Texas To Reunite 12 Kids With Sect Parents

Families Will Be Supervised While Court Considers Appeal Of A Ruling That The State Had No Right To Take The Children

(CBS/AP)  State child welfare authorities have agreed to reunite 12 children from a west Texas polygamist sect with their parents until the state Supreme Court rules on their custody case.

Teresa Kelly, a spokeswoman for the parents' lawyer, says Child Protective Services agreed on Friday to allow the parents to live with their children in the San Antonio area under state supervision.

Texas child welfare authorities asked the state Supreme Court Friday to block a stinging appellate court ruling that they had no right to round up more than 440 children from a polygamist sect's ranch.

Child Protective Services also asked the high court to allow it to keep the other children in foster-care facilities around the state while justices consider their appeal.

"This case is about adult men commanding sex from underage children; about women knowingly condoning and allowing sexual abuse of underage children; about the need for the department to take action under difficult, time-sensitive and unprecedented circumstances to protect children on an emergency basis," the state agency said in its appeal.

The filings Friday come one day after the Third Court of Appeals in Austin said the state failed to show the children were in any immediate danger when they were rounded up last month.

Some court-appointed attorneys for the children are in a holding pattern, reports CBS News correspondent Hari Sreenivasan. Susan Hayes, who represents a 2-year-old, says she is not worried about abuse if the child is returned.

"I have not seen anything about my client, and there are a lot of ad litems that have seen nothing about their particular clients and their families," she said.

On Thursday, the Third Court of Appeals in Austin ordered a lower-court judge to rescind her decision giving the state custody of more than 100 of the children. The appellate court said state law allows children to be taken without court order only when they are in immediate physical danger, and that only five children at the ranch have apparently been abused.

The ruling technically applies only to the 38 mothers who filed the complaint, but it was broad enough to cover nearly every child swept up in the April raid on the Eldorado ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

CPS said the appellate court overstepped in its ruling because the lower court had discretion in the custody case.

In the appeal, CPS cited as "documented" sexual abuse a statement from a girl who said she knew a 16-year-old who is married with a 5-month-old baby; and a statement from another girl that "Uncle Merrill" decides who and when she will marry. The state also cited five underage pregnant girls.

The agency also said it can't return 124 children to the mothers who filed the complaint against the state because the agency can't sort out which children belong to which parent.

State-ordered DNA test results are not expected back for at least another week, the agency said.

"The department is not in a position to properly identify the correct mothers or fathers at this time," CPS said in its appeal.

The agency accused parents of being uncooperative and not providing proper identification - though in dozens of individual custody hearings this week, parents provided state-issued birth certificates. Other sect members mistakenly believed to be minors also provided drivers' licenses as proof of their age.

The state conceded this week that at least 15 of the 31 mothers they held in foster care as minors were actually adults; one is 27.

FLDS spokesman Rod Parker said the CPS appeal was no surprise "although one would hope that at some point they would realize the futility."

The parents were prepared for extended legal wrangling, he said.

"They're hopeful to get on with their lives, but in reality, they understand," he said.

The FLDS, which teaches that polygamy brings glorification in heaven, denies allegations by child-welfare officials that church officials pressure girls into underage spiritual marriages with older men.

The Third Court of Appeals said the state acted hastily - especially with regard to the boys and younger girls who were removed. Half the youngsters taken from the ranch were 5 or younger.

"Even if one views the FLDS belief system as creating a danger of sexual abuse by grooming boys to be perpetrators of sexual abuse and raising girls to be victims of sexual abuse ... there is no evidence that this danger is 'immediate' or 'urgent,"' the court said.

"Evidence that children raised in this particular environment may someday have their physical health and safety threatened is not evidence that the danger is imminent enough to warrant invoking the extreme measure of immediate removal," the court said.

The children were taken into custody more than six weeks ago after someone called a hot line claiming to be a pregnant, abused teenage wife. The girl has not been found and authorities are investigating whether the calls were a hoax.

Five judges in San Angelo, about 40 miles north of Eldorado, had been holding hearings on what the parents must do to regain custody when the appellate decision was issued. Those hearings were suspended after the ruling Thursday.

The youngsters are in foster homes all over the sprawling state, with some brothers or sisters separated by as much as 600 miles.

[fibonacci_gr]

Religion washes the brain clean of critical thinking skills.

