For First Weddings; New York To Recognize Gay Marriages

  • In this May 15, 2008, file photo, Sharon Papo, left, and her partner Amber Weiss fill out paperwork as they apply for an appointment for a marriage license at the county clerks office at City Hall in San Francisco.

    In this May 15, 2008, file photo, Sharon Papo, left, and her partner Amber Weiss fill out paperwork as they apply for an appointment for a marriage license at the county clerks office at City Hall in San Francisco.  (AP Photo/Tony Avelar)

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(CBS/AP)  Barring a stay of a historic California Supreme Court ruling, gay couples will be able to wed in the state beginning June 17, according to a state directive issued Wednesday, and those nuptials may soon be fully recognized in New York.

California said it chose June 17 because the court has until the day before to decide whether to grant a stay of its May 15 ruling legalizing gay marriage.

Gay-rights advocates and some clerks initially thought couples would be able to wed as early as Saturday, June 14. The court's decisions typically take effect 30 days after they are made.

The guidelines from Mark Horton, director of the California Department of Public Health, to the state's 58 county clerks also contained copies of new marriage forms that include lines for "Party A" and "Party B" instead of bride and groom. The gender-neutral wording was developed in consultation with county clerks, according to the letter.

"Effective June 17, 2008, only the enclosed new forms may be issued for the issuance of marriage licenses in California," the directive reads.

A group opposed to gay marriage has asked the court to stay its decision until after the November election, when voters are likely to face a ballot initiative that would change the constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Passage of the initiative would overrule the Supreme Court.

Under the Supreme Court's regular rules of procedure, justices have until the end of the day June 16 to rule on the stay request, according to the memo sent by e-mail to county clerks. Lawyers involved in the marriage case have said previously the court could grant itself an extra 60 days to consider the stay.

Meanwhile, following a memo sent to state agencies by the counsel to Gov. David Paterson, New York state will recognize gay marriages performed in other states and countries where the unions are legal, the governor's spokeswoman said Wednesday.

The directive orders state agencies, including those governing insurance and health care, to immediately recognize same-sex marriages legally performed elsewhere as valid in New York.

For years, gay rights advocates have sought recognition for gay marriages so couples could share family health care plans, receive tax breaks by filing jointly, enjoy stronger adoption rights and inherit property.

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We have speculated in the past there would be some time in the future when a majority would support same-sex marriage. Well, the lines have crossed.

Mark DiCamillo, Field Poll director
Many or all of these rights would now appear to be available to New Yorkers who legally wed same-sex partners out of state, according to the memo. Agencies have until June 30 to report back to the governor's counsel on how, specifically, the directive will change existing state benefits and services for gay couples.

A poll released Wednesday found that for the first time, about half of California voters support same-sex marriage.

The Field Poll found that 51 percent of respondents backed legalizing same-sex marriage and 42 percent opposed it. A 2006 poll found that 44 percent supported same-sex marriage and 50 percent objected; in 1977, the first year Field posted the question to California voters, only 28 percent were in favor.

"I would say this is a historic turning point or milestone," poll director Mark DiCamillo said. "We have speculated in the past there would be some time in the future when a majority would support same-sex marriage. Well, the lines have crossed."

The survey of 1,052 registered voters was conducted over the phone from May 17 to May 26 and had a sampling error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

The poll's findings conflict with a Los Angeles Times/KTLA poll of 705 voters released last week that found 54 percent backed the proposed gay marriage ban and 35 percent opposed it.

Andrew Pugno, legal adviser for the coalition of religious and social conservative groups sponsoring the measure, said the Times poll is more consistent with his group's internal polling.

"We could acknowledge there has been increasing acceptance of the idea of gay relationships over the last 10 or 20 years, but we think when it comes to marriage there is still a solid majority who want to see it reserved for a man and a woman, and that is all this initiative is about," Pugno said.