[rowdywicca]

The court said the state failed to show that any more than five of the teenage girls were being sexually abused, and offered no evidence of sexual or physical abuse against the other children. Half the youngsters taken from the ranch were 5 or younger. Only a few dozen are teenage girls."

Isn''t five enough? What the hell? You just gonna leave the others out there to go through the same *** thing?

[libh8er]

Wonder if these women''s choice of fashion and hair style will spark a trend? Can you see it....the J.C. Penney 1886 Collection! :)

[tootall10142]

BREEDERS? leave them alone what the hell will texas do for excitement? Bush is coming home but then does he realy have a home ? country? thats questionable.i bet his secret service detail is nervous as jim bakers cellmate was.

[homespunlady]

Yep it''s SMALL MINDED perverts like DaVicr2 and Dragonwagon5 that get the CPS IDIOTS to act like NAZI STORMTROOPERS!

-those SAME type of people are the ones that are HAILING the "international" BABY SELLING RINGS that those countries are now SHUTTING DOWN and the "tattled on" by the victims "foster care" CORPORATE BOYS AND GIRLS RANCHES that flew kids around to "service" ELITE PERVERTS as WONDERFUL!!

Well the other nations have SHUT down the BABY SELLING RINGS so now I guess the "disqualified" BABY HUNTERS just HAD to find a NEW SOURCE OF SUPPLY for their "PERFECT ONLY" fashion baby "ACCESSORY" and TALK SHOW MONEYMAKER!

Ironically, I would these INTOLERANT NARROW MINDS also claim to be "liberal" and WOULD NOT HESITATE to BLANKET DEFEND the G@Y MARRIAGE COUPLES because THAT would NOT be "SEXUAL ENDANGERMENT"!

Heck my "small Midwestern town" is about the size of that group and about as many kids.
There are SO MANY UNDERAGE GIRLS getting pregnant, having ABORTIONS and DROPPING BABIES (down to age 11 from the rumors I hear) that the PUBLIC SCHOOL system had to open a DAYCARE CENTER for them!

The other day, the word went out to the kids that the SCHOOL would offer FREE antibiotic shots because they want to keep the STD BREAKOUT quiet!

[homespunlady]

How about BANNING some of the GRAPHIC AND EXPLICIT TV and VIDEO PROGRAMMING (ALSO KNOWN AS social INDOCTRINATION for the NEW American "way of life") as ENDANGERING the CHILDREN if you REALLY ARE "CONCERNED" for the welfare of the kids in this nation? That WOULD be something I might agree with.

[homespunlady]

The SAME TIME you ACCUSE someone ELSE of RAPE ROOMS and INITIATION BEDS that WERE PROVEN LIES.

How''s that 33 YEAR OLD "TEEN wife" IN colorado THAT started all this?

[homespunlady]

Yep, unfortunately it sucks to be in most of America too now - unless you are delusional or part of the UPPER 1 percent and ABOVE the widening WEALTH GAP.

[lordmi]

Horror

[homespunlady]

Compared to MOST small towns the only ABNORMAL thing was there were SO FEW. And that''s not including all the OTHER things like ILLEGAL DRUG EXPOSURE, OBESITY, POISON JUNK FOOD, GRAND THEFT AUTO and that ILK, RAP MUSIC that glorifies MISOGYNY and VIOLENCE, INTRUSIVE cameras EVERYWHERE from the stop light to the GIRL''S bathroom in Public SCHOOLS, STDs, etc.

[ccdsswrkr08]

homespunlady

wow, I think a little introspection should be considered in your case. Do you hear voices? Are they telling you to harm yourself or others?

[truthalways]

Texas Police Chief Accused of *** With Underage Girl

This was one of the news'' title on Fox News today...

From a small town..how ironical!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357381,00.html


May be the state of texas need to check his officials first before attacking the FLDS!

[beehive21-2009]

The State of Texas walks all over the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Civil Rights,the appeals court agrees,as would the Forefathers,and we the people are not happy with Texas.The World watched the Circus in Texas and wondered is that Democracy ? The federal Government should issue Warrants for the Sheriff, DA, an Judge for violating the civil rights,of fellow Americans, show the World that Democracy still exists.

[truthalways]

!!!!TEXAS CHIEF POLICE ACCUSE OF S E X WITH AN UNDERAGE GIRL!!!!

This was one of the news'''' title on Fox News today...

From a small town..how ironical!!! what hypocrisy for the officials of Texas..,

http://www.foxnews.com/st
ory/0,2933,357381,00.html


May be the state of texas need to check his officials first before attacking the FLDS!


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[dragon8me]

You really need to do some investigative reporting on the Texas CPS system. There are hundreds of thousands of children in the system. Here in Brown County there are at least 50,000 kids in the system, acording to a sister of a case worker. The largest town only has 36,000 people, at least thats what the population sign says. In my brother''s case they have not proven any danger to the kids, in fact, just the reverse, but they refuse to give the kids back and are doing every thing they can to keep my mother from getting them. When the case worker comes she leaves her kids in her car with the motor running, That''s child endangerment but as a case worker nothing will be done. If you want to open a can of worms, this is the place to dig. Let the world know the truth.

[infe5]

I am going to make a prediction that this will go down in US history as one of the greatest law enforcment blunders. Even though it is high-visibility news now, it will be referenced as a landmark event in the future. Here''s why:

Texas law enforcement officials acting under umbrella authority given them by Child Protective Services has detained legal adults (claiming they were children even after documentation was provided) without cause. Some of these adult women have given birth while in detention, and their newborn babies have been illegally removed from their custody and placed under state/foster custody (though the mother is still allowed to ''physically'' care for the baby). There have still been no charges filed regarding sexual abuse of children. The evidence to justify a raid of this scale, which removed HUNDREDS of children from their parents, was essentially nothing but un-verified rumor. The state of Texas displayed a gross misuse of authority here, and the impending fallout from this will be HUGE.

That being said, if sexual abuse against children is proven to have occured, those responsible for the abuse should be punished according to law. However, as another person has mentioned, sexual abuse and underage s e x is very prevalent in other US communities, yet these communities as a whole are not raided by law enforcement.

[homespunlady]

Posted by ccdsswrkr08 at 11:12 AM : May 23, 2008

The answer is NO but I do sense from your NASTY INSINUATIONS that YOU REALLY get off on USING S&M games on anybody you MIGHT have ANY POWER OVER.

Get some help with YOUR problems.

[lochlan-2009]

Every justice system employee involved in this should be fired and banned from practicing. The government, these last several years, have been the criminals, violating the CONSTITUTION!!!!

[lorinkundert]

There is nothing unclear about anything, the state had NO authority to take those children, hence the children go home. simple huh?

[ccdsswrkr08]

homespunlady

Thank you for your clearly well educated assesment of me considering you read a few words and made a huge assumption about who I am.

Wait a minute! Isn''t that what you''re saying Texas CPS did? Shame shame.

[markcfl1]

Apparently, the only men being charged with child abuse in Texas are law enforcement. Maybe someone in CPS just fouled up the FLDS paperwork.

"A Starr County grand jury has indicted the police chief of the small South Texas town of La Grulla on a charge of soliciting *** from a minor"

[tibu987]

The children should be reunited with their parents as soon as possible.

If there were any serious infractions against U.S. or state law the guilty parties should be tried for those. It is apparent that the mothers and their children are not guilty of anything and should not be treated like criminals.

Give them their children back now and let them live in peace the way they want to.

[barbaraf4]

The children should be returned to their homes immediately! Get them home in time for supper tonight, unless the state has already put them up for adoption. If so, then get them home by lunchtime!

I hope they aren''t lost in the foster system. Remember those children in Florida who were never seen again?

[robstrck]

Remember those children in Florida who were never seen again?

Posted by barbaraf4

**********

I don''t remember any story about children disappearing in Florida. Could you give a little information so that I can read up on that?

[cpaide]

"Thank you for your clearly well educated assesment (sic) of me considering you read a few words and made a huge assumption about who I am.
Wait a minute! Isn''t that what you''re saying Texas CPS did? Shame shame."
Posted by ccdsswrkr08

an assessment of you is trivial, as you have been posting malicious drivel for here for some weeks now.

you are (besides being a certifiable dumb-@ss and WRONG in your allegations and opinions) one of the lesbian social workers and a member of the KLK.

"Krazy Lesbians Kult (KLK):
A lesbian sect generally considered to be Extremist or False, with it''s followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of one or more Authoritarian, Charismatic leaders. Obsessive, especially faddish devotion to or veneration for a person, principle or thing."