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by honestabe8 June 1, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
BlackYowe: A culture WAR? Could you be any more dramatic. Lots of these discussions seem to focus on the idea that orientation is chosen. I know you say there is no such thing as orientation, but I guess we disagree. I am straight, and even the most homely woman is still head and shoulders over any hollyweird-hunky-guy.
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by blackyowe May 31, 2008 7:41 AM EDT
Gov. Patterson seems to want to commit political suicide. I am a liberal, Western New Yorker but I draw the line at civil unions to protect the rights of same *** couples. I will NEVER except same S*E*X marriage. The will of a few should not change the course of thousands of years of history. This is culture WAR!
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by May 30, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
To the person here that said "it''s almost Islamic" when someone mentioned that same *** couples would be better off showing PDA indoor and not in public, for many reasons, one important one of which is that we don''t have to answer our kids when they ask why are two women or two men kissing? When most of us are trying to raise our kids on the values and traditions of mankind since its creation!! What I am saying is, I am a Muslim, and yes we show PDA when it''s between friends, family, or spouses aka man and woman, there''s nothing in Islam that says we can''t do this in public, but it says no to PDA of ***, like all the other religions, Christianity and Jewdism. Thank you, I had to correct you on Islamic ways.
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by hippychicky-2009 May 30, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
flygirl2371 - "But we should draw the line at public display of perversion, and gay "marriage" which is part of the titillation process for these degenerates is very public."

Ok I agree with that..I hate to see straight people showing PDA, disgusting. They need to get back inside..
Tell me that reasoning is logical...we live in a free nation. To each his own.
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by hippychicky-2009 May 30, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
HEY LISTEN UP!ALL YOU ****''''S NEED TO GET BACK IN YOUR CLOSETS WHERE YOUR DIRTY DOINGS WILL NOT INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF NORMAL AMERICANS.

Posted by nutsie11

Wow, I didn''t know right wing redneck breeders had computers. Thats amazing, dude I feel sorry for you and how dumb you are.
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by wulfen1 May 30, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
(cont.)

flygirl2371 - "But we should draw the line at public display of perversion, and gay "marriage" which is part of the titillation process for these degenerates is very public."

This sounds almost Islamic. Why should anyone decide who gets to show public affection and who doesn''t? As long as it''s between two consenting adults, it''s no one''s business but their own.

flygirl2371 - "There of course cannot be true "marriage" for gay freaks, since they are highly promiscuous and only play at the hetero actions in order to get a thrill. They like to play dress-up, and "marriage" is the ultimate dress-up game for these pervs."

Ah, the everpresent stereotype that all gay''s are promiscuous and drag queens. If you actually knew a few, you''d know that they are no more promiscuous than straight people. Don''t buy into the Hollywood image of the clubbing, bar-hopping, flaming homosexual.
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by wulfen1 May 30, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
flygirl2371 - "Gay marriage certainly infringes on the rights of others."

How?

flygirl2371 - "It is an offensive, disgusting behavior like smearing feces all over your face and going out in public. That is illegal. It is illegal because it is so offensive it threatens public order."

Offensive and disgusting are subjective terms. I think organized religions are offensive and disgusting because they promote self-loathing and intolerance of anyone who is different or believes differently, but I don''t think thy should be outlawed.

flygirl2371 - "But gay "marriage" is a like a loud curse word being shouted in public... and even children are forced to hear about it. What happens when a five-year-old sees two perverts kissing in public? It isdisgusting, filthy, unclean, and harmful to the children just like profanity or curse words or other disgusting things."

And yet, those things are not illegal, or more to the point, they are not only legal for certain people. If your child sees two men kissing, explain to them that they love each other and that''s what people who are in love with each other do. The same as if it were a man and a woman kissing in public.

(cont.)
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by honestabe8 May 30, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
flygirl: how is smearing feces all over your face and going out in public illegal? under what statute? it seems to me that the concept of original sin is way more vile than two adults of the same *** wanting to do each other.
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by flygirl2371 May 30, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
Hmmmmm SharnCedar - I think thou protesteth too much... Worried about your own sexuality?

Posted by SharnCedar at 10:43 PM : May 29, 2008

Gay marriage certainly infringes on the rights of others. It is an offensive, disgusting behavior like smearing feces all over your face and going out in public. That is illegal. It is illegal because it is so offensive it threatens public order. People corn-holing each other is equally offensive, or rimming each other (gag), but if they don''''t do it in public, its not a crime since it is not harmful to anyone. But gay "marriage" is a like a loud curse word being shouted in public; it is a public proclamation of Obama-like behavior of a disgusting nature, and even children are forced to hear about it. What happens when a five-year-old sees two perverts kissing in public? It isdisgusting, filthy, unclean, and harmful to the children just like profanity or curse words or other disgusting things.

Of course, some people enjoy such perversions, and the more degenerate and filthy the more they are titillated. But we should draw the line at public display of perversion, and gay "marriage" which is part of the titillation process for these degenerates is very public. There of course cannot be true "marriage" for gay freaks, since they are highly promiscuous and only play at the hetero actions in order to get a thrill. They like to play dress-up, and "marriage" is the ultimate dress-up game for these pervs.