[cpaide]

i recommend the following book for more information on the filthy violent nature of the KLK (krazy lesbians kult) which is still trying to obtain control of the mormon children:

No More Secrets : Violence in Lesbian Relationships
http://www.amazon.com/No-
More-Secrets-Violence-Relationships/dp/0
415929466/
"This study of abuse in lesbian relationships looks you in the eye and dares you to turn away. Far from being a prurient study of a fringe group of violent lesbians, this book demands that the queer community at large--afraid of straight disdain --recognize its accountability. No More Secrets illustrates that despite what many lesbian feminists believe, acts of violence are not committed solely by men."

[cpaide]

"wow, I think a little introspection should be considered in your case. Do you hear voices? Are they telling you to harm yourself or others?"
Posted by ccdsswrkr08

It appears that you and several other people are being mind-managed by the KLK (krazy lesbians kult), which conspired to provide a false police report that resulted in the raid on the Texas Mormons.

The objective of the KLK (whose members include the Texas social workers and judge on the case) is to obtain the humble, white Mormon children and adopt them out to infertile lesbian couples, and that is happening right now, even with the latest court ruling.

Once these kids are in the hands of the KLK, they''re told there is no such thing as too early for ***. Whenever the head lesbian tells them to go ''marry'' an old lesbian, that''s who they''re given to. They''re groomed to be pedophile fodder. Information presented shows that they''re given to be concubines (not wives - lesbians can''t have wives) at puberty or before, and have un-natural $ex while still children themselves.

[cpaide]

"Religion washes the brain clean of critical thinking skills."
Posted by fibonacci_gr

is that a confession? apparently doesn''t help critical writing skills, either ;^)

[robstrck]

CBS hasn''t reported it yet, but Texas is appealing the ruling. They aren''t going to give those kids up without a fight. They don''t care about those children. They are just going to keep fighting instead of admitting a mistake.

[cpaide]

"Stick them in a room with a 60 year old religous nut to be raped once or twice a week so they don''t get home sick."
Posted by dragonwagon5

sounds like you are volunteering or at least have that fantasy. you are a sick and twisted individual. i hope you are isolated from any children, but you are probably a texas social worker or something. maybe a member of the KLK?

[cpaide]

"So there were no teen mothers? No polygamy? Everything was normal at the rape ranch?"
Posted by dragonwagon5

look who''s playing "morality police": a twisted, perverted freak who thinks his left hand is his "wife".

go back to your basement and do whatever it is you do to relieve your tensions, perv.

[cpaide]

The appellate court''s decision states: "there was no evidence regarding the marital status of these girls when they became pregnant or the circumstances under which they became pregnant other than the general allegation" that the sect "condoned underage marriage and ***."

CPS presented no evidence that sect boys or the group''s girls who have not reached puberty were victims of sexual or physical abuse, or likely to be, the judges said.

They also said removing hundreds of children under such circumstances is an "extreme measure" and that CPS didn''t make a reasonable effort "to ascertain if some measure short of removal and/or separation from parents would have eliminated the risk the Department perceived with respect to any of the children."

They said the 51st District Court in San Angelo %u2014 presided over by Judge Barbara Walther %u2014 "abused its discretion in failing to return the children" to their mothers after CPS put on such an insufficient amount of evidence before her last month.

[steeepe]

Sect or cult, that''s the question. I wish I had a potato chip with a good image of the virgin Mary so I could make a fortune.... Americans are so gullible, it''s sad. And the poor kids who are brainwashed with weird beliefs will have a weird future. That''s what happens when rabid superstition trumps rationality.

[fibonacci_gr]

Brainwashed with fairy tales - 99% of these kids will grow up just to be like mommy and daddy. Mormonism is a particularly weird religion. They believe Native Americans originally came from Israel...hmmm. DNA test anyone? Oh yea, they select what science they believe.

[libh8er]

Stop talking about these children as though they have some kind of super-endowed rights, because they DONT!
Posted by DaVicar2 at 01:15 PM : May 23, 2008

To libs, they do! To a lib, a kid has more rights than the parent. Libs (and McCain) want to give terrorists Geneva Convention rights and rights to trials by jury. Don''t underestimate them.

[rushlimpdrug]

"Child Protective Services notified the
Texas Supreme Court on Friday that
"they will file something today," "


Cause they have nothing better to do.

This proves they are a worthless bunch
with NO direction.

Perhaps they will file their nails today?

[fibonacci_gr]

Huh?!

[fibonacci_gr]

ja ja liddle rewijous bwains.

[cpaide]

"That''s what happens when rabid superstition trumps rationality."
Posted by steeepe

agreed. these social workers had irrational, superstitious beliefs about the texas mormans (much like some who post here) that are simply not true and look what happened: children (infants included) separated from their mothers for no good reason.

[rudy654-2009]

To libs, they do! To a lib, a kid has more rights than the parent. Libs (and McCain) want to give terrorists Geneva Convention rights and rights to trials by jury. Don''''t underestimate them.




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Posted by LibH8er at 01:29 PM

I think people like you spend too much time stereotyping and trying to place everyone in nice little neat boxes because your brains are incapable of understanding the complexities out there. Give it a rest, that wee brain of yours.

[cpaide]

"Explain again how you use your feet?"
Posted by dragonwagon5

i told you yesterday that you can just google "foot fetish" and a video of you (dragonwagon5) will come up with you masturbating with your feet.

your are a disturbed individual and need help, but i can''t give it to you. sorry.

[cpaide]

"I think people like you spend too much time stereotyping and trying to place everyone in nice little neat boxes because your brains are incapable of understanding the complexities out there. Give it a rest, that wee brain of yours."
Posted by rudy654

take your own advice, rudy. you''ve done the same thing with these texas mormans. give your tiny brain a rest. even better: get a day job, even if it''s just collecting cans or bottles. should be plenty of those near the spot on the floor where you passed out last night after mentally masturbating on this discussion board.

[apprxam]

Unless the courts can prove that the "fraudulent" call was caused by Child Protective Services, incidental discovery should hold up and erring on the side of caution is in order.

Something is happening to these children and the parents has been more than obstructive regarding the nature of familial relations; they can''t even find out who the mothers are because the children, while secluded, don''t even know. The communal aspect of continuing abuse should supercede the private, nuclear family argument because the culture and religious doctrine is understood by the state and known to be dangerous to the children, the authories have more than probable cause.

[cpaide]

Posted by rudy654
Posted by dragonwagon5
Posted by fibonacci_gr

It appears that you and several other people are being mind-managed by the KLK (krazy lesbians kult), which conspired to provide a false police report that resulted in the raid on the Texas Mormons.

The objective of the KLK (whose members include the Texas social workers and judge on the case) is to obtain the humble, white Mormon children and adopt them out to infertile lesbian couples, and that is happening right now, in spite of the appelate court ruling.

Once these kids are in the hands of the KLK, they''re told there is no such thing as too early for ***. Whenever the head lesbian tells them to go ''marry'' an old lesbian, that''s who they''re given to. They''re groomed to be pedophile fodder. Information presented shows that they''re given to be concubines (not wives - lesbians can''t have wives) at puberty or before, and have un-natural $ex while still children themselves.

[rudy654-2009]

CPS only made this worse. Had they been methodic and precise, then if there was anything at all they could have gotten any individuals that may be guilty. But instead they decided to make this an action of persecution instead of prosecution and attack the group based on beliefs, or perceived beliefs. Now these people will carry a martyr complex and actually attrack many to them as they gain sympathy especially in view of the lack of evidence and the overreaching authority of CPS and law enforcement.

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by cpaide at 01:47 PM

Congratulations on being an idiot of the first degree. I have actually been defending these people''s constitutional rights to due process and you are literally pizzing in the wind.

[cpaide]

Posted by ApprxAm

quit pretending to be an attorney. even a bad one knows that texas will be paying out $100+ MILLION on this one. all because of social workers and attorneys who "think" like you do.

[cpaide]

"I have actually been defending these people''s constitutional rights to due process and you are literally pizzing in the wind."
Posted by rudy654

oh, rudy, i''m sorry. you''re such a martyr. let me make a little shrine and worship a little statue of you defending the morman''s constitutional rights.

and then stuff that little statue up yer butt! ;^)

[Syndicate]

I will be glad when Texas decides to remove children from Christian house holds do to mental abuse.

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by cpaide at 01:52 PM

Quite the wee bastaard, arent ya!