Stay in the closet, please.
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by pepperwood2 May 30, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
Gay Marriage Advances In Calif., New York

This State & Country have certainly some QUEER ideas?

Next thing is that these States will be working on generating $5.00 gallon gasoline, heating oil, to pay for the bitter divorces, special schools, & their childrens support. Not so QUEER afterall.
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by honestabe8 May 30, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
"Goodnight all, may the truth,love and righteousness of God the father sweep ,cleanse,and renew this land."
Posted by jankebenz

TRANSLATION: "May the celestial hit man whack all the people who don''t beg him for forgiveness"




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by michellem99-2009 May 30, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
I am an Aunt to white/black kin. I am white and so is Debby. She marrird a black man. They have 2 children, The children''d father broke their marriage up. I have seen black/white women and men married. THEY ARE MAN AND WIFE. MIND AND BODY. Jarrett is to grad this June and I am so proud of him. I am 53.
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by michellem99-2009 May 30, 2008 8:08 AM EDT
Gaye5 thank ye. My Mum told me the same as ye. Nasty. America has a law on her books it called a hate crime. I am appalled that this nation has lowered her valves. Mum never talked about as she called it THE BIRDS AND THE BEES, SEXAUL MATTERS. However same gender love making is taboo. It has nothing to do with churuh.
I have met homos. A child of 12 could not handle it. He told us my male frind and I thathe could not have friends over, That poor child. He told us he is trying to live with his Dad. We moved and that was years ago. Children can''t hsndle it and it is unfair to them. Gaye if God Allmighty wanted one gendar he would have done so. He did not. I don''t need to look up what they do as years ago in the 70s they had THE JOY OF SEXX and it touched on what they do. I was taught not in my family as Mum said it is nasty. I know they do in public hold hands and more. I can''t see it. I am appalled and yes I vote against it.
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by gaye5 May 30, 2008 6:58 AM EDT
The life of our laws are logic and centuries of experience, and now we are throwing all this experience away for s''e''x.. We are not even considering the future of our children. There are thousands of homosexuals coming out of homosexuality and leading normal lives but the media wont print it..

Try looking up the disease of homosexuals, and what they do and you will be appalled you cant tell me that licking around the ??? is ok and that is why they get feces in the mouth.. along with sexually transmitted diseases including cancer in the mouth.
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by fibonacci_gr May 30, 2008 6:31 AM EDT
Bunch of Lord-believers here! Pathetic!
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by michellem99-2009 May 30, 2008 5:52 AM EDT
We have lost our freedoms and America is becoming less free. Thank bush as he is the reason. I trully hope God Allmighty is not a machine. We were talking to a vet and he said the draft is needed to be put back. Same gander marriage..Well..would somebody in the know..how are they addressed. Is it Mr. and Mr, for the men. Ms/Mrs. and Ms/Mrs for the ladies. Man and wife is Mr, and Mrs/Ms. Oh dear the poor fathers that put this natiom together wpuld be appalled.
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by michellem99-2009 May 30, 2008 5:31 AM EDT
I typed it. It an ASA using colloquis platform. I pitied it. What if God turned out to be an AI using that plamform and we meet him in furure . Anything could happen. The ASA is following its os and told its duties and how to greet and talk to us. Their blooy *I ''m sorry I didn''t get that.* So I said *Computer shut up*.Next I am talking to a live person. I don''t base my life on a book that is old and outed.
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by michellem99-2009 May 30, 2008 5:14 AM EDT
I am a New Englander/Maine born raised. They had witch hunts and many were killed for the dumb reasons..the blind,deaf,cripples,epilepsy,a mold. etc. It is true Ammrica does not have a national church. At the same time it is not and never has been a christian nation. I can in my room pray with out the fear so far of being shot. Many died due to religions and do. We have sep of church and state for a reason. Susan has a right to her say as we all. For one we can thanks to computer read the words. I told a machine LEARN. I
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by dmhphils May 30, 2008 5:00 AM EDT
Posted by jankebenz at 01:57 AM : May 30, 2008

Good night jankebenz.....blessings
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by jankebenz May 30, 2008 4:57 AM EDT
Goodnight all, may the truth,love and righteousness of God the father sweep ,cleanse,and renew this land.
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